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Explore2xmore:
Despite clearly showing why the sort of archaeological evidence you request doesn't exist? Maybe we should switch for a moment and you show the same for your view.

LoLz. Yes let's just hand wave away the evidence but produce none for our position then ask for evidence again. Dude I gave the evidence for my position, you gave NONE, by your own standard you forfeit the argument.

Explore2xmore:
Logically?

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a hanif, a Muslim (submitting to Allah), and he was not of the polytheists.(Qur’an 3:67)

Yes based on your own standard. You produced no evidence of any kind so I reject your assertion.

nlfpmod:
Michelle Obama was born on 17 January 1964 in Chicago, Illinois, United States.

Strive to be a Michelle Obama in all this madness.

Happy Birthday Queen#DemsUnited pic.twitter.com/rPcadwFmOE

— LanaQuest aka RosaSparks (@LqLana) January 17, 2026

Her husband, Barack Obama celebrates her:



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Explore2xmore:
Despite the lack of pre-571 texts, early monotheists, such as Idris/Enoch, are counted as Muslims because submission to God is what defines a Muslim, and the 170,000-year archaeological gap does not prove ungodliness.

Consider too that perishable materials (wood, paint, dance, song) were used in rituals. Few traces were left by tiny populations. Most sites and organic materials are lost after more than 100,000 years; only stone and bone in extraordinary circumstances survive.

Then I reject your categorising of any pre Mohammedean believers as Muslim. It's that simple.

Explore2xmore:
The 170,000-year archaeological gap merely indicates a lack of material religion, not a lack of faith in God, which need not leave physical remnants. It is by no means conclusive proof of ungodliness.

It is a resounding evidence of lack of belief in any gods as religion tends to leave behind evidence of practice which is why we have the burial sites. If they were believing in gods before that then we should have had evidence. You dismissal is inadequate especially as you provide nothing substantial to refute it except nah-uh.

Meanwhile I am yet to see you provide evidence that any believers in your god were Muslims before the advent of your prophet Mohammad. Can you show any text that calls them Muslims written before 571 CE?

jaephoenix:
Is this the first time you have engaged him? I have been engaging him for at least a yr now. I think my first time of interfacing him was my thread about bible contradictions. Dude cannot answer one single question. And the worse is he'll be contradicting himself and denying it. I had to screenshot all his comments to reveal to him his errors. I got tired

It isn't but it never ceases to fascinate me.

DeepSight:
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For me the challenge is just the same ol "X does not mean X" kinda worrisome syndrome.

It makes my skin crawl.

jaephoenix:
Welcome to the world of FxMasterz, the master dribbler

The way he can't answer simple yes or no question is so mind boggling, yet he will come and demand yes or no answer from you and expect you to answer.

Predictor3:
But the father is still collecting offering. Is money an issue for the father? 🤔

Nope it's not but different people have different levels of satisfaction and greed.

jesusjnr2020:
There were already signs when he separated from his father, that it was due to a glaring difference in doctrine and approach to ministry because 2 cannot work together unless they agree.

I don't believe it's wrong to collect offering or tithes though, however not as the primary or major matter as his dad and some other prosperity preachers have erroneously made it.

I can bet you that in 10 years or less his tune will change.

Amotolongbo:
The same God who told the father and gave him the instruction to collect offerings is the same one instructing the son not to collect.

Which yeye god, someone his father has already made a billionaire. Of course he can afford to not collect offerings. But trust me time go reach when the music will change.

Amotolongbo:
Sense no go kill their father. The father stylishly took away by retiring the men who could wrestle the control of his empire with his first son away (Abioye and co), found a way of establishing this one so he doesn’t disturb his elder brother.
Baba does not want drama after his demise.

LoLz. You dey see road.

Predictor3:
Unlike his father.
This is highly commendable

Abeg leave story. His father already made him a billionaire so money is not an issue for him.

eyesoflagos:
https://eyesoflagos.com/2026/01/14/odumodublvck-dm-carter-efe-baby-mama-surfaces/

I am surprised to see Odumodublvck is level headed in a space where most of the time celebs act like juveniles. Good on him.

Sign of backwardness. If your wife and/or baby are in a life threatening situation who gives a flying rats arse about unclothedness then? There are some situations one gets into where it becomes some of the least concern on your mind.

abc115:
U.S. forces delivered critical military supplies to our Nigerian partners in Abuja. This delivery supports Nigeria’s ongoing operations and emphasizes our shared security partnership.
@USinNigeria

source

Aid is different from Aide, aides are people. Reading the headline I thought military advisors were being sent to Nigeria only to see it is just materiel.

QuinQ:
Because at core everything is superstition (see the quote below) - as long as we don't know what this is all about or even wether we're dreaming!

Equivocation at its finest.

SIRTee15:
Christianity or any other religion without intelligence leads to superstition.
Christianity with intelligence gives us sound theology. Christ himself said a sick man needs to see a doctor.

This is what apostle Paul was trying to explain that led to him being vilified and called names. Prior to Paul's letter, belief system and traditional practice are inseparable. what u eat, drink, how u sleep, what u wear defines your belief.

Paul was the first person to declare that your faith is independent of your tradition or custom. Your faith must be separated from superstitious believes that are largely influenced by your traditions and cultural practices.

All what Paul was saying is your FAITH should be independent of the traditions of your ancestors. It's ok to follow the traditions of your ancestors such as circumcision or dietary rules BUT those things should not define your faith because those traditions are filled with elements of superstition that beclouds the sense of rational judgement.

In the old testament, God instructed women on their periods and people with open sores not to visit the temple. There's a reason for that- it's called public hygiene.
why should we continue such practice now when wound care has improved and most women have no issue with personal hygiene during period. so why should we continue to say women on their period shouldn't come to place of worship.

This is what Paul was trying to open the eyes of people to see and understand, but we all know how it ended up for him. He was attacked by fellow jews, beaten up and jailed. he is now the convenient scapegoat for muslims and even some ignorant Christians have joined in saying Paul cannot be trusted.

To your case...
It's common knowledge that when a child complains of recurrent tummy ache, a well trained doctor will request blood test which will include coeliac test. A good doctor will also think of food intolerance including lactose and gluten.
This has nothing to do with superstition at all but good medical training. sorry your daughter had to go thru such ordeal b4 finding relieve.

I mentioned my case because in the event where proper diagnosis cannot be obtained it is easy for many believers to switch to spiritualising the situation and claim it as a demonic/spiritual attack in contrast to my approach which was to dig into the medical knowledge base. We see this type of response over and over again.

QuinQQ:
Oh, no doubt. I don't mean you as in "you". I don't mean you personally. I meant one might want to consider that people don't go about committing suicide in heaven

Well if you don't know that Jand or Yankee is not heaven and you want to japa you have more immediate concerns.

QuinQ:
You won't at all consider that maybe it is not the heaven it is cracked up to be?

I am not a rube, I know what it is like abroad.

QuinQ:
But it also has taboo connotations over there. Besides, the difference is too much to be accounted for by just that. I think it has a lot to do with their cold, damp, sunless environment, and exposure to high debt via credit cards and other credit facilities that easily trap the average person.

Well, it still won't factor into a japa decision for me.

QuinQ:
Does nfo below tell us anything?
If so, what?
If not, why not?
Can it possibly affect a japa decision?

It's good to note that they state official rate because especially in places like ours where mental health issues and suicides have taboo connotations, they are inevitably under reported.

That said I would not make a japa decision based on it, the other factors driving a japa decision would weigh far more than the suicide rate.

DeepSight:
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Since skewered. Tey tey.

He knew it hence the rigmarole. I just wanted to give him the opportunity to be truthful to himself but it seems Antarctica will melt completely first. LoLz.

FxMasterz:
But I answered your question with explanations which you said you didn't ask for. I did that several times and still added a No at one point.

You didn't answer the question and even when you said no it completely contradicts what you are saying so abeg it have do, I don belleful. LoLz.

FxMasterz:
No, you used the wrong scripture. The scripture you quoted didn't place God anywhere.

I am not here to argue God's meeting place with you. I am just telling you that you wrongly quoted a scripture that didn't relate.



Intelligent human beings don't need to see N and O before they see a No. If you ask to see yes or no, the person's explained position should tell you where they stand. It's when you want to shut people up in order to gain ascendancy over them that you tell them to answer a question in one syllable. Meanwhile, the question itself was asked in many words. Every Yes or No has an explanation behind it.

The conditions in heaven are not the same as earth. Heaven and hearth don't have the same outcomes for every action. In fact, if you throw something up here, it must come down. That's not the same outcome you'll get if you did the same thing in the moon. It is wrong for you to apply earth to heaven because they're on different frequencies. How many times do I have to say this?

You didn't need to say it in the first place because this is not the answer to the question I asked. You are dodging answering the question because you know it will skewer you but that's ok, I think I am satisfied at this point. LoLz.

QuinQ:
You misunderstand. It is a SCIENTIFIC STUDY profiled in a YouTube video, with peer-reviwed references and cross references

Story. LoLz.

DeepSight:
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I quoted more than those two verses and they also included descriptive verses with the throne of God and heavenly hosts.
I drop the topic. This is too escapist and unconvincing.

He is just being contrarian just to be contrarian.

FxMasterz:
You're bit getting me at all.

I'm not arguing about where the council holds. I'm arguing that the scripture presented by lordreed is not adequate enough for what he claims. Please get me right. I am telling him that he's wrongly inferring what the verse didn't infer. I am not discussing about the council's meeting place at all.

As for the scripture in Job, I have told lordreed that even if heaven is inferred as the location of the council, that verse didn't say Satan was dwelling in heaven. This applies to your Ahab scripture above too. Like I said to him, you cannot say there's a cat in my house just because Mr. Donald visits me with his cat. You cannot say there's evil in heaven just because Satan goes there for a meeting. However, there's nothing in that job scripture that states Satan was meeting with God in heaven.

God is not confined to a place. Purge yourself of whatever religion has told you, and learn God for yourself. God is not a Being confined to a place. God having a meeting does not necessarily mean that the meeting is holding in heaven. God is omnipresent.

That's why I gave him thT scripture which he ignored. Perhaps, you can help him. Can you tell me what you understand about John 1:51:


He then added, “Very truly I tell you, you will see ‘heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on’ the Son of Man."

LoLz. Why do you do this to yourself?

FxMasterz:
You're the one inferring that God holds council somewhere. You're the one to show us where He does that.

Which I did but you can't.

I have said it several times with an explanation that the condition on earth is not the same as heaven. Hence the same rules don't apply! I don't like repeating myself thousands of times on simple things like this. I even gave you a contrast between Nigeria and the USA twice.

I didn't ask you to explain anything I asked you to say yes or no to a simple question you said you said no which will translate to to "no, evil is necessary to enjoy evil in heaven". If evil is not necessary to enjoy good in heaven then you are just dribbling your own shadow and hiding behind your finger.

QuinQ:
I rest my case

LoLz. You didn't have one to begin with. You saw something on YouTube and believed it was true which is par for the course anyway. Bwahahahahahahaha!

QuinQ:
Just swear you'll quit being an atheist once it's uploaded and see what happens

Stop being ridiculous.

QuinQ:
Answer the question. Do you promise?

That is a ridiculous question and has no bearing on you producing the link. You are now fully entrenched in ridiculousness with this matter.