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mustymatic:
Jesus didn't read n write what u quoted

Which part of the quran did muhammed read and wrote by himself?

Jesus is no doubt God right! But he has a God also that made him all he is.

1 Cor. 15:24-29
"24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

Barukh shem kevod Elohim shimkha tzedekh, shimkha kadosh O Yahweh El-Elyon!

From Biblical point of view, there are no female Angels.

omasco92:
Open your eyes
and ear... please study with dictionary.

Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.


1Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


What nest?

You're still not saying anything new!

omasco92:
Jesus is God

O yes! But he also have a God and a father too.

YourMain:
So one person is a father and a son ?

Wrong!...didnt you read the verse I posted?

YourMain:
But I thought you thought Jesus was God ?

Yes! God the Father also called Jesus the Son 'God'

Hebrews 1:8-9 "8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

YourMain:
[s]I don't believe God has a son sorry.

I could never understand how God could have himself and call himself his son and himself a father. A father of himself and a son of himself. [/s]

O yes! He does have a Son, his son is not him and he is not the son..father son relationship just like you know it.

John 3:16...you know it already!

YourMain:
I'm a Muslim.

I love Jesus too

But it depends which of the Jesus you love.

The true one which is the Son of God or the fake one who is merely a prophet of Allah?

fawaz050:
All this, against islam?...inna dinna muhammadin.
know this,islam doesnt condone terrorism,agression and anti social acts..rasululah spoke against arguing(common arguments)let alone terrorism.islam means peace.

Nahhh! 'Islam means peace' sounds like oxymoron.

YourMain:
Sigh.

Dont be discouraged, Jesus loves you

tartar9:
pathetic explanation.how are corners and geographical poles related?
corner definition:the point or area where two lines, edges, or sides of something meet

Not really in this case

The word translated “corners,” as in the phrase above, is the Hebrew word, KANAPH. Kanaph is translated in a variety of ways. However, it generally means extremity.

It is translated “borders” in Numbers 15:38. In Ezekiel 7:2 it is translated “four corners” and again in Isaiah 11:12 “four corners.” Job 37:3 and 38:13 as “ends.”

The Greek equivalent in Revelation 7:1 is "gonia". The Greek meaning is perhaps more closely related to our modern divisions known as quadrants. Gonia literally means angles, or divisions. It is customary to divide a map into quadrants as shown by the four directions.

Some people such as you, have tried to ridicule the Bible to say that it teaches that the earth is square. The Scripture makes it quite clear that the earth is a sphere in (Isaiah 40:22).

Some have tried to say there are four knobs, or peaks on a round earth. Regardless of the various ways kanaph is translated, it makes reference to EXTREMITIES.

There are many ways in which God could have said corner. Any of the following Hebrew words could have been used:

Pinoh is used in reference to the cornerstone.

Paioh means “a geometric corner”

Ziovyoh means “right angle” or “corner”

Krnouth refers to a projecting corner.

Paamouth - If the Lord wanted to convey the idea of a square, four-cornered earth, the Hebrew word paamouth could have been used. Paamouth means square.

Instead, the Holy Spirit selected the word kanaph, conveying the idea of extremity.

It is doubtful that any religious Jew would ever misunderstand the true meaning of kanaph. For nearly 2,000 years, religious Jews have faced the city of Jerusalem three times daily and chanted the following prayer:
Sound the great trumpet for our freedom,
Raise the banner for gathering our exiles,
And gather us together from THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH
into our own land. The bible does not describe a flat earth in any way.

tartar9:
you just said a different thing entirely.you are the one who don't understand simple language being used to convey a meaning.is that verse as it is used there meant to imply the shape of anything.you could have as well said the earth is a foam .
can you show me any verse that clearly talks of a flat earth like your bible;
“And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth" lmao

Four corners suggest the four poles, even a day old baby should know this.

Joshuabase:
THE Christian God is an ever receding pocket of ignorance,the more we know - the less we need him. - Niel degrasse Tyson

Yet you bear his name, Joshua

Joshuabase:
You apparently have a problem with understanding simple concepts.
Is the quantum world made up of the classical world? Eh..

E gba mi ke.

Have a nice day already.

Dekatron:
@maamin :- Gravity in Newtonian physics talks about force exerted on bodies/matter. . . In Quantum Physics :- its related to time and other more complex things. . . You saying metaphysics in this debate is absurd.

You got me misunderstood, you cant put away newtonian physics completely if you are talking pertaining Gravity..even if you are dealing with such topic under quantum physics. Check my last post before this one I explained a little more there.

And I only mentioned metaphysics when Joshua says that physicists are yet to fully grasp quantum physics which I strongly believe is not true and rather suggested that had it been he was talking about "metaphysics" then I will agree with him that physicists are yet to understand such. Hope am clear now?

Joshuabase:
Yes but we understand that classical laws don't work at the quantum scale. How any times do I have to say it?? Huh?

There you go again, if you take away the Newtonian physics from the quantum level then the quantum mechanics no longer have basis to stand upon. Why because, the classical laws are very important to it..how then do you think it can be possible that engineers and physicists are considering moving technology into a nano scale if they are bias with their main science background laws that guided them in their research?

Is like talking about the history of India's independence without mentioning Gandhi.

timonski:
So if scientists are yet to completely understand quantum mechanics shouldn't they shut up until they completely do?

Don't mind him, in his own case it is already infallible and answers all matters of life yet, Joshua says Physicists are yet to fully understand this scientific phenomenon...Imagine!

plaetton:
Wrong.

Gravity is extremely important in quantum mechanics.
In Newtonian physics, gravity is a force that pulls objects.
I quantum mechanics, the properties of gravity are not so simplistic.
It's extremely complicated, and requires many different mathematical models to understand.
It is still not clear what exactly gravity is.

Then am done here

Ok.

plaetton:
The difference between you and him are glaringly obvious.

[s]He is talking about quantum mechanics, a real scientific and academic discipline, an area where facts, theories, observations, experimentations , mathematical corrolaries are analyzed and published for the public domain.[/s]

You, on the other hand, are behaving true to your African proclivity.
You invoke your so-called metaphysics. What is metaphysics?
Magic, supernatural mumbo jumbo devoid of facts, theories, observations, experimentations or mathematical corrolaries. Certainly too silly to be of academic or scientific value.

So, you see , the difference is sooo clear.

Topic was on comprehensive breakdown of Stephen's quote on GRAVITY. Now quantum mechanics does not even begin to cover that.

I just striked that out.

If it's a religion then it already begins to fail to be correct.

Joshuabase:
THE delusion is strong with this one.

It was my analogy, I dropped the stone in the water foh!

Awwwww! You might get this in another few years from now! Well keep studying.

plaetton:
My friend, you don't get it.
Why don't you guys understand something first before you knee-jerk react to criticize it ?

There is no place for Newtonian physics in the quantum arena.
Therefore , invoking Newton here is a mute exercise.

Physicists are trying to understand quantum phenomena and how it interfaces or directs our physical reality.

The last time I checked he was talking about gravity.

Joshuabase:
Wrong, for you to consider the meta physical world as real shows that you're a toddler.

Yet this does not make it anything less than a phenomenon the physical world cant get around with.

Joshuabase:
I despise people who do not make research before spewing trash

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/insight/2012/08/18/einstein_discovered_that_gravity_is_not_a_force_but_a_curvature.html

As for your imaginary metaphysical world, that's your problem.

You lack insight of what am talking about, for you to consider the metaphysical as imaginary world shows that you know nothing. Cheers!

Joshuabase:
What does this have to do with anything?

Answer

timonski:
GOD

timonski:
So you are saying that the DENT came from what?

Who dropped the piece of stone in the bucket of water analogy?

Joshuabase:
Cause and effect have nothing to do with quantum mechanics, you're quoting a classical law of physics in a quantum mechanics discussion.

Always research before making statements, all the laws you know, thermodynamics general relativity don't govern the quantum world. They have an entirely different set of laws.

Therefore cause and effect do not apply - to tell the truth physicists do not entirely understand the quantum world.

You are greatly mistaken bro! Talking about gravity being formed out of nothing or rather not a force in itself is ridiculous that is why Newton law contradict that analogy u gave up there. But I will give you the benefit of doubt. Physicists understand pretty well the quantum of our physical world and so many researches has been conducted successfully to bring us the knowledge of quantum physics right up to where we are today. I will rather agree with you if you had said "Physicists do not entirely understand the meta physical world."

Pr0ton:
Of course they do. It's not religious, is it? Enjoy mannn


And how many babes do you want??

Nahhh blowing some candles and making a wish is reserved for Johny today. He should be the one to tell you how many babes he want.

FrancisTony:
Birthday ain't for christians.
The fact we were born gives anyone right to celebrate it.
Anyway, the only man to celebrate birthday in the bible is Herod and he isn't a christian.

Ofcourse birthday is not religious celebration...but it is also a warner against death and what happens in the hereafter, tho most of you still dont believe in life after death.

Now the flaws of the initial quotes and the bucket of water analogy is that, in the case of the bucket of water there is a causation or force that causes the effect which is greatly supported even by Newtons first law of motion when dropping the piece of stone in the water which is entirely Not the same as the true space and time.

Now what am driving at is that the dent in space time continuum or as speculated by Albert Einstein in his laws of relativity did not come about out of absolute NOTHING.