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DeepSight:
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I dont think even you believe in this excuse.
Perhaps the Divine Council of gods meets in Hell or on Earth?

The words in each verse I cited are more than just suggestive as to the "where."

Be serious please. Dont make one begin to think you are willing to make excuses that no one could take seriously.

They know when they're are cornered, that is when they start equivocating like eels in a net.

FxMasterz:
You're just ranting whatever comes to your mind. I didn't make any claim that God had His council anywhere. I'm claiming that you misquoted that scripture. Not interpretation. You're saying what the scriptures didn't say. Point to me in all honesty where that scripture says God's council is in heaven. Just point it out to me straight, because I can see you want to throw accusations where there are none.

Very simple show me a scripture that says your god holds his council anywhere other than heaven.

All I can remember is that you want a Yes or No without any explanation. I provided you a No here with explanation as I always do, but you'll come again and again claiming tje question was not answered. I don't actually know your definition of the word 'answer. You probably have a different meaning for that in your dictionary.

Please quote your previous answer and bolden where you wrote no.

So your answer is no evil is necessary to enjoy good in heaven? LoLz. Na wa for mental atilogun dancing.

FxMasterz:
I'm trying to let you see that you don't understand the Bible at all. Yet, you've made a lot of wrong conclusions about the Bible's God based on inadequate knowledge. See how you're reading the Bible. Very flawed. Let me give you a scripture and let me see whT you'll learn from it:

John 1:51: "And he said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.”

Unlike you I don't need to make any interpretations of the text to suit my narrative, a plain text contextual reading is enough. People like you would claim the words it says don't mean what they say.

Look at it, you can't even provide a scripture that backs up your claim that your god's council is held elsewhere than heaven. You can't even be honest with your own holy book.

I can't remember anything of such. What I'm tell you is that evil does not dwell in heaven because sin is not tolerated there at all. It is immediately quarantined. God is irritated by sin. It can't stay where God stays.

Of course you can't remember. LoLz.

Answer my question with a simple yes or no.

QuinQ:
I keep saying u don't understand because you really don't. Don't worry I'd get someone else to upload it. Just promise you'd stop being an atheist once it's uploaded. Or you may choose to stop being an atheist right now in anticipation of it's release (considering that u benefit NOTHING from being atheistic)

LoLz. Guy abeg stop this, you are beginning to sound ridiculous.

FxMasterz:
This scripture does not say that the council holds in heaven. It talks about the heavenly beings. Not the heavenly place. Then, it talks about the council of the holy ones without mentioning the place of the council.

Then, your Job allusion does not actually fit because even if satan appears in heaven for a meeting, that does not mean he dwells there. You cannot say there's evil in heaven just because satan visits. You cannot say I have a cat in my house just because Mr, Donald visits me with his cat.

Where else would heavenly beings hold their council? Can YOU give us any scripture that says they hold council elsewhere?

Now, I understand you. This is not what I agreed. This is what I inferred. I told you that the conditions in heaven are different to that of earth. That means, heaven does not necessarily have to be enjoyed by the same principle that applies to the earth.

Dude this is the thing with you, we have had this kind of discussion where you refuse to give a simple yes or no even though you demand same. Please answer the question with a simple yes or no.

FxMasterz:
Can you answer that question yourself and show us where the Bible claims God holds His council?

Psalm 89
6 For who in the skies can be compared to the Lord?
Who among the heavenly beings is like the Lord,
7 a God feared in the council of the holy ones,
great and awesome[b] above all who are around him?

I've answered you so much so that I'm beginning to think I probably didn't get your question well. You might please come again.

Very simply do you agree that evil is not necessary to enjoy good in heaven? Yes or no.

QuinQ:
You must really think I'm very smart. I'm flattered and I wah you were right. But no, I didn't make it up at all. I saw it on YouTube as clearly as today is Sunday

LoLz. You saw it on YouTube! Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

I said you have no link to any such scientific study and you have proved it. So please retire this story it is played out.

Explore2xmore:
Can you provide any definitive evidence for your own claims? Then you say lack of belief is your definition but cannot say what isn't believed in. So you are not making a clear statement.

I already did, are you paying attention?

Lack of belief in any gods.

QuinQ:
If you were smart you'd surmise I DIDN'T. No one is that smart!

I have nothing but stories so yeah you made it up.

QuinQ:
WHY would I make up a study that says they went through old patients' files and the patients whose files they went through showed up for check-up. WHY??!! And HOW?! Do I design scientific studies??!!

How would I know why you decided to make up stories to support your claims.

QuinQ:
You just don't understand. It is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. You saw it with your own two eyes. Here it is again below

That could have been any day but I ain't asking you again, I'll just take it the study doesn't exist.

QuinQ:
You don't understand, they have their eyes fixated on me. I've tried all sorts of wuru wuru they still ban me. So frustrating!

Guy, stop playing games. I have given you several ways to do this. Your recalcitrance just tells me you don't have it. You posted a YouTube link successfully, but this one is gonna get you banned? Please tell that to the birds.

Explore2xmore:
While that might hold true from an archaeological standpoint, it really only reflects evidence, not actual belief. Just because we don’t have any surviving rituals doesn’t mean that early humans didn’t have a sense of God or some form of spiritual awareness.

Well then, till when you able to produce definitive evidence that that was the case then the point stands.

Atheism, by its very nature, needs the idea of God to be able to reject it. So, just because early humans didn’t leave behind evidence of belief doesn’t automatically make them atheists, they simply might not have had a documented concept of God at that time.

Wrong again. I have given you the definition of atheism, LACK OF BELIEF, it doesn't require any concept of god to reject since it is not a rejection. Also remember we are playing word games so you can't seriously challenge this or else we also fault your definition of Muslim.

QuinQ:
Don't blame me, blame NL!! Even if I screenshot I'd still get banned!!!

Nope I totally blame you. There are myriad of ways to post that information here but you're using the excuse of being banned so you don't have to. You can post the link and break it into different lines. But sure keep giving that bogus excuse and keep knowing I don't take your word for it.

DeepSight:
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This sounds escapist to me and I am sure you know it is escapist.

At all events is the presence of Yahweh not holy enough to exclude evil company.

The mental atilogun dance is ramping up. LoLz.

FxMasterz:
Did it really say heaven? We were never told where the presentation took place. You're just assuming.

Where else does the Bible claim that the god holds his councils?

I have told you that heaven is a pure place because there's no sin there. Hence, no evil.

Please answer my question. Do you or do you not concede that the heaven you believe in depicts the possibility?

Explore2xmore:
The term Muslim refers to anyone who submits to God, even those who lived before Muhammad pbuh. While being an atheist is rooted in denial and doesn't allow for a retroactive application of beliefs. So, these two concepts aren't really equivalent.

Nope. Atheism is lack of beliefs and as I have shown lack of belief was around for far longer than any belief in any gods.

Explore2xmore:
I am starting with the root of atheism with regards to the origin of man. Maybe you could clarify how atheism predates all religion which is a practice of mankind.

Homo sapiens have been around for more than 250,000 years while the earliest evidence of ritualistic or proto-religion is about 80,000 years. This suggests humans didn't have religious beliefs for more time they've been around than the time they did have it.

Explore2xmore:
We will need to come to an agreement about the ambiguity of evidence supporting evolution, and the belief that life cannot arise from non-life before agreeing that early mankind had no concept of the existence of God.

My statement has nothing to do with evolution.

FxMasterz:
No, he doesn't go to heaven.

Job1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

No, it does. I don't know what you said I conceded.

Do you or do you not concede that the heaven you believe in depicts the possibility?

DeepSight:
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So who created evil.

Mind you, the omniscient and omnipotent one who created creatures who do evil necessarily created evil.

This is aside from his confession in Isaiah that he does indeed create evil.

Excellent points. How by the light of Orion is vicarious redemption justified if everyone is supposedly responsible for their own sins? And if all sin before and after have been so forgiven where lies the reason for punishment still?

Damn I wish I had not literally spent decades in this kind of mindset. The holes are way to glaring for Andromeda's sake.

QuinQ:
This is not personal opinion or experience. IT IS A SCIENTIFIC STUDY!!!

That you can't screenshot a link to. I don't take your word for it, produce the link.

DeepSight:
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Are you such a wicked fellow?
Why do you keep scoring golden goals when one is enough.

Have mercy, m'lord, have mercy.

LoLz. The defence is too porous na, how ball no go enter.

FxMasterz:
The conditions are different. That's why it matters.

What matters in Nigeria may not necessarily matter in the USA.

Earth is not a standard for heaven.

What makes it different? According to your book Satan was an angel and he goes to heaven sometimes so evil can be in heaven no?

It still doesn't matter because you concede that the possibility exists.

FxMasterz:
The rule applies to earth alone. It doesn't apply to the entire universe.

Ahhh so now we have modified it but at least you concede the possibility exists.

Now let us examine it further. If you taste a dish for the first time made with ingredients you've never tasted before how do you know it tastes nice or not?

QuinQ:
Sure, just know that to me it doesn't prove anything. It doesn't mean it applies to everyone

And that proves nothing too. When you are ready to provide something that is beyond personal opinion or experience lemme know.

QuinQ:
Nah, too much work for me - and for you. Besides it's only tangential to the discussion. The discussion is about the existence of historical Jesus and a spiritual world. You have agreed to the former and the later is self-evident - unless you discount all the tons of testimonies!

Yes I discount all the tons of personal anecdotes because they will be only specific to the person's religion or religious inclination. When you are ready to screenshot a link to a scientific study to support your claim lemme know.

QuinQ:
See, I told you - I was banned (see below).
The spiritual world is VERY legalistic. You have mouth to talk because your parents or ancestors didn't consecrate you to one demon or another, whereby you are theirs and they look after you and have LEGAL right over you. If you refuse to pay attention or homage to them they'd be after you with all sorts of attacks and you will be looking at anyone saying spiritual does not exist as crazy. Do you think this girl below is lying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euGTJQHjMGs?si=SG2pKTeBeeipiqFk

Dude screenshot the link, it is not hard now.

FxMasterz:
The conditions of earth are not same with heaven's. The same rules don't apply. Apology for omitting the screenshots. Here are they below:

It doesn't matter. You claimed it was necessary. If not it is not necessary in heaven then you must concede that the possibility exists.

PulsingPurple:
Me wey get history with him since the day I asked him to prove his wife has love for him, and than in return I'll prove God exists. 😂😂

LoLz. You just wanted to side track the issue. The original question remains providing evidence for your god.

phelonrays:
Stop saying he ran to the front.

She moved the vehicle while he was on the front on his second round of filming.

You can here the 'wife' telling her to 'drive baby drive'. They planned that together only that she didn't knew it would turn out on her being dead.

The other agent was on the window side.

But he did, clear as day.