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PastorOluT: Smile, atheist will definitely run from this thread 'cos circumcision gives credence to the bible n God.

JuanDeDios: Well, my own wondering - why did God create something, only to realise his error and demand a surgery immediately the child is born to correct things?

JuanDeDios: Well, my own wondering - why did God create something, only to realise his error and demand a surgery immediately the child is born to correct things?

loveroftruth: Ok, i see. this is the comment.

this @Emusan friend.

anyway, i just wanted to comfirm this post.

thank you all.

Yooguyz: I opened this thread specifically for people who have questions to ask about homosexuality and for gay christians to express themselves freely without any fear of insults from "christians". And yes for homophobes who want to come out, this thread is the right thread for you.
Now note that our ( NL LGBT) understanding and interpretation of homosexuality may vary. Its important you ask questions to clarify issues. But the beauty of the thread is that anyone and everyone is free to express themselves whether from a far left-wing point of view or from the far right or inbetween. You're all welcome.

Candour: @yooguyz, are you actually gay?

truthislight: How on earth is it possible for humans to reap and bunch/bundle and cast into the fire other humans while they are with them on earth ?

alexleo: I have said it before and I"m saying it again- the most important thing is the description that Jesus gave about hell or whatver you choose to call it. Its a horrible place to be. A place of torment. I don't care about any other thing you are saying about it. You can go ahead and preach no hell fire or no lake of fire or no eternal torment message. Those who know the truth will not believe you. Even if people believe you it doesn't stilI change anything. I don't interprete scriptures with sentiment.

alexleo: Bro, Jesus spoke about hell fire in Matthew 18:9 and Mark 9:47.

alexleo: Jesus spoke about hell fire in many places in the bible. He warned us seriously about it. We will believe Jesus more than you. We don't need your interpretations about it. The words of Jesus about the torments of hell are clear for all to understand. If you like call the church babylon or anything you like, we couldn't be bothered. The words of Jesus about hell fire does not need any church's interpretation for us to understand it. They are clear statements.

trustman: I'm not quite sure of what you are getting at here but one of the things to be put in perspective in looking at Bible verses or passages is CONTEXT.

The body we have now is limited and subject to a number of things. There will be a FUTURE time when those limitations will be removed.

1 Cor 15: 53-54:
"53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
54 When the 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."

It is God who WILL work this out in His time. There are some things that are inevitable for now on earth. There are those things the believer HOPES for in eternity. Part if this hope are the things that will be "no more".

God's work in each believer's life is always for his BEST whether 'good' or 'bad'. 16 So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day.
17 For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison,( 2 Cor. 4:16,17)

trustman: I agree that there are obviously things that are still for the future including this which you posted earlier:
"And God will wipe away every tear from their (believers') eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things (including sickness and ill-health) have passed away" (Rev. 21: 4).

What should be noted is "God will..." or "God shall...". This forms part of the believer's HOPE.

BabaGnoni: I agreed to disagree

besides the fact that I am also strong
conflict is unnecessary or undesirable for me at the moment

Having mentioned that, now where has God promised a problem free life (i.e. a guaranteed health)

Garden of Eden is an outpost (i.e. a place to guard against surprise attacks)

Besides Gen 1:28 is a blessing with a prophetic slant

Where you got "...perpetually in Eden..." equally beats me

The fact and truth of the matter is that, God never promised a problem free life on earth
If He did, Eve would never had to grapple with the serpent in a problem of fight of the minds
She falls at the first problem hurdle
Overwhelmed by the first problem challenge in spite of the control Adam put in place
(e.g. the "if we touch we will die" control when what God said was if you eat you'll die)

No sir, you do err.
Contrary to what you think is a vain opinion as far as scriptures are concerned
and what you wrote after that the "vain opinion" thought sir,
trouble and struggling did not start after Adam sinned or when God cursed.
We are sticking to the topic and we are posting only what the bible says, and we do not speak into scriptures

Problem Trouble was already lurking on earth before it sneaked into Eden and crept on to Eve

Ah. Facepalm. "New Jerusalem".
OK, where did "New Jerusalem" pop out from?
Out of Hell, from Heaven or out of thin air by means of some abracadabra?

BabaGnoni: ^^^
I agree to all above

BabaGnoni: [size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON F2: GUARANTEED HEALTH[/size]

BabaGnoni: God never promised or guaranteed a problem free life on earth

BabaGnoni: but rather God said to them to subdue it, overcome it or bring it under control[/coor]
(i.e. God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it - Genesis 1:28)

BabaGnoni: In like manner, [color=red]God never dangled the prospect of guaranteed health to/for anyone on earth

BabaGnoni: The only time God guarantees health is in heaven, where there are no or will not be disease, sickness etc (i.e. Revelation 21:4)

BabaGnoni: And he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes,
and from now on there shall not be death, neither grieving, nor clamor,
neither shall there be disease again, for the former things have pass away..
- Revelation 21:4

BabaGnoni: I REST MY CASE ON F2, FOR NOW.

[size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON [i]F2: GUARANTEED HEALTH[/size]

arsenalwenger: Typical of JW, confuse them and wind them down with argument and inconsistent proof. The link you provided have no correlation or justification or 1914. 1914 is a fraud only accepted by JW as a basis to enforce their official doctrine.

Christ said that all power that is in heaven, on earth and underneath the earth has been given to him immediately after his ressurection. He didnt have to wait until 1914 to get that done. Read your bible alone and ask God for inspiration to direct you. You are only telling me what the watchtower wants you to tell me. Wathctower is very wrong here. I wonder why you chose to believe and spread falsehood.

hisblud: @jman: i stated this

Your reply:

Then i replied



Are you game jman?

hisblud: easy easy. You people are mixing prediction and warning up.


Warning have an element of repentance attached to it while a prediction must occur whether their is repentance or not.


Taking the story of jonah above, it falls under warning and they repented thus the wrath of God did not occur but the return of Yahshua is a prediction that will occur whether people repent or not.

Read this for your enjoyment



now lets take the failed prediction of your prophet on 1914 what we had there was a prediction which MUST occur whether people repent or not and not a warning. Today we are in 2013 and trouble has not ended. Thus we can thus say your prophets were FALSE PROPHETS becos what they predicted has not come to pass. Jman is in full agreement that your prophets' prophecy na lie.

obxddon: My Brother you are very correct with your writings here....but first do note that the bible itself says that the truth gets brigther and brighter each day..when Rutherford made that statement his understanding of the bible and the truth had not gone far the way it is now....and one of the sole aim of building that house was for him to rest after he came out of prison an has health issues.But he said that the building would be a place for the princes to stay when they come based on his wrong calculation at that time..But note he was never a false prophet.

A few years after Brother Rutherford’s death, the board of directors of the Watch Tower Society decided to sell Beth-Sarim. Why? “The Watchtower” of December 15, 1947, explained: “It had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep; our faith in the return of the men of old time whom the King Christ Jesus will make princes in ALL the earth (not merely in California) is based, not upon that house Beth-Sarim, but upon God’s Word of promise

At the time, it was believed that faithful men of old times, such as Abraham, Joseph, and David, would be resurrected before the end of this system of things and would serve as “princes in all the earth,” in fulfillment of Psalm 45:16. This view was adjusted in 1950, when further study of the Scriptures indicated that those earthly forefathers of Jesus Christ would be resurrected after Armageddon

hisblud: ignorant of prediction or warning Was 1914 prediction not a prediction?


what is this, prediction or warning?



so if you tell me that there is danger ahead, will you not be warning me?

clear as warning them.

yes nothing happened becos of repentance which God saw and withdrew His wrath.

hisblud: what do you understand by this if am lying?

pls answer me, na

hisblud: i dont add to prediction nor warnings

hisblud: sure, he gave the people warning not prediction.

hisblud: ok what they said was it prediction or warning?

hisblud: oboy so you are not christians. Jman you see ko