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The both can not be compared on the same context..why?.. because each is felt and experienced in a totally different state..but in each case they all heal either short term physical or emotional pain or the long term physical or emotional pain

davien:
I said I could give evidences that support the big bang....proofs I cannot give...because proofs are mathematical and I have no consensus to use conjectures about the cosmic microwave background(i.e I'm not an astrophysicist)..
If you are looking for proofs...then consult an astrophysicist for mathematical conjectures(proof)

I will take that as a hypothesis and not real facts

gatiano:
How can a muslim attack a mosque? anywhere that the name of GOD is been mentioned be it Yahweh, GOD, JEHOVA, ALLAH, A Muslim will never attack such places, NEVER!

But The opposite is the case today in kano..you might wanna address your brethren on a killing spree again.

gatiano:
i had to check the dictionary meaning of impunity, i honestly don't know how it implies. anyway, i didn't derail the thread. it is just a fact that a lot of people are so unjust in their way of life and thinking, that is why we find mostly in africa and everywhere else that the innocent is imprisoned and the guilty walks free (impunity), you hear from one side and fail or refuse to the other side, then in what your heart consise as justice, you judge the innocent wrongly. you called a whole people terrorist, what is the meaning of terrorist in the first place? were other religions not terrorizing people and undermining their development. even that is besides the point, can a people or person see his people being slaughtered and sent away from their lands and then they should be looking, doing nothing and be expecting all the blessings after they are dead? that is christianity and watered out and down islam (suffer for world, enjoy for heaven). Original muslims are not like that, we don't even carry weapons of any kind, however, if you try to kill me, in my self defence i will kill you first and thank ALLAH for not placing my life in my enemy's hand. what is unjust about that? always investigate both sides before judging. don't be fooled.

I cant call such person peaceful..today's kano bomblast is already causing up-rage in kano..because it was close to the jumat mosque near emir's palace and some ignorant and clueless religious extremist cant hold their peace, they have even assaulted the press that came to cover the incidence . How many attacks have been carried out on churches? Do you see christians rising up for retaliation? Ah ah! 'chesed ve shalom aleinu le makhbir ma'aminim ba mashiakh' (May grace and peace be multiplied on we believers in Christ)

Whatever really happens to turning the other cheek in islam

Besides this are your self proclaimed islamic brethren (bokoharam) attacking your mosque..smh

yazach:
So also the real christians are the like of Adolf Hitler, Ayo Orisajefo(Boko Haram arms supplier), Catholic terror in Vietnam etc. You will need to read your bible very well

When you think some people have brain then dey just surprise you.

Was it Orisajefor that kidnapped over 200 school girls and forcefully converted them to ISLAM, was it Adolf Hitler or catholics in Vietnam? Are they also responsible for ISIS in iraq?

When they ask WHY ARE MOST TERRORISTS MUSLIMS you quickly run to other political and war crime committed in the PAST to justify your present day inhumane terrorism on mankind. And still claim you are peaceful

Is like Yazach failed his aptitude test, and when his daddy asked him why..how comes you fail?..Yazach quickly point to his friend Maamin that also failed his aptitude test.

Why is truth so far from you? Hun!

yazach:
Who could have done this?

Many are feared dead in a bomb blast that occured at Kano Central Mosque on Friday during Juma’at prayers.

Kano Central Mosque is where the Emir of Kano usually leads prayers on Friday.

Details later.

source:
http://leadership.ng/news/392076/many-feared-dead-bomb-blast-kano-central-mosque

Options:
A- Muslim
B- Christians
c- Bokoharam

Stop trying to rub your miserable and shameful acts on christians just to proof islam is innocent joor! ..option B does not fit into those options.

Your kingdom is against itself as much as it is against others. Deal with it..

gatiano:
haaaaaa! there you go again, You in your mind and thought, through your mouth accused GOD/ALLAH, Your GOD, of raping and commiting adultery, yet you love him and mock him everyday in the name of praises. your GOD is divided into three entities or dieties, father, son and holy spirit. to me that is an ineffective god, he is only 33.3% effective so he needed a spirit and a son to be effective, that god is nothing to me, with the power ALLAH imposed on me and the knowledge ALLAH gave me, i can crush your god forever, the three of them, yes me, a nobody because i'm sure of myself and i know who backs me. Your god is not sure, he needs two others to be somewhat confidence. ALLAH needs nobody's permission, he is self made, and he made everything. since you have accused GOD of raping and adultery, that means Jesus is not a child of Love. and we know GOD is LOVE. Love is not raping or adultery. if you were Joseph, mary's husband and Jesus's real father, how would you feel? well i know, since it is your unjust god, you won't do nothing, that is why anybody can easily rape our women/daughters/mothers/sisters and we can't do nothing. what a pitiful people. was not it taught to you that the first commandment is you shall not worship anyother except Your GOD. this mean 1 entity not three. some christians added mary, some eastern orthodoxy christians have multiple saints that they worship. and you have the gust to call muslims names, you my friend/brother don't have a chance.

Shut it already
What a highest level of impunity

You are just spitting on our faces..am sick and tired of ur unintelligent comment since the beginning of this thread, you have dubiously Succeeded in derailing this thread

Lets go back to The topic: why are most terrorists muslims

Truly ronaldo is good but messi is the best.

Unibenstudent:
Yahweh is supreme and he is GOD that is el shaddai but yeshua/Jesus is his only begotten son ,the only created person who God has proclaimed as his Son ,and Jesus has come to gather those who behaves like him into his vine yard,,yeshua is subject to Yahweh while human being are subject to Yahweh and yeshua..

Nice. But Am not really sure about the bolded..cause it was not stated in the scriptures.

sinequanon:
Another one who thinks it is about "who's side you are on".

Theists think I am an atheist.

Atheists think I am a theist.

It is neither.

It's called freedom of thought, and ability to think critically.

You missed the point of my THOUGHT experiment.

It is not about what has been discovered, but poses the question of how we would recognize lifeforms which take on a completely different form to the ones we are familiar with -- or even have no form in the conventional sense -- like a field.

Freedom of thought?..O dear! Am sorry to say this With all the above then you must be thoughtless..smh!

cedric24:
block head

Thank you!

Jesus loves you

sinequanon:
Here is a small thought experiment.

Imagine there were no plants on Earth -- no grass, flowers or trees etc., just animals, insects and so forth, able to sustain themselves without plants.

Now, imagine that we discovered a tree on another planet. Would we recognize it as life, or just some curious statue-like protrusion?

Have you found any curious statue anywhere in the universe other than earth? Now why is earth so special whereby other billions of galaxies are dormant in respect to living organisms? That is my point Probability fall short of that here..you and Davien better dont come back with such statistic here

davien:
please structure your posts well.... to all your questions about "who created this and that"...
You have yet to prove them being "created"...hence your question does not follow..
And asking me why earths orbit is "so favourable" out of 100's of billions that aren't is like telling me I can't roll a die and get a 3 out of a trillion tries.
Asking why scientists haven't found life is irrelevant to claims of "magic"... Even if the solar system had an abundance of life...it wouldn't still mean a "magic fairy" did it.
Not being able to account for every single detail does not lead one to postulate "magic"

No is not irrelevant is either you and your scientist dont know what you believe and defend vehemently or you are shying away from the truth.

davien:

Lol.... what evidence do I have that anything wasn't magically poofed into existence?....well for one....magic has never been established to be in existence nor demonstrated to poof objects into reality.
And you are still running in circles with yourself here....no one stated he/she created any natural phenomena....we merely manipulate them to derive results that provide an understanding to them.

Who created or better yet where did that natural phenomena came from that you and your cohorts manipulated..and I so much believed that you are not among the manipulators..but sheepishly accepted what they fed you too..

Take for example this analogy.... If matter can curve space to create a force of pull/push(gravity),then the light approaching objects with tremendous mass would appear curved.. do we observe lensing of light? Yes.
What happens to a spinning coke can if left spinning in a frictionless environment that has a lack of an atmosphere? ...does it conserve its momentum?

Who created the matter that can curve space that in turns create a force of pull/push gravity?..even at it(matter) lowest state where by it is perceived as thin air.

If you are indeed a "science student" you'd know the answer to that... so the primordial earth as it accreted kept to its rotation...
I think you mean galaxy not universe...
And "life" as we know it has not been established to be lacking or in abundance in any galaxy.....

You must think you are talking to a babe..the primordial earth kept to it rotation,hun! did the planets including earth, set their selves in rotation? And what exactly do you know about galaxy and universe...have you discovered any life or none in; let's even say in other planets in our Milky Way?.

The only place known to harbour life is the earth...
Whether life is lacking or in abundance is a non sequitor.
I wouldn't call the earth a precious tranquility when 2/3 of it is uninhabitable and its managed to kill 9/10 of all species... more like a plant that managed to grow within the cracks of a concrete pavement.
And at best if we are ignorant of "life"....anyone postulating "magic" would just be making an argument from ignorance fallacy.

And you know that the only planet known to harbour life is earth ..so how much of science break through was there to kick start the tiniest living organism on earth? Why is there no other intelligent life outside earth..why must earth orbital be soooo favourable? Which of you so called atheist scientists is responsible for it?

italo:
No evidence!

He just believes what some other Atheist must have said.

Blind FAITH!

The same thing he accuses religious people for..smh!

johnydon22:
and there again, you are still beating around the bush. . . very simple show me a copy of ur scripture here in nairaland and i will show u a copy of the enumaelish... simple

Didnt you said we copied something from something?..what is the thing we copied from that something and where is your own evidence of that something which was copied from? you are the accuser here remember?

davien:
[s]And the point you are making is what?..
Actually the earth's gravity can push objects away....its rotation creates a fly-by anomaly that can give an additional velocity.

And the planets revolve the way they do because they keep to the law of conservation of momentum....they'll keep that initial velocity(u) they had at the time of their accretion.....including the heat(which is now situated at the core)..

The solar system is filled with rogue planets(planets without a sun) so counting 9 planets out of billions that keep a conservation of momentum in the solar system as a sort of aha "it's designed" is quite redundant. [/s]

Save those for yourself am a science student.

No one claimed a scientist made anything natural....people do claim it being magically spoken into existence and that claim is what you've been avoiding ever since..

And what are your evidence they were not magically spoken..for science to define a phenomena doesn't mean they created or found answers to it origin.

Initial velocity must have been induced by something or force capable of doing that and keeping it constant for thousands of years..how many other billions of universe has life been discovered on?..not even Andromeda the closest to Milky Way has life on it.

And you are here talking about no magical spiritual force responsible for this precious tranquillity.

johnydon22:
nooo please abeg no dodging with insults.. please we are here tobshow things, so show me a copy of urs here on nairaland and i will show u a copy of mine here on nairaland... everybody is our witness

Am not dodging with insult..so spear me that crap!

You came out of the blue and accused Christianity of plagiarism of ancient believes, and I supposed that these ancient believes pre-dated Christianity. You should provide the similar script verses,chapters and epistles where Christianity was lifted from if you are truthful and honest.

I need not show you any evidence ok..besides the scripture is even there for the blind to see.

Beat my imagination already pls!

cedric24:
[s]First thing first, learn to communicate instead of using insulting words. That's not considered a good education.[/s] Well, originality is not the same thing as it being true. All lies have origins. The original liar knows he lied but to those of us who don't have the facts will take it as truth until we are able to find empirical evidence to either disprove the "original" lie or otherwise. So, to be original does not say anything about it's veracity. The Egyptian religion that christianity copied heavily from is considered original by most historians and also evidence from ancient texts and archaeology support its authenticity, at least to the people of that era. The question is not whether there's God or not. Nobody will complain about religions or even question their authenticity if they have the right effect on the society. So many promises but little to show for it. In most religious texts, you read about the fact that the most important law is the law of love and that all believers should ensure they promote justice, equity and harmony in their society. These things are only spoken about, often with gravitas, but in practice nobody pays heed to them. Most christians, take for instance, only attend churches because of the promised blessings and the hope of heaven. People don't go to church because they really want to learn how to change and become good human beings. If it were so, the nigerian society would not be this rotten. So, you "serve God" out of fear of hell and not because you want to obey the simple law of love. Your pastors and overseers, seeing this weakness seek to take advantage of you and they through subtleties and subliminal messages make you surrender all your monies. You give them your energies, your sweat, and some even their bodies and souls. What has the society benefited from our supposed knowledge of God? Have you succeeded in making others richer and you in turn become depraved and desperate and disconsolate or the society is better because we are moslems or christians? This present society cannot move forward if we continue to act with impunity and fail to question all our intentions. One odd thing i see in us religious people is the inability to think properly. Your reply is suggestive of that fact.

First things first..learn to differentiate between insult and description of what you are.

Now what we demanded for is simple..this your so called original but fake Egyptian religion Christianity copied from where is it? ..at least we have the Bible. And stop dancing around in circle

@ the last bold, Can I also call that an insult? ..by the way am not religious

You are guilty of what you accuse us 'real fact and evidence'

cedric24:
Why do we have to go to the bible or qu'ran to read up passages to support our claims all the time? Why can't we point to things in our lives as evidences to support the written text? What does that say about the claims in the word? something that's supposed to transform our lives, yet we have to be quoting texts and passages every time we are cornered. The same word states that "by their fruits you know them", where are the fruits? We are good at talking but in deeds we are like lame ducks. Truth alone can't stand until we are able to practice it. Keep your bible and start doing. Keep your qu'ran and start doing. Start living folks!

@ the bold quote is taking out of context.

cedric24:
[s]
The only thing that matters is our own existence. If we can prove our own existence and know all that we need to know, then we will know all things. We can't know things that require resolution greater than the most powerful microscopes to observe their presence until we become the microscopes. Religions and folks should stop arguing about God and deities and focus on knowing more about ourselves and the world we live in. This planet does not exist in vacuum. I have a strong believe that if we all come to know all that we need to know about ourselves and the world and act accordingly (changing our attitudes to reflect principles and natural laws), we would come to know all gods, be it God, angels and all that we are yet to know. In a forest full trees as big as the oaks, the irokos and all powerful tree species, how can a miniature shrub claim to know everything about the taller trees? The shrubs have to shut the f**k up and grow up till they can boast the height of the tiniest oak in the forest. We talk about God yet we are destroying the earth, we are living lives of desperation, greed, anger, crimes, and all forms of vices. We have to first grow up and become pure like the deities we talk about or we want to know about. If not all these will just remain as unproven knowledge and our emotions will continue to undermine our positive intentions.[/s]

Were you saying something?

davien:
It is a label describing the consequence of mass present in space which creates a force of pull(or push)....that is termed gravity.

You can demonstrate it by allowing any object with mass to free-fall.

Gravity is as much as a descriptive term the same way the label(or term) given to the act of rapid acceleration of your feet is called "running"....


So do you want to question "running" too? or ask how one can prove "running"?

Now....ditch the tap dancing...and for the third time....have you any evidence/justification for your belief in a "god"?

Trash..gravity push or pull? ..did you create any force of gravity?..even the words you are typing here you didn't create.

Why is the gravitational force of the earth pulling things to it centre why not away? Why is the universe so in order for thousands of years and will still be like that for as long as you can think..with the planet revolving in a specific pattern in their orbit?

Which one of ur scientist gimmick put this in place ?

johnydon22:
...lmao... where is yours

Typical of a deceitful, dubious and unintelligent liar

Let me know when next you have something better to say

Weah96:
Yea, I've been studying biology for most of my adult life.

And FYI, there's nothing wrong with not knowing something. It could be that you don't have access to the information. Or that you don't understand it. Or the information may not even exist at all.

What's wrong is simply making up a co:ck and bull story to serve in the stead. That's wrong.

A master's degree holder in biology have never heard of 'Biogenesis'?

Are you lying or something?

johnydon22:
...lmao... where is yours

I thought we copied from some where na?..so I want to see the real copy

davien:
Gravity is the label given to the phenomena observed....its not an entity.

Really..tell me more

And as a result of this,the so called phenomena does not exist or is not real?

Androgynous:
fire purifies gold but sawdust is burnt to ashes

you carry your heaven n hell within you

...but ...

whatever you know yourself to be is what determines your present continuous situation

be that heaven or hell

Are we on the same page at all?

Weah96:
I have a master's in cell biology from Georgia State University. I also graduated from Clayton State University with an undergraduate degree in biology.

Wow..congratulations! But never understood the pre-eminence of life and all things

davien:
Loool!.... You are the one uttering a "god" without evidence and you want me to give you evidence against the unvalidated claim?!....
while your running up in circles here...why not also tell me to also give you evidence against a 5-sided square?...
You are the theist here....you believe "god" is real,i do not....so either provide an evidence/justify your beliefs so that we know its real or tell us you have no reasons to justify it...

You might want to Give me evidence for gravity..by showing me gravity itself

They think they are wise...infact an intelligent person wont disregard the existence of a creator(God). Only The laws of uncertainty is a big stumbling block for them

@BossTtdiamonds dont go that far jare! That dude does not understand biogenesis.

italo:
I too want to know.

They foolishly believe anything their fellow Atheists put on the internet...then accuse others of blind faith.

Deranged set of homo-sapiens with reprobate minds

johnydon22:
lmao.. the egyptian jagons bro. . . . deal with it. you cannot tell me the egyptians copied from urs when theirs predates urs by numerous centuries.... lol. . .

you still havent tell me which God is in existence!!!

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