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Sincere4u:
Hahahahahahaha,
That was very funny yet so on point.

They choose not to believe in the supernatural denying the very existence of God but their belief is so immaterial cos God exists and controls their own very existence.

Leave them. I'm sure one them will soon testify to his existence.

Atheists in panic mode.

Reality will soon dawn on you all.

It’s up you to develop and exercise yours. Though we will advise you to so. For God hate unproductive stewards. But ours here is to help you discover yours through a free online spiritual gift inventor

And who the heck are you? Are you the Holy Spirit? Do you want to take the role of the Holy Spirit?

James 4:3 says
And you ask and you do not receive because you ask amiss. That you may spend it on pleasure.
God will not give you his gifts to spend it on being influential because he commanded in 1st cor 1:29

That no flesh must glory in his presence.

Ezebohirepurcha, desist from distorting God's words.

Disjointed article. He's just jumping from one point to another with nonsensical analogy.

Even if you're a lone wolf you will die as a lone wolf. Because you're unorganized and unconstitutional.

I said it! This is a technical knockout to those unorganized and unconstitutional group of individuals.

I've not read it yet but I know it will be a blockbuster going by title. Make I first like your post before reading.

enshy:
Hi....Where have you been?
Be good!

I've been around. Thanks Enshy.

MaziOmenuko:
Someone posted a link to the guy ministering in his church. Go thru the thread first before trying to form persecution. It mains you guy so much when your holy-holy pastor get caught; if its an alfa you will be jumping all over the thread.

Obviously, you don't know me. Stop your generalization. Then the link should have been added to the original post.

Thought provoking! OP, may my God continually increase your wisdom.

K9Uneet:
Ordinary recharge card and you want to blasphem God Oya, send me your number make I recharge your phone for you. Poor boy!!!

Abeg send am recharge the card o.

This foolish thread got to frontpage without no evidence that truly the guy is a pastor.

Seun una well done. God pass una.

EVarn:
I'm singling out christians because we are the ones who demonize the idea; muslim sects already have the believe of a global caliphate,an islamic world government that will be headed by the caliph.
The whites will not "rule over you"; it would be a world federation where every continent has autonomy.

You are confused. If every continent is autonomous then it's no longer a central government.

You will later be claiming Christianity. By their fruit we shall know them.

Hian! Indeed judgment will begin in the house of God.

CatfishBilly:
Is it not luvmijeje again?
I knew she was gonna say something very ignorant to that wonderfully crafted reply and she didn't disappoint.

Hehehe! What's wonderfully crafted? May una deh deceive na self.

harry2ve:
I believe this topic is 95% directed to the females

Beautiful thread. Let's also be talking to our men. God do not permit men to defile the marriage bed.

It's the men with their ojukokoro eyes that go outside to bring different diseases to their wives.

I'm saying this because most of these messages in churches are focused on women.

EVarn:
Francisco de vitoria,the great poet Dante,the greek philosopher Polybius,Friedrich Nietzsche,Kark Krause who proposed the concept of the world being governed by five continents under a "Republic of the world" and even recently George Bush who reiterated the idea of a New World Order.
All these people were(and are still) criticized and demonized by christian movements.

Okayy! You've also given a lot of reasons why it's untenable so why are you singling out Christians.

assuming that the world can be governed in a loose confederacy of continental powers under a "Republic of the Whole World",then it would go a long way to foster relative peace,stability and economic development in the world as wealth will be redistributed from the rich nations to the poor nations and resources will be available for all people.

In other words the white man should rule over you.

EVarn:
If you had read the OP,you did have seen where I said "the idea of a one world government".It is public fact that many christians view a global government as anti-christ.

Idea? Who, when and where was the idea formulated?

I'm obviously missing something. What was the world government someone wants to form and Christians rose against it?

You will just be wailing for no reason.

SirJeffry:
First of all, I'm not afraid of the dream. Yes my dad died prematurely. He became sick after going down to the village to inspect his new house, they said he walked into a poison or so, I was a kid.

I once had a related dream and someone advised we took live animal to church as an offering which we did. That was long time when I was still home.

About my dreams, whenever I dream about someone dying, surely death will occur but not the person I saw. I usually predict how close the dead person will be to me by my participation during the funeral in my dream.

Spiritually, I must admit that I am not strong but I will improve.
I will try to pm all the spiritually strong men I read their comments. Thank you all.

Bros, you didn't take any live goat to church. You know where you took it to. You can lie to man but you can't lie to God.

Taking goat is not the solution to your issue. If you don't break that convenant your life will continually be in danger.

Bros, there's no problem that's bigger than God. I will end with a scripture in Romans 8:2

For the law of spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death.

Bros, it is only in Christ you will be free from the cage of sin and death over your life.

Hehehhe. .... .. . Atheists don enter another one chance. For this section, una go hear wen. There's no hidden place again for the ex golden fish.

OP well done o.

Franky826:
hmmmmm this ain't even cyphers or strange Roman calligraphy. I still see a mole(s) staring at my face and my hands are itchy but nah. I'll let it slide.

have seen your rebuttal threads nice work there

Thanks for your time.

cc luvmijeje

Thank you very mushhh.

frank317:
What if God was just playing prank on him... I mean April fool things

You this guy! Didn't you read where the OP invited only serious minded people who knows their left from their right.

Franky826:
Aunty luvmijeje thank you for taking things personal. sorry didn't mean to irk you .

1. Now to your question. am sure you realise(as an elite you are) spiritual battles are not fought with physical Arsenals. 2cor10;4. though the effect can be manifest in the physical. if a tree is burnt down spiritually​(fire of God) it can still have it's physical presence but it's essence is dead, completely useless!.
2. if this tree been torched spiritually( according to you) has it not lost it's essence and become useless?

'on the day you eat of this fruit, you shall surely die' this is God to Adam. Adam live 936 years before physical death though dead spiritually.

The Bible uses allegory many a times.

in the book of Daniel and most prophets they used allegories. Daniel referred to Alexander the great as a mighty tree (Amplified version).

Jesus spoke in parables and allegories. at a time he said. 'destroy this temple and I will rebuild it in 3 days' Am sure you know what he meant.

Am not reproving you to come to the consciousness of your​ little misinterpretation , but you see it's unwise to judge a book by it's cover.

Am not an atheist, freethinker, or a religious chap. I love learning and understanding or don't you?
I know who I am

I'm not irked. I've just come into the realization that's not everything you argued with people.

The bolded was my advice to the OP. The tree signify a convenant between him and the power of the darkness. It signify a hold the the spiritual host of wickedness have over him.

For him to have a victory, I was led to tell him, he has to go there physically and burn it down with the fire of God . But he can't do it because he's not spiritually strong and I'm 100% sure the OP know what I'm saying.

Franky826:
1.if there is a demon behind the tree, the tree also is an allegory according to you?
2. He felt threatened cos he was the tree?
same tree that should be uprooted?

well it's like pulling a gun and shooting your own foot twice.

it's all mumbled up and incoherent, your thesis up there I mean.

you kept repeating you going spiritual as if it's a threat(I hope not) at trying to clear up cache of confusion.

well if you go metaphysical or otherwise all I seek is you help op and my humble self clear things up.

By the way spiritual is a generic name which one are you talking about
Anyway I would fancy hearing/experiencing it

I know who I am

I'll end this discussion with my question to you. If a tree is burnt down to ashes will you be able to cut it?

By the way I said the tree must be burn down with the fire of God which I know your carnal mind will equate as the physical fire the way you have equated a tree to a physical tree.

Bros, please this is beyond your reasoning. Bye.

Franky826:
@luvmijeje according to your analysis 1.the two ladies are allegories of evil spirit
2. He should go with a spiritually more potent person to uproot the said tree which is the centre of the dream.

now op said in the dream the lady was cutting the 'evil tree' and calling his name to die before he launched out and attacked her. The lady being an allegory of evil spirit is fighting and attempting to annhiliate another evil? Thought they work in sync? Bible cites a house divided against itself shall fall.

Am not confused. but maybe your incoherent thesis raised the dust more and it clouded my eyes.
am pretty sure it did same for op.

It surely clouded your eyes. I'm not supposed to be explaining spiritual things with you because I'm guessing you probably don't believe in it. But I'll make an exception but I won't go spiritual with you.

The woman was cutting the tree and calling his name to die. And he came out attacking the woman.

Definitely he's not the tree. So why is the woman cutting the tree and calling on him to die if he's not the tree? Why did he feel threaten if he's not the tree?

Remembered I never the tree is evil. I said there's a demon behind the tree.

Let me stop there because I'm about to move into the realm of spirituality which you won't understand.

Franky826:
you are trying to sound non religious, mythical, psychological, and spiritual all at same time and ended up confusing a brother more.

How do you know that I confused him? Please stop projecting your state of confusion on others.

adepeter26:
Few years from now, Christianity extinction would be like that of dinosaurs....

It would become story, "ONCE UPON A TIME, THERE WAS A RELIGION CALLED CHRISTIANITY" - read by future generations

I can't laugh o. You better face your unorganized and unconstitutional belief wey you carry for head.

Bros, that dream is a revelation and it centered on that tree.
The woman you saw in that dream signify demon. To re-emphasize, she is not a demon o.

Bros urgently take people who are spiritually strong preferably your pastor and pull that tree down with the fire of God. Do not delay. Preferably go and see your pastor today.

You were not able to kill the woman because you are not spiritually strong enough to face them. Don't go alone o and the woman is not a demon. She and her friend signify the demons behind the tree.

They're just unsecured. Christianity is going nowhere.

This is a rejoinder to the article posted by Sheikwonder and the following is the link to the article :
https://www.nairaland.com/3713147/opium#55108894

So let's shoot.

Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification."

Okayyyyy.......... Lacram lapour. Too much English. Let's move on.

Taken at face value, the above quote seems like an argument for religion. Only if you consider the quotes that follow do you get a proper picture of what Marx actually meant:

What is the proper picture Marx actually wanted to paint? I'm starting to get the feeling that I finally meant someone who is convicted of what he read in the textbook.

"The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion. Religious suffering is at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.”

I raised my hope too early. Oh no! Another Lacram lapour. Let me sieve through the ramblings. I can't even sieve because I don't understand the op's frustration.

Why are you struggling against the right of others which is enshrined in the Constitution to practice their religion? What's religion suffering? The so called Atheists who are non-religious are they happy? If they're not, what makes you think abolishing religion will make one happy? So much questions.... Just answer these first.

You see, when Marx made this statement, he made a pithy observation with regards to class struggle. Religion, he said, was the people’s opiate. Opium back then was known for its soothing and soporific effect. When one was tired of the stress of daily life, he could always fall back on this drug for some mild relief. Of course once under the influence of the drug, you are powerless against the happenings around you and become enslaved. Marx was seeking to awaken class consciousness among the masses whom he called the proletariat. They had become completely blindsided by religion for whom it had become an ”illusory happiness” while been subjected to privation. “Work and pray, live on hay, you’ll get your pie in the sky when you die”.

Bros, Google the role of church in American Civil right era. Google the role of church in the abolishment of slave trade. Let's come to Nigeria.... Google the roles of missionaries schools which produced the politicians that fought for the independence of this country. When you finished reading, re-read your above post and see whether it makes sense.

In our world today, religion has indubitably taken center stage. The Pew Research Center estimates that about 84% of the earth’s population have one form of religious affiliation. This is like saying that in every 5 people, 4 are religious. The three major religions, Christianity, Islam and Hinduism alone account for some 4.8 billion adherents. The quest for “God” has surely taken a new meaning!

It's arrogant of you to think that you're superior to others who are religious. It's haughty of you to think billions of people are wrong while you're right.

My major grouse with religion is that it claims to have answers whereas it creates more problems than solutions. I should know as should the average Nigerian. It is a bit difficult to get accurate statistics on religion in Nigeria, but the Pew Forum in 2010 put the statistics at 52% Muslim, 46% Christian and 1% Other. Basically it is correct to say that the average Nigerian is religious.
I could go on to show in what way religion has ‘transformed’ the Nigerian society. I could tell you that we have at every point on our history been led by religious people, either Christian or Muslim. Despite what they hear in the religious houses, our leaders are on average, crooks! This is no sweeping generalization, anyone can see that, Res ipsa loquitor.

My grouse with you and your fellow critic of Christianity is your lack of knowledge of specifically of Christianity . If you are knowledgeable, you would have known Christianity is against greed. It's against corruption. You would have known one of the greatest commandments Jesus gave to his followers was to love our neighbors as ourselves. It's naive or probably mischievous of you to say everyone who call himself a Christian is a true follower of Christ. There are millions of Christians who are not crooks and we don't get to hear them being celebrated because it's not news.
While there are millions of people who don't believe in God and are crooks and they are not judge as an Atheist but as an individual. Proverb 15:27 says

He who is greedy for gain troubles his own house. But he who hates bribe will live.

You can't be a true follower of Christ and not be obedience to God's words.

The buck doesn’t stop there, it goes all the way down. Over 3 million Nigerians participated in the failed Ponzi scheme known as MMM. It was advertised in churches! A fraudulent scheme which was promoted in the “house of God”. Pastors encouraged their members, some even took from church coffers to invest in the scheme. Avarice in the “house of God”.
Need I mention Islam? Al-Qaeda, Al-Shaabab, Hezbollah, ISIS, and much closer to home, Boko Haram. All terrorist groups that run on Islamist ideologies. Religion has caused more wars in history than any other thing. This is a verifiable fact.

But do you know the people who criticizes the mmm advertisement most. It was the members of the body of Christ who know their right from their left. My church didn't advertise it. There are hundreds of churches who didn't advertise it. So I don't know what your problem is.

We have heard of different cases where religious buildings collapse due to negligence and people die. Does the government hold the religious leaders culpable? No. They do not want to risk the wrath of their many followers who are valuable given their voting influence. In fact, the same followers will say “Touch not mine anointed…..”. Religion, not the law, reigns supreme.

A big fat lie. Oh! You have not heard of Reverend King who was sentenced last year to death. If the Justice system is not doing his job it's not because of the church. No one is bigger than the law.

Every year, we hear prophecies from “men of God”. Apparently “God” revealed the future to them. At the end of the year the disparity between the prophecies and reality are as far apart as east is from west. Yet followers will blindly defend these religious leaders to the death. For every failed “prophecy”, it was “the will of God”. Oh really?

2nd Peter 3:8 says

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

If God truly sent them, it will happened. It will not be according to your timetable but God's timetable.

We are told about how people get “healed” at crusades. People with supposedly incurable diseases like cancer and HIV get “spontaneous remissions”. Hallelujah! Yet for every one person who gets a “healing”, there are thousands with common ailments who leave the crusade grounds disappointed. “You need to have more faith” the pastors say. Indeed. Isn’t it rather convenient that “God” only performs “healings” on crusade grounds? He is omnipotent, and omnipresent. Surely with “faith like a mustard seed” one need not go as far as Ogun State to get “healed”. Then again, you must remember that if the “men of God” perform their “miracles” on the streets, the people would have no reason to go to church to pay their offerings and the usual “10%” called tithe.
I will not talk about the irony in giving 10% to “God” while your children cannot afford to attend schools owned by your church. Or the joke in having 5 of the 10 wealthiest pastors in the world coming from Nigeria while 60% of Nigerians live on less than a dollar a day; ”in everything give thanks”.

And who told you God performed miracles only on the crusade ground. So much ignorance. And he's saying it with authority. May una go church, you will refuse. God heals people everyday.

Paying tithe is an instruction from God. It's not from a man from God. So you that don't believe in God have the gut to tell others to disobey their God. That's so rich of you.

Our thinking has become completely warped by religion. We select our leaders not based on merit but based on their religion. So we must have a Christian/Muslim ticket for the posts of President and Vice-President respectively. So who is going to represent the minority who do not belong in any of those religions?
At work we see religious bigotry in place. He is Muslim therefore he is not fit for the job. She is Christian therefore I will employ her. We sacrifice effectiveness on the altar of religion. Look how that has turned out for us.

That's life and that's politics . Life is never fair. The so called first world country also voted based on religion. The majority of people voted Trump because he's not pro-abortion, pro-gay pro-muslim, pro-immigrant while the guy is unfit to be a President.

People vote based on who will protect their interest. Welcome to the world of politics.

I will take it a step further and engage the controversial subject of sexual orientation. The majority of Nigerians are clearly against homosexuality, not based on any concrete reason stemmed in logic but because it goes against their religious beliefs. It is a good thing that some people are beginning to wake up and realize how atavistic and anachronistic it is to base one’s present beliefs and way of life on “holy books” written hundreds and even thousands of years ago. The same religious books that condemn homosexuality are mute when it comes to the subject of slavery. In fact, many slave owners back then were religious people who based their beliefs on these religious books. You only need to see the movie “12 Years a Slave” to get my point. Fortunately, some people woke up and realized that slavery is barbaric and today it has largely been abolished even though other forms of it such as child labor and human trafficking exist today.

Your rant against slavery has been dealt by me. Check the link below.
https://www.nairaland.com/3673254/rebuttal-christian-owned-slave

For homosexuality, Nigerians are against it not only because of religion, but culturally, historically, legally we are just not used to it.

And people tends to hate what they can't understand. E.g You! You've never had encountered with God so you can't understand why people are passionate about Him. So you detested him and generally detested who served him.

So no, we don’t need religion. The French philosopher Jean Jacques Rousseau in his social contract theory argues that man being prone to rebellion and wanton desires realizes the need for authority. So he surrenders some of his freedom to a higher authority, the government, who in turn enters a contract with the individual to protect him from his own excesses as well as the excesses of others. The individual must thus obey the law as the law is an expression of the general will. The law having its legitimacy derived from the people is autochthonous and is the standard which all are subjected to. When one person falls short, he must face the music. I do not answer to secondary laws derived from holy books as they are “subjective”. I will not commit murder not because the Bible says “Thou shalt not” but because the law says so. This is one of the problems in our legal system because laws have become subjective; Sharia law in the north and Judeo-Christian laws in the south. How does that even work?

I don't understand your wailing. You're not being forced to obey God. The only Constitution recognized in this country is the Nigeria Constitution and the last time I checked it was formulated by men and not God. This thread made me realise that you're intolerance as the Muslims. If you get into power, you will deprived people of their right to worship their God.

In the end, I hold no grudges against anyone who chooses to follow organized religion. However it becomes an issue when it begins to permeate every sector of life. As Marx says, “Man makes religion, religion does not make man”. For some, the promise of “eternal life” is enough for them. I prefer to live life based on what is, not what will be.

Wailer! I still don't understand people's belief and who privately worship their God is a threat to you.