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[quote author=Proactive-corp]The pope was a man of faith, so we cannot trust him to be completely objective about issues of faith and reason
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But when did pope john paul become a christian! i thought he was a catholic! Is christianity and catholicism the same! Many many christians distance themslves from catholicism.

The fact the catholic faith is at variance with evangelical faith speaks volumes about the inconsistency, the fluidity and the non-reliability of faith, compared to the universality of reason.[/quote]Ignorance. The catholics compiled the chritian bible. Catholic church is the oldest denomination to exist.

Catholicism is christianity. A painful truth that non-catholic christians dont want to hear.


lmao...sorry christians but you cant distance yourself from the catholic church.

vedaxcool: I don't know whether blindness is a special ability that comes with being a atheist . . . But the serial liar cannot deny he did not see the link above all this while . . . The points goes unanswered . . . Maybe u may consider phone a friend . . . Try not calling on the imaginary ones . . .

A God believer calling an atheist a person with imaginary friends? The irony is too much!


Vedaxcool? you that believe in witches and wizards and spirits?



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vedaxcool: This says it all . . .

See this guy. You can try to wiggle out all you like. The question remains

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Why are you using the hadith to abrogate the Quran?[/size]

I havent laughed so much in weeks. LagosShia and Vedaxcool are brothers in deceit.


Explain how you people are not zombified slaves?

Jesus was a muslim? LMAO..na by the title of "peace be unto him"?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Asking why bachelors are unmarried is equally a good question..........we must always seek the definition of a definition?[/quote] Apples and oranges again

Nope. Everyone who speaks english knows who a bachelor is. A very specifically defined term.


God on the other hand means different things to different people. Some say God is a force.


You keep failing, master debater (or are you just a master bater )

lagosshia, do you think people are foolish?

vedaxcool: Liar! My uncle and his kid survived the incident today by share providence of Allah! U pretender that claims 19 brothers but does not even know a single soul in ny of the 19 want to claim knowledge of what u are ignorant of, the incident is political and the former lg chairman has been declared wanted, we learnt 3 days ago he threatened violence again the people because of his own selfish agenda . . . Jesus is truly disappointed with the cadre of Christians we have today, . . ., when a muslim steals, it must be Islam, if done by a christian it is the devil! Ye are hypocrites and an evil and adultrous generation that seeketh after a sign, when muslims comit killings it is Islam but christian kill sikhs in america, he is mentally disturd! What say you? Aren't thou the hypocrites!

So the victims of the incident did not have the providence of Allah shine on them?

LagosShia: Lol...these morons cannot admit they are wrong.

They are so repressed by their satanic whisperings.

lol....LagosShia keeps proving my point!


When did atheist = satanist?


smh

LagosShia: you have formerly being answered using your other username:

https://www.nairaland.com/932792/how-islam-make-life-better/2

Oh noes! LagosShia has exposed me!!!!



smh

proo212: Again the bible verses quoted by lagosshia are not corrupted when he's trying to validate his point but in general the bible is corrupt...hehehe. You guys and your lies.

I don't support macdaddy's.position on a lot this gs but he made a mistake and fessed up. But Lagosshia and vedaxcool to admit their theories are lies that everyone can see through? They've just killed 19 of brothers in Kogi State but Allah revealed the same to all the prophets abi?

Lol...Vedaxcool and LagosShai can not admit that they are wrong.


They are so repressed by the quran

vedaxcool: We know the truths to you is insults and accusation

but I restate: . . . for some one that quotes Qur'anic verses time after time and then pretend you have not read the term captives re-enforces the fact that your style of debate is laden with deceit and lies . . .

How old are you? Seriously? You couldnt answer the questions? Who is being deceitful?


This is good....vedaxcool will soon explode......


Why are you using the hadith to abrogate the Quran? Even an atheist would never do that

vedaxcool: Coming from a serial liar . . . it is a compliment

https://www.nairaland.com/1008472/why-all-muslims-pray-arabic/2#11716081

Vedaxcool, you have some mental problems.


1) Read my comment again, I said that you were either lying about the pastor-muslim or the muslim-pastor is a liar. What kind of pastor calls himself a muslim? I might as well call myself a

2) Jesus was a Jew by religion. He was not a muslim. Jesus referred to the Jewish scriptures in his teachings. Fact.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Yeah, but the point of debates isn't about popularity votes but the votes must reflect that the debater followed his points logically and consistently. Granted, this isn't a formal debate (more like a heated conversation) but what I have been trying to do is to show you the gaping holes in your argument by asking you questions that if you really knew how to think logically you would have seen what I was pointing at.

Gone are the days when I would entertain your silly questions and sincerely try to give you an answer. Now if you ask me a silly question, I'll simply respond with an even sillier question.....and then we can degenerate into a battle of one liners. I'll keep going like this until the day you show me that you are capable of having intelligible conversations.[/quote]Asking why God is uncreated is a good question........you never question your belief?

Deep Sight: OMG, another display of illiteracy on the scale of his former "Israel is in Europe" da.ftness.

I must have done something to hurt your ego on Nairaland.


There was nothing foolish about my energy statement. Funny that you should be bring up a statement of mine that isnt technically wrong to attack me.


Enjoy the butthurt


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buzugee: not survival of the fittest. more like 'whomever desires it most gets it'

Nope


Who is lucky to have been born to genetically and physically strong parents would be more likely to survive

Who is lucky to have been born to Christian parents would be more likely to be christian and have a second life

vedaxcool: Whenever you can address the points raised four posts back then you would truly have saved face but to engage in red red herrings sort of argument will only deface you further . . . like I did say previously . . .

And truly the points towers high above you to understand indeed . . .

Smh


artful dodging.

vedaxcool: Since you do not know the difference between a captive and a non captive there is no point . . . for some one that quotes Qur'anic verses time after time and then pretend you have not read the term captives re-enforces the fact that your style of debate is laden with deceit and lies . . . or would the term ignorant suffice? in any case we fall into the same situation . . .

See how a simple question derailed you in to accusations and insults?


I repeat; Where in the Quran does that particular rule about captives appear? And if it doesnt, why does a hadith overrule the Qurans limitations on widows?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, you don't seem to know much about debates do you?[/quote]I dont know much about agbero debates,that much I agree.


I watch formal debates on youtube and the most important ones end up with votes from the audience to determine the winner.

I give up.


Mr. Anony can not debate. He answers questions with irrelevant questions

eg

Question; Why is God uncreated?

Anony Answer; Why is energy uncreated?

Who the hell defines energy as uncreated?



Funny that Mr. Anony invited me to a real life debate. In a real life debate, no one would vote for you and you would lose with this kind of strategy.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Why is it so difficult for you to understand that God is omnipresent so your question is irrelevant?[/quote]You cant be omnipresent in nowhere.

vedaxcool: It seems you are quite slow in learning, . . ., the rules for captives of war are different for the rule of non - captives . . . that is the simple sense you could make from what was posted . . .

Does that rule appear in the quran and why does it override the ruling in the Quran about widows?

vedaxcool: When "logic"boy have been refuted he throws in red herrings to save face . . . the fact that you could not even answer the points raised in my post goes to show the flimsy logic you live by . . . as for the "insults" I never knew being ignorant is an insult . . . but the heart of it remains . .. they best describe who you really are . . . lol

What points did you raise? Can you repeat any of them?



You can call you partner ignorant or your Imam ignorant and see how it goes. When it comes to atheists and christians, it seems Vedaxcool has different rules.



What points did you raise? The overall point is that anyone who believes that Arabic is necessary to fully understand the Quran is debuking the religion.

The other point is that Moses and Jesus were eligious Jews that never spoke or understood Arabic. For you to say that Moses and Jesus were muslims is to say that muslims existed before Islam itself. The Quran is the revelation of God to Muhammed. How could there be muslims before the revelation because Jesus's and Moses revelations are opposing to Muhammeds.

Jesus turned water into wine.....Muhammad believed that alcohol was banned by God

Moses believed in a God of isreal- God's chosen people.....The Quran has directions for Arabs and then everyone.

Ubenedictus: well, friend he probably threathen them with the whip but there is no record of flogging them.

So Jesus told them that he will flog them and they ran away?

And the destruction of private property?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]What about the rock?[/quote]Can God create a rock that he can not move?



[quote author=Mr_Anony]What makes energy uncreated? Can you truly define energy on any other terms other than it can neither be created nor destroyed? what other substance do you want?[/quote]Who said energy was uncreated? You are the one that defines it as such. All we know about the very first origin is what the big bang theory and cosmology proposes.

You and other arrogant christians who have no single qualification in cosmology or physics claim to know more than the scienitists themselves by saying foolish things like "energy is uncreated" or "God made the big bang". Energy came from the big bang- that is as far as scientists know.


So, why is your God uncreated?




[quote author=Mr_Anony]The problem is that you don't like the definition so you want God to be redefined for you.
I am sorry my friend, God is just God. If you don't like it, you can cry to the moon.[/quote][/quote]Your God keeps looking like a fool. A guy that changes his mind about incest, floods the whole world and then brings back a similar world (why flood int he first place), rapes virgins instead of creating his son like he did adam, punishes stealing but allows slavery and my best, he inderectly tells us that he is uncircumcised since he created man in his own image.



All your definitions of God fail

Ihedinobi: "Regulated and allowed", buddy, never endorsed. If you're going to say endorsed, you're going to have to prove that it was.

Permission is not the same as Approval ever. In the case of the Bible, God permits a lot of things because He is just. It is unjust to punish a man for a wrong he does not know that he has committed. If the human race at certain stages of its development did not know that slavery was not God's desire, then God had to, in His Justice and Fairness, allow their ignorance and regulate it toward eradicating it completely. Paul was speaking God's very thought when he said in 1 Cor 7:21, "...if you can gain your freedom, avail yourself of the opportunity" (RSV) and in Gal 3:28, "...there is neither slave nor free...for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (RSV).

Even it was only regulated, that is shameful. Do you know what it is to be slaves? You are the property of another man who is allowed to beat you and force you to work. If you're a woman, you are also going to be a sex tool. Remember that slavery in the old testament was in a time when children were killed for abusing their parents and people were killed for not obeying the sabbath.

Unfortunately, slavery was endorsed in the old testament----"you may buy slaves from the nations around you".....explicit endorsement.

It is shameful that you are saying that it was necessary for God to allow slavery. You have problems. So it was more necessary for God to punish Adam and Eve for eating a fruit than to punish men for slavery

Ihedinobi: Incidentally, William Wilberforce, one of the strongest proponents for the abolition of slave trade was a Christian and his stand was a Christian one. John Newton also, a hymn writer and composer of "Amazing Grace", if memory serves me right, was a slave-runner before he met the Lord and was born again. After that experience, he turned against slavery of human beings.

Yes and there were also secular abolitionists as well. Jon Newton destroyed lives as a slave trader before becoming an abolitionist.

You cant you the abolitionist argument for christianity when it was mainstream christianity that was supporting slavery in the first place.

Ihedinobi: Any man today who dares to involve himself in slavery cannot justify himself from the Bible and will have no excuse of ignorance before God in our days.

lol....after a thousand years of slavery and God just watching slavery

Ihedinobi: From the same verse written by Paul and which I quoted earlier, Gal 3:28, the Bible says, "...there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

The Gospel is that all the dividing lines separating us from one another have been erased by the Death of Jesus Christ. No one in Christ can claim any advantage over anybody else because of some material quality they possess, whether sex, race, social position, etc.

So, NO, there is no ground for sexism in the Bible. It was never God's intention that one member of the human race should be considered greater or less than another because of their sex.

One good statement does not erase a bad statement. Admit that Paul was sexist.

LagosShia: i hope to see more of such admission.



the bible verses i provided certainly deemed alcohol as something "unholy" and "unclean".also,the verse in romans clearly says it is good to avoid it.in luke,it is said that John the Baptist (as) was great in the sight of the Lord and on par with that it is stated he drank no strong drink.

obviously,God does not view alcohol as something good or clean that we should consume.the christians and jews can interpret anything from these verses and the others too which in a contradictory fashion in the confused,distorted and corrupt bible,praise consumption of wine.that is why i said,i do not follow what jews or christians believe but what God reveals.

the Quran has made it easy by issuing an explicit verse putting a total prohibition on consuming alcohol.the Prophet (sa) did not consume alcohol.

So you agree that the bible is different because it has no explicit ban of alcohol. Different Jewish laws

vedaxcool: Lol! you are the liar, I heard him say on national TV, A.M Express, where he describes himself as a Muslim with a a small "m" because he has submitted to God, the fact that you suffer chronic inability to understand and perpetually ignorance hangover, the definition is valid, the prophets' all submitted to God and preach the truth, that men later on twisted to make tales of lies, the word Jew is more of an ethnicity than a religion (Jew from the word Judah), the word Christians comes from Christ, meaning the anointed, again that hardly sounds like a name of religion, this names were concocted by men, not by the prophets, this fact will remain impossible for an atheist bigot of unrestrained fanaticism to simply understand!



we have proven our case from the bible countless times, . . . ungrateful is term god calls those who lie in morning and live in denial all their life . . . or do you now admit that the bible is a coherent literature? the mind of atheist is like a basket, truths they believe yesterday becomes blasphemous and ungrateful to jews . . . Hypocrisy is the one defining characteristics of an atheist . . . Jewish is a term for an ethnicity than a religion . . . a concpet that men evolve over time just like Christianity that Jesus never mentioned all his life . . . didn't Allah ask are the blind and the seeing alike? possibly to mr. annony and people like "logic"boy . . .

When Vedaxcool is debunked, he becomes more abusive.



What case did you prove from the bible? Huh? That Moses and Jesus were not Jewish by religion?


Why cant you guys admit that you copied 2 other religions?

vedaxcool: I wonder the same thing, Safiya was a captive of war . . .

Does that negate my point?

LagosShia: na wa.how can i explain what is a lie?

LagosShia is an Australian. You can explain that it is a lie because you were born in Nigeria/Iran


Explain how I am lying about your link. Your insults and dodging wont help you.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I could also say that the person who is submitting is being humble.


Now to read those verses completely would be:-
Wives submit to your husbands, husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church so much to the extent that He died for Her. Eph 5:22-33.

I don't know about you but I don't think I'll have a problem submitting to someone who is willing to die for me and is humble enough to wash my feet and be a servant to me because He loves me.[/quote]How disingenuous!


Why cant the husbands submit in return if they are equal in marriage?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Why is it that you can't understand that God by definition is Uncreated? Do you have a problem with uncreated things?[/quote]Kai, artful dodging again? What about the rock?



Furthermore, why cant you understand that atheism disproves God by definition? See how stupid that sounds? What makes God uncreated? You just dont define things on our own terms. There has to be substance behind our definitions.