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For your sake, I hope you dont believe in that nonsense.

If you do, I can only just give a hollow laugh and shake my head. Upon all the education in America.......

I don't see why Fellis is complaining.

I told you that wife beating is allowed in islam and LagosShia and Justaqad have given clear instances where it is allowed. I have given my Quranic evidence. Even Maclatunji said it clearly that wife beating is there but it is just redundant given the conditions.

This is very simple. There is a reason why I was banned all those times from this section. This is because I tell the painful truth about religion.

~Fellis, you have seen the dark side of your religion.


Anyway
https://www.nairaland.com/1210342/christians-agree

justaqad: Extra wives are allowed on strict conditions.
besides i never liked polygamy. so you fail..


i will never hit my wife cos of a disagreement,but will when she is being crazy.


same principle applies to me..



epic fall.
hehehehehehehe

ONE THING YOU CAN NEVER GIVE FELLIS AS AN ATHEIST.
1.AS AN ATHEIST YOU CANT BUILD HER IMAN
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEE


epic fall
i can and will give my wife the very best.

LMAO

You are one crazy muslim. You are the only muslim here that has made me laugh!


Sorry, the rules about polygqamy in islam are not strict. If you have the money and time, nothing in Islam stops you from marrying up to 4 wives. You as a muslim are no guarantee because if you meet a woman that you truly like outside marriage, you could marry her as a second wife.


As for the equality, as long as you have it in your mind that you can hit your wife, there isnt an equal relationship.

BetaThings: You love to mark scripts of people on NL.



I deliberately posted so that people who are responding to your posts can simply let your posts stay unanswered
I don't believe whatever you say at all about fairness. The evidence is overwhelming

Actually, we generally don't pay much attention to the agenda non-muslims want us to pursue.

You can see that we don't bother with their issues. Allah (SWT) has put that sakinah in our minds. Our primary audience is the Muslim community and Alhamduli Lah, that community is not complaining about how educative topics are. You saw that on Friday with so many people praying for Tbaba, may Allah preserve him and our other contributors.

Again, we revel in being dowdy, strange, dull and boring
May Allah have mercy on, and continue to guide, the strangers

It is great that many muslims and muslim bloggers are not like you and the average muslim Nairalander.


I mean, how can someone just brush education to one side and call it "non-muslim agenda"? Go and listen to an educated muslim like Adam deen who says that muslims can not ignore evolution and philosophy or science. These three things are very important for any adult of any religion or faith.

Isnt islam about being a better human being? How can you claim to be a better human being if you dont understand the basic philosophical issues with morality? How can you understand humanity without evolution? How can you live in the 21st century as a human being without science. No one is telling you not to be a muslim but at least, get your fellow muslims to accept facts and education. Get them to discuss meaningful things that affect and shape their 21st century lives.



However, you will brush this aside and claim that I am a hater of islam. Probably controlled by Shaytan and his Djinns


Anyways

"An educated atheist is 100% better than an ignorant muslim"

justaqad: like they are any better.

As an atheist, I would show all my love to Fellis, no extra wives.

As an atheist and a humanist, I will never hit her because of a disagreement.

As an atheist and a humanist, I will give her equal treatment, what is good for me is good for her.



3 things a conservative muslim like Justaqad will find hard to promise his wife.

justaqad: and how have you made her better?
she will still continue in her trend of disobedience. i thought marriage is an institution.

Marriage is not a prison. If I have talked to my disobedient wife, talked to her family and avoided her for some weeks and she doesnt want to settle things amicably then it is divorce.


However, communication should solve most marital problems. I know that a not going to marry a woman who disrespects me and so, any problem in my marriagewuld come as a difference in opinion between us and hence we talk it out.


The reverse questiion is important; is a woman allowed to beat her disobedient husband since you accept wife beating?

fellis: I simply can't believe what I am reading.

I think christian or atheist husband is in place for Fellis

maclatunji: You people should know better than allow this hyperactive OP to wind you up. The rules to be observed for the so-called beating make it redundant.

So, you indirectly agree that there is a specific time for wife beating even though it is quite redundant!


Maclatunji, why are you shamed that I exposed some of the muslism here for what they are

justaqad: and if she doesnt listen after staying away?

DIVORCE!


Is that not the end result? You want me to turn Muhammad Ali on her and give her black eyes?

BetaThings: No you don't. You simply hate muslims. Last Friday, you wrote



Christian posts have been making front page daily. Have you complained?
Personally I want all (except the fa.g.gots) to have free access to the fp. But an atheist permanently encamped on this section, assuming various aliases and impersonating muslims, complaining about Islamic post on the fp for an obviously untrue reason claiming he dislikes dishonesty is over the top

BTW your quest for "honest", "good" etc muslims is strange. Who is the judge?

Afterall,

Epic fail.


1) You played a straw man irrelevant to the topic at hand. mtchew

2) I have complained about christian threads before. However, christians are ready to debate philosophy (morality from evolution, mind and string theory etc). You muslims have failed to consistently raise this topics that are educative on Nairaland.

3) I was talking about Nairaland muslims. Other western muslims are not as dull as some posters here. Take Adam Deen and other western blogs that debate sensistive issues like Salman Rushdie (which I wrote about and was banned for), eviolution etc.


So you are the dishonest one here

justaqad: so after many failed attempts to bring her to her senses i hit her,its considered Assault abi?
unfortunately for people like you.this is Discipline.
why would a man want to hit the wife if she is not being bad?huh

You know, this is getting nowhere.


I would like you to see what your muslimahs are saying here on this thread since common sense is not working with you.

justaqad: Allah made man an Alpha for a reason... (a mild slap would do d magic)

You might want to rethink that. There is no alpha when a gun is involved or your gbola is being dismembered in your sleep.


However, a slap would even worsen the case. You think she will like you and behave after beating her

justaqad: AND YOU THINK THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A WIFE DISOBEYING/CONSTANTLY ANNOYING THE HUSBAND?

no one is saying that. What rational people are saying is that there are better ways to solve the issue. Communication or separation.


What about a dishonest and disobedient husband? The wife should beat him too?

justaqad: considering the fact you are woman,i am not surprised at most of your posts

like i said in my previous post after several admonition, if she persists in being disobedient and disrespectful,then i see no wrong in hitting her.

Lol....unfortunately for people like you, that is assault in many developed countries. You do not settle disagreements with violence.

Its a good thing that some women take karate classes and keep guns. When the woman shoots you or hits you back, she wont go to jail because it would be seen as self defense.

justaqad: ISN'T IT SHAMEFUL THAT AN ATHEIST ENCOURAGES INDISCIPLINE IN MATRIMONY?

Wow! Where did you get that from?

How do I encourage indiscipline in matrimony? Just because I wouldnt beat my wife? So an adult woman needs discipline in your version of islam? lolol

If I have problems with my wife, the solution is simple- I talk to her and if she doesnt listen, I talk to her family and if there is no progress, I stay away for some days.


Why should I beat a woman like a child?

So, in short


Lagoshia and Fellis have given a valid reason to leave islam- wife beating.


Justaqad?

justaqad: logicboi where you @
answer the bolded

The bolded?

Isnt it shameful that a muslim can actaully say that there is a specific time that a man can beat his wife?

fellis: ^I use the Yusuf Ali translation of the Qur'an but while he uses 'strike' as the translation of the word in the verse, I believe it says separate because of what I read about the word having different meanings.
Yusuf Ali knows better why he used that particular translation for the word.

fellis: What is the point in posting it when my research on the verse has shown me that the word has several meanings?
The Qur'anic authors that chose to use 'beat' as the translation had their reasons for choosing 'beat' instead of 'separate'. I choose to accept that the word means 'separate' for the reason I have highlighted above.
There is no need for me to post any translator's name so I wouldn't do it.

lol....it takes less than ten second to put down the translation you use, since you have personally read the Quran.


Seems that taqiuyah is in order

This will be my last response unless you put forawrd your Quran

fellis: The word used in the verse was derived from a word in Arabic that was used many times in the Quran to mean hit, travel the earth, set up, to condemn and to give examples. Thus scholars interpret that word differently. Whereas many interpret it to mean "to strike", others hold that the term means "to separate".
Even if the translation is a twenty first century one, it would still be of no consequence because the word used in the verse has alternate meanings.

In the case of your second option i'e that Muslims have been deluded, that is not true, Muslims are encouraged to learn Arabic and read the Qur'an to learn about their religion. Nobody was deceiving anybody because the Arabic Qur'an was always there for people to return back to and confirm what they read in English. Their failing to do so does not mean that they were deceived.

Wait, what?

You should be careful about the things you say. Do you understand Arabic talkless of classical Arabic? You expect all muslims to learn Arabic?

fellis: The word used in the verse was derived from a word in Arabic that was used many times in the Quran to mean hit, travel the earth, set up, to condemn and to give examples. Thus scholars interpret that word differently. Whereas many interpret it to mean "to strike", others hold that the term means "to separate".
Even if the translation is a twenty first century one, it would still be of no consequence because the word used in the verse has alternate meanings.

In the case of your second option i'e that Muslims have been deluded, that is not true, Muslims are encouraged to learn Arabic and read the Qur'an to learn about their religion. Nobody was deceiving anybody because the Arabic Qur'an was always there for people to return back to and confirm what they read in English. Their failing to do so does not mean that they were deceived.

Blah blah blah.

Put your Quran forward. Simple request.

fellis: The date when the translation was written does not make a single difference to me. From my study of the Qur'an and Hadith, I know that the prophet would not preach anything that goes against what Allah ordained and the prophet told Muslim men to not beat their wives in the Hadith I quoted before so I don't believe there is room for wife beating in Islam.


lol, I wasn't planning to.

I dislike dishonesty.

I back things up with the Quran and Hadith when I make claims. I have pointed to six translations and the six most popular translations numerous times here on Nairaland. They all say beat/strike/hit.


You should put forward the Quran that you have claimed to have read that says "separate". There have been English speaking muslims since the early 20th century (1900s)

I want to know which Quran you used to get your translation. This is because if you put a late 20th or 21st century translation, it would show that either

a) Muslims changed the meanning of that verse dubiously after Western criticism

or

b) All English muslims were deluded for over a century with a false narration of the verse 4;34.



A honest man has nothing to fear. I have researched and verified my claims about the Quran. Time to show yours

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On your topic, they're forbidden by the Koran from associating with infidels. So......naturally.

How sad.

fellis: I accept the translation that says separate because the Prophet admonished men to not beat their wives and he wouldn't have preached doctrine that was contrary to what the Qur'an says. I have a brain and I can reason by myself, the fact that Ahmadiyyas accept wife beating is not reason enough for me to also accept it. I don't choose what to accept based on what other people think.

You accept which translation? Put forward the name of the author/version of such english translations of the Quran. I dare you. Let's see how recently it was written.


Dont run away.

fellis: Why on earth would it mean 'to strike'? You mention in one sentence that the Qur'an does not give an open cheque to beat women then you mention in another sentence that it the verse can mean beating the woman in order to minimize the chances of divorce.

I find it hard to believe that the Qur'an would actually give a go ahead for men to assault women.

There are six english translations from the most popular translations of the Quran at Quran.com. All of them say best/strike your wives in Surah 4;34.

How do you explain that? Logicboy wrote it there? The West is having a propaganda?


No, your own muslim scholars translated it so. Ask them.


Wife beating is in the Quran and Hadith. Read it. Even the Ahmadiya guys accept wife beating. I can show you the video on youtube in a secular debate.

fellis: What context are you talking about?
The verse says wives should first be admonished, secondly they should be avoided in bed then third, the men should separate from them or part from them. This type of parting involves the husband going away from the wife, keeping his distance for some time maybe by going to live elsewhere apart from her and hopefully the wife would feel some remorse and change her behaviour.

The Prophet, like I mentioned before, told men not to beat their wives. I don't think he would have forbidden beating of wives if it was allowed in the Qur'an for men to do that.




I didn't see where beating was encouraged or supported in that Hadith.

lol.....I repeat; 99% of your muslim translators put the word as "beat/strike your wives" in surah 4;34.


Furthermore, there is one case in the hadith between the prophet and Aisha but I wont say anymore. After reading Tbaba's conversation with Maclatunji, I am not willing to talk much about the prophet.