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Deep Sight: [size=64pt]WHAT DID YOU SAY ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?[/size]

As you can see, I took my time not to abuse Ihedinobi once the debate took off. I know that I usually insult him but I decided to be civil for once and I get insulted by him........................

unnamed: Justify your argument that man created religion...... Are you an atheist?

Doesnt matter.

All religions are man made. They all have human limits.

Judaism- Jewish religion with a Jewish God that had only Jewish prophets and cared for the nation of isreal
Christianity- Jewish religion with a Jewish man sacrificing himself for the lost sheep of isreal
Islam- Arab religion, which replaced the Jewish religions and then proceeded with an Arab prophet and prayes/quran in Arabic.


Religions like human beings are naturally ethnocentric and never universal

unnamed: The world would not have existed. Religion changed humans from living as Savages to what we are...... It is still

1) Address the topic

2) Man created religion. Man can change with or without religion.

3) People are still savages with religion

Scientists cured a baby with HIV in the latest news..................



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Ihedinobi: Keep saying it, buddy. Perhaps if you repeat it enough, it'll become true.



[size=18pt]You are guessing that he is guessing. For all you know, he could have had a gun to the head of someone dear to mazaje to make im comment. Don't say things you don't know.
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You conveniently forgot two important things: how did Anony's guessing instead of knowing take away from his point? And is the choice under study between whay God knows and what He doesn't know?

And people say that I should stop abusing these theists.

Past, present, future.


I am stating what happens/has happened not what will happen when I say that Anony is guessing. I stated how a human mind works and has always worked. I am talking about the present and past. Anony is guessing and estimating. Whether he has a gun to Majaze's head, the future remains an estimate of the unknown. Majaze could choose to die rather then comment.


Anony is talking about what will happen when talking about Majaze's future reply. The future.



Please, be civil. I have been patient with your illogical comments

Ihedinobi: And how do you know that he guessed? Again, how does his guessing which pretty much resulted in the same thing as a concrete knowing take away from his point?



Is the choice in question between what God knows you will do and what He doesn't know?

There is no choice with an omniscient God. God knows that Majaze will comment and hiw he will comment and the exact time he will comment.

Anony can only guess and make estimations o probabilities whether Majaze will comment. Anony will gues because he is a human with the same mind as me. He cant be omniscient and so, I wonder why you would ask how I know that he is gueesing

Ihedinobi: And how is foreknowledge, that is, God's knowledge beforehand of your future choice, mean the same thing as predestination, the elimination of your choice?

There is no choice in the first place. Only a path that God knows that one will take. You couldnt choose a path that God doesnt know. Whatever you do, you are on gods path.


Choice doesnt exist with an omnipotent creator for his creations.

Anony, the guy in your video fails.


He says that God knows the the millions possible outcomes of our actions and gives us the freewill to choose the few ones out of those posiblities. What the failed philosopher fails t add is that God also knows the what we will "choose". Hence, it is still not a choice. You are still following the predestined path

[quote author=Mr_Anony2]Good so I'll take it that you do believe that freewill exists since your reply to this thread was not an illusion but something you chose to do and consequently did.

Now think about it carefully this carefully: Does the fact that I knew that you will choose to reply my comment mean that you didn't actually freely choose to reply?

My point being that if I my ability to predict your next action does not in anyway contradict your freedom of choice then the fact that God knows whether you will choose Him or not does not take anything away from your ability to choose Him.

For more on the omniscience paradox, see this video below (You can start from 1:40)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JRsHIN5ATY[/quote]You are not omniscient. You didnt know that Majaze was going to reply you. He could have died of a stroke before typing his reply. You guessed. You calculated the probability of him replying and assumed that he is more likely to reply.


An omnipotent God would know what, how, when and why he would reply. You couldnt write what he has not seen. You are chained to his foresight of the future

Ihedinobi: And how have you answered my question here, dumbo? I ask you how God's knowing what your choice will be prevents you from choosing and you answer that it does. How are you better than a freaking joke?

Yawn.

Your question is senseless no matter how many times you ask. There is no choice in what is predestined!

lol @ obadiah on this thread!

[quote author=Mr_Anony2]Yes I am purposely ignoring you, I've decided to stop feeding trolls[/quote]Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Ihedinobi: Oh I don't know. Is it gibberish because you lack the capacity to comprehend it or because it lacks the coherence necessary for comprehension?

Before you shoot off a hasty answer, my friend, remember that if even one person understands it apart from myself, that would solidly establish the fact that you are the one lacking in capable intellectual equipment.

^^^
Sense, it no make

Ihedinobi: That's why I call you a kid, living in your unilateral wet dreams.



How does God's knowledge prevent anyone from freely making a choice?

You arent making a choice. You are only following a path that is set in stone in God's mind.


With an omniscient being, there is no choice and no freewill.

Ihedinobi: It's the idiocy. It's veeeery embarrassing.

A case of projection my friend. The idiocy is from you!

[quote author=Mr_Anony2]@mazaje, Does freewill really exist or is it merely an illusion?

Please think about my question carefully before providing your answer[/quote]not fair


You always run away from me?

Is it the abuse? the debunkery? the bashing? What is it

Ihedinobi: Abeg, how is anyone this unabashedly dumb?

Point out what is wrong/dumb

mazaje: Some one tried pointing this out to William Craig and the way had danced round it left me shaking my head in shame. . .

Please, show me the video if possible.

Most christians mirror William Craigs arguments- including Anony

mazaje: I TIRE my brother. . . .LOL!

Lets see Anony and co comeback for that one

Ihedinobi: Do you have no capacity whatsoever for shame or embarrassment? First freewill is nonsense, then it's an idea that comes from a functioning mind? You are frightfully stuppid o!

Freewill as a concept isnt nonsense. I never said so.

Your theology on freewill is nonsense.

Find the difference

mazaje: Once davidylan started saying atheist claim not to believe in god but blame him for not giving them free will i just withdrew from the conversation. . . Free will remains a concept and an idea that supports another idea. . .It has nothing to do with reality. . .Free will is just an idea like original sin. . .Both have nothing to do with reality. . .There was never an original sin that hangs on every body's neck. . .Even the jews that created the adam and eve story do not accept or believe in the original sin that christians bandy around. . .I have stopped wasting my time over baseless concepts and ideas that have nothing to do with reality. . .

For me, it is fun to always point out that they are arguing over imaginary stuff. It stops them cold in their tracks.


My favourite argument here is the contradiction in their failed philosophy on freewill. How can an omniscient God offer freewill? If God knows everything that will happen, how can there be freewill when he has seen whatever you are going to do? Your fate is already written in stone in his mind, no deviations.

Ihedinobi: Not that anyone expects you atheists to eat sand gracefully, but don't blame davidylan for your poor grasp of the Bible and philosophical issues. That's all on you, man.

In any case, try and get honest. Don't call free will imaginary nonsense here and go debat morality on another thread. If there is no such thing as free will, there cannot be any such thing as morality either.

See this ignoramus.

Freewill is not explained in the bible.

Freewill is an abstract concept from a functioning mind. What is truly imaginary is freewill as a gift or creation from God.

That is what we are saying. Your understanding of freewill is nonsense, poor philosophy and imaginary.

Ihedinobi: Imagine that! Why does thinking of Lenin put me in mind of Stalin, I wonder?

Why stop there? Marx and Mao are waiting for you

mazaje: I made the same mistake here, trying to engage davidylan in imaginary philosophy that has no real life applications. . .I just love your analogy with the psychopaths. . .Now with advanced brain studies we now know that some people are born naturally as psychopaths. . .Yet we have people argiunbg about imaginary concepts like free will and non free wiil nonsense. . .So which god appeared to them and told people he wants them to obey him or disobey him. or are they just regurgitating the ideas conceived by the ancients people based out of their own myths?. . .

Thank you!

Anony and co delude themselves with their imaginary philosophy. They think freewill is a gift rather than an idea that comes from a functioning mind.

[quote author=Mr_Anony2]On point

I know someone else of similar sentiment; He was the author of this quote: “A lie told often enough becomes truth”. His name was Vladmir Lenin[/quote]

Wow....another 20th century communist reference?

Yawn

^^^

Epic psychoanalysis!

It's just sad that you analysed the wrong person

[quote author=Mr_Anony2]^^^@Macdaddy01,

Ever heard the saying that; it is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and erase all doubt.[/quote]Should apply to you.

Reyginus: This is the problem I have with lb. He will rather look for a way to turn the thread to an insult arena, than reason anything.

Typical.....spin any lie to support your christian brother. Did you shut your eyes to the nonsense Anony did a few comments back? He suceeded in turning the thread to nonsense

Garbage supporter