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kingxsamz:
You better celebrate your last few hours of being an atheist, because you're turning a new leaf today.

LMFAO! I go pop something any which way.

1Sharon:
Don't forget to screen record abeg

For sure.

happy200:
Good morning, you will get my number before 3pm. Thank you

Alright, I'll be standing by.

Hismasterpiece:
and what of all the other things that have creators? what do you have to say about them?

Somethings have human creators and others don't, that doesn't lead me to conclude that all things must have creators.

Hismasterpiece:
so how do you explain human existence? please don't even mention evolution.

Why shouldn't I mention it? We are an outcome of the evolutionary process that has been established as fact.

Hismasterpiece:
things like what?

Things like healing or good fortune.

Hismasterpiece:
A HAND touched me. I believe i know what a hand touch feels like. Plus it had never happened to me before prior to that time and has never since happened to me again since then.

You can't even remember what you ate last week but you think you remember what a "ghost hand" feels like all these years later?

happy200:
Good! Thank you for your good understanding about the whole thing. Their is no need to fear, you said God doesn't exist and i'm saying that he exists with mighty power and i said that i will send him to visit/arrest you just to prove my point after which i believe you will never doubt his existence, because no one can visit/arrest you in that manner if not God.

Very well, we'll see how it turns out tomorrow.

zendi:
LordReed (you're not my Shepherd), the story in the link goes to the heart of your question as to why Trump went to Saudi.
The weapons are to deter Iran and to stop Saudi from turning to Russia for the same.
Plus mega revenue for America.
The deal was sealed in that visit.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/20/us-saudi-arabia-seal-weapons-deal-worth-nearly-110-billion-as-trump-begins-visit.html&ved=2ahUKEwjqp_ujuczyAhVEy6QKHQ1BBuIQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0XxqAV3DQzV5XPjoTVa_r7

Between 2011 and 2015 10% of US arms exports was to Saudi and in 2016 Obama proposed a 115Billion dollar arms sales agreement with Saudi. Why do you think Trump's deal shows that oil is no longer a major consideration when those other facts don't?

happy200:
Good

Meanwhile if I am not arrested within 5mins of the start I will update the chat every 5mins after that till I am arrested. Meaning if I continue to update the chat I have not been arrested. I will do that until 1 hour is up, after which we shall conclude whether you succeeded in your objectives.

happy200:
i will give you WhatsApp number tomorrow, then we do it at 8:40pm. Is that okay?

8:40pm is perfect.

zendi:
1 "America's interests are varied not just oil but oil is major that is why Saudi is a key ally of (the America)".... LordReed

2 "Oil ceased to be major (interes) under Trump.".... Zendi

3 "If that is the case then why did Trump go to Saudi?".... LordRead
(As if oil is the only reason a US President would go to Saudi).

Now, LordRead (not my Shepherd ), the only thing I disagreed with in your original post was the word 'major', stating that that word was dethroned by the oil Supremacy America attained under President Trump.
However, nothing I said meant that oil ceased to be among those varied interests you mentioned.
'Ceased to be major' does not mean 'ceased to be among'. Nor does my term 'oil supremacy' mean absolute zero need to import even a drop of oil from Saudi. It simply means can no longer be blackmailed or held hostage because of oil.
Let me tell you something you don't know about the oil trade; Even if America is drowning in own oil output, some American refineries may still find need to go for the Saudi or even Nigerian grade crude more compatible with the refineries designed and build the era of heavy dependence on externally sourced crude. Nigerian and Saudi cruces are among the best grade, I think for ease of refining.
So, oil may remain among those varied interests but has lost the 'major' status. Albeit cordial relations remained.

Me I don't understand how your second largest oil trading partner is not a major concern for your oil/energy industry. Sure there's a glut in the market because of the lockdowns but that only happened in 2020/2021 before that oil imports were well above half a million barrels per day and had even increased over the past decade. How you're claiming that Saudi's oil is no longer a major concern for the US is what I am struggling to understand. Can you provide proper context because going by figures I see this still looks like a major concern for the US.

triplechoice:
It may appear so but I didn't set out to downplay the importance of using medications or any form of approved therapy to manage depression. It would be irresponsible for me to discourage anyone from accessing Medicare. Also,prayer alone as solution, is not what I should be found promoting.

I only wanted him to understand that the perfect picture he seems to be painting about atheism should be discarded. That atheism also comes with its own problems too. Atheist , unlike the theist , are not shy from admitting this.

He should tell it the way it is. Atheist admit that they are humans like everyone else and being an atheist doesn't give you any advantage or provide some special treat once you become you. But of course, one knows better than those who do believe and are afraid to question it all.

After " accusing" others severally on this board of using deception to lure people into joining their group, he has still gone ahead to do the same thing. And I wonder why? Hence my response.

And it wasn't a matter of me insisting that the theist position is better or superior in any way, but that both positions have their own limitations something he was unwilling to admit

I agree. Becoming an atheist doesn't provide you any special advantages, if anything you become acutely aware of all the limitations of yourself and the universe around you.

kingxsamz:
Abeg, after everything, let us know the result of his clonwery.

kingxsamz:
Hw fa... Be like say I go join too. You're very bold.

LoL. Abeg join o, make no be only me him go arrest. LMFAO!

happy200:
If you say 1hr is enough for you to confirm his existence, for me it's ok.

But please you need someone beside you. The reason is, he will place the phone on you while i pray for your release. Thank you

Sure I will have people beside me who can attest to any occurrence.

FreeIgboho:
That's the point, we have no way of knowing the true nature of reality, so you can't go about saying God does not exist. YOU DON'T KNOW!!

I agree the universe is vast and we don't know if gods could be existing somewhere or somehow however I know that the god the Christians, Muslims and Jews believe in does not exist or more succinctly I have sufficient evidence that gives me confidence that such a god does not exist.

Hismasterpiece:
Isn't existence evidence enough?

When you see the stars, the moon, the sky, creation in general doesn't common sense tell you that it is somebody that put all those things there?

Have you ever seen anything that wasn't created? Buildings don't build themselves. Cars don't make themselves. Using that same logic this world didn't make itself. And thus the evidence for a creator.

There are many things that form without a creator. Mountains for instance have several natural processes that cause their formation. That something exists is not enough evidence for a personal anthropomorphic creator.

happy200:
If you are ready, let's do it 8:40pm Nigerian time tomorrow. Cos i'm working today and i don't have WhatsApp but i will get everything ready before then.

Ok sounds good. Lemme know when you setup so I can join you.

happy200:
Arrest. I mean you will remain unconscious until people around you beg me to release you and only me can release you else you remain like that forever.

After your experience i promise, you will never ever doubt God's existence. That is all i want to prove to you.

How soon after we start will the arrest take place?

If this arrest happens let it be for 1hr.

A001:
How do you handle depression as an atheist, especially during the times of illness/sickness, financial struggle, and when living alone at such times?

I try to focus on all the things that are important to me and the love of my family. Do not underestimate how much having someone just hug you with love and no agenda can help you get a grip. If you are living alone then good conversations with loved ones can be a substitute or even a hangout with good friends can help.

We live in a world that continues to throw challenges at us, we must learn to accept it and work with it. One is is that just as there are bouts of challenges there are also bouts of good fortune, take everything as there come and try to enjoy the experience.

triplechoice:
You're sounding like a religious person or still think like one.

You cannot claim to be mentally free when you're dogmatically invested in a particular ideology .

The atheistic position is an ideology of its own and it has its limitations.. It is not a perfect position.

Atheist have their own worries too. We know they are prone to depression. That is not to say the religious are not . Everyone is. But for the Atheist, when it happens, it usually end in suicide or a life of continual dependence on antidepressants to maintain sanity. The figures are out there if you want to confirm.

It is not common for the deeply religious to have this problem. They rely on an external agency (imaginary or not) which has been demonstrated to provide psychological relief more better than any antidepressants .

Believing in a god in times of trouble can
provide psychological relief and help to remove from one's mind the weight of the burden worries place on it.

Please don't misled people by making promises which are not tenable so they can join your "religion" .It is why I already said you still think like a religious person. Understand first , what you're into before asking others to join you.

Concerning scamming by pastors, everyone can be scammed. Religious people are not the only ones that can be scammed. We can easily see others being scammed and mock them and not when we ourselves are being scammed.

A scammer takes advantage of your ignorance to scam you and you, yourself ,are ignorant of so many things .So you're still susceptible.



And again,non of us can act or think completely free of bias. As long as you hold on to a particular viewpoint, you cannot help it. Your biases would reveal itself, at some point, without you realising it. So don't boast.

Finally, atheism is not synonymous with courage. There are courageous religious people who "courageously" defend their faith.

Most people
becoming atheist these days, are yet to fully understand the atheistic position and what it entails. The allure of personal freedom is what is pushing most into it. Which is a good thing.

But freedom comes with certain responsibility. Are you ready?

You are correct in most of your assessments but you make it sound like taking medication for mental issues is a bad thing. I'd much prefer to take medication than live in a delusion that there are unseen enemies all around me. People do all manner of dangerous and tragic things under such a delusion. Won't they be better off receiving treatment instead of plunging their loved ones into chaos?

happy200:
Ok, few questions: how long do you want God to arrest you for you to believe that he exists?, 2. I don't know you in person but i will request that you come and testify here about your experience after we are done.

Finally: i'm ready any day any time.
Let me get WhatsApp number and we start.
All i want to do is pray with you asking God to show himself for you to identify that he exists on chat. That's all.
Thank you

What do you mean by arrest?

If what you describe happens I will surely come on here to say it.

Hismasterpiece:
when you atheists say evidence what do you mean?

For me it means incontrovertible facts that point solely to a particular cause. I have experienced, heard and seen lots of things that are claimed to be of the supernatural bent but on closer inspection turn out to be completely natural or in part unexplained.

FreeIgboho:
But becoming an atheist, though comforting, makes u a close minded person. It takes away the most Important and most fundamental stetement: "I may be wrong".
As I wrote above: We don't know, and have no way of knowing the true nature of reality. And what we know is likely not up to a millionth of what there is to know

Wrong. I say I may be wrong all the time and remain willing to be proved wrong at any time.

Meanwhile concerning your moniker, it may interest you to note that I saw all the charms Igboho's supporters carried at the time of their arrest on display in Panti police station. Those charms did nothing to help them.

FreeIgboho:
1) You obviously did not read my sceenshot. They concluded there is more to us than just our physical bodies. There is no field that all experts agree

2) I never asked you to accept anything. You are the one saying definitely there is no supernatural. I said previously we don't know, and have no way of knowing the true nature of reality, and that we likely don't know up to a millionth of what there is to know

While I agree in most part with what you say here, I do have to say though that unexplained doesn't equal supernatural. That was a time thunder and lightning were unexplained, it didn't make them supernatural.

happy200:
just WhatsApp chat, and the prayer/conversation/what happened to you. All will have chatted history on WhatsApp. If the people around you decided to video you and show me what is happening to you.

I am not sure a chat thread would properly capture what you are proposing. I suggest we do a zoom call that can be recorded and uploaded to YouTube.

If you insist on WhatsApp chat I am still game.

BTW I don't believe in your god nor do I believe you have any powers that can affect me over the Internet.

Let me know when you want us to do this.

FreeIgboho:
Not necessarily. Many things continued for thousands of years that were false - worship of gods like Zeus, etc and miracles by them, world was flat and center of the universe for thousands of years, etc.

On the other hand, hopefulLandlord and kingxsamz, how do you explain the following?:

I looked into the Shanti Devi case but could only find sparse details. It is a very interesting case and I will continue to look into it but sincerely I have no explanation for such an occurance. However, it doesn't still make me think of spirits, instead it makes me think that our thoughts and brain patterns are a part of the universe and can inadvertently be replicated somewhere else. This doesn't require the existence of a spiritual realm, quantum mechanics can explain such a transfer. These are my speculations and have no evidence so take it for what it is.

As for Sugar Ray's experience, I don't find that remarkable in the sense that we all have dreams that bear resemblance to real world events but more often than not our dreams are just a jumble of images that have no real world significance. If dreams where some sort of spiritual instant messenger then we would have more accurate and significant dreams that match with reality. Besides what Sugar Ray dreamed and what he did were not beyond his capacity to achieve so why think that because he dreamed it the dream or so calles spiritual realm caused it to happen.

Hismasterpiece:
Let me tell you of an experience i had a while ago.

One night after i had my bath i lay down on my bed to sleep.

The lights were off and i was the only one in the room.

After lying down for about 10 minutes or so something happened... something i can never forget.

All of the sudden from out of nowhere i felt somebody rub my shoulder (in the same way a lover would rub your shoulder... romantically)

I screamed and jumped out of my bed.. and when i turned on the torch to look i saw that there was nobody there.

But till this day i am convinced that somebody touched me that day... i can never forget and have never forgotten.

Ever since that day i have been aware of the fact that we are not alone on this earth... there are people with us that we just can't see with our natural eyes... real people... invisible people

What do you have to say about this my experience?

Easy to explain cos it happens to me a lot. The edge of your pillow or pillow case was what brushed your shoulder. It feels shockingly delightful when it happens and feels very intimate too.

happy200:
Good evening all, this is a thread for people who don't believe that God exists.

First let me tell you and make it clear to you in this thread that God exists completely with all his powers and prooves.

About me, i believe that i'm blessed with power from God, but i have never used this power simply because i felt that lots of people have abused God's power and i don't want to mix things.
So i just kept this power secret.
Lately I asked myself that why should i just have this power and die with it without just using it for at least one simple thing.

Hence i'm ready to just use it and prove to only people who don't believe God exists.

Follow the step: i will give you Saul experience so that after you have recovered, you will realize that God exists.

Step 1: i will try and get WhatsApp
Step 2: i will pray with you on WhatsApp, any where you are in the World.
Step 3 :get at least 2 people around you because you will be arrested, and you won't be able to chat with me then, tell them what you are doing, because they will continue with me until you are freed.

I just want you to repent and serve God with prove that he exists.
Thank you
Ask any question

Is this going to be a video call or voice call or just chat?

Trump Supporter: I trust everything Trump says.
Trump: I took the vaccine.
Trump Supporter: Nope I don't trust that.

zendi:
I said oil ceased to be the major interest of America (Trump era), in Saudi Arabia.
I did not say that friendly relations between the two nations ended with the end of oil dependency. As you said, America's interests are many.

For instance, both nations, plus Israel, more than other forces, want to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Saudi and Iran are in ancient sectarian cum political rivalry. If Iran is not stopped, Saudi will embark on her own nuclear program for deterrence.
America with other nations wants to stop nuclear proliferation.

Secondly, if you're President and want good relations with the Muslim world, where better to start your diplomacy than in Saudi, the spiritual headquarters of the Muslim world ?

You do realise that the US still imports from Saudi right? About 7.9million barrels per day as at 2018 when Trump was still president, you think he could have ignored that aspect for other things?

Righteousness2:
This teaches Carnally minded folks that The Spirtual is stronger than the Physical.

It will take another who has a higher understanding of the Spiritual to put things in order.

In this Journey of Life , if you are Carnally minded, you stand the risk of being a casualty or Victim of so many Nonsense.

Having a Genuie relationship with JESUS and an Understanding of who and what you are in Him makes you in Charge.

Yeah that's why none of you spiritually minded people never encounter any misfortune. Stop deceiving yourself, you are just as susceptible to the vagaries of life as the next man.