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What is "real"?

funny we argue about "right" and "wrong".

What is the "truth"?

Reality exists only within the parameters of the mind. Outside the mind nothing exists not even God. "Spirituality" is a term humans (and humans only) ascribe to any occurence they don't understand. Just as has been said, man is his greatest dupe.

It's funny when people talk like they know anything, when truly they know just a tea-spoon full.

To everyone that made a post here saying the devil attacks pastors thru their children, how many times were u a pastor with kids, or did u ever meet the devil? oh no it get's worse: how many of u are actually pastors children?

If someone here has taken a course in psychology, someone'd know the term "hard-wire". A hard wire is a simple code that drives or restricts someone automatically.

I'm a pastor's son. let me tell u what it was like in just one word: HELL. Did anyone of u ever say to himself: "I'll never grow up to be like my father!"? Well that was my hardwire. Why?

My father set his moral standards. He preached in church and everyone thot he was an angel. But he had an anger disorder. He needed help. Instead of cautioning me when I did wrong, he'd use me as the topic of his sermon, which made the members treat me like the devil. Funny enough whatever u put into someone is what u get out.
Instead of trying to correct me, he spent all that time trying to show the world I was evil. At age 7, if u were me who exactly would u wanna be like-- jesus? ur pastor-dad? God forbid.

See it's awesome to castigate especially when it aint u, for chrissakes it's fun. Growing up, all I wanted to do was disapear. I was 18 when I left the house and I'm out of the house for good. My parents drove me away from christianity, when they thot they were actually "doing their best". I and my younger sister were the deviants from the norm. But my dad never hit my sister as much as he lov'd to hit me. He'd hit me so hard so the neighbors would know he was trying his best; and when I got 'tough' and wouldn't cry, he hit me so hard u would know someone was dying just so everyone would know I was his problem. I do have anger problems myself right now, but I'm working on it. I didn't turn atheist yet but my dad had more flaws than me, he just didn't know.

before u point a finger, try thinking with both sides of ur brain, it helps.

"No one had eyes on the knees, nor the heard sitting outside the skin on the arm. No one has fingers on top of the scalp! Adam and his wife are already forgiven by their Lord. This is the way God has taught mankind the process to seek forgiveness from Him. God will forgive all sins, except disbelief; associating anything with him or claiming that He does not exist."

@wale-olabo

ur argument here is invalid. if God is omini-everything, incomprehendable like u believe, then u're not permitted to know anything about him or his existence. "No one had eyes on the knees, nor the heard sitting outside the skin on the arm, " and u call that order? I'm getting just a lil confused, just a lil bt

I've asked and asked. I shall ask once more.

God knew that adam would eat the fruit in the garden of eden, why then put it there, right in the middle,  when he created and wove their minds to think the way they did,  gave 'em 3yr old minds made them as guilable, does it mean man was not predictable enough as mentally backward as they were?,   sounds more like God wanted man to fall~ 

Man makes choices based on his predispositions,  genetic encodings and imprints from his environment. There is no such thing as "free-will",  man is a vacuum without his environment. There is no free-will in a vacuum.
 
It makes no sense when an ardent muslim converts to christianity or any other religion for that matter. Belief is belief,  faith if u will. It has nothing to do with accuracy or coherence of facts presented to one by a certain religion. It has all to do with those pieces of information which is drummed into ones head the hardest, regardless of how absurd and moronic it is.  Check-out Nazi teachings. Someone is like  "I would never do any such to my fellow human being " uuum, yes you would,  given the same circumstances as they as have research proven; what does that tell u about men and their "choices"?

~  and then God turns around and say man sinned against Him? Isn't that sadistic? or is there a game somewhere?

Many have died for weeks at a time, came back and remembered nothing. a few nigerians "die" and "come back" and write all kinds'a books on THE SUPERNATURAL, basing most of their stories on personal it-seems-to-me-this-was-what-happened, and yeah I'm right.

Religion is the opium of the poor, no? yes, maybe? Ok u're not poor, so it aint ur opium. may I venture, ur mask?

K2,
To buttress the point of the non- intersection of free-will and omniscience, let us use this example:

If God is omniscient, it means HE knows all things before they happen, while they happen and after they've happened right?

The omniscience of God means He has a foreknowledge of everything before they happen. So, if we place 2 balls (Red and Black) in front of  Alex and we ask Alex to choose one. Since God is Omniscient, it means He already knows the ball that Alex will choose even before He chose it, right? So if Alex chooses the black ball, it means God already knows he will choose the black ball meaning that Alex would not have chosen the Red ball, would he? If indeed Alex chose the red ball, it would mean God is not omniscient but since God Is omniscient, there is just no way Alex would have chosen the Red ball. If there is no way Alex would have chosen the red ball, it means there was no free-will given to Alex.
The two concepts – (i) Omniscience and (ii) human freedom – seem to be utterly incompatible. The challenge, then, is to find a way to show that either
(1) omniscience does not exist; or
(2) free will does not exist; or
(3) the alleged illogical relation between omniscience and the exercise of free will is mistaken (i.e. omniscience is not incompatible with the exercise of free will).

This has been the problems that bible scholars have faced over the ages.

@KDK
Everything begins and ends in the mind. Beyond the human mind, nothing exists. Everything REAL to us is totally defined by perspective,  In otherwords, Reality is subjective. To them that believe in God, He exists,  and to them that don't, He exists not. Moreso, the extent to which He is real (and powerful) depends on the extent of belief. Outside the christian-world, things could be defined in a hundred different ways. For instance I came across a question presented as: if man is just matter made of atoms, and there is only "random" reactions at the quantum (sub-atomic) level, how then could it not be that man is made of organised chaos?,  Bring God into it and the equation changes.

Man can know nothing. Absolute "knowledge" is an illusion,  created from extreme belief. Like I said, the extent to which something is real depends on the extent to which it is beieved.

Man labels God incomprehensible. Yet knows most His qualities. The mere fact that He is known to be incomprehensible renders him comprensible. But different believers with different "amounts" of faith are involved so expect contradictions and interpretations of sorts.

All I say in essense is; this "ominipotence/free-will" depends on perspective. What do I mean? Let us say I believe there is no such thing as free-will, maybe because I think man is a vacumn without his environment, this arguement cannot hold -- and likewise for anyone that might have a different definition of "free-will" or "omini-potence". So maybe the smartest thing to do before we proceed is to come to agreement with a particular definition of terms.