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SulemanDEFENDER:
Evil MUST be stopped.

People need to talk . That's why the Facebook page was created

Tell the Pastor to publicly beg the lady not to abort the pregnancy, if he's innocent. Then signing on to Facebook page will not be an issue.

It doesn't matter.... ... ... It is still an unorganized belief way of thinking. .

randomperson:
How do you know god is a spirit?

How do you know God is not a spirit?

randomperson:
You have seen God's awesomeness?? Well, that's the same thing Muslims, Ogun worshippers, Zeus worshippers and adherents of other religions claim... And u can't all be right.
So can u explain the awesomeness that adherents of other religion experience and how it is different from yours...

I can't because I don't know what they felt. You tell me what they felt?

4everGod:


He wants to run an experiment.

Imagine... .. . Running experiment on God.

randomperson:
See this one sha... I was probably a more committed Christian than you are right now. All my classmates thought I will become a pastor....
I know what you will say, I was not a real Christian, never had a real relationship with god, bla,bla, bla... The same thing a Muslim will say about another Muslim that converted to Christianity....
And if God cannot prove his existence to all people then what kind of a god is he?

But I've seen his awesomeness. So something is missing. Please retrace your footstep.

Ranchhoddas:
Confirm. For how long does he have to do these things before drawing a conclusion on whether God is real or not?

I hope you didn't miss the part that says in spirit and in truth. John 4:24 says
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
So go and start faking it o, the all knowing God will know.

randomperson:
When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money.”
—Exodus 21:20-21 (RSV)

Now do u believe the bible or not

Let's read together. And the slaves die under his hands, he will be punished.. .. .. . Meaning inhuman punishment is not accepted by God.

Let me give use an instance, no one can hold you responsible for disciplining your child but the government will step in when you beat your child to death... .. true or false.

And I've also give you a lot of Bible verses where God enjoined the masters to treat their slaves in the same matter they also want to be treated by him.

4everGod:
They assume that negatives are never proven but forget that a negative when multiplied by a negative results to a positive. When disbelief becomes anothers position of belief is same as when a belief is a persons position.

If i disbelieve that my father is dead that translates to me believing that he is alive. My unbelief has given rise to my belief.

Why do these cacophony of atheists never ever think outside the box? Why why why!

They have become victims of their own making.

randomperson:
You never prove negative... That's impossible. U are the one to bring evidence of God, and he tells you why that supposed evidence doesn't prove god.... That's just pure common sense

But I've told you the step to take for you to see God. Have you try desisting from all sins? Have you try serving him in spirit and in truth? Have you tried obeying all his commandments?

If you've done all these and you still didn't see God, let me know.

frank317:
How do u know my ass does not taste like sugar, prove it logically

I'm not disproving it so why should I prove it?

4everGod:
You are asking a dumb man to use his mouth to give you directions how to get to Victoria island from Sango Ota. Wait and read his confusion in words.

...... . I don tire for the guy matter.

frank317:
Spirit ni Ghost ko.

No man has seen God

No man has experienced him with his give senses

He only lives on people's imagination (he is imaginary)

The name God is only used to fill in the gaps e.g we don't know how the world was created so therefore God did it or I woke up early this morning... God did it.

Different people have different concepts of the word God... Which makes it obviously a man made concept man uses to understand a confused world

He is only active in the speech of men

He can be so great yet so vain and inactive

You don't see, u just simply believe by faith

What logics prove do u need again to show he is not real?

How do you know that no Man has seen God? Prove it logically.

ScepticalPyrrho:
This is the kind of statement 4evergod will never attest to. No hypocrisy.

4evergod, I can argue against the above. Because she clearly has admitted not having knowledge but belief.

Why is it so hard for you to do the same. Perhaps we would make progress and discuss your true reasons for believing.

Thank you Sir. God is a spirit and for you to experience his awesomeness, you've to go into the spiritual realm. And how do you get there? Heb 12:14 says

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

For you to see God, you've to be holy because he is holy. You can see is beyond the logic of men.

CatfishBilly:
What are you even on about?
What was the predominant religion in the south, then?
Christianity.
What was the religion of the slave holders?
Christianity
Whose voice was heard the most trying to defend keeping slaves?
Christian slave Masters.
The Christians who were against it sure didn't make their voices heard.
Go and read about it like I said, then we'll talk.

The dominant religion in American as a whole is christianity. Other religions are in minority.

frank317:
What's this? Sometimes I think u guys are just mad. Soon luvmijeje will call this a great quote. And that's how u guys breed fools

Hehehe.. .. .. . Frank will not kill me o. I'll tell you why it's a great post. You're telling Christians who believe in God by faith to prove the existence of God... .. .. Did christians ever claim that they can logically prove the existence of God who's beyond human understanding?

But Atheist who called themselves logical thinkers said there's no God.... .. .. oya prove it logically?

randomperson:
So did the law talk about intentions? The bible permits a person to beat his slave to death. Yes/no.

No.

It is the shameful attempt by christians and other religious persons to switch the burden of proof to those who from the onset have declared their lack of believe in the existence of their God(s) on the basis of lack of evidence.

Hehehe. .. ... what's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

randomperson:
This Op is just being dishonest.
Your god endorses beating a slave to death, as long as the slave doesn't die immediately. How can you equate that to disciplining a child. Can you beat your child to death??
You don't want to admit that the god you believe in is the kind of God that will endorse acts as barbaric as slavery... But the facts are right there for all to see.

Oga, who told you that the intention of the master was to discipline the slave to death? Nobody will have the intention of beating someone to death except you are a murderer.

CatfishBilly:
I've been civil ever since I started commenting on Nairaland, please, don't make me change.
I don't appreciate being called a liar.
I wrote SOUTHERN Christians and American Civil War. it's not my fault if you can't understand the difference between southern Christians and Christians or American Civil War and Slave Trade.
Go and read up on the religious cause of the American Civil War, then we'll talk.
I said you were going to spin it and you didn't disappoint.
You even had to distort what I said to make your point.
Na wa

It's dishonest of you for you to label everyone who supported slave trade in the south as Christians while ignoring the fact that there will be others who are also in same South who are against it.

It's like saying Nigerians are corrupt. It's called fallacy of generalization.

GodsMopol:
Let them come and feast, pls, madam, na ground make them sit down ooo, no give them spoon self

I won't give them chin chin. Thank you my Oga.

They can only insult.. ... ... let me re-read it again. This is the post of the day.

Calling an elderly who are not your parent, Daddy and Mummy is cultural. Using Sir for someone who outrank you spiritually is courtesy.

They even go as far as saying " the God of pastor X should bless them". Some have given everything to "the pastor instead of to God".

How do give one give money to God?

Because they are men and not God. *I choose to listen to a pastor but will not blindly do "anything he says" if I feel it is not what Gods word says.

This is the only part that resonate with me. Let every Christian read the words of God.

We have read it before... .. .. .. Christianity is going nowhere.

cc panafrican, Zoharariel, CatfishBilly, hopefulLandlord,
Wilgrea7, tijjanioyan etc...... .. .. where are thou? Food don done.

First of all, Let's look at the definition of slave using Merriam Webster dictionary

someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person without pay.

For you to be qualified as a slaves three things must exist..... You must be legally owned by someone else, you must be forced to work and you won't be paid.

So let's go into the Bible, the first person to owned a supposed slave is Abraham and why did he needs it Gen 13:1,2,6 explained why
So Abram went up from Egypt to the Negev, with his wife and everything he had, and Lot went with him.
2 Abram had become very wealthy in livestock and in silver and gold.
6 But the land could not support them while they stayed together, for their possessions were so great that they were not able to stay together.

You would'nt expect Abraham at an old age, even at any age to singlehandedly handled possession so great to the extent the land couldn't contained it.

Who was the first supposed known slave in Bible? In Gen 19:3-4

3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. 4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.
When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress

A slave was given to Abraham by his wife. Do you know what it means? Let's break it down. Sarah has given up at that age on given birth to her own children. So it means at that point Hagar's child will the inheritor of Abraham's vast Possession.

And Sarah willingly gave everything she has worked with to her slave. Does the definition of slave applied to Hagar?

In addition God who doesn't discriminate as long as you serve him also pour out his blessings on Hagar in Gen 16:10

10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”

So that is the background of the so called slavery. So let me start debunking some quotes.

1.) Genesis chapter 17, verse 12:
“And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised”.

In this passage God understands that people buy other people and, quite obviously, is comfortable with the concept. God wants slaves circumcised in the same way as non-slaves.

You didn't finish God's words

Then In Genesis 17:13, God said

13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant.

God never discriminated when making his convenant with them. What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

2.) Exodus chapter 12 verse 43:

The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it. Any slave you have bought may eat of it after you have circumcised him, but a temporary resident and a hired worker may not eat of it”.

God again shows that he is completely comfortable with the concept of slavery and singles out slaves for special treatment.

Lies! Lies! From the verse you quoted, Let's read it together. No foreigner must eat of it. While any slave you have bought may eat of it after you have circumcised him. Oga, God gave the go ahead for slave to eat of his convenant as long as they are circumcised like the other Israelites. So What's the special treatment?

3.) Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

“If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property”.

Not only does God condone slavery, but he is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves, as long as you don't kill them.

Project 13:24

24 Whoever spares the rod hates their children,
but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.

You can see from the above verse that the Bible is not also averse to disciplining your biological child. God doesn't spare his rod when it also comes to us.

Heb 12:6 says

For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”[a]


It's not only slave God encourages us to chastised. Please stop your lies.

One of the reasons why the American Civil War was fought was that the Southern Christian fundamentalists wanted to hold on to their slaves because it's their God given right and they had numerous Bible passages to back them up like the ones quoted above.
So, as far as the old testament is still part of the Bible and hasn't been scrapped, my brother, as a Christian, you're allowed to keep slaves.
Watch luvmijeje, enshy and Godsmopol come for my hide.

This lies from the pit of hell. Why are you lying to make a point. Kindly refer to the article below to educate yourself on the roles Christians plays in the absolution of slave trade

http://www.jubilee-centre.org/the-abolition-of-the-slave-trade-christian-conscience-and-political-action-by-john-coffey/

The Christian Gods approved of slavery, but by outlawing slavery, many Christians have rejected their Gods' endorsement of slavery, and thus become more moral.

God recognized slavery but when given out his blessings he never discriminated between a freeborn and slave born. Joel 2:28-29

And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

The Christian Gods approved of selling female children as sex slaves, but by the treatment of children as fungible property, even if the children are cursed with two X chromosomes, many Christ

Please kindly expatiate the reason for your wailing.

but d new testament welcomes slavery,Eph6:5-9,Col3:22-24,4:1.

Eph 6: 5,6,9 says

5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

Oga Ade, what's welcoming in this passage. From the above passage we can see the Bible enjoined people to treat their servants well.

Col 3:22-23 and 4:1

22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. 23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters
4 Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.

So how's the above quote welcoming slavery.

In conclusion, God never gave a law on the ownership of slavery but he gave a law against the mistreatment of slaves.
And gave laws that will qualify a slave as a partaker of his convenant.

There are a lot of things that is acceptable to God in those period and it's invalid now due to change in time's and laws . I'll give 3 instances.

Killing of goat as a sacrificial offering.

Owning a slave.

Circumcision before you can be accepted by God.

Only a priest canbe sanctify from sins. etc

Wow!! Immediately I finished reading this thread, I stood up from my seat and started given a round of applause.

You've summarize my issue with their unorganized belief. WOW! let me re-read it. This is a blockbuster.

frank317:
what are you saying? are you alright? how has the ability to list what science have done made me stop using my brain?

Shatap od has not done anything in ur life, u know why? everything you will mention can happen to anyone... they are life and not God. you might as well say i a the one doing them for you and still get away with it.

you God does not exist, deal with it.

Hian! Na wa o. How do you know it can happened to anyone when I've not even tell you what it was? Is that logical? Fake Atheist.

frank317:
You call science foolishness?

Name 3 things religion have done for the world

I will name ten things science have done for the world.

Foolish questions the op asked don't have one single religious explanation. Except if one pops up an idea in his head then that's cool.

I have answered the op on the question on how the earth came about: it was created by an alien monster who hates humans... This monster is not a God he is just an alien monster.

Can you see your life? So because you can comfortably list what science have done, you will stop making use of your brain.

Ehnnn no wahala, that's how Christians feel about the Bible. I can comfortably list what God have done in my life, that's why I stop my thinking process when it comes to him. Because his ways are not man's way.

hopefulLandlord:
there are gotquestions and other apologist sites who have twisted it not to mean slavery lol

I find their explanations hilarious

I promise to destroy those nonsense if luvmijeje can open the thread today

Hehehe... .. ... At least I've two people that will read and comment on my soon to come thread.

CatfishBilly:
I'm waiting to see how you'll spin this one.
Really.

I don't deal with spinning. I deal with Biblical facts.

frank317:
More like, of I start believing in God, I will see foolish things as sensible.

Please how does believing in God make the question 'Give us the Birth concept: tell us the process of birth or Does atheism teach morals? What are they? Or Give us a brief account of the history of atheism or Give us the Man concept : tell us how man interracts with nature 8. Give us the Force concept : how do you interract with force make sense.

Please girly, tell me how believing in God make either of these questions sensible

You should have answer the question so that you will able to see his point. If you had answer it, we would have shown you comma in your answers. We would have shown you the folly of Atheist who are not critical of so called scientific fact but are critical of the Bible.