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OtemAtum:
This is how the universes should operate. Good things, bad things, atrocities, problems, fun, peace, etc are all parts of existence and God Almighty which created Yahweh and Allah do not make just imperfect worlds like ours, there are uncountable perfect worlds too, which are mostly afterlives in the inner universes.

Oladiplenty101:
Peace be unto u

My brother Zayd actually divorced her before the PROPHET married Zainab
Read the verse again Al-Ahzaab 37


Note:that was just to correct the impression that divorced women can still have a sense of belonging, and all the messengers actions were not really their will but that of Allah (swt)



Pls my friend give ur points on facts and not mere assumptions, may peace be unto u

ichuka:
You are right.but I don't think demons are fallen angels.
Fallen Angels are principalities while demons are there foot soldiers.
2.fallen Angels don't posses humans
That's the job of demons.
3.Fallen Angels where created directly by God,while demons are the result of fallen angels mating with daughters of men.

CAPSLOCKED:
SONS OF GOD MEANS SONS OF GOD. IT'S VERY STRAIGHT FORWARD, NO NEED TO MEANDER HERE. HOW DO YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE WITH THE SOLE AIM OF MISLEADING PEOPLE? TRUTH IS TRUTH AND MYTH IS MYTH.

MOST OF THE STORIES IN THE BIBLE WERE WRITTEN BY PEOPLE WHO WORSHIPPED MULTIPLE GODS. ANCIENT PEOPLE WERE POLYTHEISTIC AND THE GODS THEY BELIEVED HAD CHILDREN.

THE BIBLE IS A COLLECTION OF TALES FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES. NOT INSPIRED BY ANYTHING DIVINE.

Ahasco:
Christianity and all other forms of religion has brought nothing more than corruption, deception, lies, poverty and all forms of growth hindrances.

bunbit23:
The truth you can't get in the church because they lack the spiritual knowledge.

MuttleyLaff:
"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing:
but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."
- Proverbs 25:2

I doubt, we are going to have the pleasure and privilege of reading her talk about any point,
in her own words and/or according to her own understanding

ivysunday:
You said this because you think truth can be concluded in one sentence. No, it is not that simple. All articles I posted are written by Xunfeng our Spiritual guide. He has been writing for several years. If you are patient enough, then just read. All answers are in his articles.
Yes, I posted from his book. I can give it to you, ask yourself, do you really want to read it?

MuttleyLaff:
I blitzed through almost all she has ever posted as much as I could last night.

I enjoyed what I so far read, and the little reservations I had, here and there, didn't stop me from bookmarking for future reading.

It is a shame, it's somebody's else work or article, that's published and not her own composition, thoughts or
what she sees from her viewpoint

MuttleyLaff:
Maamin, remember when Jesus asked His disciples the question who do people think He is.
After they gave him various answers to what the people thought He was, He then asked:
What about you? Who personally, do you think I AM?

I have discovered, some posters rather pass on what others like the pastor, the teacher, the guru etcetera somewhere have said or written about a matter, without they themselves having not much, if at all, they have anything at all, to say themselves on the matter.

How can you query them when they arent the author or source of what is posted?

[quote author=Primesky post=70479336]That didn't answer the question at all!. God the Father remains the Head of the Trinity.

The argument against Jesus Christ being part of that is the subject of contention!. So don't hide behind that verse.

The question for those who say, Jesus Christ is not God is, how come He, Jesus Christ is the fullness of the Godhead bodily?. How can a non God, according to some persons, now be the fullness of the Godhead?.

I have tried to use water, ice and vapour to explain this thing, and I said, the head of this trinity of water, ice, and vapour, is water!. They all revolve around water!. Yet they are one!. God the Father is the Head of Christ, God the Father is the Head of the Holy Spirit. But are we saying there are now three Gods?. No!. We still have one person manifested in trinity!.

If Jesus is talking, or if the Holy spirit is talking, they can only talk in terms of the Head, which is God the Father, because they are one, and united!. They can't exist without the Head!. Why are you people confusing yourselves on this?.

It's very easy to let this matter go, but for someone to say that Jesus Christ is not God, but a created being just like us, is completely false!, and it will be wrong for believers to keep quiet about that.

May the love if God rule our heart. But ultimately, may the truth of God's word prevail. Shalom

[quote author=ivysunday post=70496136]The Greatest Creator is the only. He is also your greatest creator. In Lifechanyuan, we call him Allah - Ancestor of Buddha, the Greatest Creator. Because all these names refer to the only.

All these articles are written by Xuefeng, our spiritual guide. I am still learning and not capable of debating with others. If fact, most answers to our questions，we can find answers in Lifechanyuan corpus and Xuefeng Corps.

[quote author=MuttleyLaff

Bookmark her 7 page worth of comments, then mine it, to find out

Maamin c'mon now. No PMs.
Let all discussions be here, in the open, for public consumption

ivysunday:
I am one of Lifechanyuan celestials.

Lifechanyuan takes the Way of the Greatest Creator, but what is the Way of the Greatest Creator and what are its meanings?

In general, the Way of the Greatest Creator is the Tao of nature, the Way that Jesus Christ, Buddha Sakyamuni, the immortal Lao Tzu, and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) guided people to take. The Way of the Greatest Creator has eight major meanings:



1.The universe is the product of the the consciousness of the Greatest Creator.

2.Everything comes into being through its creation.

3.Everything runs in the consciousness of the Way of the Greatest Creator.

4.You must give play to your nature and conform to nature.

5.You must revere the Greatest Creator and follow his example.

6.Reality is the portrayal of all kinds of free LIFE consciousness.

7.Happiness, joy, freedom, and blessings are the main melodies of LIFE.

8.All is but a game.

ivysunday:
Origin of the Universe

1. Introduction


Before many chemical elements were found, most of the chemists didn’t know how many chemical elements are there on the Earth and their relationship. Dmitri Mendeleev had already made the famous Periodic Table of the Chemical Element, calculated the atomic quantity of elements and showed us the relationship between them. The elements discovered later were all included in his Table.

The case has demonstrated everything in the Universe has the order and laws. Some people say the Universe is lawless and disorderly because they haven’t found the laws and order.

2. Origin of the Universe


All things within the time scope, including the celestial bodies and Universe, have their origin, the birth time and process of development. The beginning and ending time of the Universe, just as theπ and golden ratio, is mysterious and can’t be reached by our wisdom. Compared with the wisdom of the Greatest Creator, our wisdom is just like a drop in the sea. I would like to share my knowledge of the beginning of the Universe gained while my mind was in peace.

When I am seeking what things in the Universe are eternal, when I am thinking about the resurrection in the Bible, when I am meditating the “The life is like a dream and all the four elements (earth, water, fire and air of which the world is made) are void” in the Buddhist scripture, when I am trying to figure out the source of Tao in the Tao Te Ching, when I ask myself why I would go to the Mortal World, why we exist and where we are going, I have known the beginning process of the Universe. However, when I am delighted to think I have found the mystery of the Universe, I suddenly realize that this mystery of the Universe beginning was explained by the humans (the ancestors of dragon nation) 6,000 years ago. It is like a Mt. Everest climber, after reaching the peak after multiple difficulties, finds someone else has left his footprint on it. Thus, I am not bold enough to claim myself as the first one knowing the Universe beginning. I only wish to add some details based on the wisdom of the past talents.

The River Diagram, The Book of Changes and the Yellow Emperor’s Book of Internal Medicine have told us the process of the Universe beginning is : Wuji generates Taiji, Taiji generates two polarities, the two polarities produce the four directions, the four directions create the eight


3. Before the universe was Wuji.


What is the state of Wuji?

Wuji is the state of neither in nor out, neither big nor small, neither bound nor edge, neither null nor true, neither time nor space, neither material nor spirit. It is clear, chaos, everything and nothing.

The detailed explanation of the state can’t be completed even in a book containing 1 million words. I just want to stick to one point. According to the estimation of the paleontologists, the Earth was born about 4.5 billion years ago. Then where was the Earth before it was born? We can only conclude that it was in Wuji before it was born, just like the human beings. We were also in Wuji before we were born. Because the whole Universe was in Wuji before it was born, Wuji contains everything. But where is Wuji? A thing without time, space, material, spirit, inside, outside, large size, small size, border, edge, firmness or emptiness can only be described by the word “shapeless and visionary”. However, Wuji doesn’t mean it contains nothing. Instead, it contains everything. It has nothing and everything at the same time. That’s why The Diamond Sutra was profound and difficult to understand. For example:

“If Tathagata explains the laws, don’t believe it. The laws can’t be explained. If explained, they are not the laws or not the lawless.”

“The Buddhism is no Buddhism.”

“The name of Anagami is Bulai. But actually Bulai doesn’t exist. So Anagami is called Anagami.”

“The solemn Buddhist is not solemn. It is called the Solemn.”

“Tathagata says the world is not the world. So it is called the world.”

“I should eliminate all life. After doing that, I found no life has been eliminated.”

And so on.

If we don’t know the origin of the Universe, it is very difficult for us to understand the above “Buddha words”. If we can fully understand the above “Non Buddha words”, we will know the origin of the Universe.

Before everything was born, they were in Wuji. So Wuji means everything.

We wish to take an example from the mythical novel Journey to the West to imagine the space in Wuji.

Monk Tang and his apprentices entered the disguised monastery. The Monkey King was trapped in the gold cymbal by the demon head. So how big or how small was this gold cymbal? No matter how high or how low the Monkey King could transform himself, the cymbal could change too following him. The Wuji space before the Universe was born was in the state as the cymbal. It was extremely large and extremely small.

The space described in Einstein’s the General Theory of Relativity just refers to the space above mentioned. The size of the space is not decided by the energy. However, it is decided by the existence of matters. The more matters are transformed from the energy, the larger the space will be and vice versa. If there is no matter, there will no space. It’s the same as the relationship between the Monkey King and the gold cymbal. The space in the cymbal is decided by the size of the Monkey King transforms himself. The traditional science believes that the space is like a box and the material is a particle in the box. When the particle disappears, the space is still there. Nevertheless, the space is not like that. When the particle is not there, the space will disappear. The space is determined by the distribution of particles. The space will twist, swell, contract or even disappear as the material and its energy change the size.

How to understand the time in Wuji?

Time is generated by the movement of objects. There is no time without motion.

For example, a man is 40 years old because the cells in his body are splitting, moving and dying. If the cells were not moving or splitting, he would not have lived till 40. A piece of fresh meat will rot in a few days if placed open to the air in hot weather. However, if we put the meat in the fridge, it will not rot in months. Why? The meat in the fridge has slow even halting cell movement. When the cell movement slows down, the time of the meat is lengthened. And when the cell movement stops, the time of the meat disappears.

If a man is never born, does he still have time? If the Earth is not born, does the Earth have time? If the Universe is not born, does the Universe have time? No.

This is the time in Wuji.

The core of the quantum mechanics is the “uncertainty”. Why? The time does not lapse evenly. The time is changing. So how can you obtain the “certainty”?

That’s all about my explanation of Wuji.



4. Wuji Generates Taiji


What is the state of Taiji?

First, we have to know Taiji is generated from Wuji.

Wuji is nothing and everything. It is everything because the energy existence in it can produce the material world. It is nothing because the energy in it is not material. It is chaos without firmness or emptiness. It is like the sky. When the sky is clear, there is nothing in it. But when it is cloudy, we can see the clouds and lightings and hear the thunders. Then there is everything.

In Wuji, there is the intangible energy. The intangible energy (in contrast with the tangible energy) is moving irregularly. When the irregular movement, accidently on a point, formed a specific order or symbol, the entire Wuji has formed a potential power arrow called the “tornado” centered on this point.

This potential power arrow, or “tornado”, is just called Taiji. (Please note that the tornado is simply a momentum with only potential power. It does not have kinetic energy because it is not rotating.)

This is how Taiji is generated from Wuji.

Taiji is in such a state: it is the one, amorphous, the unity without opposites, and an extremely large energy cluster (It is just like a locked reservoir containing billions of billions of Pacific)

The Taiji is just the Greatest Creator in common sense.

In Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu said, “Chaos was born before there was the Earth and Heaven.” Before the Universe was born, “something” existed. This “something” is Taiji, the psychic energy of the Greatest Creator. Lao Tzu named this “something” as Tao because he confused the nature and psychic energy of the Greatest Creator.

After understanding what Wuji is, we can understand Buddha and Buddhism. After understanding Taiji, we can understand Tao and Taoism.

5. Taiji creates the Two Polarities

What are the two polarities?

It refers to the phenomenon of opposition.

For instance, in the state of Taiji, everything is the one and amorphous. But in the state of the “two polarities”, the intangible energy is shown up in a tangible form. The Sun, for example, is an energy cluster. It has been transformed from the intangible energy form in the state of Taiji into the tangible energy form. So the energy is classified into the tangible energy and intangible energy. “None” and “Existence” form the “two polarities”, namely, the unity of opposites.

The contents of the “two polarities” include: none and existence, firmness and emptiness, Yin and Yang, positive and negative, static and dynamic, left and right, up and down, exterior and interior, front and rear, high and low, noble and humble, hard and soft, big and small, strong and weak, dark and light, male and female, rich and poor, fortunate and unfortunate, gain and loss, merit and fault, more and less, life and death, true and false, good and evil, beauty and ugly, etc. They are the unities of opposites.

Everything in the Universe as we know is the demonstrations of the “two polarities”.

Then how are the “two polarities” were born out of the Taiji?

We have known that the irregular movement of energy in Wuji accidently formed a certain order. All the energy, in a short while, formed overwhelmingly an intangible potential energy. If the potential energy is not given out, it will only remain latent like a “paper-made tiger”. However, when all energies gather at the central point, the energy center has changed its nature, just like the water will evaporate when heated to a certain degree. At this time, the energy center, or the nucleus, is no long a kind of energy. Instead, it has become a special structure surrounded by great energies. When this structure is complete, the Consciousness comes into being. It is just like a fertilized egg without Consciousness. When it keeps absorbing energy in its mother’s uterus and improves its structure, a conscious animal (human) will be born.


The gathering of mammoth energies has led to the alienation of the energy center, resulting in a structure. The constant improvement of the structure ended up with the emergence of the Consciousness, which is the symbol of life birth. The Consciousness gathering all energies then started the process of creating the Universe. And it is the Greatest Creator.


After the Greatest Creator is born, the energy in the Taiji began to move around the Greatest Creator’s Consciousness. We can also say that all energies move around the structure of the energy center. Just like a human body, when your consciousness tells you to urinate, the bladder door is open and the urine goes out. When you want to look at the sky, your head will be raised and your eyes opened automatically. When you want to have sexual intercourse, your penis is erected.


After the Greatest Creator is born, the “two polarities” come into being, the celestial bodies show up, the celestial movement begins, the unlimited space is born, the time starts and everything gets into the movement cycle of life and death.



6. The “Two Polarities” create the “Four Directions”

The “two polarities” have brought about the “four directions”. There is south, north, east and west. There is front, rear, left and right. There is life, growth, decline and death. There is quadrant 1, 2, 3 and 4 in the function image.



7. The “Four Directions” create the “Eight Trigrams”

Because there is south, north, east and west, there are now 8 directions including the east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest, north and northeast. The eight directions are called Qian, Dui, Li, Zhen, Xun, Kan, Gen and Kun respectively, forming the 8 trigrams. Each direction has its special meaning. Each direction has its different chance changes. Let’s take a person as an example. If he remains healthy in the south, he might find it difficult to get accustomed to the north. If nothing goes smooth in the east, he may achieve success in the west and the ugly duckling might become the white swan. Even grass will have different growth model and blossoming timing in different directions and locations.


The Permutation and Combination of the 8 Trigrams (Qian, Dui, Li, Zhen, Xun, Kan, Gen, and Kun) Produce the 64 Trigrams

The 64 trigrams are corresponding to the 64 factors in the Universe. But as to the details of these 64 factors, because they are related to all the mysteries in the Universe and hidden to the common people, even the King Wen of Zhou in the Canonization of the Gods didn’t know all of them. And the most achieved Taoists in China only knew a few of the factors. Sakyamuni masters half of them and Jesus only knows a few more than Sakyamuni does.

We often hear people say “No disclosure of the Heaven secrets”. The heaven secrets are just hidden in the 64 trigrams. The permutation and combination of the 64 trigrams have caused the birth and death of all things in the Universe. The things that you can’t imagine are just the combination of 2 factors. The power of Jesus lies in his mastery of the formula of these factors.

The birth and death of all things, the limitless mysteries and all changes and movements in the Universe are hidden in the permutation and combination (formula) of these 64 trigrams. “No coming, no going, the time-space ends and origin shows up.”

This is the brief process of the birth of the universe.

owoshuyi:
The oldest man to have ever lived on earth according to God's word was Methuselah who died at the age of 969 years. He was the grandfather of Noah; the man who built an ark for the flood God wanted to use to destroy all mankind because of their wickedness and sins.
In further study of the generation of this man Methuselah, I discovered the man died the year the Great Flood occurred. This discovery is the reason for the topic which asks that DID METHUSELAH DIE IN THE FLOOD? In other to prove my point, I studied and did a research in the book of Genesis 5 verse 25-32 and this was what I found out.
Methuselah was 187 years old when Lamech his son was born to him. When Lamech now was 182 years old, he had a son whose name was Noah. This means Methuselah's age will be 369 years. Lamech lived for 595 more years and died. This means he died at the age of 777 years, while Methuselah his father was now 964 years old. This shows that Lamech died before his father. At this same period, Noah was 595 years old and already had his own children (Shem, Ham and Japheth). About 5 years later when Noah was 600 years old, after he had built the ark God commanded him to build, the Great Flood that killed all mankind and animals occurred. This was about the time Methuselah, Noah's grandfather was 969 years old; the year he died. So from this revelation, one may think that Methuselah, the oldest man to have ever lived on earth died during the Great Flood.It could further have meant that, had the Flood not occurred, Methuselah might had lived more than 969 years. Now over to you bible scholars, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.

sonofthunder:
I think I lack the idea(s) to properly prove my point to YOU.

sonofthunder:
They weren't angry He existed before Abraham, they were angry that He 'thought' He was greater than Abraham.

sonofthunder:
You can Dean the verses in between the below verses...


John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

sonofthunder:
Okay sir.

But I usually advice people, even if you think your position is absolutely right, still try to objectively consider the two (or more) sides of an argument.

tomakint:
Primesky please give it a rest on this trinity issue at least from here, Maamin has given a detailed picture of what the Bible says on it, if God is the head of Christ, what else do you want to hear? Read your Bible with the leading of the Holy Spirit and not by Dogma, you will see the mysteries enshrouded to you being exposed. Thank you brother Maamin

Primesky:
I never dogded any question. I left it because you people are master twisters. If one gives you a passage, you will quickly twist it to defend the lie you profess. The lies of your group is too much, I opened a thread to discuss it, you all avoided it like a plague.

Every question peacefullove have asked there I have answered them before. Yet it keeps revolving along the same line. But thank God for those among you who have come out of that cult, who made it clear to me how you guys operate. That's why many Christians don't waste time arguing with you guys, the subtlety is beyond normal. If it's to convince you, I won't. I will pray God do that, because only the Holy Spirit whom you guys have rejected will help you. I will only reply you guys when I know you're misleading people here.


Oh Lord!, look at at what I'm saying again. See how you've twisted the passage you quoted above.

Why did the Jew's pick up stones?. Because Jesus said He is the Son of God. Jesus asked them, many good works I gave done, for which one do you want to stone me, and they said not for those but for calling yourself the son of God. And the bible clearly explained how they inteterpreted that. But see how you twisted it, and left out the flesh. So the naive person will think you're right. May God deliver his children from such wickedness you guys are perpetuating.


John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

10:30 I and my Father are one.

10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Follow the build up of that story above. The action of the Jews was not out of ignorance. Who else goes by the title ' the Son Of God's as if He Aline is the son of God. But we all are God's sons. It carries a higher meaning than you guys are ready to accept, and it's a shame. Stop twisting scriptures.

The only liar I can see here is the one who blantanly denies that Jesus Christ is not only the Son if God, but also God. That is the liar I can see. Because the bible said it, but he denies it. Since the bible can't lie, then they are the liars!.

[quote author=Primesky post=70430046]Oh the Jews erroneously thought he was blasphemous. Indeed!

I have said before, as long as you guys don't believe not understand the way and things of the spirit,even as you guys do not believe in the Person of the Holy Spirit, it will be difficult for you to grasp this truths.

Look at how you're interpreting the picture/image example, purely human, is as if I'm talking to a complete unbeliever. Now, the image is one and the same person, but different capacity and ability. Don't forget we're talking about a spirit being here. I once gave example of this using water, ice and vapour, and I said, that though they be one, they're have different roles and capacities, but are one and the same. How difficult is that to understand?. Oh Lord please have mercy on your people.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

If there exist a Godhead, what or who make up the Godhead?. We are the body of Christ, and He is the head of the church. If the Godhead dwells in Him bodily, who and who make up the Godhead according to the scriptures?.

Will you also say the writer erroneously wrote that?.

sonofthunder:
Teach us about the Trinity.

sonofthunder:
John 8:58-59.
Why do you think the Jews wanted to stone Jesus Christ in the mentioned scripture?