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Op is so fresh out right...I like the Castiel pix tho! ...Supernatural fan.

Emmmm!....are those kongo or mushrooms oh!...I think its match sticks.

Hard to see clearly without my reading glasses.

Is it just me or romancland is becoming.....ummm! what is that word am looking for?

hard to find a career babe these days....may be I should check Mars.

Mhizizzy:
How does dis change d price of garri in d market

Which is ur number?..5,4,3,2 or 1

I just dey watch this thread with heavenly sunglasses

Mprex:
lols. some days are like that

lol..good for you!

boolet:
You did not make any point clear. Why did Jesus have to come?

Jesus came to show us the way to the father.



In which He (Jesus) is the way.

Mprex:
That is what many christians fail to realize that Christianity is a way of life and not a religion.


If you dont understand, ask me

Hmm..am surprised to catch you here!

Are you feeling a little 'in the spirit today?'

So Abuamam is suddenly taking away just like Enoch and Elijah?

Op, you are scared of being called terrorist ehn!

Well, we want a peaceful world where the next door neighbour ain't trying to blow me up to smithering because I have a contrary view to his/her religion.

Is that too much to ask?

JMAN05:
who is it talking about? read it well sir. (check verse 10).

The final part didn't dismiss the application to heavenly prince. am yet to see how.

Here is the complete chapter Daniel 8

Daniel

Chapter 8

1 In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.

2 And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.

3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.

19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

You will have to explain the bold to tally with what you are saying.

Religion of peace

JMAN05:
Ok Sir, so whom do you think is the Prince mentioned at Dan 8:11, 25?

v. 11

It exalted itself even against the Prince of the army, and from him the constant feature was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down. 12 And an army was given over, together with the constant feature, because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.


v. 25

And by his cunning he will use deception to succeed; and in his heart he will exalt himself; and during a time of security he will bring many to ruin. He will even stand up against the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human hand.

If you read to the end of the chapter, the vision was interpreted..its not talking about angels.

dolphinheart:
I've not finished on my view yet Bro, will do that tomorow

Ok!

JMAN05:
You might be right sir, but you can also be wrong, I wont be definite. If you want us to discuss why I dont accept that book, you can form another thread. For now, use the accepted books to prove your point.

Peace!

There is no need for that...but it is certain that archangel is more than one..thank you!

dolphinheart:
@ maamin

continued.
(2)
let's go back to Daniel.
After making the first reference
to Michael ( Da 10:13),
recorded a prophecy
reaching down to “the time of
the end” ( Da 11:40) and then
stated: “And during that time
Michael will stand up, the great
prince who is standing in behalf
of the sons of Daniel’s
people.” ( Da 12:1)
Pls note, Michael’s ‘standing up’
was to be associated with “a
time of distress such as has not
been made to occur since there
came to be a nation until that
time.” ( Da 12:1)
In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing
up’ frequently refers to the
action of a king, either taking up
his royal power or acting
effectively in his capacity as
king.
Daniel 11:2-4:
King James Bible
And now will I shew thee the
truth. Behold, there shall stand
up yet three kings in Persia;
and the fourth shall be far
richer than they all: and by his
strength through his riches he
shall stir up all against the
realm of Grecia.
And a mighty king shall stand
up, that shall rule with great
dominion, and do according to
his will.
And when he shall stand up,
his kingdom shall be broken,
and shall be divided toward the
four winds of heaven; and not to
his posterity, nor according to
his dominion which he ruled: for
his kingdom shall be plucked
uph.
Daniel 11:7:
King James Bible
But out of a branch of her
roots shall one stand up in his
estate, which shall come with
an army, and shall enter into
the fortress of the king of the
north, and shall deal against
them, and shall prevail:, even
for others beside those.
Daniel 11:16:
King James Bible
But he that cometh against him
shall do according to his own
will, and none shall stand
before him: and he shall stand
in the glorious land, which by
his hand shall be consumed.
(Also pls read verse 20, 21)
since Jesus is Jehovah’s
appointed King, commissioned
to destroy all the nations at
Har–Magedon. — Re 11:15;
16:14-16,and the book of
Revelation 12:7, 10, 12
specifically mentions Michael in
connection with the
establishment of God’s
Kingdom and links this event
with trouble for the earth: “And
war broke out in heaven:
Michael and his angels battled
with the dragon, and the dragon
and its angels battled. And I
heard a loud voice in heaven
say: ‘Now have come to pass
the salvation and the power and
the kingdom of our God and the
authority of his Christ, because
the accuser of our brothers has
been hurled down . . . On this
account be glad, you heavens
and you who reside in them!
Woe for the earth and for the
sea.’”
Jesus Christ is later
depicted as leading the
heavenly armies in war against
the nations of the earth. ( Re
19:11-16) This would mean a
period of distress for them,
which would logically be
included in the “time of distress”
that is associated with
Michael’s standing up. ( Da
12:1) Since the Son of God is to
fight the nations, it is only
reasonable that he was the one
who with his angels earlier
battled against the superhuman
dragon, Satan the
Devil, and his angels.

to be continued ......

I still feel that Jesus is different from Michael.

JMAN05:
In other words, heavenly princes are angels?

Yes! Also known as terrestrial spirit.

Empiree:
Videos and links above are enough evidence. Very crystal clear. Remove the mole from your eyes

You are still lying, stop lying..

Empiree:
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Stop lying..the ISIS, Hamas and Bokoharam of today are not US.

mmsen:
This is a good thread but my question but I wonder if the OP is as discerning about the historicity of the Qur'an?

I wonder if he could trace the genealogy of Muhammad to Ishmael.

So many loop holes in Islam. Smh!

shahydbinaliyu:
HOW MANY TIMES WILL I TELL YOU? AUTHENTIC HADITH ARE HADITH THAT THE REPORTER HEARD DIRECTLY FROM PROPHET MUHAMMAD.... THERE ARE MANY COLLECTORS.. BUKHARI IS AMONG THEM..




and the hadith about Prophet Muhammad and Ayeesha he reported isn't authentic... it's probably heresay...


collection of part of his hadith falls in authentic and some falls in weak hadith...


no single hadith collector has every of his hadith in authentic role...

How do we know that the reporter heard directly from Muhammad? So now you are trying to tell me that no hadith is completely authentic and accurate, thereby cherry picking the part that suite your arguement and rejecting the part that does not.

shahydbinaliyu:
the aim of this thread is clearing the misconceptions about islam.... if you think explaining to you what you don't understand about Islam isn't going to change your thinking about islam... well, you are on your own.

you are the deluded and brainwashed soul just like the jews are...


jews hate jesus
Christian hate Prophet Muhammad
Islam embraces all of them and explain everything about each of them better than it is in their holy scripture...




and this thread does not need terrorists nor foul language people... the only thing we need here is idea proven with facts....

And you find it very convenient to lie..because you think we dont know what JIHAD really means in this 21century abii?

dolphinheart:
I have seen the thread , but I viewed that the op was just looking for a way to argue and not discuss, he has been told what to do and the website to go to if he really wants to find answers to his question and become a jw.

But if you want my view on the issues raised by the op, I can post it on this thread for you to go through .

Yea! So many evidence...but is like the seven day adventist too hold the same view about Jesus being angel Michael.

What is your take on that?

shahydbinaliyu:
scholars said some hadith are authentic... that's what is reported directly from prophet...

not withstanding... anything made by man is tend to error..... that's why every holy book is flawless...


that's why it's said we should only tend to reasonable hadith ..



besides, what that hadith said is strictly against Quran, prophet will never do anything against any of the teachings of Allah because he's sent by Allah...

Women are allowed to marry when they are at puberty age... Atleast 16 or 17...

marrying early is only aimed to curb adultery and premarital sex..

I repeat again which of the hadiths have u read that you feel is authentic..give me the name and writer.

shahydbinaliyu:
Jihad doesn't mean killing...


jihad means fighting for the sake of Allah...

that fighting doesn't mean exchanging punches or killing.....

it means striving in the name of Allah
it means doing everything good in the name of Allah



best jihad one can do is jihad that entails sharing of knowledge...


Jihad means doing good things ....






killing for sake of Allah or be killed for sake of Allah only exists in religion war.... and religion war was rampant during the time of extremist unbelievers attempting to kill prophets... i think it's not only Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) that wages war with unbelievers...


Even in war, Allah instruct us never to strike first, never kill women and children... don't kill whoever surrenders among the men (unbelievers)

Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!...I smell liesssss!

Abeg Ifeann come and take care of this deluded and brainwashed islamic soul.

shahydbinaliyu:
.Concerning Ayeesha age....



some hadith reports that she's 9 ... let's just reason, is it possible for prophet of God to marry a 9 year old girl?

and hadith has it's place In Islam. hadith is saying and deeds of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)....


we(muslims) were warned to only believe in reasonable hadith.. people tends to misinterpret and misunderstand what they hear...


that's why we have so many hadith collectors...


before you believe in any hadith, who reported it, how many reporter's (hadith) reports something similar or same to it...




solution to Ayeesha age is here...


please follow this link..

https://shahydcharming./truth-about-aishas-ra-age/

Which of the hadith is original and authentic?

Which one exactly?

10 ANSWERED QUESTIONS
***********************
1) CAN MAN KILL GOD?.

Not until you specify which of the God since there are many Gods (Zeus,Venus,Thor,Odin,Allah,Al-uzzah,Menat,Al-lat,Shango,Amadioha,Sheeva,Bramah etc) the word 'God' is just a title.

2) IS FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT 'ARE' ONE
PHYSICALLY?.

No

3) IF PHYSICALLY 'THEY' 'ARE' ONE, WHY FATHER
AND HOLY SPIRIT DIDN'T DIE ON CROSS?.

Number 2 answer renders question 3 invalid

4) IF PHYSICALLY 'THEY' ARE NOT ONE, HOWMANY
GODS YOU HAVE?.

Just One true God

5) DO YESHUA EVER HEARED THE NAME 'JESUS'?.

Of course He even answer to it up till this very day and moment.

6) WHO CALLED YESHUA AS 'JESUS' IN HIS LIFE
TIME?.

The Greek and Roman leaders must have called him that.

Greek-->Jesus=Iesous
Romanian-->Jesus=Isus
And if he had been to europe during his time he will be called "Jesus"

7) DO YESHUA EVER HEARED THE NAME 'BIBLE'?.

English-->Bible = book
Latin-->biblia= sacred book
Greek-->biblio/biblion(plural)= book/books

With Roman empire in charge of israel during the days of Christ on earth, with this you dont remotely think Yahshua have not heard the word sacred book(s) before!

DURING THE PREGNENCY PERIOD OF MOTHER
MARY WHO CONTROLLED THE WORLD?.

God almighty has always been in control even before time began.

9) DURING PREGNENCY PERIOD OF MOTHER MARY,
WHERE WERE THE GOD?. INSIDE THE WOMB OR IN
HEAVEN?.

Rephrase your question..the bold renders it invalid

10) WHY BIBLE HAVE MANY VERSIONS?.

For easy understanding and comprehension

[s](I know instead of answer these questions you will start
counter questions. You will abuse us and Islam. You will
try to change the subject. You will call me ignorant)[/s]