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Well about paying your tithe or rent,the tithe should actually come first.see in malachi 3:10,the bible says bring ye
It did not make it optional. Tithing is compulsory and it also says to prove God if he will not bless you to overflow and also shield you,your finances,family,job and all that concerns you from the devourer. So its simple,even your rent will be attended to just trust in God.

@ogajim

ogajim:
Mabell ( don't want to call you baby bell):

I was about to commend your post (the one before this outburst) before you moon walked back to your old self. We should refrain from judging others as it is not our JOB but God's.

Me I am amazed at all these personal attacks, can't we Christians just discuss our views on the bible and leave each others to our differences? We push sinners futher from Gods kingdom that should have been edified by love. We definately may not agree o every point. there are thousands of doctrinal differences but the body is one.

@ rich_john

rich_john:
I conclude that you are not okay! who told you am following kunle, or[b] your fairytale book called the bible, I dont believe all those things,[/b] you know am not on any side dude, you are the one on the LOSING SIDE its just a wrong analogy saying birds of same feather! cause our beliefs are not same

All your nonsense bible quotation and explanation has been done by me in time past am not new to christianity and this topic you are talking about my parents are stong christians grew up in it but never was carried away by it.
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Its a pity, may God have mercy on your soul, God will require your blood in the hands of the likes of the unstable Kunle Oshobi who takes delight in attacking the church of christ at the detriment of unsaved souls like yours,.

God said Elijah would come back before second coming,
Malachi 4:5
   Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

but the bible didnt say anythig about Enoch coming back, one of the things that characterise Elijah ministry was fire. He called fire from heaven and he was also taken up by chariot of fire .He also was able to shut heave of rain for 3 and half years .Similar things were said of these 2 witnesses also.

Rev. 11:5-6
   And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. [6] These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

PASTOR ANITA                                                                                                  TUESDAY FEBUARY 9th

                                               RESPOND IN FAITH TO GOD’S WORD
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come out of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so were in their own sight. (Numbers 13:33)[b][/b]
It matters how you perceive and respond to the counsel, instructions and admonitions given you in God’s word. To win in life, you must always respond in faith to the word;   you must learn to function in the arena of faith, where the only thing that counts is what God has said.
You may be facing a challenging situation in your finances. But as a child of God, what do you see?Do you see yourself suffering under the economic crisis as the rest of the world, or you see the truth that says " when men are cast down, then thou shall say, there is lifting up…” (Job 22:29).
Caleb and Joshua did not deny the fact that there were giants in the land God promised to the children of Israel, but they were moved by what God has said. Their response when asked  to describe the land was based on faith in the word of God. While theirs was a leap on the word, the other ten spies gave a faithless response- an evil report.
Never allow what your physical senses perceive- what you see, hear or feel- determine the circumstances of your existence. The bible says, “[i]while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eterna[/i]l” (2nd Corinthians 4:18). Let your gaze be fixed on God’s eternal and infallible word and maintain d faith –response all the time.
                                                                                CONFESSION
I continually fix my gaze on the word of God. My thoughts, words and actions are inspired by faith in God’s eternal word and leading of his spirit. I am not moved by what I feel, see or hear, but I respond only in faith to the word of God. Hallelujah.
                                                                               FURTHER STUDY
                                         Romans 10:17, 2nd Corinthians 4:13, Hebrews 11:1-2

@ viaro
This is one of KunleOshobi Many incosistencies. This was his defence in a thread:

Stop confusing issues nobody as said it is wrong to pay tithes what we have maintained is wrong is the falsehood that pastors preach about tithes being a compulsory 10% of your income given to the church. I am sure most pastors would frown at the idea of this man giving his tithes to the needy cos in their greediness and selfishness, they want it for themselves.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-203250.0.html

PASTOR CHRIS                                                                                                           MONDAY FEBUARY 8th
                                            [center]NEVER TALK FEAR[/center][center] And my worst fear have all come true (Job 3:25 cev)[b][/b][/center]Many have erroneously thought it was God who permitted Satan to buffet Job and make him suffer so he would be humble. That’s not true! Job’s fear was his undoing! He created a platform for Satan to come in and mess things up in his life by voicing his fears. Job was a man whom God has greatly blessed and protected. Satan knew this, for he said, “hast thou not made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he has on every side? Thou has blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land” (Job 1:10).
Satan hath hitherto tried to attack Job and found that the man was heavily fortified by God; there was a spiritual hedge of protection around him. How then did Satan gain access through that hedge to attack Job? Our opening scripture reveals what happened: Job allowed the spirit of fear to take hold of his heart! Despite God’s protection over his life, which even Satan attested to, Job lamented,”… the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came” (Job 3:25-26). Hence God said to Satan “see, all that he has is in your power… (Job1:12).
Job’s problem was his fear, and fear hinders faith. Fear is actually negative faith; it’s a demonstration of faith in the ability of the adversary to hurt you. And according to the scriptures, God doesn’t alter his word. The moment Job started talking his fears; he was digging holes in the protective hedge God has built around him. Ecclesiastes 10:8 says, “…whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him.”  Job delivered his goods to Satan through the perverseness of his lips- by talking and acting fear.[/i]Never talk fear or give voice to words inspired by fear. Continually fill your heart with the word of God, “[i]for out of the abundance of the heart   the mouth speaks.” (Matthew 12:34). When you fill your heart with the word, your mouth will of necessity speak from the rich deposit of the word in your spirit.
[center]CONFESSION[/center]
Heavenly Father, I thank you for giving me the spirit of love, power and a sound mind! I declare that fear has no place in me. My mouth is filled today with faith-filled words by which I create circumstances which are consistent with the new creation life I have in Christ Jesus. Amen.
      [center]                                                         [center]FURTHER STUDY[/center]
Proverbs 10:20, proverbs 18:21[/center]

You should have introduced yourself, Are you a christian etc. If you are ask your pastor.

KunleOshob

KunleOshob:
@Mabell
I have absolutely nothing against giving in churches it is wrong teachings such as the twisted version of compulsary tithing and first fruits that is very popular in false churchs like CEC that i oppose vehemently oppose. I also oppose church leaders/pastors fleecing the flock in anyway and also church pastors who live a flamboyant lifestyle whilst distorting scriptue to justfy it. Your bleached pastor is very notorious for this and he shall surely give account to our maker on that day.

Whatever you meant by "compulsory tithing" I dont know, tithing is tithing. I tithe and i experience its tremendous blessing. You dont tithe too bad ,its a hard road. Anyway ,its your choice.
My pastor no dey bleach o, Him papa yellow, him mama yellow. Say the truth you like the man so tey, you dont know how to express it but to attack him on nairaland, but its a pity he is too busy to read such.
By the way, I saw someone like you for Synagogue, its a good place for you to start. Some of your inconsistencies and double standard will soon be2 arrested by God. today you belive in tithe, another day you dont belive, i read some of your older posts. I said "God have mercy on this guy" He just wants attention at all cost.

@ w_agbaje

w_agbaje:
I’m wondering, what of other pastors. How many pastors love to preach about blessing, but they do not actually know how to bless those who are in need. They preach about love, but they do not actually know how to love. They use the money God has given them to hold a great celebration, instead of allocating their money to help the needy, our neighbours.

You may commend your pastor but it is wrong to condemn other pastors. How do you know the labour of love of other pastors. A christian shouldnt use such language.

@ kunleOshob

KunleOshob:
May God continue and enable TB Joshua to continue doing his true work of taking care of the poor and needy as directed by christ contrary to what most other pastors are doing today.

This is interesting, Youre getting converted at last. I thought you hold principles against giving in churches.

You made it sound as though God is responsible for sufferings. If thats what you meant ,you are wrong, God is not responsible

PASTOR CHRIS SUNDAY, FEBUARY 7TH

THE FULLNESS OF THE SPIRIT
For him whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the spirit by measure to him. (John 3: 34)

When the spirit of God came upon the prophets, priests, judges and kings of old, they received the anointing in a measure. But the bible says of Jesus: “For him who God has sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Holy Spirit by measure unto him” (John 3: 34). Jesus was the first to have the spirit of God (or the anointing) in His fullness.
Christians have said this applied only to Jesus (that He lone had the fullness of God’s spirit) and that those of us who are born again today only have a measure of the spirit, meaning we don’t have the fullness of God’s spirit. But in the light of God’s word, that’s not true. The bible says, and of his fullness have we all received, and grace for grace” (John 1: 16) More so, the Holy spirit, as a person, lives in us today in his fullness. So, we have the fullness of the spirit. The bible says in Christ Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and we are complete in Him. (Colossians 2:9-10)
This same Jesus, who had the fullness of God’s spirit, said unto us in John 20:21,”… as my Father hath sent me, even so I send you.” Now think about it: if Jesus require the full measure of the spirit to do the work the father sent Him, and He hath sent us the same way He was sent of the father, why then should we be seen with ‘a measure’ and not the fullness of the spirit?
As a new creation in Christ, the divine life of God has completely supplanted the human life with which you were born of your parents. You are new kind of being, infused with divinity! You’ve been initiated into a vital union and openness with the Lord. God’s purpose in this regard is evident in Ephesians 3:19: “And to know the love of Christ which passeth all knowledge, that ye might be filled with the fullness of God.
CONFESSION
As Jesus is, so am I in this world! When I receive the Holy Spirit I received the full person of the Holy Spirit. I consistently stir up the anointing of God that is in me, which enables me to change circumstances and impact the life of those around me with the gospel of Christ. Amen.
FURTHER STUDY
Colossians 2: 9-10, 2nd Timothy 1:6, John 14: 12

Annunaki:
@mabell
Pastor chris can sue you for infringing on his copyright by copying his best selling revenue spinner free on the internet thereby denying him of potential revenue. You know pastor chris doesn't joke when money/business is involved.

You know, some of you dont really know who men of God are. Every pastor I know is a giver, Pastror Chris is one of the greatest givers ive known. You you know how much he spend to reach the world for Jesus. Rhapsody is not for making money, He gave 10 million free copies to Nigeria last year,right now we are didtributing free bibles to millions.He is so focussed on his calling and assigment that he doesnt even recognise if critics exist. If pastor Chris knows what i am doing , he will rather commend it.

PASTOR ANITA SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 6TH

BE TRANSFORMED BY THE WORD!
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind (Romans 12:2)
To be conformed means to be “fashioned alike”. Therefore not to be conformed to this world means not to be fashioned according to its way of doing things. Having being born again; your spirit is being recreated; person- you became a brand new a new species of being without a past (2nd Corinthians 5:17).however, though your spirit is born anew, your mind isn’t renewed just yet.
This explains why though you’re born again, you notice that some negative thoughts and ideas you used to have before occasionally come to your mind. Thoughts of weakness, wickedness, sickness and sin may dominate your thinking if your mind is not renewed by the word. To overcome this, you’ll have to meditate on the word of God daily. Feed your spirit and mind with the word. Adjust and renew your thinking with the word.
When your mind is renewed with the word, you’ll think God’s thoughts and His opinions and ideas will dominate your mind. So determine to meditate on the word, not just today, but every day. Through meditation, the word goes through your mind into your spirit, and new thoughts- words- thoughts –would well up in you and dominate your mind. Then your mindset will be transformed from that failure, weakness, sickness and defeat into one of success, victory, health, prosperity and greatness.

Prayer
I thank you dear heavenly Father for the entrance of your word gives light to my spirit and renews my mind. As I meditate on your word today, I am metamorphosed, and my mind is renewed after the image of Christ Jesus, my Lord Amen.
FURTHER STUDY
Hebrews 4:12; Colossians 3:9-10

manmustwac:
@post
pastor chris and anita are both seperated chris is in south africa where he resides and preaches while pastor anita is in london looking after thier two kids

You people just allow your mouth to vommit nonsense! who says that? Pastor Chris has always been in Nigeria, except he travels to hold program else where. He doesnt believe in touring the world but prefer to reach the globe from his studio. He is not separeted from his wife, we see them in every major programmes together.ask any member of the ministry. maybe you meant another chris.

PASTOR CHRIS FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 5TH

SEE WITH YOUR “FAITH-EYE’’[i][/i][color=#770077][/color]
Things that are seen don’t last forever, but things that are not seen are eternal. That’s why we keep our minds on things that are not seen. (2nd Corinthians 4:8 cev).
As Christians we achieve our success, victory, prosperity and progress in life by activating certain spiritual principles that we find in God’s word. One of such principles is seeing the unseen. This means seeing with your faith eye, seeing your miracle first from inside you- your heart.
Before the physical manifestation of the glory and supernatural power of God in your life, you must see it first within you. Once you can see it inside your spirit- with the eyes of faith- then that thing is already yours. You can never have it on the outside if you don’t have it first within. That’s where some have missed it. They want to see first with their physical eyes before calling real that which God has promised. That’s not faith. Faith is calling real that which the physical senses can’t perceive.
For instance, it’d be wrong for anyone to say of a pregnant woman; “I can’t see her baby so there is nothing in her womb” the fact is the baby is there even though no one is seeing it. Even before her belly got big the baby was there already. The belly only got big because the baby inside grew bigger. At the end of the gestation period, the baby will be born.
In the same way, that miracle you are pregnant with- that blessing you’ve already seen and take possession of in the spirit-will manifest if you refuse to vacillate or waver in your faith.
With your eyes of faith, see the new job you desire; see your prosperity, health, grace, peace progress, success, deliverance and the salvation of your family and friends. Begin to proclaim with your mouth that which you have already seen within you, not so they will come to pass, but because you know that in the faith realm, they already exist.

CONFESSION
I thank you father for helping me see my success, wisdom, health, wealth, progress, promotion and every good thing I require to live the good, glorious and victorious life you’ve called me into.
FURTHER STUDY
Hebrews 11:1AMP, John 20:29

What about the death angel that kill the egyptians firstborn, is he not from God?

it's not a bad idea, but if he's not in town, no quams

see words are powerful and especially the one from parents to their children
words make you or mar you
there is no offence committed by a child that would warrant curses
rather bless them, speak what you want them to be
it might not affect all of them especially those that have decided to live in the light of God's word
cheers!

congrats to you all
here's wishing you all the best as you forge ahead

JESUS!
HE'S THE ALPHA AND OMEGA
HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH
HE KNEW MY TOMORROW BEFORE HE CREATED ME
HE PROVIDED FOR ME AND MADE ME OVER COMFORTABLE
HE LOVES ME SOOO MUCH
HE'S ALWAYS THERE FOR ME
HE BLESSES ME BY THE DAY
HE TAKES CARE OF ME AND MY FAMILY, OF ALL MY CONCERNS
HE PROTECTS ME
HE TEACHES ME
HE GUIDES ME
HE GAVE ME PEACE
the list is continous
, i can't do without you Jesus, i love you so much
thank you for all you have being to me

NO! i wouldn't do that.
what will be the faith of my children?
i dare not think of converting him after i marry him cos it won't work
moreover my faith in God wouldn't allow me do that rather it would allow me bring him to christ and probably help him grow
if someone like that approaches me for marriage, what i owe him is to tell him about the one who loved him and died for him which is
JESUS CHRIST!

Annunaki:
But pastor agbaje it as been established on this forum that you are a receiver and not a giver. Is it not becos of your selfish and greedy desire to keep on receiving money without working for it that you keep twisting everything in the bible to mean giving to church/ lazy pastors like yourself?

If he is a pastor what is your own headache? Are pastors not givers?. Every pastor i know are the most sacrificiall people. If pastor would not give ,he will run broke.
I think we should focus on the Topic of the thread.

@ poster
No bible account suggest reincanation, Say rather "bible accounts that I dont understand"
Because re incanation is a fallacy

Stop discussing pastors on nairaland, especially when you dont know his intetions.There is no proof the story is exactly that way or jara was added.It is not a bad thing if someone ask of peoples opinion about him. Jesus did it too.
Mark 8:27-28
And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am? [28] And they answered,

It is called feedback. Some of you do it too! It could have been twisted to mean "spying" but only the pastor can say what was his intention.

Lord_Reed:
In your search did u read 1 Thess. 4:13-5:10?

I dont think he searched, I think he over heared someone say so rather.

The bible foretold iniquity will abound. That is the more reason for intesifying the preaching of the gosple.

Does that mean I dont have to go to church? Since Sunday service is "illegal"?

I didnt realise the thread require discussion or contribution , I was rather enjoying the power of his /her writing like a sweet novel. I was waiting for continuation of the storyline when it suddenly ended!.
Maybe you should make the topic to be discussed clearer o.

Patjoe:
The bible say we should suffer with him.

suffering ke?
where is it in the bible?

Man is a spirit from my own point of view. But I never really gave attention to that Genesis part before.