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omonnakoda:
My purpose is not to engage you at all

You quoted tto talk about population density totality and instead of addressing that when called out you go off at a tangent ranting


I am not advancing the position of the Nort not higher in population.

If you do not understand simple English why are you quoting me

I am advancing the position that the North as we know it 19 states is actally higher in population.
Also I am saying that there is a difference between the North as we know in in Nigeria politically and geographially when some people try to make comparisons with other West AFrican countries and that when making such comparison it has to be geographical or they are not comparing like with like

Clearly you cannnot comprehend and are just here to waste my time and play silly billies. I really do not have time for you and your nonsense so please naff off and stop ridiculing yourself

You quoted me trying to show yourself and have failed to address that singular point and are trying to change the subject ,not interested so please bugger off

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Your rantings would only be valid if I am the only one you accused of lack of comprehension. You have run down everybody that seems to disagree with your flawed concepts, shifty arguments, positions and lack of understanding of locational theories, principles and spatial interactions.

This is my field, so there's nothing you can tell me about it.

omonnakoda:
So your pointt is you want to abuse me?
Let us take it in turn

first you said that I was confusing population total with density . I called you out on that instead of addressing that you are now calling me names

Can you deal with that issue first?
After that we can address the other things but you cannot start something and then change because you do not like how it is turning out
Hpw am I confusing density with total

First off, when you say this, are you abusing me?

omonnakoda:
You can see that you are empty
WHo is talking about regions or determining regions?

Secondly, I've addressed the issue of confusing population density with total population. Most of you who advance the proposition of the North not higher in population to the South are referring to population density. The only difference being here you're using a proxy to convey the same point.

omonnakoda:
I am sorry I cannot comprehend this post.

What is your point?

You started by quoting me saying I am confusing population density with total

I asked you to substantiate that and you cannot .
Instead you are ging off at a tangent.

What exactl are you saying here can you summarize because I really do not get your point

Omonnakoda you're being clever by half. You are also very shifty.

If you are trying to adduce reasons for why you think the South of Nigeria is more populated than the North just do so. Your creation of the phantom geographical North and the Desert to Coast population trend are only hypothetical. This is what you're not willing to accept.

Your division is not real, it does not exist and therefore cannot be a basis of analysis. And, if you are hypothesizing, you need data to support the claim, which you do not have.

Absolute locations, in geography or as you're trying to create are not for comparative purposes. They are purely locational and the analysis should be exclusive to your created geographical positions first.

omonnakoda:
It is a general statement that refers to population density? Where is the evidence for this?

That is what you believe.
There is no evidence whatsoever for this claim. You just made that up here

I never expressed solidarity one way or another with the claim rather I am interrogating it
How does that then translate to ME confusing population density with total population

You never expressed solidarity one way or another with the claim rather interrogating it by adducing reasons for their claim that your geographical South is more populated than the geographical North?

This was what you further said: "Those who make this argument are making a geographical argument

The geographical response is
Nigeria is not different

The geographical south in Nigeria is more populated than the geographical North because significant parts of the political North are geographically in the South.

omonnakoda:
You are changing the subject please answer the question and stop waffling

How am I confusing population density with total population?

Do you accept that that emboldened claim is wrong? If not can you demonstrate it?

You said: "Often it is said that across West Africa the population across the South is higher and why is Nigeria's different?"

This is a general statement that refers to population density. It does not necessarily translate to higher number of people in a region. Total population refers to all people in a given region while density is concentration as a factor of landmass.

omonnakoda:
Kindly explain how I am confusing the two I genuinely would like to learn

Please show the the quote that is "confused"

You cannot talk about Nigeria without being political, because it is a political creation.

Your concept of drawing lines (geographically) as basis for determining regions is flawed. Nowhere was that the sole criteria and hardly is it applicable. Even the French who tried to follow coordinates when delineating regions have to contend with other physical and social factors.

What you're trying to do is almost impossible. If you're trying to say the South is more populated than the North using your criterion, then it does not make sense, at least not in the context of Nigeria, which is purely a political creation.

Your South, North has no meaning because it is based on exclusiveness. The whole of Nigeria can be regarded as North if you take the geographical equator as a base, but geography is purely for location, the moment you start talking of countries then politics is more of the thing.

omonnakoda:
No in geography you draw a line through the middle anything above is "North" and below is "south"

The purpose of this thread is "geography" to address the claims that the population figures are rigged.
I do not believe that is the case

Often it is said that across West Africa the population across the South is higher and why is Nigeria's different?
Those who make this argument are making a geographical argument

The geographical response is
Nigeria is not different

The geographical south in Nigeria is more populated than the geographical North because significant parts of the political North are geographically in the South
e.g Oyo is more "North" than Kogi or Benue.

In geography Norh South divide presupposes an "EQUATOR" ie equal on both sides so from a PURELY geographical perspective the South is more populated and we cannot argue that the population figures are rigged on those grounds
That is the point of this thread so please try to understand it thoroughly

All that talk of our fathers marryin 10 wives is irrelevant

If you divide Nigeria into two equal land masses North and South then there are more people in the Southern part. WHY

You're confusing population density with total population. Places with higher purpose economic activities and restrictive landmass tend to have higher population densities which in most cases hardly translate to higher population.

winj3:
You must be a semi-illiterate if you could not understand what I wrote...

You alleged that the Fulani are not only semi-illiterates but are also powerful and privileged, and I ask: What are you if a semi-illiterate seem smarter and more powerful than you?

winj3:
Your attempts to rewrite history and distort the current dynamics at play in Nigeria will not work, the Fulanis capitalize on the disunity of other Nigerian tribes in their acquisition of massive wealth and political influence- How a semi literate, sick Fulani herdsman emerged president in a country with so much potential like Nigeria is living proof.

How my school mates, colleagues and peer group of Fulani extraction managed to gain admissions into schools, colleges, military institutions and appointments... not based on merit is proof of that.

siege?
Go ask the Fulani terrorists why they operate with impunity and why the presidency, military and security services are reluctant to stop their excesses.

What are you if you alleged that semi-illiterates are smarter than you?

winj3:
Let me be blunt, it is not just the Fulani herdsmen that are terrorists, the Fulani hegemony is by and large a terror organization inflicting terrible damage in human cost, economic and social-political catastrophe on Nigerians! Any attempt to whitewash it is naive and docile.

All my childhood and into maturity, from the fulani military officers coming to our house, to the fulani politicians I encountered, to the fulani herdsman I met growing up there is a sense of entitlement that meant the lives of other Nigerians and their property can be sacrificed anytime for their own benefit.

Buhari is a small fish in the Fulani Hegemony, he cannot declare war on Fulani herdsmen and terrorists and he will not openly disparage them - so yes he is part of the terrorism and he knows it!

The fulani have been known to give Nigeria a taste of their power and influence in Nigeria (especially during the and after the presidency of a southerner).

If you need the guidebook of how Fulanis operate in every sector of Nigeria let me know and I will draw it down for you. The Fulani herdsman is essentially a soldiers of the Fulani hegemony and even Buhari cannot rid them of their weapons and daily killing spree.

There it is - the fear of the Fulani I referred earlier that colour most labellings and discourses.

There's always one thing or the other to blame for one's perceived lack of headway. It is either the Fulani, the Fulani hegemony, the Sokoto caliphate, Hausa, Hausa-Fulani, the North or Islam.

If you proceed from the view and admitted the superiority of the Fulani - militarily and politically - there's nothing you can do but to live with that siege mentality.

The only charlatan we know is Wendell Simlin.

You are the king of charlatans when the likes of FFK calls you a liar, insincere, disrectful, insolent, dishonest, etc.

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Here's a chatter between Omokri and FFK. I consider FFK in the same way I view Omokri, but here he gave the lie to his being a 'bestselling' author:

Omokri: Look, Femi, you lied. Deal with it. I will not follow you into the gutter. I don’t need to suck up to Atiku. I made a fortune in US dollars from just one bestseller. I suck up to the truth not to men! You told a lie. Fess up to your lie.

FFK: The issue is the fact that you are wrong and I am right. You are disrespectful, insolent and more dishonest and insincere than anyone else. Remember the fake Wendell Simlin handle you used to attack others on Twitter? What could be more dishonest and cowardly than that? You don’t have to get into the gutter because you were born in it and you never left. That is where you were born and that is where you will die. You say you made a fortune? Is the little change you have what you call a fortune? And how did you make that fortune? From working as a Pastor or working as an informant for the CIA?

https://opera.pulse.ng/news/politics/the-moment-fani-kayode-and-reno-insulted-themselves-on-twitter-id8138487.html

Onliie:
What will everyday criminal gain from setting rice farm ablaze

In the same vein, if those alleged were herdsmen, what would they gain by setting the farm ablaze? Don't you think they lose more, since their livestock won't have anything to feed from the remains in the farm?

zombieTRACKER:
Boko Haram is busy chasing people away from borno.. Military are complaining about lack of weapons... That's after Buhari withdrew one billion dollars from ECA

What is more evil than that..

Even with the setbacks, I will give you one assignment:

If you have a friend/relative in those areas, call him/her for assessment between GEJ's PDP times and now?

Don't be here writing partisan stories you can't defend, try and be balanced and report what obtains.

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winj3:
Most reporting of herdsmen come from people who are the victims and witnesses, why don't you go there and physically verify otherwise!

The victims of fulani herdsmen know who the attackers are since they have lived side by side these people until the "troubles" started.

Do not rubbish the demise of others for your own narrow minded idiocy!

I live in northern Nigeria and know something about the Fulani and Fulani-farmer clashes. It has always been a problem even before we were born. My father, before his demise was a farmer, and we've suffered clashes with Fulani men invading farms before the time set for them to enter and feed on farm remains was due. There has always been traditional means of adjudication between the contending parties, and the Fulani, if at fault were fined and given appropriate punishments. But to have levelled the Fulani as the troublemakers in all the fracas, and a call by some to label them [a tribe and their livelihood] as terrorists is what we are not able to understand.

The question is, why is it so much a problem now?

It became so much a problem because those reporting these skirmishes have inbuilt fear and maybe a dislike of the Fulani. They also may not have lived with the Fulani enough to know them, or diminishing resources and ethnic jingoism could be at fault. To some extent, the government's lack of decisiveness in terms of proactive laws and punishments is a factor. The problem became a national disaster with the onset of democracy, made worse by those who would do anything to discredit the government of Buhari, a Fulani man.

zombieTRACKER:
Don't go about defending evil on the forum

How dare a PDP supporter call someone evil. There's so much evil in PDP that I wonder whether you guys have conscience.

JeogahII:
Are you part of the "political herdsmen"?

Are you an FFK or Omokri fan, or part of their new generation brought-ups with no sense of history and balance?

wanger50:
But you and I know that worser atrocities are committed by this same herdsmen in other states around the north central. Hope you haven't forgotten the burning down of Afoloyan's farm in Kwara too,which was even bigger than this.We must not politicise everything

Politicised it has been. There's always a phobic fear of the Fulani in Nigeria, made worse by the dislike of Buhari and the imagined powers of what you call the Caliphate.

Hmm, no wonder they call them Atikuliars

It seems there are no criminals in Middle belt now; cos every evil act is attributed to the political herdsmen.

BanevsJoker:
Why is he riding an SUV? Have horses, camels and donkeys gone extinct? What rubbish culture?

You could as well adopt open and same-sex marriages if everything Western looks better for you.

Besides, is discovery, technology, invention and science originated and restricted to Western culture?

McKren:
GUYS HERE GOES ANOTHER VERSION OF THE 53 SUITCASE SCANDAL OF 1984 TOLD BY ONE OF THE ACTORS AT THE TIME MUSTAPHA JOKOLO, THE THEN ADC TO BUHARI AND SON OF EMIR OF GWANDU, IN AN INTERVIEW WITH THE SUN.

Here are the excerpts:

Let’s talk about the controversial 53 suit cases you claimed for your father, the then Emir of Gwandu, in 1984. What is your version of the story?
I have said several times in the last twenty something years that I was innocent of everything. Now, it has turned round that somebody like Prof. Wole Soyinka wrote a book saying that I was smarter than Vice President Atiku. It was wrong of Wole Soyinka to say it happened in Kano. Look, in 1984, my father traveled to London for medical check up. He had an entourage of about 13 people. After his operation, he moved to Saudi Arabia for Umrah, the lesser hajj. On his way back, he was on the same flight with Ambassador Dahiru Waziri who was the Ambassador to Saudi Arabia for six years.

He was appointed State Chief of Protocol and so, was moving back with his entire family. So, he decided to come with them on the same aircraft. Around that time, there was currency change because of the poor economy of the country and the naira was all over the place. We had no control over our economy. The government planned a secret operation to change the colour of the currency. All borders were closed and that was the time when this aircraft was landing. When it came in, I remember we were about to play squash with Buhari, Idiagbon and others.

Then Buhari asked me if my father was not coming back that day. I said ‘Yes sir, we have already sent people to bring him back’. He said ‘Are you not going to receive him?’ I said ‘No sir’ and he said I should go and receive him. He gave me orders to go and receive him.
So, I asked Captain Maitama who was the Commander of the Brigade of Guard to accompany me. So, two of us drove to the Murtala Mohammed International Airport, Lagos. While there, I saw some officers who were going on course to the United States. Colonel Walbe was the one who arranged that course.

While we were there, I was told that the aircraft had landed and was also told that they had some problems at the baggage area. When I went with Captain Maitama, I saw some Customs officers with some of our people and I asked what the problem was. They said that the Customs said that they were not allowed to check the luggage. I asked why, every luggage here should be checked. They said those ones on the ground had been checked, but that there were some that were taken away from the aircraft itself in a truck direct from the State House without coming through the customs area. I said whose luggage were they and they said it belong to State Protocol.

One ASP Saidu Gella who also was from Adamawa state like the Chief of Protocol was the Luggage officer in the State House. He was the one who went with Maigari to collect the luggage direct from the aircraft without coming through the Customs. I said ‘Is there anyway you can call them?’ Unfortunately, we do not have the mobile telephone at that time. I asked if they had walkie talkie and the said they had none.

So, I said I was not here for him and asked if they had cleared these ones and he said they had cleared them. ‘Can we go?’ and they said ‘You can go’. I swear to Almighty Allah, if there is anything other than this, may God strike me dead. May he not forgive me my sins. That was all that I knew about all that happened. The following day, we read in the newspapers that there were 35 suit cases that passed through Customs without clearance.

The Emir did not come with 35 suit cases. It was the Chief of Protocol, Dahiru Waziri, whose luggage were taken away from the aircraft straight to his house without going through customs. The Emir’s baggage were not more than 12. All of them had one piece each because they had landed them there. Whatever shopping they did before, they transported them from London in an aircraft and they received them. So, we had cleared their luggage before. At this time, they were in London when there was this ban. When they finished, before they left, there was this border closure.

They had nothing to do with the 35 suit cases. When we cleared their luggage, they had not closed the border and so, they came with single baggage of their dresses. We did not allow what was going on. Then, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar, the present Vice President was Area Administrator at the Murtala Mohammed International Airport. He was the one who came on air to say it was an Emir from the North who brought not 35, but 53 suit cases. Onalaope Soleye was the Finance Minister. To date that I am talking to you, nobody has asked me to answer anything.

I think there was power play at that time and there were many interest groups. There were people who were trying to bring Buhari down. Buhari’s half brother was on the Emir’s entourage who was father to Alhaji Mamman, same mother with Buhari. People knew about it. So, he was the target. Then, they started mentioning the Emir of Daura, but it was Buhari’s brother who was in the group. Now, Ambassador Dahiru Waziri was colleague to Ambassador Rafindadi who was the Director General of NSO. On their own part, they were trying to cover the Ambassador.

Another angle to it was that Atiku was aiming to be Director of Customs, while Abubakar Musa was Director of Customs. If he was painted in bad light, if Atiku presented himself as the champion of the discovery, Abubakar Musa being from Sokoto, would be painted black and possibly he would be removed and automatically, Atiku would be made Director of Customs. So, you see, there were three interest groups. One, people who are trying to paint Buhari black by referring to the Emir of Daura in the accusation. There was a mention of the Emir of Daura, but they knew it was Buhari’s brother, but they didn’t have the courage to mention Buhari’s brother, Alhaji Dauda. There are people like Atiku who were out to get the Director of Customs and there was Rafindadi, the Director General of NSO who was trying to protect his own friend, the State Chief of Protocol whom he brought to Buhari.

He never knew State Chief of Protocol and since I was there, my father was not the victim, but me. To get access to Buhari, they had to get me first. This is all part of power play and the whole thing was like that. It was being sponsored within the military itself. For example, when Chief Awolowo’s house was searched, Buhari never knew about it. He read it on the pages of newspapers. It was carried out by a group of military officers who arranged for Chief Awolowo’s house to be searched. They knew Buhari would not come out to say ‘I didn’t order it’. So, it was power play and I had no opportunity to defend myself because I was not allowed to speak.

This version seems authentic than the others.

Desperate PDP mocking our culture.

semyman:
Ayekooto Akindele wrote…

～ If those who removed Buhari from power in 1985 knew he would ever come back, they would have killed him like Balewa, Ironsi or Murtala. They never imagined there would ever be a Buhari Presidency... they spotted a likely emergence of Idiagbon, they poisoned him immediately... lol. Not funny actually.

They thought Buhari Ambition would be a lifetime joke but when they saw the reality in 2014, they organized assassins to kill him in Kaduna his beloved city, he is from Katsina but based in Kaduna. Just like they killed Bola Ige in Ibadan his beloved city, he was from Esa Oke but based in Ibadan. However, Buhari escaped but his car was shot many times and convoy bombed!!!

Buhari defeated the combination of his destiny truncators. Just like MOSES too, if the Egyptians knew he would free their slaves, they would have killed him inside the palace when he was a baby.

Even as the President, Buhari was poisoned, those who poisoned him knew he couldn't have survived because others like Abiola, Abacha, Idiagbon didn't survive. The mystery of his survival has turned the reasoning of his assailants upside down. The Buhari they know is dead. Just like MOSES was different when he reappeared to the Egyptians. He wasn't running away again, he called Pharaoh by name, he messed up all the Dubai Magicians of Egypt...Moses was the First Jubrin from Sudan!!!

2019 is sealed because the Egyptians must contest with Moses, Moses did not die and Moses has taken up the challenge to ensure that the oppressed people of God remain free!!!

Hmm, this is really metaphysical. You so much understand the workings of the spiritual realm and the materialists and the Atikulators will never touch this phenomenon in a thousand lifetime. They can't understand why we stick with this man. So much has been thrown to him but God must be saving him for a purpose.

take a million likes for this.

PDP and lying are Siamese twins.

Binikingdowm:
the same gombe abi?

Atiku's "Nigeria" was greeted with "Sai Buhari" in Gombe, the video was there if you didn't see.

Back to your Akwa Ibom, the pictures you presented didn't represent what obtained. You showed only a particular angle to rhyme with your point but left areas where thousands of supporters converged.

The Gombe pictures you presented to buttress Atiku's crowd too highlight angle where a little crowd converged while avoiding the empty spaces

Shows this is not his stronghold, but still better than Atiku who was greeted with "Sai Baba" in Gombe (North East).

franchasng:
So called northern youths they always use, are no longer happy with them

Dan iska, buru ubanka shege

Oga that car you used misrepresented your narration. It wasn't damaged by any northern youth as you'd want to portray but was involved in an accident.

What about the identity thievery hanging on your neck, is that a success too?

Coloradvantage:
it is pathetic some of you don't want to make use of your brain. the truth is going to be all open for us all to see. whether we are going to have a country to callnigeria with this foolish attitude of ours. serious allegation this fool is trying to wave it off with joke.

You call Atiku's conjectures serious allegation; a man whose propensity to lying as pointed out by his boss knows no bound.

This is a man who uses the plight of soldiers whose life has been cut short in service to their fatherland to secure cheap political points.

'I had cause to call Ibrahim's ... widow,' is to you the type of serious discourse in Atikuland.

netpro:
It was all a frozen lies packaged and forced down the throats of wailers.

Peter Obi is anything that will make him donate to the failed Atiku campaign. He did not aspire to be VP. He is just in it for the ride.

Yet another own goal. He might be stingy as alleged, 'member his fracas with Mbaka on a matter as straihtforward as donation, which led to the Rev. seeking spiritual definition of the Atiku/Obi project. Mbaka came with a damning report that Atiku/Obi have been rejected not only in the temporal but also in the spiritual realm.

Maybe that's why Obi is reluctant to invest in the scheme: What he's seeing are his money going down the drain.

socialmediaman:
So you believe that people who are alleged to be ‘corrupt’ are also achievers? Compare Atiku’s Vice Presidency in his first term with any other Vice President after him, the difference is clear!

cc: FarahAideed, MalcoImX

The best VP we've had so far is Osinbajo, followed by GEJ, Namadi Sambo and Atiku. GEJ and Namadi are better than Atiku in that though docile and ineffective but did not pose a threat to their masters and the national economy. Atiku supervised a sale of national assets which more or less could be termed booty sharing and is the most subterranean ad disloyal of the lot. Just as Buhai said, were the system really fuctional, Atiku would have been in jail.