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loveroftruth:
If my knowledge of slavery and the position of a slave serves me right, they are not supposed to be on scholarship to attend the best legal school at a time in human history that secular education was not existent not to talk of it being a past time of the ruling class.

But here we are to believe that those slaves "on their way to the promised land" settled down and formulated the laws that the nations were to use and that has affected the whole world both the learned and the unlearned, Judges, kings, scientist, Lawyers, Presidents, philosophers, You and me.

If that, is it possible for those slaves to have had the capacity to have done such? Written those laws?

If you said those slaves wrote it, it means slaves should naturally have such a capacity.

If you said no, they cant, it would mean that they got those laws from another source, a superior source there at mount Sinai.

If you say they could not have written those laws, that implies that a superior personage gave it to them as they claimed. why then do some people argue that such a personage does not exist?

Why then do some say there is "NO GOD"?

Moses refused to take credit for being the author of the laws, he rather said it was given to him despite it being a great work of prestige.

It will take a mental disorder to haven written a best seller you then denied being the author. A great disservice to oneself i guess.

So, what is right on this matter?

If you say no one else other than themselves gave it to themselves there, show how the slaves from Egypt could have written those laws and who had all those laws before the Israelite did.

Thank you.

orunto27:
Babanla original "Adodo". You are an unrepentant Gentile.

butterflylion:
Good thread

loveroftruth:
If i don't love truth i would not have taken my time to dig into the Bible the way i do. I have not spoken any falsehood, all i have said thus far, i showed evidence using the Bible.



Concerning Matthew 15:4, lets paste it here first:

4 For example, God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Let the one who speaks abusively of his father or mother be put to death
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Like i had said before, While Jesus was alive he was under the Law, the new covenant came into effect after the shadding of Christ blood/after his death.
the above statement is his statement under the law and he did not brake the law, but his death brought about the new covenant freeing us from the law.

That freeing us from the law is inline with what Yahweh had already foretold that he will give a new covenant. Read Jeremiah 31:31-34 again.

It also says that the new covenant will not be like the one he gave to the sons of Israel while taking them out of Egypt. So, it is evidently wrong to transfer the laws of the old covenant to the new covenant for us to keep. So, Christ followers are not under the law of Moses any more.




Yes it is so, otherwise you would have to explain:

1. Who is that prophet from the sons of Israel that came like Moses written in Deuteronomy.
2. What was the meaning of what Yahweh meant when he said that he will give the sons of Israel a new covenant as recorded in Jeremiah 31:31.......




I did not exactly get the message you intended to pass out from the above, but if it is still in connection with the laws of Moses for us, then know that my reply above is applicable to any other laws of Moses.



Deut 13:6-9
6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or your cherished wife or your closest companion should try to entice you in secrecy, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ gods that neither you nor your forefathers have known, 7 from the gods of the peoples all around you, whether near you or those far away from you, from one end of the land to the other end of the land, 8 you must not give in to him or listen to him, nor should you show pity or feel compassion or protect him; 9 instead, you should kill him without fail. Your hand should be the first to come upon him to put him to death, and the hand of all the people afterward.
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The above scripture and it application today is the bend of Islam
Note that, while Jesus gave a redirection to a different root to Christians based on what Yahweh had prophesied through Moses and Jeremiah, the Koran misfired by continuing ahead ahead and not noting the redirection from Jesus Christ, hence, Muslims today, in an effort to apply the law of Moses that had finished serving its purpose, ended up killing people.

If Koran had noted that redirection as given by Jesus, would we be having ISIS today killing people in the name of the law of Moses? NO!


We should not forget the reason why Yahweh at the first place set up all this things in motion, it was when he promised Abraham that all nations on earth will be bless because he has listen to the voice of Yahweh:

Genesis 22:18

"And by means of your offspring all nations of the earth will obtain a blessing for themselves because you have listened to my voice."
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Note the Above, the target was to get an offspring of Abraham to be the source of the blessing to all the nations on earth, will it be wise to ignore what the Offspring later said when he finally came?

Without the drive to produce the Offspring of Yahweh from THe children of Abraham, would their have been a Moses? NO!

Would it be a wise thing to leave the command of the Offspring and the prophecies of Yahweh and continue hanging unto the laws of Moses? NO!

So, the Koran has an ERROR for not following the direction of the Offspring on love as the new Command for the servants of Yahweh.

The laws that was given to the sons of Israel was to ensure that they don't do the following:

1. Leave the worship of Yahweh and follow other God's of the Canaanites.
2. Keep the nation of Israel separate from other nations and unique.
3. Help them to appreciate the significance of spiritual things like sacrifices.
4. Help them to know how to identify the messiah.
5. Protect the Son of Yahweh from Satan.
6. Keep the Nation of Israel clean from satanic worship or the worship of other gods.
7. Make the nation of Israel a special nation to Yahweh.
7. And, lead the nation of Israel to Christ The Messiah.

The questions comes, after the laws have served its purpose, should the law still overshadow the Messiah and his utterances?

The law served it purpose as stated in the New testament by many of Christ apostles and the elders in Jerusalem in Acts15.

Apostle Paul in many places eg, Galatians Chapter 3. Explained how the law served it purpose and that we are no longer under law.

Lets ask Ourselves, if the Koran also had the Law of Christ on LOVE, Would ISIS be killing people for Allah today?

loveroftruth:
If i don't love truth i would not have taken my time to dig into the Bible the way i do. I have not spoken any falsehood, all i have said thus far, i showed evidence using the Bible.



Concerning Matthew 15:4, lets paste it here first:

4 For example, God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Let the one who speaks abusively of his father or mother be put to death
==============================================

Like i had said before, While Jesus was alive he was under the Law, the new covenant came into effect after the shadding of Christ blood/after his death.
the above statement is his statement under the law and he did not brake the law, but his death brought about the new covenant freeing us from the law.

That freeing us from the law is inline with what Yahweh had already foretold that he will give a new covenant. Read Jeremiah 31:31-34 again.

It also says that the new covenant will not be like the one he gave to the sons of Israel while taking them out of Egypt. So, it is evidently wrong to transfer the laws of the old covenant to the new covenant for us to keep. So, Christ followers are not under the law of Moses any more.




Yes it is so, otherwise you would have to explain:

1. Who is that prophet from the sons of Israel that came like Moses written in Deuteronomy.
2. What was the meaning of what Yahweh meant when he said that he will give the sons of Israel a new covenant as recorded in Jeremiah 31:31.......




I did not exactly get the message you intended to pass out from the above, but if it is still in connection with the laws of Moses for us, then know that my reply above is applicable to any other laws of Moses.



Deut 13:6-9
6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or your cherished wife or your closest companion should try to entice you in secrecy, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ gods that neither you nor your forefathers have known, 7 from the gods of the peoples all around you, whether near you or those far away from you, from one end of the land to the other end of the land, 8 you must not give in to him or listen to him, nor should you show pity or feel compassion or protect him; 9 instead, you should kill him without fail. Your hand should be the first to come upon him to put him to death, and the hand of all the people afterward.
===========================================================================

The above scripture and it application today is the bend of Islam
Note that, while Jesus gave a redirection to a different root to Christians based on what Yahweh had prophesied through Moses and Jeremiah, the Koran misfired by continuing ahead ahead and not noting the redirection from Jesus Christ, hence, Muslims today, in an effort to apply the law of Moses that had finished serving its purpose, ended up killing people.

If Koran had noted that redirection as given by Jesus, would we be having ISIS today killing people in the name of the law of Moses? NO!


We should not forget the reason why Yahweh at the first place set up all this things in motion, it was when he promised Abraham that all nations on earth will be bless because he has listen to the voice of Yahweh:

Genesis 22:18

"And by means of your offspring all nations of the earth will obtain a blessing for themselves because you have listened to my voice."
=============================================

Note the Above, the target was to get an offspring of Abraham to be the source of the blessing to all the nations on earth, will it be wise to ignore what the Offspring later said when he finally came?

Without the drive to produce the Offspring of Yahweh from THe children of Abraham, would their have been a Moses? NO!

Would it be a wise thing to leave the command of the Offspring and the prophecies of Yahweh and continue hanging unto the laws of Moses? NO!

So, the Koran has an ERROR for not following the direction of the Offspring on love as the new Command for the servants of Yahweh.

The laws that was given to the sons of Israel was to ensure that they don't do the following:

1. Leave the worship of Yahweh and follow other God's of the Canaanites.
2. Keep the nation of Israel separate from other nations and unique.
3. Help them to appreciate the significance of spiritual things like sacrifices.
4. Help them to know how to identify the messiah.
5. Protect the Son of Yahweh from Satan.
6. Keep the Nation of Israel clean from satanic worship or the worship of other gods.
7. Make the nation of Israel a special nation to Yahweh.
7. And, lead the nation of Israel to Christ The Messiah.

The questions comes, after the laws have served its purpose, should the law still overshadow the Messiah and his utterances?

The law served it purpose as stated in the New testament by many of Christ apostles and the elders in Jerusalem in Acts15.

Apostle Paul in many places eg, Galatians Chapter 3. Explained how the law served it purpose and that we are no longer under law.

Lets ask Ourselves, if the Koran also had the Law of Christ on LOVE, Would ISIS be killing people for Allah today?

lwkmd

lwkmd

frosbel2:
Thank You.

Of course you may have heard about one of the sheeple's latest role models who said "Sexual Sin Is Not Enough to Take You to Hell" after fornicating with his church members. Yet his sheeple are fighting for him , lol. The link below is from a more credible source to prevent denial.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/may/will-embassy-of-god-punish-sunday-adelaja-multiple-affairs.html

Joagbaje:
There are different kinds of givings . Freewill offering is only one aspect . every ministry have their structures . Jesus had a treasurer . Which means they're as a central purse . Where all the apostles are paid from . After forsaking their fishing business . I'm not aware they alll carried offering bags remembering these were married men with children . There must have been a kind of allowance centrally disbursed .

frosbel2:
Supporting a Pastor assuming that he/she was called by God ( very rare these days, most are called by their 'bellies' ) , should be from freewill offerings and not mandatory payments in the name of tithes , first fruits and the other financial scams. Besides it is not compulsory that the pastor should always be supported, sometimes he/she may even need to work by the side to feed and house themselves like Paul. The admonishment from Paul that " if a man does not work he should not eat " was for all the church and not just the sheep.

There are many preachers who work full time jobs and preach on Sunday, why can't you do the same ?? Oh , let me see, you prefer easy money and the razzmatazz that comes with it!!

frosbel2:
These scammers in religious garb spewing their garbage while deceiving millions and rendering their congregations from poverty to complete impoverishment , superstition and turning them from 'brainfull' humans into brainless sheep , need to be STOPPED.

So while Buhari is tackling the endemic corruption in Nigeria he should turn his eye to their allies who are mostly leaders of pentecostal churches and seize their assets ,money and in some cases close down their churches for GOOD !

Their universities should become state owned rather than exclusive enclaves for the rich and privileged despite the fact that they were built from the widows mite ( of course the widows were cast out afterwards ). Their jets should be sold and the money returned to members of their churches.

Every Sunday the thieves think of what scripture they will twist to their own destruction and extract money from the hard working and even jobless suffering members of their congregation , including students. If this is not a CRIME what else is, is this not extortion , no ?? They are cursed and no for good rogues that must be dealt with asap.

People for how long will you allow yourself be a hypnotized member of the churches of these miscreants, why not completely abandon them so that their source of their income will dry up , and they will eat Nebuchadnezzar's grass of humility .

Since when did preaching become a career or source of salary/income ?? Is this not madness, telling people about the good news which is truly a free gift and indirectly charging them for money. Did Paul not work and from time to time receive freewill offerings, NEVER TITHES OR FIRST FRUITS!

While the church members are eating from hand to mouth these rogues and their families are wining and dinning on the most delicious and exotic foods and going to the most expensive restaurants.

These rogues called pastors, sleep with the wives of their members, defile young virgins and stupid girls while preaching about fidelity, who the hell are they kidding ? They want to control you and yet they cannot control their greed and passions. Woe onto them.

Buhari needs to setup a special branch within their EFCC to investigate these thieves , track them down, seize their assets and punish them according the rule of law. That will put an end to their scamming, noise pollution and corruption of politicians and innocent church members.

End of rant.

BetaThings:
You are lover of truth
Why are you covering up this truth?

BetaThings:
Mathew 15 : 4

BetaThings:
Not so sir

BetaThings:
Romans 1:20-32
There is a listing of sins including homosickness, adultery, disobeying parents, hating God
which put together make the sinner deserving of death

BetaThings:
And in the OT

Deuteronomy 13:6-9

BetaThings:
You are just making stuff up

Jesus said people should obey the commandments
And where are the commandments? Old Testament


Luke 10 : 18 - 20

By the way, Jesus distinguished between himself and God


Matthew 5:17-18

If Jesus did not abolish any part of the law, can Loverof"Truth" do so?

loveroftruth:
Actually, am yet to understand what you are driving at.

Are you agreeing that the ISIS are the true followers of Islam? Be apt so we can understand you clearly.

Meanwhile, The Prophecies in the OT by Yahweh had already foretold that his followers will follow him in a new way.

Here we go read this up:

JEREMIAH31:31-33

31 “Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant. 32 It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, ‘my covenant that they broke, although I was their true master,’ declares Jehovah.”
33 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Jehovah. “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I will write it. And I will become their God, and they will become my people.”
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From the above, Yahweh had already made plans for a change of direction as contained in that Bible portion, this direction the Koran missed completely.

That new direction is the new covenant that was initiated by Yahweh as seen in that Prophecy above.
Jesus Christ Kick-started it while he was on earth:

Luke22:20
20 Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.
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So, from the above, Jesus Christ fulfilled the Prophecy of Yahweh recorded at Jeremiah 31:31 above, concerning making a new covenant and laws.

There, Jesus said the new covenant is by virtue of his Blood that is to be given on our behave, so, the new covenant is by means of Jesus blood.

Hence, the new covenant came into effect when "his Blood" was poured on our behave = when he died.

Since the new covenant hanged on the Messiah Jesus, that was why Jesus could talk of giving a new commandment:

John13:34,35
34 I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another".

Another scripture:

Matthew22:37-40

He said to him: “‘You must [color-red]love[/color] Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”
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From the above, Followers of Christ operate on the law of LOVE and not on the over 600 laws of Moses that was given on Mount Sinai when the sons of Israel were coming out of Egypt.

So, that Koran did not take note of what the Son of God Jesus did while on earth in the Bible and followed a completely different direction and kept carrying the laws given on mount Sinai in Koran even added their own, it is not Christians fault nor Jesus Fault, Not Yahweh's fault.

Koran did not take note of the directions of Jesus on LOVE.

Jesus says that the law to Love Yahweh and Love ones neighbor covers all the other 600 laws. If i love Yahweh, love my neighbor, i will not steal his property, nor go after his wife. Etc, Etc. and all else. Thereby keeping all other on Yahweh's laws.

Christians operate on a different Law from Judaism.

BetaThings:
You are just making stuff up

Jesus said people should obey the commandments
And where are the commandments? Old Testament


Luke 10 : 18 - 20

By the way, Jesus distinguished between himself and God


Matthew 5:17-18

If Jesus did not abolish any part of the law, can Loverof"Truth" do so?

BetaThings:
So what was the religion of Abraham?
So who were people supposed to worship during the time of OT and who were they asked to worship during the time of NT

Rilwon:
Can one be a jew and a Christian at the same time?

plappville:
Are the Apostles of Jesus Arabs or Jews? We got the Gospel through the Arabs or Jews? Did Jesus choose the Arabs to spread the gospel or the Jews? Sure they were aware. Just that they were minority. Clown

BetaThings:
I asked 2 questions
Is there any dishonesty in asking questions to learn about your religion

So what does Christianity say about whoever insults his/her parents?
So where is Judaism part in my question

So the Bible is silent about leaving the religion?

BetaThings:
So what was the religion of Abraham?
So who were people supposed to worship during the time of OT and who were they asked to worship during the time of NT

plappville:
Quran 3:56 - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Rilwon:
ISIS are the true Muslim

No doubt this what you want to hear, now that you've heared it, what next?

Rilwon:
He said a true follower of Yahweh. A true follower of Yahweh is the that will religiously follow the laws of yahweh. Unfortunately we have no one like that again.

Yahweh's law are now irrelevant.

BetaThings:
What does the Bible say about whoever abandons Christianity?
What does the Bible say about whoever insults his/her parents

Tell us what your timeless Bible say about those ?

annunaki2:
You just succeeded in telling us that the quoran is outdated, it's of no use in these modern times and should be ignored.

SUPERPACK:
when the quran was given to the muslems, religion was political in nature, the religious leaders where also the political leaders, but nowadays religion does nt have the power to rule a state, hence the use of the quran must change to match the modern day standards,
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When christians decide to practice christianity as it was when it was ruling the world during the time of emperor constantine and the early popes, no one currently on earth would deserve to be called a true christian.
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According to modern day standards, since religion is no more political in nature, The moderate muslems are the true muslems.

ifenes:
A true follower of Yahweh will stone wayward kids to death.