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An2elect2:
I don't believe in that three in one hogwash. I stand with the scripture that describes God as one in number

Where in scripture is it written that Yahweh is not Jesus Christ? am still waiting for you to provide the scriptures to back your claim.

Wonderful..it amaze me that people that believe think that Jesus is Yahweh like you here still exist. Have you no scriptural understanding? Even the John 3:16 you sing up and down in your sunday school was very clear about this very issue and I asked you to read it but you came back ranting that Jesus is the same as Yahweh..what a shame , here is what Paul says to people like you 1 Cor.15:34 34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.


Still on 1 Cor. 15:27-28 .."27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Have you seen how clear this chapter made it that the Son (Jesus) is Subject to the father (God)?..so An2elect2 how did you come about mixed up doctrine of trinity where in the scripture Yahweh is said to be Yahshua?

And of-course we have one almighty God Yahweh (Eph.4:6) , who is God to Jesus and father to him too...this is why I hold the hebrew Shema very tight Deu.6:4

"Shema yisrael Adonai Elohinu Adonai ehad"
(hear O israel the lord our God the lord is one)

several times Jesus made us realise that the father is greater than him.
Jesus could do nothing of himself but what he sees the father does. If you are really a follower of Christ you will know who Jesus follow.

1 cor. 8:6 "6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." ...here God is made known as father and Jesus as lord..denoting two separate entities not One as you have said.

2 Peter 1:16-17
"16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he(Jesus) received from God(Yahweh) the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him(Jesus) from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Also Jesus said “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done” (Luke 22:42).

This shows that they had two separate wills, although Jesus submitted his will to the will of the Father.  Two wills mean two separate individuals.

Furthermore, Jesus is reported to have said, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46).  If one of them forsook the other, then they must be two separate entities.

There are just too many verses to debunk your one in three co-equality catholic Doctrine brother. Jesus is Son to Yahweh

An2elect2 your father can not be the son of himself....Jesus is the Son of God(Yahweh) Ok!

An2elect2:
You are clearly confused indeed. You mean you worship a 'mighty God' who is not 'Almighty' and also worship another 'Almighty God' who is not 'Mighty'?
Guy you need help. Swallow your advice and open a new thread so i can be used to help you think straight.

You are not only completely deprived of Spiritual truth but also deprived of logic.

Hahahaha, how do you want to convince me that your god is three in one..nonsense..when is written all over scripture that Yahweh is not Yahshua? Hun!

An2elect2:

You must be confused..open a thread on this and link me up. And I will teach you. You dont know and you dont want to accept the fact that you dont know...

An2elect2:
Lol are you okay? don't you know what the apostate catholic church believes concerning the Godhead. Three persons make one God. If that's not absurd and heresy i wonder what it is.
I believe that God is one inseparable being who is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. He doesn't need to divide Himself to perform.

What do you want to tell me? that the Son is not God or is God but a separate being? Common, bring it on. Use scriptures to back your claims and let's see how far you will go.

You have just erred that is a big error on your path bro , I dont think you know the scripture. Jesus is a mighty God but not the Almighty God(Yahweh).

In John 3:16..God gave his Son, it didnt say God gave himself. You should know that a higher authority is giving up another who is lower than him. Hope you dont read your bible upside down.

Am at work right now as soon as am less busy..i will give you loads of verses to chew on.

An2elect2:
You are not a catholic? prove it!

Where in scripture did God identify himself as separate beings?

O dear!..you are the one that even sound like a catholic right now..where did God(Yahweh) identify himself as Jesus(the Son) in the scripture?

Even the popular John 3:16 has debunked this claim flat down.

Let me know if you need more verses from the bible. Finally You will be in great error if you think they are the same being.

An2elect2:
Well, you are a catholic after all

Am not a catholic ..Jesus is the son of Yahweh, not Yahweh himself ok...two separate beings.

Can the adherent of this religion give us reasons not to term it violent? ...if fatwa can be issued on the creator of Danish cartoon I see no reason why same people cant come out in full force to kick against those terrorist tarnishing their religion.

rattlesnake:
its not Islam that's doing this is the devil.... Are there not Muslims in Dubai or Saudi

This is just satan

In other words, you are telling us there is no devil in Dubai and Saudi abii?

lightking99:
"The Savior--yes, the Messiah, the Lord--has been born today in Bethlehem, the city of David! And you will recognize him by this sign: You will find a baby wrapped snugly in strips of cloth, lying in a manger."" (Luke 2:11-12). Hope u get it now... Btw are you save?

O dear, you are even more confuse than I thought.

OKDnigeria:
here is he has to say...

Where is the video na?

lightking99:
SHOULD CHRISTIANS REALLY CELEBRATE
CHRISTMAS?


Christmas period is a time of celebrating the
birth of Jesus Christ everywhere in the world,
but should we really celebrate Christmas at
all?" I think this short article can be of little
help, let's see:

OPPOSITIONS
There two major reasons people oppose
celebrating Christmas as Christians. The first
reason is that Christmas originated from
pagan worship, and the second reason is
that Jesus was not really born on December
25th.


(i) Origin: Should we celebrate what
originated from pagan worship? Well, the
point is that it was actually the holiday of
Saturnalia that the pagans celebrated then,
not Christmas. Christmas was a replacement
of Saturnalia festival in Christendom;
Christmas solely celebrates Christ Jesus, and it
has no link or connection with idol festival as
far as Christmas is concerned today. To
oppose Christmas because the similar or
same day was formally celebrated by pagans
is wrong. If you oppose Christmas, then you
will oppose Easter because both have similar
history; if you oppose both Christmas and
Easter, then you will need to oppose going to
church on Sunday, because Sunday was a
formal holiday for the god of Sun, and if you
oppose worshiping on Sunday, then you
must oppose calling days like Sunday,
Monday, Saturday, etc. Because they all have
idolatry origin. If you still believe the names
are attached to idols, like Sunday for Sun god,
and Monday for Moon god, and you don't
worship God on Sunday, and you mention
the idolatry names? Then you still agree with
it.
Christmas was not celebrated for the first
300 years of early church, until the catholic,
so also church auditorium or Christian
conference was not built by early Christians
for 300 years until the catholic. Building
church auditorium can also be traced to the
pagan gods. Does that means building church
auditorium is evil? No, but it must be
moderate, not multimillion or magnificent as
these modern Christianity and even those
who claim holiness. The fact that Christmas
was traced to pagan festival does not means
it is wrong to celebrate Christmas. Today we
celebrate Christ at Christmas and Him alone.


(ii) Day of Birth: Jesus was not born on
December 25th, and it is not necessary for
Christmas day. People can choose any day to
celebrate Jesus' day of birth, because He
owns all days; only we, the humans, can be
tied to a day we were born for birthday.


MUST WE CELEBRATE?
Do we have to celebrate, sing and give gifts
to mark the birth of Jesus? The answer is
YES? Luke 2:13, "And suddenly there was
with the angel a multitude of the heavenly
host praising God and saying:14 “Glory to
God in the highest, and on earth peace,
goodwill toward men!”
Angels in heaven celebrated the birth of
Jesus, so it is not wrong for Christians to
celebrate the birth of Jesus, as long as Jesus
alone is mentioned and no connection to any
idol or selfish purpose. It is not wrong to
celebrate Christmas as long Christ is the
center of the celebration and everything you
do glorifies His name; it is wrong for people
who celebrate self or sinful indulgences
during Christmas. Christians can celebrate
Christ at Christmas and share with people.
THE BAD NEWS
The bad thing about Christmas is that it's not
everyday; the joyful feeling, the celebration
and sharing do not last, only for few days,
and the worse is the Christmas day, it goes
faster and ends. I wish it can always stay
longer with such wonderful feeling. The
worst is that if only during Christmas you
experience the joy of the birth of Jesus, then
you are a miserable person. Christmas
celebration doesn't last, but the good news is
that when you accept Jesus into your life as
your Lord, you will always experience more
than the joy of Christmas. If you have not
experienced the joy of Salvation since you
have been a Christian, then you are
unrecognized by Jesus, you need genuine
salvation to have the unlimited joy.
If you have lost your joy of Salvation, you
need to get it restored. Repentance, that is to
realize and ready to forsake your sins, and
accepting Jesus as your Lord, are the only
means to have the unspeakable joy of Jesus!
When you become saved, you begin life that
pleases Jesus, not your self or Satan, you
walk away from any form of sin; that is
when the birth of Jesus will bring joy and
justification. But if you realize Jesus as Savior
of the world and remain in your sins, it will
only bring judgment.
We can care for Christmas by celebrating
Christ, but more than that, we should be
celebrated by Christ through genuine
salvation and living in holiness and
righteousness, so that we can celebrate with
Christ forever in heaven!
John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that
He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever
believes in Him should not perish but have
everlasting life."
MERRY CHRISTMAS IN ADVANCE

So how does this verse explain or support the birth of christ and why it must be celebrated..and who told you the angels in heaven were rejoicing over the birth of Christ?

I think is a community *in GEJ's voice*

The peace they seek for is not going to be real..is going to be temporary.

The bible says:

1 thess. 5:3
"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

The kingdom we have now is not meant to favour the believers in Christ Jesus. This is why Yahshua (Jesus), thought us to pray like this.

"Our father who at in heaven hallowed be thy name Thy kingdom come..."

Take note of the bold..a true believer is to pray for the lord's kingdom to come in this end time. Maranatha (our lord come)

Shalom aliechem le makhbir kolam (peace be multiply to you all)

Damn this shit is good hope nobody here have diabetes?

@OP..Can someone take the name to the bank to cash money?

davien:
Its not surprising you don't understand...
Perhaps you are bald and found that analogy offensive..lol
Either way.....is the lack of hair in bald people,due to the fear of hair?

check my pics on my profile..am far from bald ..i dont find it offensive a bit. Is just that your analogy was used wrongly.

davien:
So you think I "know"or "fear "god"....lol.
You can keep telling yourself that, it probably helps you sleep better at night believing atheists fear "god".
while your at it why not say bald people fear hair?

Wrong analogy

davien:
I wonder how you can assume people fear "god" when you don't fear allah nor thor nor krishna nor xenu....or perhaps you are masking that fear too?

This are all fictional Gods..there is just but one true God. That is why it pricks you a lot to discredit his existence.

Or do you believe in krishna and Thor. We could start from there you know.

An2elect2:
Whats wrong with the new testament? They are both from the same Spirit and in the same book. So whats your point?

Well this is one verse in the old testament that clearly depicts Jesus,the promised messiah as God. Isaiah 9:6. Not just God but Mighty God.




There are 2 things involved here:

1) How can someone be with God and still be God?

Your words are always with you and what you say tells us who you are. Your Words define you.


2) Can you show me where Jesus himself teaches the above verse? remember jesus said 'A servant is not greater than his master.' is John greater than him?

You are quoting out of context there. He meant his followers cannot escape persecution in this world cos they are not greater than Him who went through so much suffering.
John is a direct witness of Jesus' life ministry and the life of Christ here on earth will be buried if no one writes about it. Who are those more qualified to do this than His disciples?


3) How do you reconcile this verse “ God is not a man , that He should lie, Nor a son of man , that He shouldvrepent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?...We all know jesus was a man.



I don't know what you are talking about here. What i see are quotations of scriptures out of context.


4) Jesus reitreited Moses message in Deuteronomy 6:4 in Mark 12:29 was he still refering to himself?



Yes that was Christ referring to Himself as ONE LORD, the only LORD.


more questions coming.




Hmmm...Excuse me please, is Jesus the same as Yahweh?


Yes. Absolutely.


First of all i believe Paul to be a false apostle.


Well, that's wrong cos Paul was chosen by God himself And the other apostles were able to recognise that same Spirit at work in them working in Paul to unto the gentiles.


Can you validate your point about Jesus being God with the words of Jesus himself without that of his apostles since the servant his not greater than his master?


Out of context again

@bold, Jesus(the Son) is not Yahweh(the father)..Jesus is from Yahweh but not Yahweh himself...though he carries his father's name too [b]YAH[/b]shua

Lmao.. someone should tell him to put his money where his mouth is

I smell something fishy

When he gets elected he will be like "boys you can now back down am finally on the throne"..then he will say that he curb BH.

Damn this zobo is good..who made it?

drnoel:
so u understood wat it meant from the unset? Anyway, let it rest. I've got other things 2 do.

Nonsense!

drnoel:
I see u are looking 4 issues. If u want one u just landed at the right place.

So now am the one looking for issues hun?

Who was behind the keyboard typing this nonsense?

drnoel:
.....illiteracy is a disease.....

Later you call yourself a Christian

drnoel:
nothing 2 worry yasef about. Its in the past. Look 2 the future

Just like I thought

Kassidy90:
Thats y i asked u to shove it......because u dont knw me

And if I dont know you..that means you cant share what you believe in with others? smh

drnoel:
u saw what i wrote so tackle it

Couldnt make any sense out of it that's why..come again pls!

DaBullIT:
Thanks , I'm not trying to prove over-sabi though . A question was asked and I answered , All I know for certain is that before the day of the Babylonians , whatever the name or the first civilization is @?@? The world spoke one language , God was angry because they tried to build a tower that'll reach heaven and that how the world began speaking different languages

From that biblical account of the event , its safe to say every tribe, nation, belief and religion was one ! Until tower of babel ,I am sure that you'll agree that information is suppressed OR exaggerated once it leaves the source , depending on who is making the report , Take Nigeria for example the stories of creation for Yoruba , Hausa and Igbo traditional beliefs are almost the same , One god sent a messenger , in Yoruba land Eledumare sent Oduduwa . Oduduwa had a Crow and sand and so the story goes

I guess my point , my assertion , my assumption is that my argument is not in the realm of impossibility , Keep a open mind and read a lot , you would see reason in my argument but it doesn't mean you must agree with me .

For more info , type your search word and end it with wiki. E.g. oduduwa story of creation wiki. You'll automatically be directed to wikipedia and that's a source you can trust 85%

Ok, I repeat again we dont worship thesame God..thanks!

Kassidy90:
Comments like urs makes me smiles.....u knw nothing about me or my believe, so pleaee do me a favour....shove it..

Whatever your believe is, can you pay the same homage visit like the pope to other people's shrines and temples and pray and bow to what they bow to?

Hexzyz:
contrast this with this Bible verse

For when they shall say, Peace and safety ; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:3

When anti - christ comes, he is going to make the peace which the world clamour for. Then this verse will take it's effect.

Gbam!

adepiero:


From the above it clearly shows the bible was referring to Prophet Mohammed (S.A.W) because Christians believe Jesus (P.B.U.H) to be God and not a prophet.

The phrase: "I will put My words in his mouth", takes on great significance because Prophet Muhammad was unlettered; he did not know how to read or write. Normally God would put the message in the Prophet's mind. In this case attention is drawn towards "words" being put into the "mouth".
Prophet Muhammad's sayings as well as eye witness accounts describe his receiving the verses of the Holy Qur'an , and his tongue moving with the words being put in his mouth.

Turning to the New Testament, let us look at Also John 15:26-27, John 16:5-8 and John 16:12-14.

So you believe all this hun! Later you turn around and say the bible is corrupt abii.. mohahmmed must be turning over in his grave right now in disappointment.