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onatisi: i am not arguing about that , and neither am i condemning anybody , just saying what i saw

no probs then.


Happy sunday

cyrexx: the atheist is a part of humanism movement whose aim is to liberate mankind from shackles of backwardness, one of which is religion and superstitious beliefs.

its our concern because we are humanitarians.

nice one!

musKeeto: Maybe cos an atheist/agnostic will be more sensitive to issues regarding humanism than theists would. And so fraud (whether religious or not) will be called out for what it is, without fear of consequences.

Unlike some Christians whom out of fear of godly repercussion would rather pay than question, atheists/agnostics are not bound by such obligations..

Happy Sunday..

Thank you!

cyrexx: LOL

they will never be tired, they are soldiers in the army of christ fighting you agents of devils...

they are probably recharging and reloading..

lol......


That humanist thread was epic!


Anony was not given a chance to talk down secular humanism/atheism like he usually does.


He probably thought that his pals would help him out. He got debunked by 3 different atheists from 3 different point of views.

plaetton: Mr Anoy and Ihedinaobi,Ijawkid and others,I would appreciate your opinions on this topic.

They are quite tired from the intellectual bashing they have received over the last few days!

onatisi: my guy this issue no be fight oo.did i condemm them and besides i never told u i am all that a serious worshipper [b]but there is one thing about men which women dont know decently d moderately dressed women are more attractive to me than scantily dressed ones.[/b]i was just saying what i saw i think i should leave this church issue to u church goers

No problem.


However, men are different. What is "scantily" to you is "attractive" to others

Ishilove: You sound like a baby atheist...

Kpele

What is a baby atheist?

Churches survive on donations from members. It is your choice to put money in the offering baskets but no church has the right to stipulate the amount you should put in. It is your donation to what you believe in. Do you honestly believe that God really cares if you put 5% or 20% of your earnings or is God petty to care about percentages?

The church lists 2 main reasons for offering and tithes
1) For survival and maintenance of the church itself
2) For "Gods" work(charity reasons) eg helping the poor or educating people.

Since the church is a religious charity, you have every right to know what the church does with your donation. It is your money. If the church is using the money for "unchristian" purposes, you have every right to complain and stop donating. Buying million dollar mansions or jets that cost millions is not helping any poor or average Nigerian. It is luxury meant for materialists.



Be aware!


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onatisi: you should be proud of ur church,it is one of the very very few remaing true churches,outsiders know this ,although i am not a member but my brother is nd so is my mother and i read ur pastors books all the time.i think he is right.i was in church yesterdy here in ghana nd i saw ladies not one many wearing tight minis that is very very much above the knee and some even came with clothes that only covered the chest to the knee revealing all sort of curves must confess i had time time concentrating on the preching talkless of praying,those ladies were shaking everything shakable .na wa ooo

and what is your business looking at the women? Do you go to church to look at women?


So much ignorance in Nigeria.


I'm happy dont believe in God.



The same people that call themselves good christians support violations of basic human rights. You dont have the right to stop an adult from wearing what he or she wants to wear.

Granted that the church is private property and they have dress codes (church is a business), it is not setting a good example for freedom and respect for individuality

saintvc: SOW A SEED
WHAT U SOW, U REAP
GOD BLESES A CHEERFUL GIVER
GIVE TO THE LORD
U WIL RECIVE DOUBLE


These are some of d words we hear from pastors when urgin the members to give unto d lord.

To me, these words reduces religion to buisnes. Church is like an investment.

E.g The church member has 500,000.he wants to invest.d bank gives 2% interest.in a year, d bank would gve 600,000..on getin to church, pastor says WITH FAITH, SOW A SEED OF 500,000 AND U RECIVE 1 MILION IN 6 MONTHS.

What hapens in 2 years when he doesnt rcve d money,? He goes to d pastor and is told he lacks faith.he cant go to court,he wil surely loose.HIS MONEY IS GONE.

When we give , we should gve wilingly, whole heartdly witout xpectin anytin in return.

God isnt a buisnes man who trades wit our money and gves us profit.
Pastors stop dis

Church is a business

smh......


I wonder why it is always a man telling women what to wear

Acidosis: "No sinner will go unpunished"
That you ask God for forgiveness doesn't mean you won't pay for your sins. Get yourself a copy of the Bible, read the book of revelations for better understanding.

Jesus never sinned all his life, but he died, so why on earth do you think you wear an immunity clause even when you were born into sin ?

No sinner will go unpunished? Does that mean that everyone will go to hell since we are all sinners?


Jesus sinned too; he flogged people, destroyed private property and chased people from the synagogue. If hed had done that in todays churches, he would have been beaten and arrested

Acidosis: Yes! exactly what makes him GOD. The kind of wisdom you think you have is foolishness before him. His ways you can never fully understand. . He is the almighty , the supreme GOD and is word is Yea and amen!

How silly;


If I went to your house and shot your family then repented in Jail, I would go to heaven. But if I live a good life, helped your family but didnt believe in the nonnsense in the bible, I would go to hell.

You and your god are jokers!

Acidosis: This is pitiful. You'll be reminded, these quotes on the judgement day. Don't say I didn't tell you.

I will be burnt in hell for telling the truth?


Why are christians so wicked? It's funny how christians gleefullyel unbelievers that they will burn in hell.


Your God in his infinite wisdom will send someone like me to hell for criticizing the bible but will send a repentant rapist to heaven if he changes his ways before death!

LWKMD

Doubting Thomas; The only smart guy who asked for evidence.




The runner ups are


Jesus; the nice but racist Jew. (See [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2015:22-26&version=NIV]Matthew 15;22-26[/url]

Elisha; The emotional bald man who hates children but loves bears

[size=18pt]Beware of tithe! it is 419[/size]

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BERNIMOORE: @Macdaddy01

how do you ask question like this as if you dont know your country well?, first james ibori won his case here in Niger precisely in Asaba high court,but what happen where there is law in UK? lets leave that, in our sports, are we being represented by those who merit our status or those who knows how to play the politics? ask those who spend 2.2 billion on unmerited athletes and won no medals in the olympics,but then they won some ist prize here in Niger but could not in the olympics,so thats the country you are, say the truth and be banned, but just say popular things that they want to hear ooooh?they would shout 'you are the best',so, congrats joe-baba. i de hail!!!

Thank you very much for the truth!

vedaxcool: Lol!

lol...couldnt copy and remix that one, could you?

frosbel: Cry baby

Trust me chap, I am not that type of guy, I state facts and try to help the ignorant understand deep truths.

What? You're a man?

Frosbel is a man?

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vedaxcool: [size=18pt]
Well all can see what I mean!

I, Vedaxcool, like to have s£x with my cousin. It is allowed in Islam. Muhammad married Zainab his first cousin.

#cousin f4cker [/size]

Lol...Vedaxcool, the erosenin muslim

vedaxcool: Valid until the confounded can be founded! Lol

Calm down......call 07800 I-S-L-A-M-I-C H-E-L-P

They can help you with your fanaticism


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vedaxcool: I think the above is good start to gauging the "morals" of the atheist that started the thread! I wonder what have stopped the ignoramus that always argue that theist should not use microsoft etc because it was founded by an atheist to also cease the use of laws in Western countries which have their roots in the bible? Sometimes their dishonesty is of bad taste indeed!

This is why people have stopped respecting islam. Too many uneducated bigots speak over the smart muslims.


Btw, Vedaxcoool, it seems that you were pained by my comments about you supporting sexual relationships with cousins.

Here is your list of epic fails;

1) The article is not about logicboy's morality
2) The articles is about whether atheists/secular humanists can have morals
3) I never said that theists should stop using microsoft, I said that they shouldnt use microsoft/other atheists products and then call atheists fools
4) You support F4cking first cousins! Accept your title, COUSIN F4CKER



Hey, everybody, do you know that vedaxcool sypports having sex with first cousins? #Cousin f4cker!

vedaxcool:

The confounding criteria has been fulfilled!

How old are you? Arent you a married man? Why are you acting like a juvenile delinquent?

CrazyMan: @Topc.
He won it because I didn't pay much attention to this section last year. Now I'm here, no more trophies for him.

ijawkid: Lol.....

Mayb some wraps of marijuana.....

But like frosbel will say don't u guys dare get into a muslim section or zone to display ur courage...

Except u guys are ready to be matyrs......lol...

Will u be ready to die for ur stand??

Shut up. Ihebeen more prolific than any other non-muslim poster on the islam section. That is what started my banishment troubles


Furthermore, I have to give props to Frosbel and Davidlyan who give the muslims on nairaland some good bashing at times.

cyrexx: they were in the closets until the Return of the Golden Child, Master Logicboy himself, whose courageous and tireless posts and threads spawned and encouraged more and more atheistic posts and nairaland has never been the same again.

lmao.....Nairaland no go kill me with laughter!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I see, humanism is not about the individual but humanity as a whole. If this is the case, then altruism sits perfectly in it. What doesn't fit in it now is self autonomy, because a time comes where a person will need to be sacrificed for the collective and it will not help if such an individual should choose not to be sacrificed. Such a person's decision must be overridden for the sake of the 'greater good'

You cannot have it both ways my friend.[/quote]You are really playing the fool here. Do you have no shame?

You are trying to claim that embracing both the importance of indviduality and the importance of humanity as a whole are contradictory.


You must be a silly person not to see that individuality is a part of a whole; humanity made up of individuals.

it is like claiming a jigsaw piece is contradictory to the whole puzzle.




It is either

a) You are stup1d
b) You are decietful
c) You are full of hate for humanism


End of story

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You are the one holding up moral universalism. For morality to be universal, it must be objective. If morality is objective, then it must be based on something. The question would now arise: what is it based on?
If on the other hand, you claim that it is subjective, then you cannot claim "moral universalism".

Don't just throw in an 'ism' if you don't fully understand what it means.

Any way, I am interested in knowing these situations where the subjectivity of morality changes[/quote]Are you foolish? Who are you trying to bamboozle here? Its bad enough that you switched the topic after you have lost the debate on whether atheists have morals but to now claim indirectly that I dont know the meaning of moral universalism is just plain foolishness.


Morality is mostly subjective but in some instances, there are clear cut cases of objective morality where we all say that an action is inhuman, wrong or immoral.

For instance, marriage of cousins was not seen as incest (with European monarchs and Muslims) until science proved that there is a high consanguinity in first cousins.


The morality changed. Unfortunately, like christians, the muslims believe in absolute morality and the moral law-giver sanctioned cousin marriage and so, first cousin marriage is allowed in islam.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Let me ask you this: Is morality objective or subjective to the individual?[/quote]Depends on the situation

Why are you asking this question? Have you finally seen the errors of your arguments?

ijawkid: Lol....

They were afraid of being matyred........lol....

lololol.


So what gave them the courage

[quote author=Mr_Anony]If we have differences based on our different environments and different sociological factors, why then should our moral laws be the same? Why should what you consider good and evil be respected by MoGs or anyone else since you are obviously not influenced by the same environment and sociological factors?[/quote]Moral universalism. look it up.


Furthermore, there are basic traits we have as a species. Some basic form of morality that we have inbuilt. Moral universalism comes in here.


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