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Dtruthspeaker:
Oh no! The first Jesus is Coming was exactly the situation of "you know that daddy has traveled but he would soon be back"

Which has developed through the stages till now which is "you ought not to be surprised to suddenly see daddy inside the house" stage.

And secondly, I observed that you are now trying to sell that you are 3 years old in atheism whereas you are 19 years old in it going by your 2012 records which you had not yet deleted as at the 23rd of August 2021.

Anyway lying is not beneath you.

Absentee daddy for 2000 years? LMFAO!

Na you know which kine jagbajantis you dey talk.

FreeIgboho:
Of course there are more people who think there is a supernatural because most people go by what they EXPERIENCE not try to logic it like you. If a child is born remembering his past life and bearing a birthmark at the spot where he was shot dead, they don't say it is one big coincidence!

I DON'T KNOW!!! Just as you don't! No one knows enough to declare himself atheist!

But you claimed to know that this universe is setup by a whoever, how did you come to this conclusion if you don't know?

I declare myself an atheist because I DON'T BELIEVE in any god or gods, it is not a claim that I know there are no gods. I did claim however to know that the god of the Abrahamic faith doesn't exist because I have sufficient evidence.

It is not a question of logic but of evidence. If you don't claim to know anything then I wonder how you are reaching any conclusions. How are you able to declare there exists a supernatural when you don't know anything?

Your claim is kind of absurd though because here you are conversing with me in a language you most definitely learned so how can you not know the language you are conversing in?

HappyPagan:
A side effect. I got bothered and checked on the CDC website.

A neighbor had it recently. My parents are vaccinated (thankfully I have cousins they 'respect' who gave them good advice.

My mum caught it, thankfully she pulled through.

Hismasterpiece:
That's the thing. My belief in God is not based on nothing. It's based on facts.

Which facts?

HappyPagan:
Got the Covid vaccine on Wednesday. Arm was swollen and hurt... Couldn't lift it up. It's better this morning.

How y'all doing?

Doing ok. Got tested 2 weeks back, A Ok. Looking to get the shot myself. Was the swelling a side effect or the nurse didn’t do the injection properly?

Dtruthspeaker:
They can see God is Coming now and He is not far!

Is this like the Jesus is coming soon that 2000yrs later has still not come? How far is not far, another 2000yrs? LMFAO! I have been an atheist for 3yrs now and Jesus still hasn't come that means not far is more than 3yrs at least, LMAO!

FreeIgboho:
I find it amazing the arrogance with which people talk.
HOW DO YOU KNOW??!!
Whoever set this our reality up must love people who say there is no supernatural. Because it covers up all their slip ups (no system is perfect). Instead of seeing them as signs that things are not as they seem to us, they find a way to justify them. say it is natural thereby covering up their mistakes for them - exactly what they want!

If "Whoever set this our reality up must love people who say there is no supernatural" how come there are more people who believe in the supernatural than who don't? Besides since you claim we don't know things how do you know there's a "Whoever set this our reality up"?

FreeIgboho:
What sense do u think I mean?

I don't know that's why I am asking.

FreeIgboho:
I want to get your take on this:
Why do you think the name, Jesus, is so powerful?

Powerful in what sense?

Hismasterpiece:
Like I said your biased.

It is hard for any atheist or Christian to have a meaningful conversation cuz both are sold out to their beliefs.

I can't believe your claims cuz I'm biased to the spiritual and you can't believe my claims cuz you're biased to the natural.

By the way.. Going by the topic of the thread..

Give me logical reasons as to why I should be an atheist.

That's just it, I have no beliefs that contain a supernatural causation for anything and the problem is you can't show me anything that can't be identified as natural.

I don't attempt to tell people to become atheist so I can't give you any logical reason to become one.

Dtruthspeaker:
It's been long settled that it is always losers who are always looking for a win!



That was not my God.

He was calling your former god when you and him were on the same side of thinking that you had my God, whereas, you were only writing your application letters.

No I mean your god, the one that can't do jack.

Tdotbluejays:
Excerpt:

I worked as a soldier at the coalface of Nato’s Resolute Support mission, which was supposed to train, support and assist Afghan security services and institutions. We provided security for advisers while they engaged with their Afghan counterparts in Kabul. Generally, this would mean picking them up, taking them to the meeting, providing security for the meeting and bringing them back to base. From my perspective, there were at least two fundamental errors in the mission’s approach. The first was the massive outsourcing to the private sector that underwrote the operation.

Let me state categorically, our service people are not to blame. The soldiers I served with, those who fought in Helmand and later safeguarded in Kabul, acted, almost without exception, with the utmost professionalism and valour. To have served alongside them is the great honour of my life. But Nato’s mission was not fit for purpose.

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When I was in Afghanistan, private military contractors numbered almost 30,000. Some were engaged in protection tasks, but many more were responsible for training and mentoring Afghans who held positions of significant influence. They advised on intelligence, war-fighting, diplomacy, policing, you name it. Some of them were doing their best. Many more didn’t give a damn. Many were on six figures and had been for years. Afghanistan for them was a cash cow, a way of putting their kids through college (most were American) or paying off a mortgage. In sum, there were too many poorly qualified people working without accountability, getting paid far too much. If you want an answer to the question of why Afghanistan’s military crumbled in weeks, take a long hard look at their so-called mentors.

This part is the major reason why on ground American interventions have been failing, it has become a cash cow for some people. They are not there to truly carry out the overarching objectives.

Dtruthspeaker:
na losers dey always dey fine win and so anything wey dey see, dem go dey cry win, wen dem no win anything.

So just kark for una side until God come deal with una one by one

LMFAO! OMFD! You just literarily described yourself. Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Meanwhile your god is missing in action.

Hismasterpiece:
It's like you didn't read what I posted.

I said while I was praying... In the process of my praying she started to feel her flow come... That's no coincidence na.. Its obviously supernatural.

Just say you're biased. And have decided to see things from a nuturalistic/humanistic viewpoint and have disregarded the very thought of anything being spiritual.

If I asked you to pray for an amputee to grow back their limb would you be able to do it? That would be an amazing thing if your prayer can accomplish it or is your prayer power only able to accomplish things that are naturally possible?

I am yet to see anybody accomplish what is not naturally possible by prayer or any other so called supernatural means, all I see are naturally possible things. If you want to convince me that there is a supernatural accomplish something that is not naturally possible.

FreeIgboho:
I can't believe u r arguing like this. You should know that what you perceive doesn't equate what is real na.
Even a common hypnotist can do that talkless of whoever designed the possible matrix you live in and decided the type of limitations and distortions to give your brain! Even ancient philosopher Descartes knew that the ONLY thing he could be sure of was that he himself existed - "I think, therefore I am". But even that was proved wrong!

LoL! If you don't know you have 10 toes and 10 fingers well good for you. If you think you live in some sort of Matrix style universe hit me up when you can fly like Neo. LMFAO!

Hismasterpiece:
Dude you can't convince me otherwise. I know somebody touched me that day. Whether you believe it or not doesn't change the fact.

Okay leave that experience and consider this one.

I have prayed for a girl having menstrual flow issues and while I was praying for her, according to what she told me later on, she started to feel her period come, and when she got to her hostel her period came.

How do you explain that?

Not trying to convince you that you didn't feel what you felt. I just don't think it indicates anything supernatural.

Again not remarkable, menstrual issues come and go. The problem is for every type of success you record by you thinking your prayer worked there are 10 more where prayer didn't or will you tell me everything you pray for comes to be?

Also we know that illness like menstrual issues comes and goes. Take for instance headache, you pray for someone who has one and it goes, how do we know if the headache went because of prayer or it went naturally as headaches do from time to time. How can we tell if it was your prayer that resolved the menstrual issues or it resolved naturally and your prayer had nothing to do with it.

benalvino3:
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Hope you can see that the US is being primed for another intervention.

So sad. Valar Morghulis. Rest in peace.

FreeIgboho:
I thought I was conversing with a mature thinker. You can be any number of a trillion things you can never imagine, things that look nothing like what you think you are. In that matrix couldn't they have had Neo perceive himself as having no toes??

Have you ever perceived yourself having 2000 toes? You can continue to delude yourself because you enjoyed the Matrix movie and think it is analogous to reality but I know I have 10 toes thank you very much.

FreeIgboho:
Don't be offended. Your mistake lies in that "there are things I do know". In this matrix world what would you say Neo knows? Then factor in the fact you don't know the limitations and errors your brain came with. So you see, there are no "things I do know".

There are always things you do know. You seem to be conflating the limitations of knowledge with actual available facts. Can you say you don't know that you have 10 toes and 10 fingers even if you don't know exactly how the bones and skin interconnect to form them?

I salute the courage and courteousness of happy200 in attempting to prove he has powers gifted from his god. Few believers on Nairaland would be so bold, fewer still would admit to being stumped if it didn't go as planned.

I reiterate, I stand ready to be proved wrong on the existence of gods and particularly the god of Abrahamic religions, so far they all have been as silent as the hills.

FreeIgboho:
My bros thanks for your responses but they are shallow. Here's why - once u start with the fact that you don't know the true nature of reality and that you don't know the limitations and errors placed on your brain, then there could be a trillion things you don't know that you don't kmow - when just one thing u don't know that you don't know could be where it's all at.
See the clip below, assuming those outside the matrix are God, is there any way to prove he exists?? Is there any way Neo can tell his world is fake? NO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVM5-_fusjs

Are you lacking understanding? I just admitted that there are a trillion things I don't know but there are somethings I do know. If you don't know what I know shouldn't your response be inquiry instead of disparaging? You think I haven't factored in the possibility of a Matrix style existence?

Find screenshots of the event attached.

Drank a toast to kingxsamz.

frank317:
LordReed did u actually chicken out? Hmmm

Apologies to happy200 and everyone who was looking forward to this, my alarm didn't go off at the time so we started later than scheduled. I will post screenshots in due course.

Ola17:
We’ve seen this type of scenario play out in this forum over the years.

I’d be more concerned about privacy.

Yeah well some accommodations can be made from time to time...for science. LoLz

happy200:
On my way home, i will meet up with the time 8:40pm hope you are ready now, i will soon add you up on WhatsApp. Thank you

I am all setup and waiting. Message me on WhatsApp so I get a notification.

Hismasterpiece:
Why shouldn't you arrive at such a conclusion?

You tell me why I should.

Have you ever seen any building that built itself? Or any car that built itself?

Nope but I have seen human beings doing it so I know how they do it. On the other hand we have seen no god of any sort doing any creating nor do we know how any god could do any creating.

Ever since the purported big bang that caused creation there never has been another. Why is that?

Because the conditions for another big bang don't yet exist.

Ever since the theorized evolution by natural selection there never has been any further evolution. Why is that?

There has been and continues to be.

But ever since the original creation we still see creation in action till today!

I have not seen any god doing any creating anywhere on this planet or in space.

Hismasterpiece:
The theory of evolution is just as it says... A THEORY.

You are mixing up the colloquial usage of the term with it's scientific usage. In the hierarchy of scientific postulations a theory is just about as high as it can get. It means a body of facts and the explanation tying them together are pretty much established as true. In science there is nothing like "just a theory".

It has never been proven and can never be proven.

It has been proven over and over again.

Tell me something. If humans evolved from apes then why do apes still exist?

You obviously don't understand what the theory involves hence this question. The theory does not say whole species just transform into something else. In lay man's terms the theory says that groups of similar organisms separate geographically acquire changes over time that differentiate them from the original group they came from. Which in this case means that the group that became humans and the group that became the apes we see together separated long ago and acquired changes over successive generations.

Also if humans evolved from apes why haven't we evolved further? I sure would like to evolve from the way I currently am to something more impressive.

Again another misunderstanding of the theory. Evolution hasn't stopped and it also requires in many cases more than a single lifetime to see changes. For instance the Scandinavian people of Europe are among the tallest people in the world, their change in height has been tracked over successive generations. Evolution is not a trick where organisms suddenly transform like in magic show.

Did you know that in the Charles Darwin book that popularized the theory of evolution he spends the closing chapters of the book doubting his own theory?

He did not doubt evolution. You can quote the place from his book where you think he did.

Even Charles Darwin didn't postulate the theory of evolution as a fact but just as a theory.

See what I said about theory above.

Nobody has ever witnessed evolution and ever will.

We have and will continue to witness it. The delta variant of the Covid-19 virus is a product of evolution. Drug resistant bacteria are a product of evolution. Dog breeds are a product of evolution. You are watching it everyday happen all around you.

Hismasterpiece:
LOL.

There are four times in my life that i have been scared to death.

The first time was when I broke my head as a kid and was bleeding profusely. I was really scared that day and thought I was going to die.

The second time was when I almost drowned in a swimming pool as a kid.

The third time was when a senior in my boarding school punched my nose and I began to bleed profusely from my nose.

The fourth time was that day when an invisible person rubbed my shoulder (in a dark room which makes it even more scary).

Have you ever been scared... Like really scared? Tell me have you forgotten the experience? Scary experiences are truly hard to forget.

I surely can't recall everything I eat but I can recall things that stand out... Like foods that made me vomit or caused me severe stomach pain.

This experience I'm talking about has never before happened to me and never again happened to me.

You atheists have an anti-supernatural bias and are not willing to accept the fact that there are things which exist that you simply don't know, or haven't experienced.

But just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it is false.

Have you ever stared death in the face? I have. Doesn't make me still think there is a supernatural. I dunno why you think one event in your life is the foundation for a belief in a supernatural.

That there are things in this universe we don't know or can't yet explain is no basis to establish belief in the supernatural.

I am not anti-supernatural, I am skeptical. Your "ghost hand" is such a banal example it doesn't even register as something I should consider. Besides several people have tried to verify the existence of supernatural and paranormal powers to no avail. It's not today we started asking questions.

Nice. Gave it a like. Thumbs up.

happy200:
Good afternoon, here is my number but not my WhatsApp number. Sms your number to me so that i will add you on the WhatsApp number 08121936735. Thank you

Sent you a message. Please also respect my privacy and not divulge my number or any other personal information.