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Deep Sight: Honestly, the intense st.upidity of some of the standard refrains of atheists (such as this one) is jaw dropping. I don't know how someone, living in a material world, will turn about to say that he is yet to see any material evidence of God.

The statement is contradictory, and even betrays some challenges in grasping the very meaning of some simple words.

Enjoy your infantile delusions.

Lol...your comment is as foolish as ever. An immaterial god does not exist in a material world. Simple.


how is that statement contradictory?

buzugee: the point here is all white people whether they call themselves british, french, scandinavian, roman, greek, south african, dutch etc etc. they are all the same people. they are all edomites. the first great edomite empire started under alexander the great. this was the begining of their power. they called themselves the greek empire back then. then they became the romans. then they became europe. then they broke off to form america.

Sometimes you're a genius and sometimes you're a raving lunatic.


If not that today is Sunday, I wuld have gone out to drink some cider after reading the above quote

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buzugee: britain is part of the roman empire. the roman empire morphed into the 10 horns of the book of revelation which are the 10 mother european countries. so every country in europe including britain is part of the old roman empire. so yes britain remains an empire. the roman empire still controls the world. only they now call themselves europe and america

lol......and America was a Britsh Empire. Epic fail.

The Romans left Britain.

fellis: How can you even say these cultures are similar to racism? They are not similar, neither are they discriminatory.
If you cannot abide by the laws in the place you live then move away, it's as simple as that

LMAO....Fellis explodes!


How are going to have an atheist boyfriend if you cant even argue for your religion?


Racism is discrimination.

Not allowing someone to eat his cultural food because your religion forbids it is discrimination.
Not alllowing someone to wear her own traditional clothes in her own country is just madness- hyper discrimination. ou have no valid reason for not allowing her to wear hr traditional clothes

Where are the christians on this thread?


Cowards!

buzugee: atilla the hun and genghis khan were not ruling world empires. WORLD EMPIRES not LOCAL CHAMPIONS

the book of john predicted america, which will be the last gentile empire on earth and is an offshoot of the roman empire.

Fail. Britain still remains an empire.



The book of revelations is a fairytale

fellis: How does this negate what I said?

Nope.....just added emphasis on the word "unjust".

fellis: If she decides to live in a Sharia state then she has to live according to the laws of the state. While this might appear to be unfair to you, you have to remember that every society has to have laws which its citizens should live by in order to preserve law and order in that society. If you chose to live in any region, then you should be prepared to follow whatever laws were put in place in that region.

Unfortunately, you are giving the exact argument that a segregationist would have used. Respect the law of the state, blacks and whites have to use different toilets, restaurants and schools.


When did you become so heartless, Fellis?


A discriminatory law remains a discriminatory law. You have to not that my sister can wear her traditional dress anywhere in the UK

fellis: What really happened to the man? Did your people kill him because he was a Muslim?

Nobody knew what really happened to him but the circumstances remain suspicious. But still, that is irrelevant, the point is why must Islam think it has the right to control and change people's culture? If my state adopted sharia, we both know what would happen to the edible worm and wine?

Bullsh!t

LagosShia: really?

Please, show me proof that her husband mistreated her.

Delafruita: everybody's going to hell.hopefully the islamic hell.if therez 72virgins in heaven,at least there should be 1000virgins per person in hell with correct booze and PS3 to make-up for the times when erectile dysfunction kicks in.
yahweh's hell is gonna be worse.wont be fun to have demons poking forks in your asss while your teeths keep gnashhing

lmao.....I prefer the pagan hell where we chill with our ancestors and drink wine

fellis: Islam is not discriminating against any culture. To discriminate means to treat a person or group of persons unfairly because of prejudice. The Islamic culture or way of life has it's own standards for dressing and your culture has it's own standards. The former does not treat the latter unfairly by simply having those cultures you mentioned so how is prejudice involved in the matter?
Besides, there is no compulsion in Islam. If you don't want to adopt the Islamic culture then don't. No need to complain about it.

dis·crim·i·na·tion/disˌkriməˈnāSHən/
Noun:
The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.



Explain what is just about not allowing my sister to wear her traditional clothes in her own country. She can wear it anywhere in Nigeria but not the Sharia state she is currently in. The girl in the above picture can not wear her clothes in her own country due to Islam.


Explain what is fair when the first mulsim in my village (who mysteriously dissappeared ) was going around telling people that God doesnt want them to drink wine or eat edible worm. Assuming there was sharia law put in my state, what would happen to the culture of drinking wine and eating edible worm?

ijawkid: U seem correct.....

Those acts Jesus condemned are exactly what many of the churches love doing....

U are correct.........

U are going to hell.

Ihedinobi: It takes superhuman patience to deal with you atheists/all-other-fun-names-y'all-call-yourselves, make I talk true. They are amazing at their ability to misunderstand and wrongly address arguments. They reject the basis of arguments and then demand that others argue based on the rejected foundations. Should the others do so, they immediately reject the arguments because they do not accept the basis. It's incredible. And while it makes me guffaw, I still find it very very frustrating. Because you cannot do other than run round and round and then some with them. It's dizzying. Here's an example:







Both quotes are part of the same "smooth" running comment.

Now, what is the reconciliation between "I don't subscribe to your idea of a designer" and "human knowledge is limited"? I'm really curious. The latter statement implies a comparison which prompts the question (which is logical, by the way), "compared to what or whose knowledge"? The creationist provides an answer to the logical question. The answer is plausible and explains adequately the conundrum and, for incredibly emotional reasons, the atheist throws out the explanation, but won't offer a better or more adequate. In this case, his "better" explanation appears to be "the human knowledge is limited in comparison to what is yet to be known". This answer would have made sense if one did not pay attention to an assumption it makes: that, we, somehow know that there is more to be known than we currently do. And that prompts the question, "how do we know this?" How does evolution, which appears to be the atheist-in-question's explanation for life and existence, answer how we know anything? How does it give us standards for comparisons? Raise these questions and you're told they're meaningless. Tell them that God must, by definition, not have an origin, for example, so that any question directed at that is meaningless and they throw it out as illogical.

That's just an instance. The atheist says there is no evidence of God and the Creationist offers a plethora of proofs only to have the atheist throw everything out as conjecture. Then the same atheist offers his own completely indefensible conjectures and insults the creationist for refusing them since they are flawed.

What are the foundations of the atheist's position? The following, I think:

- no evidence for God

- the history of repression and violence credited to organised religions

- nothing else as far as I can see.

Are these positions logically tenable? Not quite. Emotionally nko? Yes, a million times yes.

- Is there evidence for God? To this, I ask what would be accepted as evidence and what wouldn't? Should evidence of a thing adhere to its own nature or to the inquirer's idiosyncracies of that thing? Isn't the former the more logical? If it is, then evidence of God has to agree with His Nature as He purportedly reveals, should it not?

- Should the history of organized religions be a determinant factor of the proof of God's existence? I answer that with, "is hearsay always correct? Is misrepresentation an impossibility?" To throw out the existence of God because some human beings did or do such-and-such in His Name is not a logical approach at all. It's a very emotional one. Obviously because it makes no sense to hang a dog because someone called him a bad name (very common English idiom, I might add).

My point is that while we Christians (more than any other apologists of creation or deists) are frequently accused of being illogical, our very accusers are the murderers of logic. I have never spoken with an atheist on this forum who could follow a thought to its rational end and decide that that end was irrational. All the atheists I know weave completely confused arguments that have to be untangled just to be understood, to say nothing of addressing them. It's soooooooooo disappointing!!!

I've come finally to thinking that before starting any debate or investigation with an atheist, it's best to have them define the rules of logic they intend to employ so that you can keep them logical. Meeeeeehn!!!!!!

Shut the hell up

You and Mr Anony aka mr Annoy piss me off, goddammit!!


You guys are the most dubious artful dodgers known to Nairaland. You dont believe me? Notice how this thread got derailed from diseases which creationism can never explain without magic. There is no commonsense reason for diseases in creationism. However, yu guys shifted the debate to atheism.



Your above quote is nonsense. I dont believe in God because there is no evidence for God. No material evidence at all. None.

Secondly, every definition of God fails

-God is omnipotent? Omnipotence is a paradox- Can God create a rock that he can not move? Any answer, yes or no proves that he is not omnipotent.

-God is all knowing? Wow, so he knows the future? Then where is our freewill? Also why did he not realise that flooding the whole world (which didnt happen) would not change an iota of the evil than man does and can do?


-God is the creator? So your God is so retarded that instead of clicking everything into existence in a second, he had to create the big bang and wait millions of years for the earth to be formed and another set of million years for humans to be created.

LagosShia: ^

do you want me to send you your "edible worms" for "salah gift"?

no one is oppressing.i even told you bon apetit.

you just try your best not to oppress anyone by forcing your culture upon them.contain your "edible worms" and lifestyle to yourself,your household and community.no one needs you to defile them with your "edible worms" and wine.

When have I told anyone to eat edible worms? Something I havent eaten since I was a child? See how you lie so that we can be on the same level of intolerance? Epic fail. I am not intolerant like you.


Thank you for telling me that my culture defiles people.


Everyone can see who the imperialist is.


Oppressor

LagosShia: when he can no longer raise long foolish arguments to pretend he is talking sense,he brings up petty discussions and try to feel victimized.

Why are you copying Vedaxcool's style? When he cant debate, he randomly talks to himself and tries to taunt the opponent.

fellis: Wow.
Logicboy is angry because he heard that maggot is haraam. I didn't know you had a taste for maggots. . . . .

Maggots.......thats all you could get from the thread?


I like how you dont even deny how your religion discriminates against culture.

Deep Sight: As bad as religious fairy tales can be, atheistic delusions are far worse and really do sc.rew logic in its backside without con.doms.

Name the atheistic delusions

buzugee: thts exactly the way the bible described him. except morgan does not have a gold of uphaz belt around his waist. this is a case of movie imitating life.

lmao.

LagosShia: no one is forcing you to wear Islamic or Islamic approved traditional dresses.we wear them with our own choice.

do as you please.stop oppressing us and wanting to interfere even the way we fart or whether to wash our private parts after urinating.that is not your business.mind your business.i am not insulting your culture.you should stop insulting us by trying to be silly and ignorant to pick on Muslims.

I have heard of muderers playing the victim but this is just silly? Who is the imperialist between me and you? Who is the victim of oppression here?


Does my culture or atheism stop you from doing your islamic stuff? Who is "haraaming" who here?

Are you not the one that believes that God hates my culture? My culture allows and loves wine. Does your God approve of alcohol? No
Are you not the one that believes that God has forbidden certain food like edible worms?


I dont care what muslims do. I only care when they infringe on my freedom!


Who cares if you want to wash hands before prayers? Dont just oppress me with your laws

LagosShia: we are already discussing this in another thread,why did you come to start a fresh thread?
https://www.nairaland.com/1008472/why-all-muslims-pray-arabic/1

We did not ndiscuss food, did we.

LagosShia: in many instances,Islam is compatible with culture.it only becomes haram when the pratice harms in human being or goes against Islamic standards based on moral and reasonable grounds.there is nothing wrong to wear traditional dresses if they do not expose the body and create lust.

Many Nigerian cultures drink palm wine.

Furthermore, it is shameful for you to act as if the traditional dress in the above picture would be allowed in some sharia states in Nigeria. My own country discriminating agaisnt my culture because of an Arabic religion.

LagosShia: as for your worm eating habit in your culture,bon apetit thanks but no thanks!

And why should it be forbidden?

LagosShia: in pre-islamic arabia,burying their infant daughters was also a cultural practice.but islam stopped it.i guess someone like you would like that practice to continue too.

What a foolish argument. Who does eating edible worms or dressing in our traditional attire harm?

LagosShia: Burkah is not arabic.it is afghan way of dress.

Niqaab and Hijab is Islamic and not arabic.

Chador is Iranian.

stop your ignorance.


for Muslims,Islam takes precedence to culture.what you need to understand is to stop mixing Islam with arabic culture.they are two separate things.

Muslims men and women wear traditional dresses compatible with Islam,in the sense of not exposing the body or exposing the minimum limit of the body that should be covered.for women,their hair,hands,and body up to the leg should at least be covered.i have showed you Nigerian Muslim men in traditional dresses.

https://www.onislam.net/english/oimedia/onislamen/images/mainimages/Nigeria%20divorees1.JPG

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https://bikyamasr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Nigeria-Woman-Muslim.jpg




turban is Islamic and not arabian.that is the point.whether you niger-delta people wear cowboy or jewish black hats is not my business.



that is a lie.the pictures make it clear Muslim women wear traditional dresses.but what you mean is Muslim women cannot wear traditional dresses that set them out half na.ked in public.stop generalizing.

1) Those women added extra to the traditional wear. There is no need to have extra clothing to head tie . That is an islamic or arabic addition to the traditional wear.

2) Thank you for insulting my culture. Does the blow picture look half naked to you? This is what women wear in my culture;


https://api.ning.com/files/NTbtw6YkKbgVurJJmH-VW33ZiFKBbxDwE3i2yvylsBYnJRwzHcPnZwGraF7WqFV9X70Sv818k7VGj3b9-WyP89p1OxtiGUfV/edobeauty.jpg?width=398&height=600

-Food
Edible worm is a snack where I come from. Fat, juicy worms. A simple protein supplement eaten by my forefathers. Haraam
Palm wine drunk my forefathers and still drunk today. Haraam

-Sex
Premarital sex is allowed between two consenting adults in my culture. Haraam

-Clothing
While not explicitly haraam, thanks to the conservative Islam adopted in Northern Nigeria, my sisters can not wear their traditional dresses in some parts of Nigeria. Think about this, a Nigerian can not wear her cultural dress in parts of Nigeria, however, in secular countries, she is free to wear it anywhere.

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lol, Vedaxcool, Tbaba and LagoShia, do really expect non-muslim southerners that are aware of their culture to see islam as anything but unfair and imperialistic?

LagosShia: do you know if she was forced to marry her jewish husband and he was mistreating her?

the fact is Safiya fell in love with the Prophet (sa) long before the battle of Khaybar and that used to bother her husband.

and her test of sincerity is even after the death of the Prophet (sa) when those hypocrites who pretended to be believers during his lifetime came out to show their true colors,Safiya (ra) remained steadfast in Islam.she never once was caught insincere about her faith or wavering.she was a faithful Muslim woman till her last breath.she did not harm the Prophet (sa) nor was she disobedient.she is a good "mother of the believers".never did she harm the Prophet (sa) or even try to escape.if she was unhappy,a woman like her would have at least ran away after his death to palestine.

So you now lie against her husband to defend Muhammad?

vedaxcool: As expected the atheists and christians confirmed their hypocritical stance towards religious freedom and their support for persecution and totalitarianism! What this thread will serve is, an evidence in any future discuss on religious intolerance etc. China u guys need to learn from the soviet union, . . ., this same china suppresses tibetan buhdism and also interferes in the running of catholic church by imposing church leaders etc, yet the hordes of hypocrites are praising them . . .

BTW why is it that only controversial topics makes the front page? Yet there are many wonderful topics such as thaba's through the Qur'an etc that never make the front page yet they are highly educative!we will like to see more topics that talks of Islam in view of educating the people (largely ignorant of Islam).

Lol, it must be painful to have a taste of your intolerance thrown at you? Clearly, I agreed that China was being intolerant......but no more that muslims in Saudi Arabia or Iran

buzugee: actually he is not imaginary. he is described in the bible in the book of daniel as a black man with a white afro ( kinda like wole soyinka )

Morgan Freeman has confused you.


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[quote author=Bélla3]I agree, even though i think the topic should be: 99% of NIGERIAN christains may end in HELL[/quote]lmao

davidylan: i am a scientist... are you?

What do you major in? Are you a social scientist or what?

jim jones: abegi. y'all better go get a life or two real quick. "..stop this fraud" my nyansh. you obviously have nothing better to do. tb joshua has tons of accurate prophesies, you've never set out to disprove any of them. you then wait for an opportunity like this one to fly off the handle. this man is the nearest thing to mythical/biblical jesus....and like it or not, the most POWERFUL "man of god" on this here planet. neither one of you idiots bashing this guy will doubt the fact jonah was a true prophet of god, yet he did prophesy something that didnt come to pass. which one of your pastors is any LESS FAKE(less fake meaning they all are fake...including jesus, innit) than tb joshua? adebole, oledepo, the idiot at the helm of CAN, the paula whyte-fvcking benny hinn, the little boys-fvcking eddie long, the homo-loving joel osteen or the bleached fried-hair guy??(i could name more, just aint got all day). these scumbags cant even be mentioned in the same breathe as tb joshua...certainly not if we're talking about the demonstrated power of "god," or humility amidst all that power.

i respect tb joshua for all that shit he does, yea... but i'll respect him even more when he calls it what is - magic. attributing that shit to some blue-eyed heavily bearded whiteman in the sky makes him just a little less of a joke than all the other schmucks i mentioned earlier. make these other schmucks prophesy make we all see na? wasnt it oledepo that famously released the spirit of madness on the boko haram camp, a spirit that was supposed to render them futile? boko haram has since gone mental...waxing stronger by the day, while blowing up as many churches including a car bomb at an oledepo church in bauchi.

say what you will about tb joshua, but he's got the president of ghana coming to him for blessings, while your 'authentic' men of god are all over dumbele jona-cassava kissing his ass on a random shatter...just so he'll stay the hand of efcc from rounding up them godly fraudsters.

Commot for road, sheep!

onatisi: na ur head dem dey take follow am if you wan join then join if not shut up

E dey pain you? Na ma fault? I force you join false prophet?

You mad?


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Cyracks: millitary baracks or airforce baracks? You are not even sure yourself

!mbecile, I quoted him verbatim.