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shadeyinka:
Hell is a place where useless rubbish are dumped and forgotten!

Hehe hehe, by the so called loving god who can't have people who don't love him. An abusive domineering personality, is it any wonder ⅓ of the angels don't want to be near him. LMAO!

budaatum:
Many will be troubled by the Christness of this atheist and the unChristness of the so called believing theist, but would not say so least they be misunderstood, yet can not deny the fruits they see with their eyes and the conviction of the Holy Ghost in their hearts.

May they encounter the mud and pool of Siloam.

budaatum:
It is precisely because you reveal what I say that I wrote it in such a complex way knowing you'd see right through me my Lord.

You know it is not revealed to most that I blame religion for your enlightening.

LoL! I concur.

budaatum:
My Lord, you do still use the lens of fairytales to look at life. The difference is you never used to look at life at all with your lenses and believed you looked and saw instead. If you consider the numerous believers, both theists and atheists you discuss with, you may understand

You and many others are products of your religious studies but you can't still see how it has made you who you are. And the funny thing is that's because you are still using the belief you had in the fairytales of religion to look at life instead of seeing life with the understanding you gained from the fairytales of religion. The effect is you think you see life, but you do not understand that you are looking through murky glass.

So instead of blaming religion for not using your lenses my Lord, be responsible and admit you were silly for believing instead of understanding the book of fairytales. You'd have been equally silly if you had believed Aesop's fairytales or Things Fall Apart or a Physics textbook.

When you understand you will actually appreciate how well your eyes work, because, your eyes do work very well, thanks to your religious studies, but you just don't yet know how well you see nor do you understand that religion opened your eyes by making you disbelieve so you'd ask and knock and seek with all your hear and soul and mind and being until you found and were set free.

Now, if this isn't a right proper head twisting conundrum I have set before you my Lord.

It must seem like I am blaming religion my dear buda but I would have assumed you know me better than to do that. If anything I reveal exactly what you say.

shadeyinka:
Exactly!
That is why He has allowed LordReed to choose. You get what you have desired a place devoid of God

Yeah the hell concept where he tortures his opponents, such a narcissistic god.

Dtruthspeaker:
Just as you do not care about the viruses running around in your laptop, phones, TVs etc disturbing many softwares snd hardwares and even Killing some of them, inside these things,

Therefore, by your answer you have no further reasonable questions and thus, it is settled!

I don't care about virus because I don't want them so I guess your god doesn't care because he doesn't want the people who are suffering. QED.

The only way not believing in religion changed me was allow me to stop using the lens of fairytales to look at life.

Dtruthspeaker:
That is the Difference between A Creator and his creations vs. creations and creations.

It is Always at the Pleasure, instance and Right of A Creator to attend to the needs of a creation exactly as it is Only when it pleases you to fix and repair your damaged car, phone or laptop that you would exercise your power over it!

Unlike creations to creations, Buhari is like an Alternator who does not have a choice but to charge the battery and power all the components of the vehicle called Nigeria, It is his True Job!

Yes your god is a nonchalant absentee creator who doesn't give a flying rat's arse if people are suffering and dying, we get it.

shadeyinka:
That's my point.. you won't impose your viewpoints on them till they can reason which is the most dangerous time for them especially from an authority figure who is responsible, revered, respected and trusted (as I can see from the video you share).

It is more dangerous to indoctrinate children because they have no tools yet to critically examine what they are being indoctrinated with.

If I were you as a father, my duty is to help my children to become wise. Wisdom is an all-round knowlege of how to. This must certainly include the area of faith except we want to fool ourselves. In that way, it's much easier to free our children from the discipline of going to church (when they could be watching TV) or fearing God (when they could live without fear of consequence) etc.

All of that can be achieved without religious instruction. This fear that atheists want to live without fear of consequence is a lie that you tell yourselves because you are afraid of taking responsibility. I teach my children to be responsible and disciplined without any threats of eternal punishment and I can see the effect. They are well behaved even as they children and are prone to childish errors.

It is far much easier to be faithless than to be faithful. One required discipline and other requires nothing.

No, it is far easier to depend on the structure built on the tyrannical strictures of a supposed eternal Big Brother than it is to place your own destiny in your own hands and mind.

I have no problems with any Atheists desiring to marry a true Christian. But I have a strong aversion for a true Christian desiring to marry even a non committed Christian not to speak of an Atheist who is at the extreme end of unbelieving.

This separation is what you Abrahamic religious fanatics use to create this conflicted world we live in. In time past nobody heard of religious wars but with advent of Christianity, Islam and to a lesser extent Judaism, religious conflict became the driver for even more societal disruption. Your stance on marriage is indicative of this disruptive effect you guys perpetrate.

shadeyinka:
You asked the question refering to God having the power to change the Atheist



Should God force LordReed to live with Him for eternity (simply because he married a Christian)?
That would be an eternity of miserable existence for you wouldn't it?

I didn't ask you that question, that was someone else.

If a god exists that can make me live for eternity what does it subtract from him to let me eternally make my own choices even if it means not living with him? Is he an insecure abusive personality that can't stand to bear that someone doesn't choose him?

Despite all the many prayers to sky daddy with cosmic powers, the heavens are silent. It's a pity to hope in fairytales.

OlayemiAshraf:
Are you telling me that some of the remaining dapchi girls aren't virgin too ??....... Statistically speaking , she chosed to made herself a "war spoil"" ....

She didn't choose to be war spoil, these are the vagaries of life that belief in a sky daddy will not inoculate you from.

MaxInDHouse:
Children develops mentally, physically, emotionally and spiritually, experts assert that training them even before they're born is essential!

Yes, I'll train them to have useful life skills.

shadeyinka:
Revision of school work in preparation for exams AND good PR job to convince people of how harmless you are.

I wish I could hear you teach the miracles of Jesus especially to your older children. At this age, Santa Claus stories are told children...don't you think so?

I just wanted to show you that I don't need to start telling my children this or that story isn't real, they are not ready for that neither will I force viewpoints on them when they can not yet reason. You guys on the other hand do the opposite because you are insecure.

shadeyinka:
It will be highly unjust for God to force any man who rejects Him to now have to be with Him for all eternity!

God doesn't force people to love Him. Love can't be forced. It has to be given freely.

How does this connect with what I wrote?

shadeyinka:
No sir!

I assume an atheist will wish to communicate what he considers as the TRUTH!

Do you think that a truthful Atheist will communicate bible stories as REAL?
With a truthful Atheist say that Jesus healed the sick, raised the dead and cast out demons?

An atheist will rather report bible stories like the story of Santa Claus!

Meanwhile:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQwvv5DbOBY

shadeyinka:
Nothing is impossible!
It is even possible that an atheist encounter Jesus by himself.

However, because GOD doesn't compel anyone to know Him, the probability is not certain. Even with 1% unconvertion probability can do a great damage

Good so I hope you shelve the arguments where you come and say something has very low chance of happening therefore god.

Image123:
Lol, if you have the real Holy Spirit. You'll not feel all these suffering. There's a peace that passes understanding and an unexplainable joy. You must have read of it.

This is a denial of reality. Even Jesus was said to have felt the suffering and anguish. You guys are really something.

Image123:
No need to answer altar call 20x a year if you received power to be a child of God. Jesus Christ came to save you FROM sin, not just to continue forgiving you 20x a year. Such a person is ignorant and shortchanging himself.

SMH.

shadeyinka:
No sir!

I assume an atheist will wish to communicate what he considers as the TRUTH!

Do you think that a truthful Atheist will communicate bible stories as REAL?
With a truthful Atheist say that Jesus healed the sick, raised the dead and cast out demons?

An atheist will rather report bible stories like the story of Santa Claus!

Assumptions make an ass out of u and me. Stop assuming what you know nothing about. Do you think every atheist is out there doing evangelism like you guys? Do you think every atheist is eager to convert others.

In telling my children stories I do not need to specify if it is real or not, they are still children but as they grow up they'll develop critical thinking skills to figure out stuff for themselves. I guess you'd disdain evolution to your kids so you think atheists would do the same. Unlike you, I am not insecure in the things I hold as true. If my children wish to contend them I would not become wroth and begin to threaten them will eternal punishment, they'll be be free to contend anything with me when they are old enough to live their own lives.

sonmvayina:
Death does not mean anything to God. Remember he drowned the entire world and save only a handful of persons...

Yeah, it is apparent.

Image123:
Nope, He's got a different perspective, eternity and judgement. Death is basically an exit to eternity. You don't believe in eternity and judgement that's why you feel so aggrieved and inconsolable.

Yeah suffering is so easy and pleasant because to your god it's a blip in time. Nevermind the conscious creatures enduring the suffering, they are insignificant and their pain is nothing.

Image123:
Reed, consistently disobeying the Word of God means you do not believe it or fear the God. Divorce is against the will and Word of God, everyone knows that except when they want to twist a clear and direct thing. Sin is terrible, it can hinder Jesus Christ Himself from God the Father. Disobeying God can lead to the expulsion of the only two humans on earth. If i divorce or commit sin, i am no more a believer. It's as clear as holding a gun to a metal detector. It doesn't matter who holds it, it will read and detect. Nothing traumatizing about it.

SMH. Gosh, I am so glad I am no longer a believer. No wonder people will answer altar call 20x a year, this is enough to make people schizophrenic.

Image123:
Like i said, it's not best practice. Many fine believers are products of unbelieving parents. No believer divorces. It's not in the Word of God.

No true scotsman fallacy. None of the pastors who have divorced their wives are true believers according to you, same with the thousands of believers who have divorced. You guys are really terrible in this regard. You'll deny your own just to keep up with the narrative. And you wonder why people think religion is traumatising.

Image123:
This was followed closely by the gruesome martyred deaths of MOST of the early apostles. It still did not stop Him from being glorified. i don't know the lady in question asides being in the news. The ones that i know and know their Christian lives are here as examples.

Ok your god just likes to watch people get killed, got it.

shadeyinka:
Thanks for being at least fairly truthful with the questions
1. On question 1 : perfectly correct
2. He would certainly tell them how absurd belief in God is and except by some miracle the children are most certainly going to grow up as Atheist.
3. The Christian wife believe that God is just and thus will reward good and punish evil. The husband (like you) will present it as "an unproductive concept". And will say "if God will throw good people in hell, then He is an unjust God".

Now, lets assume for the sake of argument
1. There is no afterlife, no hell and no god. The Christian wife is wrong AND not even aware that she's wrong
2. If she's right and she's alive and conscious. The children are alive and conscious BUT in hell. I guess she'd be happy that at least she made it.


She's the real looser a true Christian who married an unbeliever

There no certainly when it comes to what an atheist will tell his/her children regarding religious beliefs. I have encountered several atheists who tell their children exactly what the Bible says and leave the children to draw their own conclusions. You are trying very hard to paint a scenario where atheists poison their children's minds against religious because that is exactly what you guys do when it's turned around. I for one have no intention of poisoning my children's minds against religion, when they are older and capable of reasoning things out for themselves, we'll probably discuss if it ever comes up.

This is part of the absurdity of the hell concept. So you are in heaven happy and will spare no thought for your loved ones in hell? Like who are you people? Do you even have empathy at all?

Image123:
The whole marriage is on a rough patch. It's a wise person partnering a fool, or as the Bible describes it, unequal yoke. It's not impossible, it is very common but never the best experience or best practice.

It is not rougher than what Christian couples encounter. Even your so called wise people still end up divorcing one another or other distressing acts.

shadeyinka:
Where is it written that a man or woman should not put his/her hands in fire?

Let me ask you some questions and I hope you can speak the truth
1. If the Christian wife dies, who should take over the custody of the young children?
2. Can the Atheist husband bring up the children to know God?
3. Is this not a big risk concerning something as great as her children ending up in the lake of fire?

Has she not put the eternity of her children in danger?

Don't start being absurd. You guys are the ones saying the children will be in danger because one parent is an unbeliever, when your bible clearly states the opposite. You guys are very well versed in twisting the Bible to suit your narratives so I am not surprised.

1. The atheist husband.

2. He probably will introduce them to the concepts of theism and religious ideas, he won’t ask them to become Christians if that is what you mean.

3. Hell is another of your unproductive concepts. He will teach them to be good people and that is worth more than any religious upbringing they could get. If your god will throw good people into the so called hell then he is an unjust god.

Image123:
Many factors come into play BTW. However let's start with the fact that God watched as His own Son was unjustly killed in the most gruesome manner. This was followed closely by the martyred deaths of MOST of the early apostles. It still did not stop Him from being glorified.

According to you guys your god sent his son to go and die, how is that cared to Uwa's death? Or are you saying he sent Uwa to be raped and killed?

shadeyinka:
That is when a Christian is ALREADY married to the unbelieving partner.

1Cor 7:13-16:
"And the woman [b]which has an husband that believes not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. [/b] For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God has called us to peace. For what know you, O wife, whether you shall save your husband? or how know you, O man, whether you shall save your wife?"

It's not saying that a Christian go marry an unbeliever but not to separate from him as a result of that.

Where is the caveat written that if you marry an unbeliever as a "true Christian" that your children will be in some type of danger?

adelekeolu:
NA THEM BE THIS: TEAM GAYS

Na dem be dis, Team Stupid.

What do you know heathen? We are trying to steer people off the path you’re on and you’re laughing. I pity your soul.

The children are not sanctified nor is the marriage. If the foundation is flawed, the building will not stand.

Bwahahaha! You now ran away hen you saw you are contradicting your own bible. LMAO!