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Hismasterpiece:
Lol.. you atheists try very hard to stand out. You don't want to appear like others. You say atheism is a 'lack of belief' but that is not the historical definition of atheism.

Wikipedia defines atheism as, 'Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities'

But it could also be restated as, ' Atheism, in the broadest sense, is a BELIEF in the nonexistence of deities'

Absence of belief is the same as belief.

Just like when your TV is off you are also watching a DSTV channel right? LoL. The absence of a thing can not also be the thing, c'mon that should be simple enough to understand.

Bishopkingsley:
I see... Don't worry I will try my best to give you scientific evidence

Better be scientific evidence not arguments and attempts to logic god into existence.

alphaNomega:
I wonder what I takes for him to realise there is no god and all the Bible stories are things you should not take serious in life.

Deep introspection and a willingness to not be bound by bad ideas. Let us hope.

Bishopkingsley:
To prove gravity exists, the effects are seen. Similarly, God's effect on and in the world can be seen.
The things God created proved his existence the earth the universe

Let look at this story


A parable says that a king asked a rabbi for proof of God. When the king was gone, the rabbi wrote a lovely poem on a paper and left. When the king returned, he asked the rabbi about the beautiful poem.
The rabbi denied writing it. The king was furious saying the ink was not even dry and no one else was in the room. The rabbi said, it’s the same with the world. It’s not possible that it simply invented itself or came into existence without God.

I hope this is not the evidence you are presenting for your god.

ogawisdom:
Only God can love unconditionally

According to the Bible the god's love is conditional or else why would he need to forgive you your sins.

Bishopkingsley:
I will once I gather my facts and eat

Take your time, I will wait for you.

Bishopkingsley:
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Number one If I provide that evidence will you accept he exist



Number two
you did not even read that thin I said I said...

Now if there is a God and you are on the wrong side of things

What exactly do you want him God to do for you to believe him

That is what I want him to do, provide unequivocal evidence that he exists. If he can do I will accept that he exists.

Bishopkingsley:
Did you even read the post about true God

Yes. Your own understanding of mythology is not the same as theirs. It's like a DC Comics fan saying Superman is more supreme than Captain Marvel because Superman has eye lasers and Captain Marvel doesn't. Your lack of understanding of their mythos means you are interpreting it with your own understanding of your mythos.

Bishopkingsley:
Two sides of the same coin
If we study everything the Bible has to say about divine sovereignty and human free will, we’ll find that (in a way we can’t fully explain with human words) both are completely valid ideas.

Is God completely in charge of everything? Yes. “For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).
Do people have to answer for their choices and actions? Absolutely. “For whatever one sows, that will he also reap” (Galatians 6:7, ESV).
So to be faithful to the testimony of Scripture, we have to acknowledge both sides of the coin. On the one hand, God is absolutely sovereign. On the other hand, human beings have free will and are fully responsible for their own actions.

Consider it this way: We owe everything to God’s grace. It’s literally by His favor and mercy that we are what we are (1 Corinthians 15:10). But that doesn’t mean we’re off the hook and can do whatever we want. The choices we make, the words we speak, the things we do … Our actions have eternal implications.

How can God’s sovereignty and human free will be true at the same time?

We don’t know how to explain the difference and the common factor
But God does. And we can trust that He’ll explain it to us when we see Him face to face.

Or we can trust he is completely using the perfect system to rule us

You just have to understand he is the best God and his ways of handling us is good and fair

This is a false dichotomy. The opposite of sovereignty is not freewill. And you don't seem to understand my objection. You said freewill cannot be controlled and therefore we should give it up to the god but if you say I am freely controlling my will then I cannot also not be controlling it at the same time. It's like saying that someone was freely controlling a car and not freely controlling the car at the same time.

Bishopkingsley:
I once spoke about using scientific evidence to explain God to Workch we can expand on that theory so I can show you the evidence you want

Go ahead, I am all eyes.

Bishopkingsley:
Let assume you are correct

But since there are two side to everything let look at the other side

I hope you permit the other side truth

Now if there is a God and you are on the wrong side of things

What exactly do you want him to do for you to believe him

Provide unequivocal evidence that he exists.

Image123:
A project that yields uncountable billions of harvest spoilt, lol, you have jokes.

It was you that said all have sinned, abi sinned doesn't mean spoilt again? If it doesn't then why do you need a salvation or harvest, why not take everything.

Image123:
You are asking to nail and null God and belief in God, yes or yes? So, let's put in all the proper adjoinings and perspectives na.

i subscribe to your 1st definition na. That's the main definition of witch and wizard that we know and in context with religion section. Which one is my own definition, if they accuse your family members of witchcraft, se you will be asking for definition or talking about sneaking definition?

No I am nailing your logic.

The meaning I showed has nothing to do with evilnor with religion. You should have given your own religious definition. If they accuse my family of witchcraft I would have the same attitude, witchcraft with supernatural powers doesn't exist.

Image123:
You conveniently forget that it is not sustained by logic but by reality. Why do you eternally attempt to nail a fictional god without the faintest attempt to nail a fictional Adam? Quite funny.

Adam is not real neither is your god so I don't know what reality you refer to. These question we are discussing are merely academic except that you believe in them.

Bishopkingsley:
A god that specializes in only one area like the hindu gods is not a real God

My God specializes in all areas he is self sufficient

Bwahahahahaha! The category Real can only apply to that which has evidence for its existence, not mythological beings.

Bishopkingsley:
I don't know how to explain this things to you but let me break it down to see if you get me.

Now freewill is in the heart now every one or at least many people want to be a good person

But they see their hearts wanting to be selfish to be greedy, to want to even defraud, to want to aspire more than the other person, to want to get more wealth, to want to receive money by any means possible, I can go on on what the freewill wants to do etc

Many people in the position to get this things can easily fall for them because their freewill wants it

Some want to do the word of God but they see themselves fornicating, smoking, abusing people, hating people etc

This is why the freewill is powerful thing it just wants to please itself

God wants you to put freewill in check to put it under God and under yourself

Actually God wants you to give it to him because you can not control it no human can

Giving your life to Jesus means giving him your freewill to control because we can't control it it just like the tongue it hard to control only God can

You didn't answer the objection. How can FREE will be uncontrollable? Or are you using a different meaning of FREE. To my understanding freewill means you are freely choosing, you can't be freely choosing if you are not controlling it so it can't be free and uncontrollable at the same time.

southniyikaye:
So many times, I get confused about everything..
One time you are making progress, living life, happy and just in a flash, everything is gone..
Not that you live a wayward life or you are not careful but you just find yourself in square one and you begin to wonder what happened..
People kill each other to survive, it is survival of the fittest and those who have dirty and soiled hand who are untop of the food chain tends to live longer than the innocent ones..
The squid game. After watching that film, then I relate it to how the world is right now and I see no difference.
Apart from the heaven the hell fire and karma that sometimes delay maybe due to holdup or something, is all these level of atrocities just gonna slide?
The rich keep getting richer and the poor, poorer cos of situations of things...
Take Nigeria for example, it takes grace to climb the ladder of fortune unless you take shortcut..
To become human, you have to eat human.. (yoruba proverb)..
Can anyone really explain this world in a lay man's term?
Cos I see no difference between this world and squid Game, the correlation is almost 90%.

OAM4J
Lalasticlala
Mynd44

In this country right now, to keep a clean heart is almost like the proverbial donkey through a needle'S hole..
The poor man or average man worry about almost everything..
The equation now is, 10000-500=0...
If you have 10k at hand, by the time you spend 500 out of it, panic sets in cos in minutes, the whole money is gone expecially if you are a family man..
Alot of people die daily due to depression and frustration, na only the ones wey news carry una Sabi and right now, someone somewhere is contemplating suicide..

I dunno about squid game but the fact is this world does not match the mythological tales told by holy books. This universe we are in doesn't have the capacity to care, we the active agents within it are the ones who must shape things for our own good.

paxonel:
I make use of the King James version. Any translation that is not close to what King James offer is regarded as a postulate to me

You should look up how the translation came about. There is nothing about it that indicates it is error free.

Image123:
All have sinned, all are spoilt and need Jesus.

Then the project was spoilt. QED

Image123:
The sort you have been attempting to heap on God or His followers.

With the god concept it is necessary to point out the faulty logic within the concept. You guys present something and I use your presentation to show where the logic breaks down. It is you fellows who are invested in the mythos who can be cognitively dissonant about it, I have no investment in it so cannot be. It is baked into the meaning of cognitive dissonance.

Bishopkingsley:
My friend in their quest to be the first they claimed that there old manuscript was older than Judaism but we don't argue with them

As long as they confuse them self with over three hundred million gods they don't know what they actually worship

They aren't confused, just admit you don't understand their mythology.

Bishopkingsley:
You this there is a probability that freewill can change no freewill is constant what ever you will do is what you will end up doing

Because all creatures do what there heart tells them

If your body tells you it thirsty the next thing you start looking for water

If you refuse your going to hear pain before death comes so stop seeing freewill as some thing you can control

The heart of all creatures mostly man is desperately wicked

It is laid open before God

This sounds pretty incoherent, how can freewill be uncontrollable. What then was free about it?

Image123:
i think you find it fictional? i sincerely will not babysit an adult fool in his right mind. There are consequences for folly. Especially if i have uncountable billions of better adult children. Not forgetting the backdrop of knowledge that i would still get uncountable billions more sensible sons from his descendants.
Every sensible refining process on earth goes through this, you should barely have a problem with it especially as you claim it's fiction.

On the wizard, i already said many perceived wizardry and witchcraft as abominable. While you condone it and allow your daughter to go through it, billions of people cannot. Does that change your mindset, no. Turn it the other way, you and some others think God was so wicked to allow Adam disobey Him with freewill. He doesn't send your opinions. It's His zillionth son.

The question was what you personally would do, not what a fictional character would.

I asked you for a definition of wizard you refused, I brought one that has nothing to do with evil or abominable practices suddenly you now have a definition of wizard that suits your own narrative. You should have defined wizard instead of waiting to sneak in your own definition.

spartan117:
Stop talking like a fool. I'm a Christian and a programmer by profession, I use my brain to make money just like atheists in my profession do. God gave everyone five senses science is studied and understood by anyone who possesses those senses, it is not owned by anyone or by any religion.

It would also surprise you to note John D Rockefeller that the richest man to live in this modern era was a Christian.

To balance things up I would have to add that there is a spiritual aspect to wealth and riches. The billionaires know this, the politicians and celebrities also know this, whether they choose to tell you in public is left to them. But unfortunately I can't explain it to you because from what you posted here, it seems to be beyond your understanding.

Depends on what you mean by spiritual. If you mean supernatural providence then no there is nothing spiritual about it. If you mean a deeper understanding about the processes then sure there is spirituality but not any esoteric woowoo.

dreyboard:
I've been challenged several times about speaking in tongues. Some people are saying it's holy spirit that makes them speak in tongue while some said it's intentional..., Can someone please clarify this to me if it's just intentional or it's is holy spirit that truly makes them saying such

It is both natural and intentional, it requires no supernatural intervention to perform.

Greatn3ss:
For where... She'll just be looking at you, sometimes you'll even feel like slapping her

Expressing any sort of frustration will only make things worse. Better not to engage her if you can't deal, don't worsen the situation.

Greatn3ss:
Good day nairalanders

I have this little niece that is staying with us for the main time. she's 3 years, she can walk, she hears very well, she plays(though not too much), she mingles with other children in the neighborhood, she's somehow smart though stubborn atleast she goes errands well if she wants to, but the problem is she can't say something reasonable like "mama" "papa" "wee wee" "yes" etc. She can't even wave her hand to say bye bye or nod her head like to show gesture, rather she will just be staring at you. the only thing she does is say unreasonable things, sing song that nobody understands. She has been attending school for the past year but still no improvement.
The funny aspect is that she has a little sister who will be one very soon. that one still crawls but has started saying meaningful things while her elder sister will be mopping at her. please is there anything wrong with my niece, what do we do to help her?

That child may either be borderline autistic or has a learning disability. In any case what is needed in a patient and loving approach to continuing to teach her with montessori style techniques.

Hathor5:
Do you agree?

I am watching a series and in one of the episodes a couple goes to see a marriage counselor. She tells them that marriage is not about unconditional love but an agreement to show up the best we can. It is meant to challenge each spouse to bring out the best in them.

How useful is this kind of advice?

Unconditional love is a myth, it doesn't exist. All love is conditional albeit in some the conditions required to extinguish the love may be difficult to achieve.

I agree with the counsellor, all the agency required to make things work is vested in the people involved in a relationship. There is no relationship where things work automatically, you must put in the effort required for the success of the relationship. If you are not putting much effort into a relationship and it is succeeding then someone else is doing the bulk of the work.

Davash222:
What do women smell during pregnancy that makes their nose bigger? Any explanation why they got bigger noses during pregnancy?

Increased hormones leading to swelling everywhere. You'll notice their hands and feet also swell.

Interesting15:
This issue has been on my mind for a long time now, but I kept ignoring it. But after a much recent incident of a popular celebrity whose sex tape was leaked, and discovering someone I didn't expected talking about the video (obviously, she watched it out of curiosity), then I know I must write about it

It's heartbreaking to know that people who are against 'outright" pornography also find themselves watching leaked sex tapes, usually driven by Impulse, just to satisfy a funny curiosity that builds from inside of them, fanned by the noise that accompanies the release of such tapes.

There is something I want you to know. The devil is an evil creature who has been around for many years, hence is cunny and mischievous, and he knows how to trick people into dipping their hands into immoral stuff.

So, you might have decided to not watch pornography all your life, and indeed, you don't visit pornographic websites and the likes. But the devil knows that he can still use leaked sex tapes to make many folks watch and enjoy the unclothedness of others and gain pleasure from doing so. So even if you don't watch the usual porn, in case you don't know, by watching a leaked sex tape, you are already watching porn too, and you are also doing something wrong. Why? Because you are also going contrary to God's Will concerning sexual pleasure: Which is that all forms of sexual pleasure should be shared only between a married man and his wife in the safe confines of their marriage institution, WITH NO OTHER PARTY INVOLVED.

Why is the devil interested in ensuring that you do wrong things? Because he knows that when you are sinful, you ignorantly slip away from God's hedge of protection, and you end up being exposed to danger. And scripture already recorded what the devil does:
"The (devil) comes not but to steal, kill, and destroy" The evil devil plunders sinners mercilessly, ruin their lives, get them kill, and banish them into hell.

Please know that the effect the usual outright pornographic content has, is the same with when you watch a leaked sex tape (even if it's just for a few seconds). When you watch such content, you are actually accumulating lust in your soul - and it will soon burst out to compell you to start masturbating, full-time pornography, and illicit sexual affairs.

Hence, you have to be wise, and always ignore the noise that comes with leaked sex tapes. You must discipline yourself to tame the curiosity and impulse that wants to push you to view such things. It gets easier when you allow God to be in charge of your life, through an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ said:

"I have come that they might have life, and that they may have it more abundantly" John 10:10

You can always make peace with Jesus. Ask Him to have mercy on you, and give Him your life (you won't regret doing so)

https://www.sundayakanni.com/2021/10/the-impulse-to-watch-leaked-sex-tapes.html?m=1

Yet according to your beliefs your god watches porn day in day out. Isn't it hypocritical?

Image123:
i don't think i completely get the question with a "why". There's going to be an harvest though, Jesus said so.

Meaning not all humans are wanted, why if they are not spoilt?

Image123:
You constantly absolve Adam and man of blame na.

Absolve him of blame how? He is a fictional character so what blame do I need to assign to a fictional character?