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aperture11:
Yes, she was a divorcee, yes she died under the knife, but God is the giver of gifts. He doesn't look for perfect vessels, he perfects his vessels.

Elisha died but years later his bone was still healing people.

Kathryn Kuhrmans fruits abound in the number of lives she touched that are now touching others.

Inspired by her to also become TV preachers that never step into a hospital to heal the sick. There are specialist hospitals for children sick with cancer, Benny Hinn has never visited one to heal even 1 child.

KnownUnknown:
I don’t think the ideas are fundamentally beautiful nor do I blame the religious for turning something beautiful into something ugly. The ideas are as good as the acts they inspire. Like the wisdom of all ages assert, men will behave badly if inculcated with stories about gods behaving badly. We see this truth in the Abrahamic religions. e.g. if the Muslims aren’t told stories of their god sanctioning all manner of bloodshed or directly causing the bloodshed, they would be less inclined to cause bloodshed.

That's just it, they are not supposed to inspire you to commit atrocious acts just like Shakespeare's writings are not a basis for morality. It's a glimpse into the formation of culture, its supposed to provide context and understanding of those times. It should allow you to see how far human society has developed culturally. If you've ever read the Greek or Roman mythologies you'll see similar there to but it shouldn't inspire you to go kill or rape.

KnownUnknown:
No, I don’t expect anyone to lay it out….for free.
The statement religion is regarded by the ruler as useful, the wise as false, and the common people as true becomes really profound when you realize the sheer genius of the originators.

I laugh when some criticize the authors of “sacred” books as “ancient goat herders” . There were not goat herders, they were the most educated people around and were very smart.

I don't use that term because in those days it took scribes to be able write anything down plus writing implements were not as ubiquitous as we have them now. Goat herders won't have the time or inclination. It is obviously a glimpse into the birth of our sophistication, unfortunately the religious have turned something beautiful into something ugly.

KnownUnknown:
If you read enough ethnography, history, and philosophy, you won’t need the above examples to rubbish their nonsense god because you would have enough information for some adbductive , if not inductive, reasoning. Their god is nothing more than the central character of a “noble fiction”. At least the Jewish god is. Once you realize that, Christianity becomes a tragicomedy.

Indeed. I simply pointed the most accessible of these, the volume of these facts would be overwhelming for any single post to attempt to layout.

Hismasterpiece:
lol. could you please share this evidence with me?

6 million jews killed in WW2.
Islamic terrorists killing in the name of the Abrahamic god.
Christian pastors and priests taking advantage of their congregations.

To all of this the heavens are completely silent. No god booming out to deliver any sort of proclamation condemning any of these actions which is the least a god as powerful and righteous as the Abrahamic god is said to be should do but absolutely nothing happened/happens.

Hismasterpiece:
The ones taught by the Holy Bible

Give me 5 examples.

FreeIgboho:
I now see the Genesis of your confusion! I keep posting quotes and you keep saying the quotes are not saying what they are clearly saying (never mind which Seth said them). Answer for yourself: who is making a fool of himself?

You obviously because we were talking of Dr Anil Seth whom you so obviously quoted but decided to slip in another Seth. You were trying to be too clever by half, thinking Dr Anil Seth's authority will give credence to your mumbo jumbo Seth. I don't care for your other Seth because he is a hoax. Jane Roberts had hypothyroidism, of which one of the symptoms is mood disorders and schizophrenia-spectrum disorders. He was a figment of her imagination.

Belafonte:
You will find the answer to this question if you meditate on the bible verse I dropped.

Today's preachers are saying nothing different from what Paul said during his time. Yes, God people to live a good life: read, healthy and self-sufficient amongst other things; yet, God also put a control in Paul's life to stop him from being arrogant. Perhaps, you can ask God why He didn't heal Kathryn Kulman. I believe I've done my best in answering your question: assuming you're arguing in good faith, of course

Well it does sound like bullcrap to say your god didn't want to heal Kathryn and wanted her instead to undergo a medical procedure that would end her life. My conclusion is Kathryn didn't have any god gifted healing powers, she was just like the rest of the TV preachers, a brilliant showman.

Belafonte:
And? What exactly is your point? Was she the one doing the miracles or God through her.

By the way, this is Apostle Paul speaking below:


2 Corinthians 12:7-9

Yeah so why do preachers emphasis how there god makes sure they don't lack anything including health? So in Kathryn's case god decided that Kathryn would not have good health? That she would die under a doctor's knife? How wicked is this your god?

FreeIgboho:
No disrespect but u r kinda making a fool of yourself.
It's not even a he. The woman claims to be channeling a spirit named Seth, and you still say she doesn't believe in the supernatural!!!

LOL! We are talking of Dr Anil Seth, you are bringing up some spiritual mumbo jumbo. You are the one making a fool of yourself. Bwahahahahaha!

FreeIgboho:
You carefully avoid addressing that he said "I am sure you have lived before and will live again" . What's more supernatural than that??

FreeIgboho:
I gratuitously posted the Einstein quote which is clearly not part of the discussion - which is why I didn't reference it at all (didn't say "see below"

As for Seth, someone says point blank he can assure you you have lived before. Explain to us what context he put it that renders it not support of existence of a supernatural!!

Tell me in which article he said it.

Belafonte:
Lol. Humans don't die? Never knew Kathryn Kulman was the fourth member of the trinity.

She had a heart condition for years that her healing magic did not cure and eventually needed surgery during which she died.

FreeIgboho:
I have read this letter before. I don't know what it has to do with the discussion.
The discussion is on Seth, whether he supports supernatural. He does!!! Read below again.
He even talks of "creation".

You should be the answering the question since it was you who posted a quote from Einstein.

Seth does not. You bring quotes taken out of context to bolster your view, that is called quote mining. Go read the entirety of the blog post first instead of posting pictures that don't tell the whole story.

Issues40:
Please note: I am sure the Person of God exists (unlike what the atheists say) and I am also sure that the devil (Lucifer) exists

Why are you sure they exist?

It's just funny that the concepts of god need tweaking, if a god revealed itself it wouldn't it be necessary to tweak what his attributes are.

jesusjnr2020:
Why Is There Hardly Any Woman Like Kathryn Kulman These Days?

A friend of mine put this question to me sometime ago, while we were watching a woman I had much respect for ministering on cable TV.

I had said several nice things about her, as I thought she was bringing something different from what we were used to with women ministers, but he seemed unimpressed and put that question to me.

The question was priceless one which made so much sense, that I had to give the person who asked some credit for asking such a question. It was indeed a puzzle that needed unraveling because Kathryn Kulman was truly one of a kind. Although I hadn't ever seen her picture, watched any clips of her ministrations or even read any of her material prior to that, i'd heard so much about her. It was even much later i found out the way her name was really spelt, because the way people who spoke about her usually pronounced her name, i thought it was something else, until I saw where it was written somewhere.

One of them, a close relative of mine who had spoken much about how Benny Hinn kept speaking about Kathryn Kulman, and Benny Hinn was arguably the most anointed in this generation when it came showcasing the mighty works of God or miracles. So for pretty much the most respected or influential man in the church circle to speak so effusively of a woman spoke volumes about her.

Despite being a woman she was at the top bracket of most respected and anointed persons in the Christendom in living history. Even men got used to speaking about her as though she was a man, because the extent to which God used her appeared to break the gender barrier of people's consciousness. I can't even think of any man God used during that period to do more exploits for His glory than her.

Hence the question, why is there hardly any woman like her these days?

At the time I had already began to walk at level of the Spirit, so I had an idea of what it takes to walk at that level, and perhaps was able to give a reasonable response to that question. However whatever my response was, it wasn't as good as that which God latter gave me with a personal experience.

At a point in my walk with God, I was very frustrated because the first ever person to accept the Words of Jesus which i represent, as her own word on the basis of my preaching it, who was the closest person to me spiritually speaking at the time, was going through a whole lot. I was really, really saddened by it because I had been through a whole lot myself because of my own decision to walk at the level of Spirit, but I was a man. She was a woman, so i thought things were going to be different with her.

I was really concerned about her to the point that it weighed me down, because I felt responsible for her as someone whose decision to also give God her all and walk at the level of the Spirit, was inspired by my own spiritual life. So i wasn't really happy, but there was something God did that made me understand and better appreciate what was going on.

While i was yet lamenting, God showed me in quick succession, back to back, the biographies of two women. The first was Kathryn Kulman followed by Gladys Aylward.

Now most in the Church know the extent of what God used Kathryn Kulman to do, so there's no need for me to speak much about that.

However the other woman, Gladys Aylward, just like many others, I was getting to know for the first time. But as spiritually crazy as I already was at the time, as shown by some my own stories I've shared here, like that of my fasting experience in a wilderness, her own story completely blew me away at the time. Hers was on another level.

The woman who was very petit in stature that she would have to climb up a chair to address many men who would be upstanding and attentively listening to her speaking for hours upon hours without even realizing that time was far spent.

She was a British woman that God used to evangelize China. After getting there, she rose to a position of influence that during their war with Japan, Japan used helicopters to send fliers with her picture on it depicted as a wanted woman. A movie was eventually made of her on the big screen in Hollywood.

So God also used her to a pulsating degree that men could hardly boast of just as Kathryn Kulman, but there was a reason I was being shown all these by God, and that I would share in the next post.

LoLz. The same Kathryn Kulman that died during open heart surgery?

HellVictorinho:
Einstein never demonstrated the correctness of spirituality


What else

The spirituality of Einstein was a reverence for the profundity of the universe, in that he demonstrated it quite well. It did not comprise of a supernatural realm nor did it contain any anthropomorphic spirit being or beings.

jesusjnr2020:
It's because we're not willing to do what those of old did to be able to be used by God to that degree.

We want anointing but not their suffering.

That said, greater works are surely coming as it was of old, but with greater works come greater condemnation if you don't repent.

So ensure that you don't waste it when you see it.

God bless.

From the story how much suffering did Joshua receive to be able to command the sun to stand still.

Good for you op, happy for you.

FreeIgboho:
He never said that, but assuming he did, did you ever ask yourself this: how did he know?!

The relevant thing he said is that we make up "reality" - we don't know it's true nature. Common sense tells you that is true

More of your quote mining. That statement attributed to Einstein was taken from a letter (quoted in part below).

In 1936, Albert Einstein wrote the following letter to a sixth-grade student, Phyllis Wright, in response to her questions: Do scientists pray? And if so, what do they pray for?
January 24, 1936
Dear Phyllis,
I have tried to respond to your question as simply as I could. Here is my answer. Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e., by a wish addressed to a supernatural being. However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in Nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research.

Read in context you get the idea that while Einstein proposes a form of spirituality, he doesn't endorse the idea of supernatural beings capable of influencing reality.

frank317:
He talks a lot if trash... If the God he serves exists, both of them must be mad. His God deserves a medal for laziness and stupidity.

As in, unadulterated bunkum.

Near1:
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Yes, it’s your brain that creates reality, not some other Intelligence. And your brain is guessing about the information it receives to begin with.

And it making a “best guess” at that . Watch the Anil Seth clip, before you make selective examples of what he is NOT saying.

Actually this falsifies the concept of a God. God does not create your subjective reality, you do! We certainly do not all agree about the hallucination of an existing God. Therefore we cannot call it reality.

But the fact that you can hallucinate a God shows the subjectivity of that experience. Your reality is a product of your brain, blind, deaf, and locked in a dark bony skull.

When he talks about other consciousnesses, he does not imply the existence of a brainless consciousness. He is identifying all other brained creatures that create their own subjective reality.

LoLz! I just gave a similar reply. The guy just wants to believe in the supernatural by any means.

FreeIgboho:
The person who said the following doesn't think there is a supernatural??!! You ok sir?

This is the problem with people like you, you enjoy quote mining and taking things out of context because they stroke feeling of profundity the narrative you want to construct gives you.

This statement: human consciousness generally is a tiny region in a vast space of possible consciousnesses when read in context will let you understand that he was talking about how it is possible that other animals may indeed be experiencing consciousness in ways we don't. Read the full context here: https://blog.ted.com/how-does-consciousness-happen-anil-seth-speaks-at-ted2017/

At no point does Anil mention the possibility of the existence of a supernatural, in fact he says consciousness is firmly grounded in the body here:

"Just as biologists have explained the properties of living systems — like metabolism, homeostasis and reproduction — once we start explaining the properties of consciousness in terms of things happening inside brains and bodies, the apparent metaphysical mystery of what consciousness is should start to fade away."

So yes Mr Matrix, Anil Seth does not say consciousness is a supernatural phenomenon.

FreeIgboho:
You are a funny guy, you present a video that supports everything I'm saying, yet u r still arguing.
Below are things the guy said

So are you. You watched a video in which the speaker categorically says there is no supernatural cause of consciousness and you claim it supports your view.

Valar Morghulis. Rest in peace guitar boy.

HellVictorinho:
You declare yourself the winner after calling me a child for no reason that makes you special


You are talking about acknowledging things as they are but you are the same person that said it is impossible to determine things as they are


You are just confused

Really confused.

KnownUnknown:
Lmao. Get ready for more Matrix arguments for god. The next movie in the franchise is called Matrix: Resurrections, and it seems reincarnation will be part of the plot. There’s going to be an avalanche of bullshit then.

I can imagine.

HellVictorinho:
Ask him to tell you what he saw in the dream he had within a dream

He has nothing by a fictional tale, he can't show us anything in reality.

FreeIgboho:
The movie happens to be a perfect metaphor for our likely situation.
Even an ancient man knew enough to know that the only thing he could possibly be sure of was his own existence because someone had to be doing the thinking: "I think, therefore I am"!
Bye bye

How do you know it is perfect? Have you started flying like Neo?

FreeIgboho:
You keep robotically saying prove it when I've shown you that everything we know are approximations and preponderance of evidence.

And you keep robotically repeating that you have shown me something when all you've been robotically mentioning is a freaking movie and it's fictional protagonist. Is The Matrix the preponderance of evidence? Is Neo the god you are proving?

FreeIgboho:
You should really be concerned that the ancients knew better than you. What do u think led to: "I think, therefore I am"

LMAO! Which ancient? The ancients that thought the world was flat or the ones who thought sickness was caused by demons.

Your capacity to cogitate is what allows you to formulate a view of the world, it doesn't mean you should think a freaking movie is real.

FreeIgboho:
You are being ridiculous. You know fully well the basis of everything I say is that we don't know anything for sure. How can I say I know the universe was set up?!!

In that case u are more agnostic (which is the right position to take) than Atheist. As we define it, an Atheist is one who says there are no gods.

You don't know enough to say Abrahamic don't exist. Do you know in the old days when certain deities were worshiped those deities had real power. It is entirely possible our belief in a god creates it. Point is: we don't know enough to say that's impossible

I never reached any conclusions. There u go, being ridiculous again.
Can't you learn a language in a dream? Stop arguing like a baby. Neo can learn a language too, and do everything I can do - yet it's all fake!

You are the one being ridiculous and childish, who can't distinguish between what is real and what is fiction. You watched a freaking movie and won't shut up about it because you think it's real. You sound like an unwashed infant from the village they took to the cinema who closes his eyes because he thinks the car in the movie is about to hit him. Grow up please and stop fooling yourself about the Matrix movie, it's only a movie.

I am an agnostic atheist, I don't believe in any gods, if you have any gods prove them, it's that simple. I don't care if your god had power in the past, I don't live in that past.

You never reached any conclusions but you somehow know that the universe was setup by a who and that there is a supernatural, are you not the one kidding yourself?