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lol, a so-called intelligent fan is even thinking of winning Arsenal with our current squad! Really intelligent I must say.

Santos07:
Why would you hire a manager that plays a formation that makes most of our players useless in the middle of the season? Personal any excuse for him ends this season. I don't think anyone here will continue to support him if this bad form continues next season

Unless you are done with them and just looking for a reason to ship them out, lol.

nitrogen:
Brah, i don’t have time for this assignment. But I will tell you this: these players leave parmanently or on loan to do well in other teams. Why is that happening?

Do well? like Sancho?
- Antony and Rashford have not played up to 10 games since going on loan... I am not saying they won't do well but take the case of Sancho, immediately he went on loan, he did well initial, and then well well well.

- I might be wrong but most of Man U's current players don't have "it" anymore.

nitrogen:
You guys are in your world.

Nitrogen

- List out current Man U players
- Explain their strength to us

Mrviktor:
The only good thing about amori era is he is willing to sell.

So all dem dalot. Rasmus.. zirkzee.. yoro.. Maguire and co that felt relaxed before,. Nothing like that again.

Everyone is for sale

I believe that is their plan, flush everyone out gradually and build whatever they want.
So the 1st phase is to show everyone how horrible they are. Tweaking the system to keep the players is out of the question.

nitrogen:
What’s the average term of a manager at a top club?

Don’t managers get sacked in 3-6 months after clubs realize their mistakes?

Is 3 months not enough to see an improvement? Is it until we relegate before we sack an underperforming manager?

Which is better and efficient? Overhauling the team for someone that is looking like a mistake or sacking and getting another manager to replace them?

Lol, you dodged my questions?

- the average term is not fixed.

- Yes they do...did INOS tell you they made a mistake hiring a manager in mid season without the right players for his style?

- 3 months is too short term, especially when you are forcing square pegs into round holes.

- How do you know it's a mistake in 3 months without the right tools?

engrelvis:
That is nt d point bro.We r nt improving. instead we r deterioting. We r getting worse each day.How many matches has Amorim won convincily since he came on board?

Convincedly in 3 months with this squad?!

- How many matches did ETH win convincedly after 2 years with the budget he spent on this squad?

engrelvis:
100 percent with u on dis... D whole thing is becoming ridiculous. No sign of improvement yet ur telling us to patient. Patient until we r relegated?. We normally c new manager "bounce".it didn't happen for Amorim

I agree slot is playing to the strength of the Liverpool players.

- nitrogen and engrelvis, please name your Man U players and explain to us their strengths.

nitrogen:
Again, you guys are not getting it. ETH changed in his first season to suit the tools he had, and he did well. We eventually did an overhaul for whatever his style was but he decided not to revert. It’s different!

If you have players that can’t execute your style, we should not suffer for it by remaining stuck at the bottom of the table. Adapt and then go back to your style when you have ‘your’ so called players signed for you.

Well now I understand your standard. Good luck mate.

nitrogen:
Focus on the present and stop the whataboutsism. The previous managers were here for 2-3 years and we could say some of them achieved something with the team. I am focusing on the current manager who has not done anything right with this team after 3 months, despite sticking to a certain style of play.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

- Why did you sack them if they achieved something after 2 to 3 years?

- Why do you want to sack this one after 3 months? is 3 months already too much?

- Who do you want to hire next after sacking this one? Pep or Ancelotti?

- How long before you sack the next one? 2 weeks?

nitrogen:
Slot is playing to the strength of this Liverpool side. There is no sticking to some stupid style and asking for ‘his own’ players. I don’t care if the players are from mars, if the manager is bad, the team will struggle.

I dont know why someone will just insist on playing a nonsense strange style that is not helping the players.

The Incorrigibility is astounding!

- Are you saying every Man U manager since Ferguson was sacked for failing to play a style that suited the players?

Jamiuokolaa:
So they should try other means like relegation?

You never can tell 🤸‍♂️🤣🤣🤣😁

Jamiuokolaa:
Exactly - and that's what's Nitrogen was trying to tell you about the manager.

We are saying the same thing...they way we've been trying to shape up has not been working. Stop doing that!

Jamiuokolaa:
That's the level to which some are willing to prove that we need to suffer first before things can get better...

[s]Imagine man utd being linked with Relegation![/s]

R-e-l-e-g-a-t-i-o-n!!!!

Are you feeling entitled? It's a performance sport.
You either shape up or ship out.

Goosethetruth:
Please be careful what you wish for.
United are over one billion pounds sterling in debt. There is no money to sign players except there is a sale of some players in the club.
Amorim has got the team hooked at the lower half of the league table . Payments are made to clubs according to where they finish on the league table. So except United stay in this league and try to win the Europa so they can get into the Champions league through the back door I just don't see where the money to sign players who will suit Amorim's system is coming from.
The money certainly wouldn't come out if Manchester United are relegated into the Championship.

It doesn't matter. I can wish for Real Madrid to be relegated, do you think that will happen with how they are performing now?

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

Leyqute:
A manager that coached this same squad to 3rd 2 years ago and won the last FA Cup wasn’t good enough for you. But you’re demanding that a new manager that takes over the same squad in mid season after bad results produce magic?

Fear God now.

Wicked people, they sacked the man (ETH), and they keep raining curses on him after he won them trophies .
What else do they want from him? 🤸‍♂️🤣🤣👨‍🦼

Leyqute:
A manager that coached this same squad to 3rd 2 years ago and won the last FA Cup wasn’t good enough for you. But you’re demanding that a new manager that takes over the same squad in mid season after bad results produce magic?

Fear God now.

🤸‍♂️🤣😁

Jamiuokolaa:
Yeah, only that a manager needs to actually show workings to earn more time i.e to prove that he is the right man for the job

Breaking negative records left right and centre surely doesn't help any manager's reputation

Maybe Amorim too should implement Ten Hag's trick of winning trophies to buy more time..lol

If we finish in this 15th position and manage to win the UEL or FA cup, he might be lucky enough to earn INEOS' benefit of doubt and forge ahead with whatever plans he has..

Las las, managers are like trains thats why the general perception is that it might take a while before we recover from the mess Ten hag dragged us into

The problem didn't even start from ETH, he just compounded it.
Amorim is just showing everyone that these set of players can work with him.
It's not as if he can't tweak it but what's the use? any ETH 2.0?

The sooner fans realize we're in a deep hole, the better. Digging further won't help.

Oasis007:



......really cracked up with comical views of some United fans. Do you guys actually believe our players are better than mid-table clubs' players?!

What makes Onana better than Pickford?! Maguire and De Ligt better than Braithwaite and Tarkowski?! Oh cos they are wearing Manchester United Jersey right?!

Is Hujlund a better Striker than Beto?! Compare Gueye and Casemiro as well. Perhaps Urgate is slightly better than Garner. O'brien over Dalot definitely. Zirkzee on par with Harrison.....so what makes United deserve even a point at Goodison Park?!

Oasis007, I am really trying not to abuse our players. I know it's hard to perform at that level but common even if it's Enyimba players, I will take over what we have here.

Jamiuokolaa:
I think you are missing the point

When a team struggles with poor results, the manager is usually the 1st casuality

E.g that's why Ten hag was sacked before his Anthony was loaned out...lol

I am saying we've been trying that experiment for years and it has proven not to work for us...why not we try something else aside changing managers alone?

nitrogen:
I don’t get. So other clubs changing managers everytime are stupid or what? So the next reasonable thing to do is keep the current manager, overhaul with another 700m (with debt mind you) and then eventually sack the manager, with the fans asking for another set of ‘his’ players for another manager? Is not that insanity?

Let's work with facts...
1. Mention one top performing club that is busy changing managers and mention their players.
2. Then we can compare their set of players to what we currently have here.

nitrogen:
lol, we needed to change the manager, and its has backfired. Simple thing is to move on to another rather than start asking for another set of players.

We should overhaul an okay team for a manager that has not even tried to use the current tool to do something meaningful. You are willing to take such risk of being back to this point after wasting another 700m overhaul spend with/on Amorim? You think money grows on trees?

Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is insanity.

Jamiuokolaa:
I know you are trolling..lol

why, are we playing like a club that will not be relegated soon?

nitrogen:
The doomsday scenario here does not make sense. This team was 3rd in the EPL two years ago. They won the FA cup last season. We should stop justifying rubbish abeg.

2 years ago...football is changing rapidly, even Pep is struggling, what worked 2 years ago might not work today.

nitrogen:
Something different like relegating and starting from scratch? I talk am!

Well if it takes relegation to get us back to playing good football and wining trophies, I will wait for that.

nitrogen:
Depends on the manager. Most managers at other clubs work with whatever tool they have temporarily or even parmanently. We man utd fans invented this concept of ‘giving a manager his own players’. Does not make sense.

Mention one manager that is performing with the tools (players), he has...then compare those set of tools with this current united tools (players).

Leyqute:
Let them start afresh and hire a new coach that after 5-10 games some people will swear has no taktiks.

lol, I believe by now it should be obvious to all that we should try something different...the experiment of changing managers has not worked for us so far.
Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is insanity.

larride:
The worst of Garnacho is way better than Bruno on the wings. You guys don’t comprehend how useless Bruno is on the wings.

Good performance breeds confidence and improvement...bad performance will do the opposite . If you want Garnacho to get better as a player, play him at his best. You can even throw in an academy player there, lol.

nitrogen:
Still cheaper to sack the manager vs changing the squad for him. We are talking 20m vs 150-200m.

Nitrogen, whichever manager you bring will want his own set of players. Leave sentiment, I believe that was why they hesitated in sacking ETH.
Whichever way they choose it will cost them,...the more they delay it or try to shortcut it, the bigger the cost.

The best is what they are currently doing...weed out the players gradually.

larride:
Immediately Garnacho entered we started having some semblance of attacking threats.

Amorim need to stop playing Bruno on the wings. Fucking play Garnacho there till the end of the season.

That experiment has been tried several times and it shows Garnacho does better coming from the bench.

afrodoc2:
Amorim is going to get sacked sooner or later, and it will most likely be sooner.

The money needed to improve the squad to the point Amorim can do anything with them is not available.

To terminate his contract, they also need money , and then money to hire a new coach...They won't go for an elite coach because they might not have the money for that...So they either stick with this experiment or start another one afresh. Either way, we will suffer for a long time.

afrodoc2:
Bruno played through pass towards his own goal in
Injury time. Something he has done before and cost us points.

Onana parried the ball down in front of his goal area. Something he has done before and cost us points.

Dalot allowed his man check back to his stronger foot and get a shot on target. Something he has done before and cost us points.

Maguire pulled back an opponent in the box. Something he has done before and cost us points.

All in the same sequence. They should just disband the club and build a shopping centre on the stadium’s site.

Most of this squad must leave, if not forget it...if you like bring Pep.