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true2god: @ JMAN05, r u a christian or a JW? I have asked this questiom earlier and i didnt get any reaponse frm u.

Jw are not part of any other organized religion.

They are just on their own, not affiliated with any other group.

But they love all men as can be seen by the fact that they carry the msg of hope and promises of everlasting life to them in their houses all over the world, giving people an oppurtunity to gain the greatest gift of all, 'everlasting life'.

This they do free of charge.

JMAN05: Thanks. but we preach christ's presence. though i ve stated that it wont be good to keep repeating what we have jettisoned, some still bring it up.

I do ignore some reponses that dont sound serious. It is true that many are not sincere, but some of the things they are saying are true, not just allegations. it is only sad how they dont apply that method in what their pastors teach them. If you paste their own errors now, they will deny it. well it is to their detriment. If you see a gutter and tell urself that it is not gutter, who will eventially fall into it? that becomes one deceiving himself.

It is true we never say the day and the hour, but the issue is, Did you foretell what later failed? Yes. the truth is there, even if you pretend it didnt happen, you ve not changed anything.

The gov body too admits it, so should we. the only sad thing is that the people we are talking with cant be this sincere in their own teachings.

Yes, the organisation explained the expectation of a heavenly life in 1914, true the organisation said that those expectations where misplaced then as the calculation marked christ presence.

However, you are being told that you went against Jesus words that the "Day and Hour" no one knows, which is false, since the GB never for once said their calculation has any thing to do with day and hour.

After such misapplication of God's word/Jesus words, they now accused you of being a fales prophet, meanwhile, their application of Jesus words are out of Contest and Jw never claimed to have received a prophesy from God.

The issue here is that, what some of those posting those dates are doing is simple propaganda and are never looking for the truth.

The truth is, earlier Jw did make us of cross, celebrated christmas, and many other things that are common today befor they put a stop to it, why dont they also make issues out of all those that the JW also left behind ?

Well, its a free world

hisblud: am interested, will be receiving sum jw guys, will like to try them on that and see how they answer.

You are doing the wisest thing, comfirming/hearing from both parties is always the course of wisdom not taking propaganda to the bank.

italo: Are you saying Jesus didn't speak out against false prophets like you?

He did!

I see, maybe that is why you could not defend Doctrinal issues biblically.

try69: To understand the bible in "context" and not just literally, one needs to study a little bit of history (languages, cultures, norms) of the times before, during and after christ.

Scripture which my dear friend claimed JW's understanding and interpretation of is not inspired, makes me wonder and I asked a question he has refused to answer- how do JW's believe the interpretation of scripture is achieved? This forms a great debate between early theologians of the catholic and orthodox churches till date..(I can only deduce mathematics from the failed russell and co end time prophecy)

JW end time prediction could have failed from the fact that the use of timing in the bible could peharps be figurative.

When you create doctrines out of parts of scriptures, you should first of ask yourself if it does not disaffirm the fundamentals of the christian faith.

Literal interpretation and disaffirmation in interpretation of the fundamentals of christ-likeness in scriptural understanding is the sole reason why history(culture, norms, traditions, languages e.t.c) can never be exempted from context in scriptural discernment.

Literal interpretation examples are so numerous, from pluck out your eye if it cause you to sin to it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.. are clear cases to suggest the depth unto which some other parts of scripture should be acclaimed "figurative".

Now how do you disaffirm the fundamentals of christ-likeness (christianity i.e like christ)?

Remember the story of the adoultrous woman? He who is without sin should cast the first stone? Or the parable of the lost sheep? The parable of the prodigal son? All these center on how christ would treat a sinner, and now if I say i want to be christ-like, do I cross to the other side of the road when i see the brother I have judged(even if judgement is for God) a sinner?
Or speak not to him even while I accept him in my midst(like the pharisees)? Did christ eat with the tax collectors(sinners) or not?

I once read a story by a man God delivered from the organization called Jw and almost cried. How he was not allowed to speak to his own daughter because she fornicated.. Thank God he is delivered of the bondage called JW.

When I said bla bla bla..it was actually meant to avoid such epistles because the false prophecies of your founding fathers are proof that they would have come up with fascinating and conflicting doctrines which of course is of a confusing spirit.

Have you asked yourself why the whole of christianity is not with the JWs? Your guess is as good as mine.

Abeg shift ! Make you no rob me shite.

i think am Getting sick with with christian propaganda.

If atheist or such kind people are to be doing such, it will not have been surprising.

But christians doing such Na wa !

Will Jesus be doing such ?

try69: *I teach something(A) today

After a while,

*i found A to be misleading, wrong (you say mistake) and change my stance to B

After a while yet again

*i go back to A(I earlier adjudged mistake) citing B to be a mistake

Round-robin

When the same mistakes are repeated, it's called confusion.

Which kind clearer light light doesn't get clear by the day, light shines every other day

You are just a hypocrite !

Catholic church collected and demanded for tithe befor, does that mean that tithing is for christians ?
Is it then a bad thing for those that once preached tithing to change and stop preaching it ? Your answer please.

woky: sorry to say this, You ar not honest

You can say that again.

Those that copy falsehood from disfellowship Jw to post here are the honest ones abi ?

It is Italo that is honest abi ?

This your statement here is the honest one abi ?

You that is honest, was Jesus words not "day and Hour" ? Answer and shame the father of lies and proove you have not been deceived by him. Am waiting for you to show that Jesus words was not "Day and Hour", if you dont, we then Know the liars.

Am waiting.

true2god: U r one of the few honest JWs i have seen recently. Of course we human can make mistakes, but its another thing to admit the error and learn frm it.

Ok my question to u is, since most of the years fixed (1925, 1935---berth sarim, 1975---armageddon, 1984---forever will shall live on paradise earth, where it was taught that generation that experience WW1 will not die before armagedon) earlier by the JW had been admitted as mistakes (dnt wanna use error), dont u think that their 1914 is also a mistake that JW dnt wanna jettison.

Note that for all those years i listed, JWs admitted they make mistakes and are not perfect (note that WTS never still admitted that they make any mistake, but members admit). So my question to u is this, since the watchtower society (WTS) used a special calculation (only knwn to dem) to arrive at 1925, 1935, 1975 and 1984 (1914+'70) and all these years were confirmed false given their escatholigical teachings, dont u think that 1914 is also false? If 1914 is also false (as 99% of xtains belief), y is WTS still holdin unto it as an official year of christ's invisible presence (tho' the Bible didnt not teach any invisible presence)?

Pls clarify.

can you show evidence from a PDF document that some of those dates relates to Jw for a start ?

Why not add 2000 ?

What has those to do with "day and hour" ?

If Jw show you any info, do you ever care to ask them to verify it to you ?

Oh! You will not, since your love for the scriptures are not strong enough.

Still, it is a shame that none of you can take up a Jw on their doctrin as it were, hence the propaganda.

Be a man and introduce a topic on any of what the Jw preach from house to house like the ones i posted up there and see how the bible will show you how off from the scriptures you are and hence, believing in falsehood.

The most honest and scincere bible students are the ones constantly ensuring that they align themselves with what the bible says.

What loyal set of people they are, that they dont let pride to cloud their bible beliefs and study.

true2god: @JMAN05, can a non-JW (who is a christian and fears God a lot) marry a JW?

Do you read your bible at all ?

@Jman05

you are trying your best here, but it is obviouse that you are not in a position to address some of what is being posted here as you are unable to seperate facts from fiction.
You are a honest guy, and honest people can always see the honesty of the JW in their search of God's word.

Take note that most of the dates that is being posted here have nothing to do with Jw and certain accusations here are plain false hood.

That some decide to type 1880, 1900, 1914, 1935, 1960, 1975, 1980, 2000 does not make it true because you have 1914 in the list.

The Jw preach about God's kingdom, does not mean that they preach dates, the bible chronology is their own excersis to enhance understanding of all aspects of what the scriptures says.

Though the Jw sees 1914 as the beginning of christ presence, do they preach that as they knock on peoples houses ? No, but it is well documented and will be shown to bible lovers and it builds faith in God and the bible. That the semi atheist you see here go to ati JW web sight and copy and pest information does not make it true.

For a start, Jw have done nothing wrong for saying this is what we see from the bible.

The words of Jesus says 'DAY' and 'HOUR' no one knows, and Jw naver said this day or that hour anywhere befor, so, all what they are doing here is simple Jealousy and hatrade for this bible students.

If i see any imformation or chronology from the bible and publish it, it is now a crime for speaking what i see ? Wao!

So, Jman, let any of them post a doctrin that the JW preach about from house to house like

"No hell fire, no trinity, soul is not Immortal, all righteouse persons are not going to heaven" etc.

They think that if they can propergate scandal on the head of JW, then, Jw will not preach again, whose interest are they serving ?

So, learn to ignore some baseless accusations when you see them.

Anybody that wants to know about 1914 date, should welcome the next Jw that knocks on their doors which they will surely do, and ask what 1914 is all about, and see the bible based calculation for himself.

Propagander is not suposed to be a 'true christian' thing.

woky: i dnt understand.

why not hear from the horses mouth by carrying out your personal research to see if the date is biblical ?

Or, what happend on that day ?

Be a berean student.

italo: It is no prayer. It was a prophecy that Jesus would come in 1914.

And it was false.

This one is also doctrinal matter. It was one of your teachings until Jesus disgraced you then you lied again that he had come invisibly.

More doctrinal issues are coming.

1914 was not a Jw prophesy, but telling people about what they have found in the bible.

Jw dont have their personal prophesy rether than what they see from the 66 books.

italo: It is no prayer. It was a prophecy that Jesus would come in 1914.

And it was false.

This one is also doctrinal matter. It was one of your teachings until Jesus disgraced you then you lied again that he had come invisibly.

More doctrinal issues are coming.

sorry, it is not false.

it is there in their book yellow book "what does the bible really teach", the calculation of 1914. Ask them and get the significance of that year.
It is all there in the bible, the calculation.

italo: But your people lied that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would come to earth in 1925.

Why did you people lie to us?

Or have they come and gone invisibly, like your Jesus?

Like i have said befor, i dont have facts to conclude that they did such.

If Rutherford did that, then he may had had over anxiouse expectation as it were, but asking and wishing for the kingdom of God to come can never, i repeat it can never be a bad thing.

I for one have a very strong anxiouse expectation in my life time for it to come, afteral, life everlasting no be joke

true, i find it hard to pray without including and asking for that kingdom to come.

All genuine lover of Yahweh does, because that kingdom as it is called will restore God's rulership and clears all reproach from the name of God.

*May thy Kingdom come God!

May this days be cut short like christ said.*

italo: You're claiming it is the Bible that said the 1914 generation would witness Armageddon? !

Then in 1975, when the Bible saw that the 1914 had died out, it suddenly changed its story.

You know am not playing hide and seek with you, and i did not say what you mention up there.

If you wish to know about the biblical caculation of 1914, feel free to meet any JW you see, they will show it to you. It is from the bible.

Thanks

italo: @ Jehovah's Witnesses,

Since you claim you got all these your devilish and false prophecies from the Bible; arent the rest of your teachings which you claim are from the Bible too devilish and false?

Whats the difference?

I dont know what you mean by "False".

Do you mean the prayer for the kingdom of God to come for the past 2000yrs that has not come yet ?
Which one is false Italo.

And mr turn turn turner, can you address what i posted befor ?

That you should show where the Jw point to a "day" let alone an hour ?

Or you are not ready to eat your lies against the Jws ?

As a matter of fact, i was thinking you have bolls to psot doctrinal issues here, but no.

Why not try that and see Jman05 send you to the cleaners ?

italo: This is not faith in God's word. This is faith in your own devilish misinterpretation and adulteration of God's word.

If it was actually what God was saying, it wouldn't fail.

Does God's word fail?

Is the last 'days' a single day or an extended period of time ?

See :

"This know also, that in the last 'days' perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." (2 Timothy 3:1-5).
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What did you read there up there ? A day or days ?

The start of this periods have a starting point and ongoing.

Different prophesies all points to this extended perion of time. Yes, they all fall into this 'last days'.

It is so long that Jesus had to say that those days will be cut short.

See :

"And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. " (Matthew 24:22).
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Did you see that ^ ?

So, diferent prophesies fall into this extended days, but all in all, this prophesies let christ followers know the period they live in, that it is the end time, that you and your rcc are blind to this is not the fault of jws.

This end time culminate to the end.

You better start shinning your eyes.

italo: Jehovah’s Witnesses may be "disfellowshipped" for a variety of reasons, such as attending a Catholic or Protestant church or receiving a blood transfusion. A disfellow-shipped Witness may attend Kingdom Hall, but he is not allowed to speak to anyone, and no one may speak to him. The others are to act as though he no longer exists. This applies even to his family, who may only communicate with him as much as absolutely necessary.

True or false?

Though you included lies up there, i only wish to show you that the act of disfellowshiping is biblical processes of keeping the congregation clean.

God's people are always clean:

"I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person." (1 Corinthians 5:9-13).
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That you and your RCC dont apply what the bible says fully is not the fault of JWs.

Jw sees the scriptures as God's word and apply it completely in their worship to ensure God's approval.

But your RCC prefer phylosophy, their bishops and popes 'must' read phylosophy to qualify to teach as such. Smh.

How can they appliy the scripture properly ?

Thats ^ not JW faults.

See for yourself if it is good to disobey the giver of life now and the one that will reward everlasting life in his kingdom, by taking blood that he said he will cut off any Israelite that does.

After yo have disobeyed him Yahweh, he will later reward you with everlasting life. Smh.

Christians are also toLd to abstain from blood:

"That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts 15:29).

If there is a Jw that decides to disobey God and take Blood, i dont think he will be disfelowship.

italo: In 1995 the Watchtower quietly changed one of its major prophetic doctrines. Until this point, they had maintained that the generation alive in 1914 would not pass from the scene until Armageddon occurred. Now that this generation has almost entirely died out—and Armageddon has not occurred and does not seem like it will happen immediately—they had to change their doctrine. Now, the Watchtower says that Armageddon will simply occur "soon," and it is no longer tied to a particular, literal generation of people.

True or false?

Unfortunately, it is the bible that says "generation will not pass away" and not the Jw.

But the bible generation is different from secular generation.

Read below and upgrade:

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. " (Matthew 24:34).

"And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already. And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation." (Exodus 1:5-6).
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That up there is the bible genneration define.
Bible generation overlap from children to grand children and more there ^.

So, dont think Gods word have failed.

Am taking the time to teach you what RCC will not teach you befor you become an atheist.

italo: Knorr was succeeded as head of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, by Frederick Franz. He had been the Witnesses’ leading theologian, and his services were often called upon. For some years the sect’s magazines had been predicting that Armageddon would occur in 1975. When it didn’t, Franz had to find an explanation.

Witnesses believe that Adam was created in 4026 B.C. and that human beings have been allotted 6000 years of existence until Armageddon and the beginning of the millennium. This figure is based on a "creative week" in which each of six days is equal to 1,000 years, with the Sabbath or seventh day being the beginning of the millennium. Simple arithmetic gives 1975 as the year Armageddon would arrive. Franz explained that Armageddon would actually come 6000 years after Eve’s creation. But when 1975 came and went, the Witnesses had to "adjust" their chronology to cover up a failed prediction. They accomplished this by maintaining that no one knew exactly how long after Adam’s creation Eve came on the scene. Franz said that it was months—even years. Hence he was able to "stretch" the 1975 date to some indeterminate time in the future. In any case, Franz said that Witnesses would just have to wait, knowing the end is right around the corner.

When the final battle does occur—remember, it will be during the lifetime of "millions" of people alive in 1914, which means it can’t be too far off—Jehovah will defeat Satan and the elect will go to heaven to rule with Christ. But, following a literal interpretation of the number mentioned in Revelation, chapters 7 and 14, only 144,000 are among the elect. They will go to heaven as spirit persons (without resurrected bodies). The remaining faithful (Jehovah’s Witnesses), who are known as Jonadabs, will live forever on a renewed, paradise Earth in resurrected bodies. The unsaved will cease to exist at all, having been annihilated by Jehovah.

True or false?

Unlike you, i have a copy of the 1975 publications.

The Jw said that there is always something about the 7th with God.

Eg, in the bible, the sevent day = a sabath, seven creative days, God rested.

So, the publications ask "after 6000yrs, what else ? Christ milenial rule ?"

that ^ question up there that are living in constant expection of God'skingdom and praying for it daily and preaching about it, it is a seriouse thing since to them, God cannot lie.

Just like Jesus apostles had been in anticipation of the kingdom and asking if christ was restoring the kingdom when ? That made Jesus to tell them that the "day and hour" no one knows, Jw have the earger anticipation for that kingdom.

And the bible says that christians should be and stay awake so that that day does not catch them as a theif, the jw are ever awake, and paying attention to the signs of the times.

If you are now translating that question to mean that jw say they know the "Day and Hour", cant you see the lie ?

Keep living your life as though the kindom of God will not come again.

The jw never fixe a date at 1975, it was a question of anticipation, that you are always looking for what to grab against the Jw is your business. Till tomorrow, the jw are still in anticipation of the kingdom of God.

This are bible portions that advises christians to be awke to the coming of christ.

Read this:

"But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.[color=#990000] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.[color=#990000] Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us be watchful and be sober." (1 Thessalonians 5:4-6).

And this:

"For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon." (Revelation 16:14-16).
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Jw are ever watchful and in anticipation of that time so as to watch people and themself, can same be said of catholics

italo: Rutherford was succeeded by Nathan Homer Knorr, who was born in 1905 and died in 1977.

Since the Bible, as preserved through the centuries, did not support the peculiar doctrines of the Witnesses, Knorr chose an anonymous committee to produce the New World Translation, which is used by no sect other than the Witnesses. By means of former Witnesses, the names of the five members of the translation committee eventually came to light. Four of the five members completely lack credentials to qualify them as Bible translators, and the fifth member studied non-biblical Greek for only about two years.

The New World Translation was produced because it buttresses Witnesses’ beliefs through obscure or inaccurate renderings. For example, to prove that Jesus was only a creature, not God, theNew World Translation’s rendering of John 1:1 concludes this way: "and the Word was a god" [italics added]. Every other translation, Catholic and Protestant—not to mention the Greek original—has "and the Word was God."

True or false.

What worldly "credentials" did the apostles of christ that wrote the NT or the prophets and Levitse that wrote the OT had ? Answer me ?

Of the whole bible that the jw translated, what you can find is that they did not call Jesus God with capital 'G' as though the Hebrew word had capitalisation or the greek word did.

Did you not read from that John1:1 that Jesus was in the begining ? Does the almighty God have a beginning ?

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

The 'word' (Jesus) was in the beginning, meaning Jesus start was in the beginningq simple! And you and all your lots are blind to that simple truth and keep making noise.

Are you saying that those men without "credentials" can translate the whole bible and only one verse is your problem ?

Meanwhile the Kingjames and other translations are replete with errors ? Cant you see that they did a Good Job ?

What will you say was their score ? Almost 100%, na lie ? Smh.

You are blind and happy that the name of the almighty God has been removed from his books in the scriptures even though Yahwheh wants all men to know his name, you and rcc dont care but went ahead to remove it and keep a streight face ?

See what Yahweh wants done to his name:

"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." (Psalm 83:18).
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From that ^, Yahweh wants 'men' to know his name.

But you are proud to have removed it, and you are here to muck the people that have restored the name of Yahweh back into the bible, who do you think Yahweh will be happy with ? Rcc ?

Yahweh said his name will serve as a memorial from generation to genaration to times indefinites, is that name still in your bible ? Are you still making use of that name ?

Jesus said he has made the name of God known to his disciples, which name did he made knwon ? Did Jesus hide the Name of his father ?

See:

"I have 'manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world': thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. " (John 17:6).
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Did you see what Jesus said he did ? He made the name of God known to his disciples.

Who do you think will want the name of God to be forgotten ? Satan ofcouse.

But you and your rcc are happy with Yahweh's name out of his word, and the people, the jw that put it back about 7000 times in the NWT are the people you are here laughing at.

Your pope/church gave a direction in 2006 or so that the devine name should be removed in all rcc publication and song books etc, whose purpose and intent do you think such a direction is serving ? Yahweh ? Smh.

"You are from your father, and you wish to do the desirs of you father". Jesus said.

Am happy that the JW not only bear the name of Yahweh, but have put it back in its rightful place in the scriptures.

even though you dont like that ^. I do, i will not like the name of my earthly father to be forgotten, let alone my creator. Am happy.

italo: Rutherford said that in 1925 Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the prophets would return to Earth, and for them he prepared a mansion named Beth Sarim in San Diego, California. He moved into this mansion (where he died in 1942) and bought an automobile with which to drive the resurrected patriarchs around. The Watch Tower Society quietly sold Beth Sarim years later to cover up an embarrassing moment in their history, namely another failed prophecy.

True or false.

The bible said in the Book of Hebrews, that the "prophets of old awaits a city having real foundation in the kingdom of God", if Rutherford faith in the fulfilment of that prophesy was so strong that he went preparing a place for them, i dont know.
but such kind faith cannot be a sin, faith in the word of God.

If the popes have half as much faith in the word of God, they would have been preaching about God's kingdom, but no, they dont, they are the rulers of this current world that the bible said that satan is its ruler.

Do you know what the harlot driving the wild beast in revelation means ? You dont i supposed.

In this same world, Jesus christ was offered kingship, he refused and ran into the mountain.

Satan also offered it to Jesus, but he also refused, but your pope and you RCC, can they say the same ? Judge for yourself.

I for one still keep on praying every day for "thy kingdom come" as Jesus says we should.

Maybe, we should laugh at Jesus, that for the past 2000yrs, he had asked us to pray the same prayer till date and the kindom is not yet here, should we laugh at Jesus like atheist do ? You be the Judge.

But i will never stop praying for God's kingdom to come even though you have stop, or that your rcc have turned that kingdom to be in this satan world, but the bible says, when the kingdom comes, there will be no more death, take note.

That ^ is what faith can do, stop laughing at men of faith like Rutherford. He was not a thief.

italo: We are getting somewhere.

Actually, you have not gone no where, you must be afraid of something that is why you are not posting bible doctrine so that you and your catholics will not be smashed here.

For your ignorance of the bible, Jesus word was that the "Day and Hour" no body knows, so, for a start, present a PDF extract where JW have 'ever' pronounced a 'day' let alone 'hour' when the end will come, if you cannot, then keep dancing in the filth you are dancing right now with lies and falsehood.

If you have been properly taught the bible, you would have known that Jesus had said days and hour no one knows.

And the fact remains that JW have never, i repeat, never says the day is known by any man let alone them. So, i dare you to verify your lies against Jesus words here.

And again, JW dont claim to be prophets that God speaks to directly like the RCC says, but rather, they are bible student, that search the bible to ensure no stone is left unturn.

The imformation that the jw present are right there in the bible, the calculations, they find imformations, they present it and have full confidence in the word of God. Those calculations all point to one thing, that the 'age' we are living in are the last 'days' befor the end.

That many prophesy points to this same Era tells them the end is near at hand, and they more than ever become more active in warning people.

The jw are not like catholics that dont have faith in the word of God as given in the scriptures, that is why RCC find it easy to ascribe the origine of life to evolution , but the jw have ever stock with the bible details come what may. Can you see the difference ?

The jw preach it come rain or sun, they are never ashamed of it, unlike RCC that have resorted to human philosophy instead of the bible. Can you see the differenc ?

The jw, as bible student makes research and publish what they find, if as humans, they find out that they have overlooked some issues, they make correction to ensure they never go out of the word of God, not like the "Infellible" pope head of the catholic church whose blunders has been responsible for the greatest reproach on christianity in all history.

Again, i dare and challange you to post a scaned pdf document where the JW went against the word of God that the day and hour no one knows.

And take note, whatever the jw have presented are right there in the bible, if you dont belief that we are living in the last days, blame the bible for it because the 1914 date is directly verifiable from the bible and did not come from human head. And other calculations.

You are mucking on the effort to study deep into the bible that you people dont do, its a pitty.

So, i await your proof that The JW have ever gone against Jesus word by publishing "day" let alone "hour" against Jesus word that he said no one knows.

Thanks.

HumbledbYGrace: M sure he is busy with something, I just asked him not to derail, thanks for your concern. Appreciated.

Regards.

O! I stand corrected.

Thank you for the reply, i had thought he had been ban.

@Humblebygrace

did you ban @sixone or you corrected/advised him ?

HumbledbYGrace: Attended to.

Yes, it is true that Six one had posted off topic things on that thread and from the look of things, it was a carry over from another thread.

So, did you ban him ? If yes.
Was it the best practice to have outrightly ban him posting on NL or to have first advised/corrected him so that he can continue petronising Seun business by his continual posting on NL or to chase away customers base on minor reasons or oversight ?

Offcouse, if he keeps defaulting, a ban will be well deserving at that point to protect Seun business and customers.

So, what happend to him ?

Thanks in anticipation of your respons.

@Six One

Am weiting for the thread. If you dont reply to this, i will know that Humble by grace has Ban you instead of advising you after hidding your posts.

@Italo

which of those ^ are biblical doctrines that you had invited Jman05 to come for ?

Which of those are bible based question that will help one to learn more about the bible ?

@sixone

open a thread to post those imformation about beads and stuff let me read them, it was educating and i had learnt alot about it.

That is if this Mods that seems to hate anything JW has not ban you already.

@Humblebygrace

you love gossiping stuff devoid of knowledge alot it seems, you hardly participate in biblically base educating stuff, is that how you obey Jesus christ to go make disciples and "teaching them" to observe christ instructions ?

macof: My gods are watching over the universe, they watch over you even if you don't know it.

Dont you know you need to show evidence for such claims ?

Can a universal ruler be a local champion ?
Cant you see the way Yahweh and his antecedence is spreading all over the world and his messenger Jesus defines history ? (CE and AD). Shine your eye! Your god is not the real deal, Yahweh have an objective and he is unstopable.
See the bible is the greatest books of all time, the book of Yahweh.

macof: Yahweh was made through the imagination of Moses,

How can that such ^ be true ?
Do you have comprehension problem ?

Can the slaves from Egypt be able to produced those 613 laws of which most of it forms the bedrock of modern justice system of most countries accross the world ?

Why would those slaves and moses produced a law that they themselves strugled to keep ?

Try and be rational if you wish to discussed with me.

macof: the canaanites practiced Semitism, which the Jews also practiced before Moses modified it to judaism for Israel.

Modified what ? Most of those laws are unique among Jews to this day, eg, the none taking of blood, which cultures had such laws ?

macof: Olodumare created everyone to live forever.

Evidence please.

macof: This world/our human life is only a journey.

why not become an Eckist sef. Or Amorc, you all have something in common, and try other nations and see if those pegans have something different other than the lie that satan told Eve that she will not die, To keep you all in perpetual deceived mode.

Yahweh is offering real life eternal in this world and not an imaginary world that none of you wish to Go, not the world that you all cry when someone "goes" there, death(lies).

macof: Satan is not the ruler of this world, Humans are.

Say that ^ to those that are ignorant.

macof: And Adam is not the first man; no one knows the first generation of humans on earth.

How will you know what you dont know and your God did not keep evidence.

macof: Yahweh never chased any semitic God away, the Jews just changed their system of worship.

That ^ is in your head.

macof: 1.did your ancestors not serve God?

2. Did your ancestors commit more evil than the Jews?

3. how is God described in the religion of your ancestors

Those ^ are your interest, not mine. i cant see any hope of life eternal from those except the lie that our ancestors are around, and that we should worship them

@macof

"But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils." (1 Corinthians 10:20).

Take note of that ^.

macof: You are deceiving urself.

Young man, i had expected that you will say more than this retort up there.

Does not your god have a message for you to give to others ?

Does he not have an agenda of everlasting purposed and benefit?

macof: Yahweh is for the Jews.

Yahweh said he is the almighty God and went ahead to demonstrate it by over-powering all canaanites gods, those demons you follow does not have much to offer you . Yahweh on the other hand is promising eternal life to all human that streightens their ways and leave immoral lives behind, which is better and beneficial for them.
In Yahweh's new world, the lifestyle is what he is asking people to start practicing now to qualify for the new system.

What is the purpose of your god ? Can he give eternal life ?

macof: Olodumare is for the universe, and he manifest in all nations.

Yeah, satan the bible say is the ruler of this world, that was what he got from deceiving Adam, our first perent and he wanted to use the same trick against Jesus, the promise seed as to get him to obey him by those temptations.


Have you ever wondered who would have been greater than Adam had satan not deceived him ? No one, that position of Adam is what satan collected when Adam Obeyed him and made himself subservient to satan and satan became the ruler of this world. But his time is short, that Jesus he wanted to deceived has been empowered to finish him in the near future, and when that happends, he satan cannot help himself let alone you.

macof: I(Yorubas) don't need Yahweh, we have our own God, who is well able.

so the canaanites had there own gods "who is well able" till Yahweh chased them all away.

Those demons that the canaanites where worshiping are all the same in traditional religion. Take note.

Unless you will tell me the Egyptian god was not "well able". Pharoe said he did not know Yahweh which is true.
That did not stop Yahweh from being who he is.

macof: So Abraham can go eat his seed

well, i am very much ashamed of you, you are a big disgrace to your gods, i had asked you to come tell me the "errors" Yahweh made and you came here with empty words without substance, your words lack easy punch sef let alone you can punch someone.

If Yahweh was to follow the mouth of you and your gods, he will not only had chased them out but prevent gentiles/pegans that worshiped them from coming to know him the almighty God, but then, he is the father of all, hevent made himself known by his dealing with the Israelites and defeating all other pegan gods, he still wants to help you all and all to flee from satan's deceits that he started in Eden, if you dont, well and good for you, but you have been told.

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