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Pastafarian:
if you create a thread, every post not directed at anyone is directed at you, that's how Nairaland works

now that you know there's been rebuttals, do go there and respond to them

Hehehe! Nairaland doesn't work that way. There's a reason a quote button is there. Tell them to put my name and I'll respond.

Hmmmmm.. .. . When I'm back from Bible study I'll respond
to you properly. Laterrrrr.

I'm trying to Roundup and go to Bible study, So I will respond when I'm back. cc donnffd

Pastafarian:
you rebutted nothing even on that thread https://www.nairaland.com/3673254/rebuttal-christian-owned-slave/ you created the thread and abandoned it when people poked holes in them

Go and sit down, so after everything this will be your response .

Anyone who's picking holes and he or she is not quoting me is on his own or her own. How do they want me to know?

Pastafarian:
OP is being dishonest with the title.

OP picked just one post in a whole thread, a post that only argues for humanism not atheism

Why are you like this? You should have open a thread and title it. I got your post from the thread with the above title. My thread wasn't the original thread.

donnffd:
I would try and answer some of the questions you asked with my limited knowledge.



How about we try this, "Do unto others what you would want others to do unto you". Is that objective enough for you?, and please dont tell me it can also be found in the bible, while i agree, it by no means originated with the bible, it can be traced by to conficious...



The problem alot of Nigerians have is that they know very little about science and when someone talks about it, the person is seen as a dullard, its really strange, thats why we dont innovate in this part of the world.

Yes, he was correct, chemicals control your emotions and feelings, and most likely are involved in the creation of consciousness. Have you ever heard of Neurotransmitters?, if you havent, please just do a quick google search, it would help you alot.




Yes, we did win a cosmic lottery to get here, do you know the chances for your parents to meet given the number of other potential partners?, do you know the chances of your parents having sex the exact moment they did that you got conceived?, do you know the chances of the sperm cell that formed reaching its destination first?

Yes, we won an incredible lottery with overwhelming odds and yes it wasnt designed because if things had gone a little differently, someone else would be here and not you and the world would not have even noticed your absence.

Ha! I'm coming back to answer you properly.

felixomor:
Nice one.
The 2 monikers u mentioned is actually the same person.

Thanks very much, my Oga.

He did not only promote self love and self empowerment, he actually showed the people the secret to his God abilities. He made he let them know that only their believe(in themselves) can solve their problem. He wasn't about worshiping a God but showing good example

Again I will state the 2 greatest commandments Jesus gave to us his followers.

30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. 31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

What's all this na? This is intrusive and unbiblical.

HopefulLandlord, Pastafarian.... .. . I don serve am as e deh hot.

This is a rebuttal to a post by Pastafarian and you can find the post on this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/3523542/atheism-make-world-better-place#52001526
Okayyyyy.. .. .. .. .. So let's go.

I may not be extremely sure of Atheism's ability to make the world a better place but I'm pretty sure HUMANISM would definitely make the world a better place

You have done my conclusion. Atheism doesn't make the world a better. So let's talk humanism which the Atheist have not yet adopted. So let's move on.

Contrary to what the fundamentalists would have us believe, then, what our society really needs is not more religion but a richer notion of the nature of morality. Humanism is compatible with atheism and agnosticism, but being atheist or agnostic does not, itself, make one a Humanist.

I'm bold to say it, that there's no movement like Christianity in the world who preached morality the way we do. Mark 12:31 gave us one of the 2 greatest commandments we must abide by while on earth..
And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.”
The above verse encapsulate morality, love, mercy, justice, fairness, truth. So I disagree with you that we don't need more of this.
Not to sound like a broken record, what has humanist contributed to morality? Let's find out..

Humanism": a philosophical viewpoint that proposes all humans have value, and that we can use objective methods to develop rights, morals, and ethics that maximize happiness and well-being. "Live comfortably": certainly has subjective elements, but objectively can be defined as having at least ample food, shelter, and social interaction.

My questions. What are the proposed objective method?
So how can food, shelter, sociality increase aid morality? So much questions. Let's go on.

What really removes meaning and value from humanity is theism. The belief that we were created for the purpose of something else. That we are not in control of our own destiny. If there's some god along the lines of the Abrahamic one, if we live forever... what's the point? That's a depressing universe

So it is depressing to serve a God who gave only these two greatest commandments Mark 12:30-31

30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’This is the first commandment. 31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no other commandment greater than these.”
If you have issue with this beautiful, holy and loving God, then your issue is beyond help.

I hear this from theists especially Christians a lot but If kindness towards others and helping build a better world for those to come is inconsequential to you, in other words, if the only thing that gives your life meaning is the possibility of getting a never-ending cookie at the end of it, then buddy, it is you who is both irrational and senseless.

Stop your lies against christianity. Matthew 25:37-40
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
From the above verse, one of the qualification to make heaven is to be kind to your neighbors. I hope kindness is not inconsequential, it's mandatory.

Nothing that has been proffered thus far over thousands of years shows us that there's any reason to believe that there is an afterlife. The electrical impulses in our brains cease and with it so too do our very being. Every little spark of energy and chemical reaction that produces our personalities, our consciousness, and our sentience is a marvel of nature.

Ha! So it's little spark of energy and chemical reaction that produces our personalities and consciousness. I'm just reading this for the first time. My questions.. .. ..
What's the name of the energy? What's the name of the chemical? What causes the chemical to react? What makes the chemical impulses to stop? I'm sure I'll have a lot of follow up questions.

Something that we recognize in each other as incredible. That at this stage, we've "won" some sort of cosmic lottery to get to the point that we can share this wonderment with each other using technology that is vastly beyond our animal cousins. The same technologies many of which which were spearheaded by atheists programmers, inventors, mathematicians, engineers, tinkerers, and others who without them, you would not even be able to post to this forum. Alan Turing, Bill Gates, Steve Wozniak, Aaron Swartz, and so many others. They had no gods.

Ha! You won cosmic lottery to get to the point? Is this logical? Are you sure you're an Atheist?

We derive morality from another source of ethics. One that doesn't condone war, slavery, or rape. One that doesn't profess greater morality from a holy book in one hand while wielding a sword in the other. We aren't bound by chains of superstition, nor do we enslave ourselves to the supernatural in hopes of a better here-after.

I don't get your point. God never condones war, slavery or rape, so why the lies against him. I've earlier rebutted all these lies. So go through my threads. But wait ooo is it not science that created all this weapon of mass destruction. Is not because they want to sell their weapons of destruction that makes them to be sponsoring unrest in third world countries? Is it not because they want to sell their drugs that they're infecting people with uncurable diseases. Please stop lies against God.

For many of us, we use the term Humanism to describe our morality. That the power for good lies within us not because we seek just rewards after we're dead, but so that we can live comfortably in the here and now. And that in improving our lives and the lives of others, that legacy we leave behind will have made the world greater for those in the future. For others to build upon and continue our deeds for the benefit of all.
We don't need religion for that. That ability lies within us

I still didn't get answers to my questions? How's humanist making the world a better place? Has this be adopted by the Atheists? What are the proposed objective method to develop morality ? So how can food, shelter, socialite aid morality?

Pastafarian:
there are a lot of misconceptions you have about atheism

open the thread and call me, I'll address them

Hehehe. I've been so busy today, hopefully by tomorrow I will take on the challenge. Accept my apologies.

enshy:
Of course change of name begins from the day marriage was consummated.
It really has nothing to do with what you achieved in the past..You dont have to change names on your certificates or documents of properties.
All you do is after marriage, get a change of name documentation which states that you are same person who bears different surnames at different times!
However, be sure there is no tussle of Glory in a xtian marriage. The place of Husband and Father remains but Fathers roles becomes less prominent because you now are someone else's whose desires, visions, ambitions you ought to stand for and pursue.
May God reveal more to you!

Thanks Enshy. I hope you now understand where the leading of the Holy Spirit comes in.

Pastafarian:
I'll await the thread

call me my mentioning this monicker and Hopefullandlord

You didn't respond to the last paragraph. Has it been adopted by the so called Atheists?

Pastafarian:
you're not then, you just reminded me of a particular monicker, moving on

you can read this post https://www.nairaland.com/3523542/atheism-make-world-better-place#52001526

I will respond to you properly via a thread by tomorrow.

I even like your thinking a little but it's wasted on an unorganized non-religious, unconstitutional so called individuals forming voltron.

I'm not even responding to you again. What you wrote has not been adopted by the so called Atheists.

leetech:
it is well with you,stay blessed

Amen. It's well with you too and may God draw you to him.

Pastafarian:
are you an2elect2?

Meaning?

akintom:
What do you expect from this type of mindset.

Hehehe! Ex-pastor o, face the topic.

leetech:
sir/ma I dnt know the problem you have with pastors or churches but all I can say is it is well.anyone who read my initial post would notice christ occupied 90% and my pastor appeared in the last paragraph nd I stated that the lord uses him as a medium..stay blessed

My initial quote wasn't taken from the last paragraph. It was taken from the third paragraph.

Pastafarian:
your god that most likely doesn't exist?

That's why you're Atheist.

Pastafarian:
you think every Pastor you see around is a theist?

go to clergyproject and be informed

Is that not hypocrisy? you're preaching what you don't believe in. God detest those kind of people.

leetech:
Mark 10:7?? I dnt think so sir but rather mathew 10:7 and as you read on to vs 8 you will see other things that need to be done; please sir when the kingdom of God is at hand what next but to strive for righteousness and holiness and how do you attain this but by attending a bible believing church where the word of God can b poured on you,its not about church but christ am only saying the church I know that does all that is in mathew 10 :7-8...you can evangelise yours am not against any church, JEAUS IS LORD

STAY BLESSED

1st cor 3:7-8

6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

You are putting the cart before the horse. You're not telling people about Jesus who will draw people to your church. You're depending on your power and your might. You're not meeting people's needs. You're not telling them solutions to their problems. You're placing your pastor above God. That's absolutely wrong.

I'm still a young chap tho and in between trying to find a career for myself, being a Pastor as always solidly been at the back of mind as are other things. The gullibility I see my parents and siblings and friends portray in the midst of pastors in churches only strengthened the notion at the back of mind. And I see the way Pastors use religion power to control people and I like the power and I "might" end up just being a pastor.

Hehehe! Are you called by God? Are you called by the devil? Your case will be like a child who put his hands inside the fire innocently. But in your case, it will a case of no return.

CatfishBilly:
I don't know how many times this issue will be explained to you.
Atheism is not an organized religion​. There are no doctrines, no constitution, nothing.
Everyone does as he sees fit and as his conscience/morals allows.
And, no, morals has nothing to do with religion.

Imagine! I hope sane minds can read the above comment. There's no love, hope, faith, morality, comfort etc in Atheism. Their only job is to analyze the Bible. So sad.

Pastafarian:
I can also make the claim for you, doesn't make it true, I wouldn't descend so low as to start bragging about those I've helped like a particular Christian monicker here

we are on the internet where anyone can claim to be anything

You are missing the point. The OP, is not asking you the contribution as an individual. He is asking you the philosophy of Atheist to the less privileged. Where's it in your constitution? Do you even have constitution?

leetech:
they Cnt see jesus bt can be led by someone,am directing them including you to capable hand that can lead them aright in d name of jesus christ and incase you are ignorant sir you need a bible believing church to grow spiritually and otherwise,it doesn't happen in your room sir.
stay blessed

Nooooo!!! That's the job of the Holy Spirit and not your job. Your job is in Mark 10:7

7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’

Pastafarian:
do your questions sound reasonable?

all it'll do at best is lead to us listing things we've done for the less privileged, which might lead to bragging

Go and sit down. You've not done one single thing. Prove me wrong.

leetech:
this is evangelism sir/ma,people have different problems and are confused on what and where to go..its not about church but about christ,spread the word in your own way sir/ma...stay blessed

Tell them to go to Jesus and not to your pastor. Stop corrupting God's words. Is that what Jesus sent you to do on earth?

Seun:
The purpose of life is achieving what you want to achieve and becoming what you want to be.  The purpose of life is whatever you want to do with your life!!

This question is like someone asking "what is the purpose of money".  The purpose of money is to buy whatever you want to buy!! It's a JAMB question.

Uncle Seun, you didn't answer the question correctly. The OP didn't ask you what's your purpose on earth.

As an Atheist, what's your contribution to the less privilege among us? What's Atheism philosophy on the down trodden. What have you contributed to the body of knowledge apart from analyzing the Bible?

Some people believe in Extratterestrials and even go as far as claiming the bible god is one of many ETs who have visited this very planet in the past. Some people don`t. Well lets see what the christian`s favorite book says about that.

Okayyyyy...... . So you're saying God is Extratterestrial. Let me check my dictionary for the meaning of Extratterestrial.

of or from outside the earth or its atmosphere.

Of course. To be honest, I dont know why people will kill you for stating it.

The title is unfair to a lot of genuine men of God who serve God in true righteousness and holiness.

Our daddy in the lord,the general overseer pst. E.N SULEIMAN is a concentrated electric circuit of power, the medium to which the lord is using to manifest his wonders.A deliverance pastor with handsome number of years in the deliverance ministry.Distance is never a barrier.

Oga o, this is my first time of seeing church and a pastor being advertised. You're just spoiling God's name. What's the meaning of this crap?

enshy:
It is written 'God is not an author of confusion'
Will you ask the Holy Spirit to lead you against the scriptures?
My dear, read that verse over again and rather pray the Holy Spirit to give Grace to submit and obey!
I understand why you may want to keep your Fathers name but you put trust in God and not in Fathers name..God help you my dear! You know Ive always respected your Wisdom!!

Thanks enshy. Apologies for just responding to your post.
Let me ask you a question. Is it fair that after achieving certain things with my father's name that I should now change it to my husband's name after getting married?

For instance, after finishing my doctorate I got married, is it right for me to transfer the glory that should be of God and my father to my husband who never contributed to that achievement?

Note I never said I won't bear it. Everything I'll achieve under him will be under his name but not to things I've achieve before getting married to him.