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noetic16: This is quite DUMB.

1. can you explicitly state the "logical statement" described as atheism?

2. If believers relies on faith to support their theism, what do atheists rely on in lieu of the lack of evidence to support their assertions that there is no God? did I hear you say FAITH?

There exists no evidence for God. None. That is why you have faith- "belief without evidence".


If I told you that I am the fastest person alive, you would ask for the evidence of my speed record beofore you believe me. If you say that God exists, you have to provide the proof. 2000 years and counting no evidence or proof of God. None. Not one.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]maybe for you. for me it is duty, self respect and a belief in the spiritual.[/quote]So you spirittual/religious leader has some spiritual powers? What does he do? Does he talk to the spirits?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Your definitions are still funny; number 1 firmly defines atheism as anti-religion. and number 2 defines nearly every organization as a religion.[/quote]How? How does the first definition put atheism as a religion? Does atheism have a set of beliefs or rituals?

The second definition is very vague, I agree. I should have looked for a better second definition.


[quote author=Mr_Anony]Dude na wetin na. Why are you so obsessed with telling me that your Jesus is dead? Na me kill am for you?[/quote]Your sarcasm fails. Jesus is dead. Has been off the earth since 2000 years ago. Keep lying to yourself that you have a relationship with him. A guy that you have no idea what he looks like or whether he even existed in the first place.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]How does this not contradict the definition of religion you gave?[/quote] . Nice observation there. But irrelevant. The point is that following christ is a religion. Once you follow or worship a god, it is a religion.

As for the contradiction, it has to do with the second definition of religion (which following christ still falls under)

re·li·gion   [ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects




[quote author=Mr_Anony]Sorry bruv, My Jesus is alive. sorry to hear that yours is dead.[/quote]Alive? Where is he? Is he walking up and down somewhere on earth? Alive means living. Jesus is dead.

SimonAndal: Wait, you're logicboy? I thought logicboy was logicmind? Migraines.

Calm down.


Logicmind is another guy. e is a friend


I am logicboy aka Macdaddy

[quote author=Mr_Anony].......and only moments ago he was trying to divorce atheism from anti-religion.

By the way while you still have that dictionary, look up the word "relationship"[/quote]Huh? When did atheism = anti-religion? Do all religions have gods? Are there not atheistic religions? Ignorance is your worst flaw.


As for "relationship", you are engaging in some invisble necrophilia. You can have a relationship with a dead person even Jesus.

noetic16: No one is attacking atheism or humanism. What we have done on the forum is to reveal the loopholes in this human manufactured theories, through which natural events are being misinterpreted as evidence. And by natural, I mean God-ordained.

Atheism is a fallacy, that lives in the mind of those with limited or nihilant imagination, intellectual prowess or a strong logical ability to make analysis. Truth is, we are yet to see any plausible scientific or other wise evidence that supports atheistic arguments. This explains why responses to you might sound insulting, but are just our way of telling you that we have heard this same old tales before, and we know where it lead to.

Dude, no one is insulting you. If you have any plausible evidence or logical analogy that supports your atheistic postulations, feel free to tender it. until then, atheism remains the sacred religion of intellectual lightweights.

Apparently, you dont know what atheism is. It is not a religion but a theological stance.


Atheism is not a fallacy but a logical statement, there is a lack of evidence to believe in a god.


A believer religies on faith. Faith is not logical, infact, it is the opposite of logic.

mkmyers45: Logicboy i think you should focus on bettering yourself as an atheist in true search of the truth and lay-off all this....

#In.....

Nope, I love the religious douchebagz too much to let them drown in some of their wrong doctrines

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Since when did following Christ become a religion?[/quote]re·li·gion/riˈlijən/
Noun:
The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods


Ignorance is a disease.


Follower of christ = a religion. Fact

SimonAndal: You're fighting a losing battle, mate. Nairaland christians, heck, Nigerian christians are so steeped in their brainwash that anybody else is the devil. Just do what I've recently learned to do: turn the other way.

Nope, that is cowardly. The battle cant be lost on the internet. How many pro-christian threads do we see nowadays on nairaland? They are decreasing.

However, you might be right in real life. There is hardly anyways to convince them of some of their wrong doctrines when they have conviction in the majority.

Ihedinobi: My religion? Now that's extremely confusing. I'm totally unaware that I have a religion.

Geez! You're tiresome, dude!

Sorry, i thought that you and Anony are brothers in christ.

Religion can make you do stupid things. The worst that an atheist/agnostic can do on the internet is insult religion when it comes to religion.


Lets look at the abyss of st.upidity/hypocrisy that religion is dragging our fellow Nigerians into;

1) Insulting the victims and using disasters to praise their religion;
The Dana aeroplane crash is an example. They say foolish things like "God saved me from buying a plane ticket that day". God saved you? Were the people on that flight cursed or punished by God? Why didnt God save everybody on that flight ( from the crash,therefore, saving more people altogether) rather than saving you alone?

Another example is the Haiti earthquake, where Jesoul tells a story of a couple that was "saved by God" from the earthquake.

https://www.nairaland.com/388072/haiti-earthquake-intimate-account-providence

So, God chose not to save the hundreds of people that died in the earthquake or the injured in the earthquake but to save the couple?

Tell me, is that not an insult to the victims?

I believe that these Nairaland christians are one step away from Pat Robertson who claimed that the earthquake was because of the Haitian's pact with the devil!



2) Defend the evils that some "Men of God" or church authorities do;
These MOGs' have become more important than Jesus himself.

Oyedepo slapped a girl and people were defending it. Even here on Nairaland where people are from all over the world. In any advanced/developed country, would Oyedepo have gotten away with such? https://www.nairaland.com/931150/oyedepo-fails-appear-court-slapping

What about private jets? Does a pastor need a private jet when diplomats fly amost every week on commercial planes? The same diplomats who fly more than these MOGs' and have a more important job of keeping peace and harmony between countries? Any pastor with a private jet is a fraud- a tithe fraud. https://www.nairaland.com/446173/does-pastor-trully-need-private/1

What about catholics? How can you still be a catholic when the catholic church mas made it clear that when a case of child abuse is evident, their first priority is to make sure that the reputation of catholic church is not damaged rather than helping the abuse victim.



3) Hypocritically blaming others for immorality and hate/wars. Also calling atheists "militant".
Christianity is not a religion of peace or morality. The bible alone contains the immorality of inbreeding (Abraham and Sarah- stepbrother/sister), Racism (Jesus and the Canaanite woman Matthew 15:22-26 and genocide (extermination of Amakelites, Noah's flooding). Christianity has been by far the bloodiest religion ever known to mankind from Constantine's just war in 314 to the inquisitions in the 12 century to Hitler.

Atheism should not be conflated with anti-religion. Atheism is only a theological stance and not a doctrine or set of beliefs.

Christians do not have the copyright on morality. Anyone can be immoral. Atheism is not evil. Infact, christians do not have the standing to claim that others are immoral when we look at the evidence;


www.nairaland.com/attachments/733534_divorce_religion_png81c89aa5abf7c69de9d4543c55a864a0
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2011-03-14-divorce-christians_N.htm


[img]http://1.bp..com/_8sY9bx8acNM/SibxlnDSmjI/AAAAAAAAAZE/kmGm1kwFX3s/s400/Global_peace_index.png[/img]
http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/06/atheist-nations-are-more-peaceful.html



Muslim version coming soon. (if you want the muslim version put "#infidel" at the end of your reply)

Albert708: if is prophecy are vague why can't you make a prophecy that is as vague like this that will come to pass.

Simple. There will be a disaster within the next two months

Ihedinobi: I completely agree with you, Macdaddy, that Logicboy is an inappropriate name for you o. Macdaddy is way better since the name can be broken down into two understandable components though when they're joined together, one's at a loss as to their meaning.
It's a little like how you reason. The sum of the things you say usually is a wild tangle of conflicting facts. I'm sorry if I offend you by saying so. But it's my answer to your comment about my arguing for argument's sake. I don't do that.
I think that argument should be for the purpose of learning truth and trumping lies. This is why the very emotion generated by the perception of lies in an opposing argument should only serve as impetus for a logically correct rebuttal of that argument.
You know, the thing with the fanatic is that he refuses with vehemence to acknowledge any weakness in his position. He refuses to see the correct place of reason in his beliefs. You're a little like that with your atheism. You hold it like a prophet with his religion. Rather than clearly show that perceived failings of your position are no more than perceived, you insist on attacking the person that points them out. That is the problem with religion.
I have shown in another thread that that "thing" that the people who were first called Christians in Antioch, according to the Bible, is not a religion. It takes a very obstinate fool or profoundly ignorant and misguided person to make it so. Such people did and the result was all that terror and hurt you keep alluding to. Now, my question is, are you saying that because people like I have described did something so incredibly foolish, it is ok for you to do the same?
And, why do you insist on calling me a hypocrite? What grounds do you have for accusing me of hypocrisy?
Jọọ, if your emotions cannot help you establish some clear and coherent rebuttal to an argument, why bother na? It's really tiresome to keep dealing with all that anger you keep slinging about!

Wow, you talk a lot of nonsense. You conflate "atheism" with "anti-religion".

What emotions are you talking about? The hypocrisy on your part is to say that I would likely want to go and exterminate religious people because of my atheism when your religion has been doing that more than any other religion.

vedaxcool: Lol poor u!

Sharaap there!

buzugee: ya papa na bozo

Bozogee!

ijawkid: Oboy 1st century Çhristians never engÀged in politic§ like there master Jesus.....

Do u just like arguing or d hatred for christianity has overwhelmed u........

The apostles and 1st century christians never engaged in d worlds politics.....

U knw how professed christians engaging in wars and politics today had there start....

U were a catholic for 22 yrs u shuld knw better.....

lol....heard of the council of Jerusalem and the Bishop of rome? Ignorance is good for christianity

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]what has fear got to do with anything[/quote]Fear makes you o and believe stupid things.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I'll leave us with the following quote,


“A little science estranges a man from God. A lot of science brings him back.”
― Francis Bacon[/quote]lol....The quote summarizes the thinking of a religionist;

appealing to authority.


Francis Bacons quote is an epic fail considering how scientists are mostly atheists/agnostics/skeptics. Furthermore, science puts reasoning before God.


A foolish quote is a foolish quote, no matter the speaker.

ijawkid: I want u to really go back and read from ACTS to see why paul was summoned.....

If u want us to go into that then I'm all ready....

Pauls teachings does nt differ with Jesus's teachings..

Infact paul was dispatched by d apostles to d nations to preach and teach...

Bottom line::::

The 1st century christians were nothin related to constantines professed christianity.....

1st century christians didn't engage in xmas celebrations...

[b]1st century christians never engaged in d politics of this world...

[/b]1st century christians were never nationalistic,therefore won't engage in wars...they were neutral....

Keep lying to yourself Their engagement in politics is why we have christianity today.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]thats is the dumbest thin i have ever heard.

It was the Pagan Romans who were persecuting them so why wold they call christians as Pagan [/quote]What is the meanining of pagan?

Do you think the pagan romans called themselves pagan? Are you that ignorant about your religion?

FXKing2012: Hitler went to a catholic church doesnt make him a Christian. Dekung attends MFM, his wife is something of a pastor at MFM and his house is used for house fellowship yet he is an atheist to the core. Attending church does not make a person theist or a Christian, people attend church for various reasons. Why is your head so blocked to understand this?

Ignorance is a disease, didnt hitler talk about his faith?

tobechi74: Whatever the objective of religion is, it has not realy achieved its aim...becos religious practicers arent living up to expectation

wrong, it is has achieved its aim. Used to control the masses.

deleo16: broder be mature in ur comment na

A grown person believing in magical prophesies, is that mature?


TB Joshua is using death to scare you sheep. His predictions are always vague and open to interpretation so that he pr his church can claim that it came to pass whenever something happens.

See these sheep.

ijawkid: Lol..

As usual u come up with ur slave wahala....na u sabi....

If u culd mention 1 slave d apostles had I'll be happy...

So slavery is just 1 thing u culd pick out that d 1st century christians did wrong??

Mind u they were persecuted for following christ nt because of paganism....

Paganism crept into christianity durin d 3rd century....

Are you that ignorant? Christians were called pagans because they were not the major religion at the time. Christianity was seen as a cult of Jewish man worshippers in the first century.

Slavery was rife in the Roman empires that those christians lived in.

tobechi74: Asking what is the point of christianity is like asking what is the point of religion

Yes and what is the point of religion

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]ofcourse exorcism is real. you should also read this account by european explorer William Thesiger when he was travelling among the Mahra tribe of Arabia.[/quote]Nope. Fear is real

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]i heard they even stictch it up in East Africa for women, leaving a small gap for defecation and when the man wants to produce a baby, she painfully removest he stitches. . [/quote]https://attentionmax.attentionmax.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Vomit.png

vedaxcool: ^
Oh dear this is an unusual display of extreme incapacity to comprehend (EIC) no wonder atheism became the only nothing left for cryer to follow lol chai!

Aww sorry! I didnt know that you were a gay muslim. It must be difficult living in a religion that hates you for your sexuality!


Aww. I wish I could help but I am not a gay. Sorry men!!