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ScepticalPyrrho:
^^^

You are backing the wrong tree girl.

Have you answered it? Did I miss the answer?

If they answer it, I'll quench. The most difficult and unanswerable question for the week.

JerryTemi:
please I indulge all of us to keep sentiment aside and put yourself in her shoe how will you behave? forget following the church rules and regulations please if you were her how will you handle this? when my only brother was sick,when I mean sick very sick and I needed help from my church as a worker in that church and the church said I should come back that they want to verify if my brother is a member but me that is a worker can't you look at me and do it for me,am not just a worker,I do other things for us in CHURCH, but when they couldn't help me and my brother died, Jesus I lost the respect I have for Churches, I see it as a place people look for saints,money and members. Ma I will tell you nothing but the truth,none of them not even the pastor have the right to condemn you,Jesus died on the cross for people like me and you, I keep them that nobody has the audacity to judge me because you are not in any way better than me,the things they do in secret if you hear it you will no that we are saint close to the door of heaven. Take your baby to another Church and dedicate him but from your house tell your baby who he is, bless him,pray for him.Assume you did abortion
that would have made you the best Christian Abi?Have this at the back of your mind Nigerians practice RELIGION NOT Christianity. kiss your boy for and tell him that I love him and his welcome.

Please do accept my condolences, I've also been in your shoes.
I don't know how big your church is but if it's like my church that's more than 1000 members, then you will realise the needs the church is facing. My church also pioritise. Remember the money is limited in comparison to the unlimited needs.

So when I see people encouraging Christians not to drop offerings, I shake my head.

The church rules didn't exist because of you. The rules is in existence before you. It's arrogant of you to expect the church to bend her rules because of you. OP, you are not yet broken.

Seun, who was the mod that took this to the front page. Are they not suppose to proof read it? All becos you saw church and protest, una rush am to frontpage without applying due diligence.

Solidkay:
Re-read d topic,n u dnt xpect me to put their faces here,I av got morals.

Oh! So you know is not moral? But you can report it? So reporting is moral? Oga, complete your work.

Freeman147:
But, we know the catholic church(othordox denominations) do not frown on consumption of alcoholic beverages, so far its in moderation. Just like churches in Europe hold prayer meetings with beer as refreshments. Don't also forget that some Nations in Northern Europe have little fresh water supply/sources, hence they substitute with spirits like Vodka which is functional and logical, as such water would be very cold at room temperature, and spirits also have a warm(hot) effect on the body.

Summary: Moderation is key, let Afrikans not cry more than the bereaved, because the Caucasians that introduced this Religious Dogmas have reasoned beyond all this shenanigans. Afrika must wake up!

That’s not my point. We are talking of ordination of priests. I've not stated my opinion yet, I'm only asking for the pics as an evidence that it was truly done in a church.

Ask God for the Holy Spirit and holy spirit cannot stay in a temple that's not holy. And you're the temple.

bamisepeters:
i understand, it is just one sided today, it might be other way round tomorrow, I am not always bias when i write because i believe in balance too.

Eehnnn! I hear you o.

Where are the priests? Where are the kola nut? Where is the church?

Nice one, OP.

Valid question.

How's it a concern of yours?

A God who's not a man that should lie or the son of a man that should confess. Anytime I enter into his presence to give him the praises only him deserve, the above description of him must go forth out of my mouth.

See question.. .. .. I hate injustice o. Can the man accept it? Thank God, for my encounter with Christ. Let God's will be done.

Pastafarian:
I'm yet to hear a criticism of Humanism

I've done the criticism, please help me to beg your fellow Atheist, Seun to release my post.

adepeter26:
One confused sect I Ve known iare Christians.

Outta thread

You people should face topic o and stop jumping in and running out of thread.

CatfishBilly:
Why are you using Bible characters?
Use real life humans to illustrate instances of people who did bad and God forgave but still experienced repercussions for their bad deeds.

See me, see wahala. If I share it with you will you believe? The Bible is our Constitution. Anything not back by the Bible is null and void.

I'm defending God's words, Abeg, where else am I suppose to quote from?

All this unorganized and unconstitutional group of individuals will not allow us read better things.

GoodMuyis:
Doesn't matter but discredit you whole post, being the subject of last paragraph, it sum up your whole idea. If we are on debate platform, I gain a point from that hole i punch

Christian disbelief in restitution, does not rendered is invalid. They disbelieve in it because of their selfish mindset

Don't mind him. He has not read the story of King David who slept with one of his men's wife. He should read persecution of Apostle Paul who spearheaded the Killing of Stephen. God's forgiveness doesn't mean you won't bear the consequences of your sin while on earth.

OAM4J, may una release my post.

So Let's go Matt 6:6-8

6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

8 “Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.

Emphasis on verses 8. The reason why most Christians do pray repetitively is because our faith is not yet strong. We are easily bother by what we see and not focus on what God can do.

For instance, God's promise that you will not lack. Rather than holding on to that word, immediately you see that hunger wants to kill you, you will run back to God making the same request he has sealed in heaven.

Mark 11:24 says,

24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
I will tell you a personal experience. There's something I've been praying to God for and God told me he has done it and I should start preparing for it. There was a day pastor raise the same prayer point and as I was about to pray it, do you know what the Holy Spirit told me, He ask me, do I still want to pray on what he has done? My brother, I sharply turned it to a prayer of Thanksgiving.

Since then, any prayer I've prayed on, when next I'm praying it, I'll turn it to a prayer of Thanksgiving. Thanking him for doing it irrespective of whether I've seen it or not.

myking95:
Been following and contributing to your threads with sound solutions to your probelm..butbfor you to post this nonsense... It shows u are not serious about deliverance

I followed your post and I agreed with you that lastchild is not ready to be deliver by God. Imagine girlfriend, not even wife. Hosea 4:6a says
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:

I love the responses of Christians on this thread. Una head correct.

come from a very religious family and I've learnt that trying to assert intellectual superiority or chiding people for their simplistic views on life and faith won't get you very far.

Birds of the same feather. A stove calling kettle black.

This is the kind of news, the media will fail to put on their frontpage. But if na bad thing, nairaland and Co will not allow people to read other news again.

I was banned twice by anti-spam bot for responding to Pastafarian and I don't why.

OAM4J, Seun, your mail mod button is not working. Kindly release my post.

donnffd, I'm not responding to your quote because you refused to answer my questions. I'm stating this for record purpose before someone claim you put holes in my argument.

Pastafarian

this is strawman
I said I'm sure humanism would make the world a better place, I never claimed it has made or its already making the world a better place, big difference

Wahala wa! You should have stated this earlier before I opened a rebuttal thread. So you're not sure? And you are an Atheist? Is that logical?

another misguided question, atheism isn't adopting anything anytime soon ever!

its like asking you if Christianity has adopted pineapple as their fruit

like I said, you have several misconceptions about atheism

Go and sit down, it's because Atheism is unorganized and don't have any other thing working for them apart from criticizing and analyzing the Bible.

My position on morality is that it is neither absolute nor subjective. It is a combination of both. It is objective in the sense that the data is not contingent upon anything but it is not absolute in the sense that we are thinking agents making choices. Many theists would ask, what is the standard or the foundation of your morality?; and I would declare that my morality is derived and founded on objective evidence but rationalized by individuals evaluating the objective evidence. Let us use an example to demonstrate this ....

Hian! You still didn't answer my question. What are the proposed objective method to develop morality ? Shebi na you talk am.

1) Is murder wrong? Many theists would simply declare that murder is wrong in all situations since it is not in gods nature, or the bible says that it is wrong and there moral foundation is derived from the bible. There are many things wrong with this. Firstly, it would still mean that morality is subjective. Morality would be contingent upon a god making it arbitrary. Secondly, this only tells you what to do not why you ought to do it. It gives no reasons why murder is wrong, in other words, it has no back-bone. Thirdly, with an absolute morality it means you have to throw out your own moral compass and judgement. How did you they even come to the conclusion that there god is moral without using there own subjective morality to evaluate the stories in the bible? You would need to use your own morality to declare that the bible is moral. Also, they never provide evidence for an absolute morality, nor do they demonstrate that they have the correct one, Nor the mechanism they used to discover it. From my view, murder is not always wrong. There are many situations where I can think of that murder is justified. For instance, if an intruder breaks into your home and it about to decapitate your mothers head, I would declare that the murder of the intruder is justified in this scenario. So how did I formulate this? step 1) Appeal to objective evidence so morality isn't SIMPLY subjective--We know our body has brain receptors that cause a sensation of agony and pain. This is simply a fact that cannot be refuted. There is more evidence, but I will only list one. step

Okayyyyy.... Murder is a sin in christianity but do know what makes christianity a beautiful religion. Your sin is easily forgiven by God only if you ask forgiveness in his son's name. It won't stop you from entering only if you truly repented. So all what you wrote up there is a non-issue in Christianity.

By the way, we already have this in existence. That's why we have the justice system.

2) Rationalize the situation using the evidence to come to a conclusion --- We understand that the killings of innocent people would not be justified as it would cause unwarranted suffering and agony. The reason we should not do this is because the sensation of agony is not tolerable to most people and they do not wish to have such torment placed upon them. In conclusion, a morality that is debated, scrutinized, evaluated, discussed, rationalized, and well-thought out using objective evidence is a much better moral system that an absolute morality that is declared upon us. With an absolute morality you have barbaric evaluations of morality

Oga Ade, Christianity is not a force. We the followers of Christ willingly subject ourselves to the Biblical law.

I

don't see how "God" counts as an answer to the question of morality and its origins. If someone asks, "Why is murder wrong?" it seems to me that replying "Because God says it's wrong" does not really answer the question. Why does this hypothetical god call murder a sin? Because he said so? Or is there something about the nature of murder that makes it wrong? If morality is just a list rules we must follow, then the reasons for those rules don't matter. This god could change them at a whim and we'd be commanded to change as suited. But if our morals are based in reality and are invested in the consequences of our actions, then gods are irrelevant. We have the capacity to investigate and discover what is right or wrong.

To be honest I still don't understand your reason for your argument. Is Nigeria planning to adopt a theocracy form of government? Are we not practicing your form of morality in this country? Is Christianity a force?

Consider the fact that (fortunately) few actually follow the Bible or Koran as a moral code. They simply find verses that seem to affirm their commonly accessible moral understanding. Thus, the cognitive dissonance is strong for those who must confront the Bible's deep ethical shortcomings, while claiming it as their ethical compass. While some reject these less savory aspects of the scripture, Some Christians faithfully concludes that the Israelites must have been right in their genocidal actions, slavery, incest, and other acts of brutality, as they were led by God. They're the ones that compromise their own moral intelligence to accommodate a Bronze-Age text of no relevance to our modern ethical understanding. Civilizations across the world developed moral codes for very earthly, pragmatic reasons. No deity Is needed

Wailer! Even the so called law of the land, are you totally faithful to it? The Bible recognize it. The Bible recognize that some people are the hearers and not the doers of his words. Matt 13:19-23 says
19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

Ranchhoddas:
I think I like this Luvmijeje girl...She's tenacious

Thank you, my Oga.

donnffd

How about we try this, "Do unto others what you would want others to do unto you". Is that objective enough for you?, and please dont tell me it can also be found in the bible, while i agree, it by no means originated with the bible, it can be traced by to conficious...

Is not objective? Whether it originate from the Bible or not is a non-issue. But was it one of the commandments Jesus gave to his followers.. .. . A big Yes.
I'll also give you an live illustration. I detest lies,I hate it when people lie to me. Because I detest it, I definitely don't lie to people . What you can't accept don't do it to others. How's that not objective?

The problem alot of Nigerians have is that they know very little about science and when someone talks about it, the person is seen as a dullard, its really strange, thats why we dont innovate in this part of the world.

Yes, he was correct, chemicals control your emotions and feelings, and most likely are involved in the creation of consciousness. Have you ever heard of Neurotransmitters?, if you havent, please just do a quick google search, it would help you alot.

Oh No! Another scientific jargons. Don't give me that crap. You cram and downloaded a textbook and you can't can't explain it to the public who are majorly not scientists. My questions.... What's are the name of the chemicals? What's neurotransmitters and what's his relationship to this thread? I'm not doing any Google search, you said it and you should get ready to defend it. When you question the Bible, I didn't ask you to goggle it.

Yes, we did win a cosmic lottery to get here, do you know the chances for your parents to meet given the number of other potential partners?, do you know the chances of your parents having sex the exact moment they did that you got conceived?, do you know the chances of the sperm cell that formed reaching its destination first?

So man got to earth through cosmic lottery. prove it? Who was the first man to mistakenly wander himself into the planet earth? How did he get here? What mode did he use to get here?

Pastafarian:
that's how Nairaland works, the owner of the OP is still responsible for the thread

let me for the sake of argument accept the fact that they didn't quote you erhm, Randomperson actually quoted you on the thread about beating slaves to death here https://www.nairaland.com/3673254/rebuttal-christian-owned-slave#54468433 and you didn't reply so far

And I responded. I even gave an illustration. What else does he want?