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justaqad: Extra wives are allowed on strict conditions.
besides i never liked polygamy. so you fail..


i will never hit my wife cos of a disagreement,but will when she is being crazy.


same principle applies to me..



epic fall.
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ONE THING YOU CAN NEVER GIVE FELLIS AS AN ATHEIST.
1.AS AN ATHEIST YOU CANT BUILD HER IMAN
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epic fall
i can and will give my wife the very best.

BetaThings: You love to mark scripts of people on NL.



I deliberately posted so that people who are responding to your posts can simply let your posts stay unanswered
I don't believe whatever you say at all about fairness. The evidence is overwhelming

Actually, we generally don't pay much attention to the agenda non-muslims want us to pursue.

You can see that we don't bother with their issues. Allah (SWT) has put that sakinah in our minds. Our primary audience is the Muslim community and Alhamduli Lah, that community is not complaining about how educative topics are. You saw that on Friday with so many people praying for Tbaba, may Allah preserve him and our other contributors.

Again, we revel in being dowdy, strange, dull and boring
May Allah have mercy on, and continue to guide, the strangers

justaqad: like they are any better.

justaqad: and how have you made her better?
she will still continue in her trend of disobedience. i thought marriage is an institution.

fellis: I simply can't believe what I am reading.

maclatunji: You people should know better than allow this hyperactive OP to wind you up. The rules to be observed for the so-called beating make it redundant.

justaqad: and if she doesnt listen after staying away?

BetaThings: No you don't. You simply hate muslims. Last Friday, you wrote



Christian posts have been making front page daily. Have you complained?
Personally I want all (except the fa.g.gots) to have free access to the fp. But an atheist permanently encamped on this section, assuming various aliases and impersonating muslims, complaining about Islamic post on the fp for an obviously untrue reason claiming he dislikes dishonesty is over the top

BTW your quest for "honest", "good" etc muslims is strange. Who is the judge?

Afterall,

justaqad: so after many failed attempts to bring her to her senses i hit her,its considered Assault abi?
unfortunately for people like you.this is Discipline.
why would a man want to hit the wife if she is not being bad?huh

justaqad: Allah made man an Alpha for a reason... (a mild slap would do d magic)

justaqad: AND YOU THINK THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A WIFE DISOBEYING/CONSTANTLY ANNOYING THE HUSBAND?

justaqad: considering the fact you are woman,i am not surprised at most of your posts

like i said in my previous post after several admonition, if she persists in being disobedient and disrespectful,then i see no wrong in hitting her.

justaqad: ISN'T IT SHAMEFUL THAT AN ATHEIST ENCOURAGES INDISCIPLINE IN MATRIMONY?

justaqad: logicboi where you @
answer the bolded

fellis: ^I use the Yusuf Ali translation of the Qur'an but while he uses 'strike' as the translation of the word in the verse, I believe it says separate because of what I read about the word having different meanings.
Yusuf Ali knows better why he used that particular translation for the word.

fellis: What is the point in posting it when my research on the verse has shown me that the word has several meanings?
The Qur'anic authors that chose to use 'beat' as the translation had their reasons for choosing 'beat' instead of 'separate'. I choose to accept that the word means 'separate' for the reason I have highlighted above.
There is no need for me to post any translator's name so I wouldn't do it.

fellis: The word used in the verse was derived from a word in Arabic that was used many times in the Quran to mean hit, travel the earth, set up, to condemn and to give examples. Thus scholars interpret that word differently. Whereas many interpret it to mean "to strike", others hold that the term means "to separate".
Even if the translation is a twenty first century one, it would still be of no consequence because the word used in the verse has alternate meanings.

In the case of your second option i'e that Muslims have been deluded, that is not true, Muslims are encouraged to learn Arabic and read the Qur'an to learn about their religion. Nobody was deceiving anybody because the Arabic Qur'an was always there for people to return back to and confirm what they read in English. Their failing to do so does not mean that they were deceived.

fellis: The word used in the verse was derived from a word in Arabic that was used many times in the Quran to mean hit, travel the earth, set up, to condemn and to give examples. Thus scholars interpret that word differently. Whereas many interpret it to mean "to strike", others hold that the term means "to separate".
Even if the translation is a twenty first century one, it would still be of no consequence because the word used in the verse has alternate meanings.

In the case of your second option i'e that Muslims have been deluded, that is not true, Muslims are encouraged to learn Arabic and read the Qur'an to learn about their religion. Nobody was deceiving anybody because the Arabic Qur'an was always there for people to return back to and confirm what they read in English. Their failing to do so does not mean that they were deceived.

fellis: The date when the translation was written does not make a single difference to me. From my study of the Qur'an and Hadith, I know that the prophet would not preach anything that goes against what Allah ordained and the prophet told Muslim men to not beat their wives in the Hadith I quoted before so I don't believe there is room for wife beating in Islam.


lol, I wasn't planning to.

SimonAndal: Hey, Mickey, you done buy the tablet yet? Do me.


On your topic, they're forbidden by the Koran from associating with infidels. So......naturally.

fellis: I accept the translation that says separate because the Prophet admonished men to not beat their wives and he wouldn't have preached doctrine that was contrary to what the Qur'an says. I have a brain and I can reason by myself, the fact that Ahmadiyyas accept wife beating is not reason enough for me to also accept it. I don't choose what to accept based on what other people think.

fellis: Why on earth would it mean 'to strike'? You mention in one sentence that the Qur'an does not give an open cheque to beat women then you mention in another sentence that it the verse can mean beating the woman in order to minimize the chances of divorce.

I find it hard to believe that the Qur'an would actually give a go ahead for men to assault women.

fellis: What context are you talking about?
The verse says wives should first be admonished, secondly they should be avoided in bed then third, the men should separate from them or part from them. This type of parting involves the husband going away from the wife, keeping his distance for some time maybe by going to live elsewhere apart from her and hopefully the wife would feel some remorse and change her behaviour.

The Prophet, like I mentioned before, told men not to beat their wives. I don't think he would have forbidden beating of wives if it was allowed in the Qur'an for men to do that.




I didn't see where beating was encouraged or supported in that Hadith.

BetaThings: Hahahaha. Gloves!!! This is a discussion forum. So you can dish out the criticism. But no matter what you say or write,# I know what I know. When I discuss Islam, I am explaining my understanding to people, learning about the religion of others. But I never require validation from non-muslims.
Maybe it is illogical to you. To me it is not. And I really don't set so much store by the thinking of atheists

BetaThings: Sitting in judgement; sitting in judgment



I have no intention of validating or refuting your opinion. History is a teacher

fellis: I read that the Arabic word in the verse which was translated as "beat" can also be translated to mean "separate", as Arabic is a multi-meaning language, and as such no word has a fixed sole meaning. I think the interpretation of the verse would be to seperate and not to beat as there are some Hadith where the Prophet told Muslim men to not beat their wives. One of them;
Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them."

justaqad: Wife beating anytime and for any reason is never allowed in Islam. There is however a questionable condition where Allah Almighty seems to allow the husband to beat his wife, and that is after he gives her two warnings to stop showing ill-conduct and disloyalty.

what about QURAN?

this is a weak reason.

maclatunji: I don't want or need atheist friends. It is not your fault that you are so hyperactive but your not curbing yourself is the problem.

justaqad: stop lying through your teeth. most muslims despise no-muslims.
you dont need lectures on this