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eph12 and TrebleChamp, are you watching Beckham's documentary on Netflix?

Question:
assuming SAF was in this twitter era, do you think he would have been allowed 4 years of winning nothing, plus too strict coaching style?
p.s; no sentiment, just discussion.

kozmicity:
Was DDG the problem last season?

We said we needed midfielders and defenders, but everyone said it was DDG and once we replace him we'd play better.

We've replaced him and we're not playing better... I don't understand what reason you're looking for again. Or were you not here last season?

I don't do this, but I can bring receipts... Lots of it too.

kozmicity, go through my post and bring my receipts on DDG and Onana. I will wait

TrebleChamp:
A terrible goalkeeper will cause damage to a team like United who find it difficult to keep the ball and control games, Pep Barcelona or Ma city Team will do well with Onana like they did with Valdes and currently Elder son, because they always have more of possession and dominate games.
Manchester United is a counter attacking team......

Cool.

odizeey:
This question is coming one season late

Odizeey, I have always maintained that DDG should not be changed because that is not our priority, you can go through my posts last season.

Whichever keeper is used, I will always support that keeper.

TrebleChamp:
United have had countless terrible games where De Gea turned out the hero, a good goalkeeper will almost always keep his team in games with miraculous saves/performance. United should have gone for a better goalkeeper or keep Kovar as first choice...

- what is the longrun effect when the whole team is carried by their goal keeper?

- is there any successful club being carried by their goal keeper?

- what do we want? short term fix or long term fix?

TrebleChamp:
Nope, performance is shitty due to poor taktiks and terrible players management by Ten Hag. Am just saying he should give the other goalkeeper a chance, let's see if he is a good shot stopper who can also play out from the back. I saw Kovar in pre-season and i have watch some clips too, he looks a good shot stopper and very good with his feet.

I agree with you 100%.

But if Kovar is a better goal keeper, don't you think it will make us feel we are improving, simply because we are being saved by the goal keeper?

We are in this hole now because DDG was saving us last season (except his bad days), and at the other end Rashford was scoring goals.
No more individual brilliance, it's a short term fix but useless on the longrun.

what do you think?

Aside from those just trolling (lol, it's allowed)...

Is there anyone here that believes that our problem is from Onana (the goal keeper)?

Come forward with your thesis let's reason together.

TrebleChamp:
Is Onana better than Kovar United sold for peanut?
Ten Hag should give Bayindir a chance to show if he is good enough to be number 1.

Treble are you attributing Man U's sh!tty performance to poor goal keeping?

akwesenana:
We can still qualify. Beat Copenhagen home and away, beat Galatasaray and hope Bayern Munich win all their matches.

Why do we want to qualify?

I asked this same question last season, most people got me wrong.
We are still laying like sh1t, qualifying will only make it look like we are playing better.
It is better we are relegated, so we know we are playing like sh1t.

Making top 4 and coming to UCL playing like sh1t doesn't make sense to me.

nitrogen:
Man Utd is a successful business already. We just need to be pragmatic and avoid being emotional. If we sign a new manager today, the first season could be a bit okay, new manager is trying to instil his pattern of play, buying his players etc. Only top 4 finish is fine. But you see the second year, something spectacular has to happen. QF, SF of UCL, maybe top 2 at the minimum in the league and a cup. If it’s not happening, or we don’t at least slightly improve on the previous season’s performance, then we should sack and move on.

Today, we are worse with our signings. No evidence of the manager’s pattern or system, there is no sign, no sign at all that we will improve. A few more games, and we should be ready to decide without our emotions.

This your analysis sounds good theoretically...You know theory and practical are never the same.
how many clubs have succeeded using this model?
or which clubs are you drawing your model from?

eph12:
Lol we all know odizeey cost us last season. Now we've to start afresh again

Winning trophy was suppose to boost them but instead they started taking wee.d instead of training.

We are in for it now...

kozmicity:
He and Antony still have one more sesson to impress before the sack letter comes through... Na only inshallah we fit do.


E never they when DDG comot, but I already miss the fact that when defenders are in our box I can say to my brother based on the strikers position and pace... DDG will stop that ball. It's just like when AWB plays, you know it's almost impossible to go through that RB.


That confidence is gone.

lol

Onkoolos:
Boss this will never work for a stupid defender like dalot and Maguire Assuming bissaka can replace dalot we still fit manage the formation. We that we are suffering to keep clean sheet we go dey use 3 defender which 2 are useless

We use this instead

Dalot, Evans, varane, lindelof

Casemiro, Amrabat
Mount
Antony/Hannibal/fernades, Hojlund , gernacho.

That was what I was expecting that coconut head to use!!!

You are already 0-3 down!
Dalot, Evans lindelof 😁🏃‍♂️🏃‍♂️
Remove Mount, the fans here said ETH is not suppose to buy him.
Remove Antony/Fernades; your frontline is only Hannibal, Hojlund , gernacho. according to the arguments here.


And if there is any individual player error, who do we blame??

kozmicity:
Players.

No way, the manager has to go! 😂😁🤣

kozmicity:
I swear🤣🤣

Right now, I can't be pissed at man u now, I don shutdown any emotions wey I get, na only cruise remain.

Even if its a back 3 I won't start Martinez but I'd replace Maguire for Shaw. And I'll pick Maguire over Lindelof in a back three any day. Varane starts because he's definitely not getting benched and he's tall... We need to neutralize aerial threats as much as we can. Heck!! I'd start McTom over Lindelof in a back three.

Rashford should continue doing what he does as regards to shooting, but his dribbling can be better. Antony or Pellestri I'm good with... Its not as if their differences are much.

I no dey even watch una match again.
Just check scores after it has been played and watch highlight.

Abeg I have better things to do with my life.

kozmicity, with your formation;
What about when the players keep making individual errors to concede from game to game, who do we blame?
the players or the manager?

odizeey:
I nominate Christobam

ChristoBam, you've been summoned

kozmicity:
It won't... It looks suicidal, but it isn't. Casemiro and Amrabat do defensive duties, that's 5 players. We progress slowly and build play, nothing like counter whatever.

And like I said also, we defend the box and against crosses, unless we believe say Onana no go fit save shots from outside the box 18.

Not even implemented, yet the debate is on
Managers are really trying.

kozmicity:
How hard can it be to switch formation to 3-2-4-1?

Dalot-Varane-Maguire

Amrabat-Casemiro

Antony-Bruno-Hannibal-Rashford
Hojlund.


You can rotate the midfield as required. And when progressing, allow only Dalot go forward and Casemiro drop deep, you can rotate Bruno and Hannibal for Eriksen, Mount, Gore, Mainoo or even McTom.

Antony and Rashford play as wide forwards.

Or he just use a 3-4-3 box midfield with the same setup. On paper, this is the best way to get the best out of each player in their position.


Train our CB's to defend the box and crosses... Heck, you could even play a high line with it.

If Maguire plays and makes mistakes (which he will), who are we going to blame?
ETH of course. We the fans have trolled Maguire into oblivion, but I will still prefer Magiure to Lindalof.

How about Antony? DJ spinal? Fans prefer Pellistri to him

Rashford is already starting to lose confidence in his shooting. Very soon we will also start complaining he does not shot anymore.

Bruno? The debate here is that is he part of our problem and should be benched?

How about Varane? too rusty, sloppy, etc...

So virtually all our players are our problem, as stated by we the fans.
You see where I am going?

Am I saying they are playing well? Hell no!
But remember our players are also on social media...when we troll their confidence out, this is what we get...

In summary, let's troll our players with wisdom, they are all we've got.

eph12:
By now this team should even start attempting to pass in tight spaces, and closing down opponents passing channels so they’re forced to release the ball or go long. But we have none of that happening. Instead our midfield can just become express for no reason. What has ETH introduced to the team in one year that he has been here?

lol, last season was wasted trying to win a trophy for odizeey, so that the player's morale can be boosted.

p.s: odizeey, you know I am trolling here. Just laugh it off.

nitrogen:
Anything above[b] three years is long term[/b]. It doesn’t mean that we should keep an underperforming manager for three years, we get rid of such manager if there is no improvement. Also, it does not mean we should sack a performing manager after 3 years. If a manager does well in 2 out of 3 seasons, and we make top 4 and win Carabao cup in the third year, it’s not a sackable performance.

This should be the standard, heck even mid table teams get this. We are doing it, and it’s fine. Unfortunately some fans are not getting it, they are still trying to see if we can get another Fergie era.

Well nice point though.

Anyways I don't know how this football ish works but I believe it takes most successful businesses more than 3 years to even take off.

Patrickmuf1:
Why are you asking guys to mention options like there's none?

That is how you guys kept on asking people to mention options during the summer like they're no good players in the market yet other clubs keep getting them for half the price we use to sign overrated flops.

Now, you are back sounding like apart from ETH, there are no good coaches out there.

Pat, mention one good manager that is willing to take up the job at Man U now...

odizeey:
We can only talk here. United upper chambers members no dey here.

Or will you carry the suggestions to Uk

Yes we can only talk here. So talk; which manager do you recommend for Man U?

nitrogen:
I think that we are used to having a long term manager because of the Fergie era. Why have we not moved on, after more than a decade? Why can’t we keep firing managers until we get it? It’s looking like we made a mistake with ETH, he is obviously a rookie, what did Chelsea do to Potter after realizing their mistake?

If ETH can’t get his boys to win games, it might be a good time to move on! It is what it is!

how many years is long term for you nitrogen?

dreamxhaser:
Guys watch this Piers Morgan interview with Ibrahimovic and see the reason why we dey tell una say 10hag dey fvk up.

The guy no sabi manage United


https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMjm4njQE/

At this point, which coach do you recommend will save Man U?

Pointing out problems without recommending solution does no one any good.

andrewbaba44:
Maguire >>>> lindelof

100%.

eph12:
I'm watching Onana long balls during the match yesterday and probably all failed to meet the target or be anything useful. I can't fault the gk just like I couldn't fault DDG for this last season. We have people that are not ready to contest long balls in our team. Only Hojlund is currently trying to win those long balls.

As for if Onana has it in him to win matches for us, I seriously doubt that.

No individual player can help Man U at the moment. A collective synergy is required.

eph12:
And it will get worse if they don't get their act together. All three goals were avoidable. One mistake was enough but 3 mistakes? I know they can do better and should do better.

100%

Just for laugh: all of us would have piled the blame on DDG assuming he was still here.

Who is the best Goal keeper now that will save Man U and also defend for them? lol

Manchester United will continue to lose their match this season...until only God knows when.

Why do we keep watching their games, when we know it is going to make us unhappy after each loss?
Is it an addiction or we just can't help ourselves? lol

Onkoolos:
I watch Bellingham yesterday and I was crying for that Bruno fan boy 😭😭😭😭😭. Make he come learn what football is about. That Bruno fan boy should go and watch Napoli and Madrid match again is gonna learn something....

If Man U buys Bellingham today, he will flop like Sancho. 100%

eph12:
We did. Eriksen was a minus one

eph12 this Man U defense is gone!

eph12:
I wish they can release a video of what they do in training. At a point I was hoping they were not going to cross any more balls into crystal palace box. All the crosses were just off

🤣😂