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AlmuFty01:
Why you resulted in muddy issues. If not all my previous post definitely one had explained this to the fullest.
If Allah didn't love us would he spare you on earth? Will He provides all your needs, in fact all Muslims found saying; بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم. Meaning : In the name of Allah the most beneficent the most merciful. The beneficent there means, whether you worship Him or not, you keep on His warnings or not as long as you remain on earth He will always provides you need that just the reason for the sun to shine on all of us, rain fall for all and likewise other provisions without restrictions on a nation or race, group of people or individual simply because they are apostasy.
So it requires your personal dedication to just look at how we Muslim always passionate about the attitude of some people even the Muslims by name when they are committing all sort of artirocities and do our best to correct that just as am doing now.
Had you aware of intense sine anyone found taken Quran for joke? You will always love to do serious research before taking a stand.

what you are saying here is, Allah love everybody, among the everybody he hate ONLY the unbelievers, am I right ?

OLAJADON:
you are very good at fabricating hadith where did you get this again....i have hadith book ooooo....u better have a good prove.

so sahih bukari hadith is fabricated ?

AlmuFty01:
Explain the love of jesus to the unbelievers (as the case may be or those who doesn't believe in him)
Mind you, is there written in Bible that no sinner will go unpunished.
Can you explain how this goes contrary to what I am explaining from Quran

ask yourself,if God hate the unbeliever, how will he repent ? In the bible, God first Love us before we Love Him.

Matthew 5:43-48New International
Version (NIV)
Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and
pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what
reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

1 Timothy 1:15
Here is a trustworthy saying that
deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus
came into the world to save sinners--of
whom I am the worst.

golpen:
If I won't take it literally, the meaning should be what is similar to the statement. Stop now!

and when the bible say "God refresh" what is similar to this ? The book of isaiah say God never get wary. The Hebrew word for refresh is nepash meaning breath or to refresh oneself. God was refresh in the sense that He created the universe and saw it was Good ( breath and refresh oneself) call it good.

Just as you love-vendor your old car , and saw it afar off, take a breath (nepash) and saw the car was Good (refresh oneself)

The same argument can be use here:

the say "HOW CAN GOD HAVE A SON
WITHOUT A CONSORT ? ". Yet Mary
had a son without a consort. If Mary
could produce a son without a husband,why would it be impossible for the Almighty Creator to produce a son without a wife?

OLAJADON:
u just confirmed their is nothing in your head, where in the Quran is it stated that mohammed is in hell.

when last you pick up the quran and read ?

Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable
decree of YOUR Lord that every one of
YOU will be taken to HELL.”

And the next verse say :

Surah 19:72: “Then (Thumma) We
shall RESCUE those who kept from evil,
and LEAVE the evil-doers crouching
there.” (Pickthall)

The word “THEN” (Thumma) used in this
verse exemplify that there is a
chronological order of events. FIRST the
entry into HELL. “THEN” being saved from it. Note the wordings of Surah 19:72: “We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.” You only “rescue” someone who is in some kind of danger. However, this rescue operation will only take place on “Judgment Day.”

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0349:
“They (the angels) would RECOGNIZED THEM IN THE FIRE BY MARKS OF PROSTRATION , for Hell-fire will devour
everything (limb) of the sons of Adam except the marks of prostration. Allah has forbidden the fire to consume the marks of prostration. They will be taken out of the Fire having been burnt …”

It is only the muslims who have this prostration marks.

golpen:
Will you stop gibberish trash? Now let's look at the meaning of metaphors.

A metaphor is a figure of
speech that identifies
something as being the same
as some unrelated thing for
rhetorical effect, thus
highlighting the similarities
between the two.

So how is 'refreshed' similar to being pleased? Did you go to school at all?

See, if you don't have anything meaningful to say, park well abeg.

hahaha, this is hilarious. Jesus say I am the vine and you are the branch. I guess you will take this verse literally, right ?

AlmuFty01:
Go to my last post you will find the reasons therein

alright, Allah does not love the unbelievers to whatever the reason may be, one thing for sure, Allah love is NOT unconditional.

golpen:
In as much as I thought to laugh at your manipulation again, I lost it out of pity for you. Let's use the same system you used for defining Sabbath. Refresh here in English means;

Simple Definition of REFRESH
:
to make (someone) have more energy and
feel less tired or less hot
:
to give someone more of (a drink) : to fill
(someone's glass, cup, etc.) again

computers : to put (something, such as a
page on the Internet) into a computer's
memory again in order to show any new
information : to cause an updated version
of (something, such as an Internet page)
to appear on a computer screen

Which of these definitions match with 'being pleased'?
I feel deep pity for you and the blasphemy your book put you into, which you try to cover for by every means, crook or cook. I pity you and I'm out of this with you.

Seek the truth and stop being dogmatic over doesn't satisfy your curiosity.

do you know the meaning of metaphors ? (personification) God use metaphors many times in the bible when referring to Himself. you should recognized the metaphors in eating and drinking " "I swallowed his story 'or' I swallow my pride" metaphors are more common in our speech than we might first think. Let me give you an example;

Isaiah 28:8. He says:
" For all the tables, are full with vomit and filthiness, so there is no place clean."

This verse is referring to the same metaphor of eating that Jesus uses so many times. It means that all the tables, which are places for eating, contains
fouled food, not wholesome "bread," which means, "the word, truth". It means, there is no knowledge on the table that is clean to "feast upon," that all of "the bread" of God that should
be there has been fouled by men. God's truths have been turned into what the philosophies of men turn "bread" into vomit and excrement, metaphorically of course.

Now let us extend this teaching a little further;

Hosea 14:5
I will be to Israel like a refreshing dew
from heaven. Israel will blossom like the
lily; it will send roots deep into the soil
like the cedars in Lebanon.

What this verse is saying is that , The graces of the Spirit are the hidden manna, hidden in the dew; the grace thus freely bestowed on them shall not be in vain. They shall grow upward, and be more flourishing; shall grow as the lily. The lily, when come to its height, is a lovely flower.

So when God was refresh, The expression, was refreshed, is spoken after the manner of men. It seems to signify that delight and complacency with which God surveyed all his works, and pronounced them good, Genesis 1:31.

If you cannot understand this, am sorry, you need to open your mind for spiritual truth, spiritual truth is hard to discern in muslims, even the quran use metaphor anthropomorphism: which I believe only few muslims know this, even the quran went even further to say "HOW CAN GOD HAVE A SON WITHOUT A CONSORT ? ". Yet Mary had a son without a consort.If Mary could produce a son without a husband, why would it be impossible for the Almighty Creator to produce a son without a wife?

AlmuFty01:
Allah does not love the unbelievers due to obvious reasons.

what are the reason ?

DeathStroke007:
how will you learn? open your eyes and brains. go read Quran 2:222 again..

muhammed keep on breaking the command allah gave in the quran, he even command you muslims to obey him and allah.

golpen:
Heheheh he... This man is a clown

We have left Sabbath, rest and the Hebrew meaning. What of 'REFRESHED'? That's the question. Simply say you don't know, or that your book has left you confused. I won't condone lies in any form from you any longer.

you fail woefully. The Bible indicates that the seventh day is not closed. In all other days the text says, "there is the evening and the morning, the n day." There is no such closing for the seventh day. God was "refreshed" in the sense that he was pleased how he had created the world (and established the idea of a sabbath rest). Perhaps this
anthropomorphism is prescriptive of how the Jews were to respond to a Sabbath day.

malvisguy212:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8,
Number 427:
Narrated ‘Aisha and ‘Abdullah bin
‘Abbas: When the last moment of
the life of Allah’s Apostle came he
started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his
face and when he felt hot and short
of breath he took it off his face and
said , “May Allah CURSE the Jews and
Christians for THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .”

even in his dying breath, uttered curses. Please recall Muhammad’s reason for cursing the Jews and the Christians. He said, “FOR THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” We will now address this accusation of Muhammad. We will look at the facts recorded in the Bible.

Moses and Jesus ,they are very important to the Jews, Moses to Judaism and Jesus to Christianity. As stated in Deuteronomy 34:5-6, God himself buried Moses to an undisclosed place and to Jesus,God removed His body. committing. Meaning it prevented both christians and Jews from being enticed to make pilgrimages or pay homage to such sites. It protected them from creature-worship. In contrast, what did the Muslims do with Muhammad’s tomb after his death? Muslims built a mosque on his tomb. His grave became a place for Muslim pilgrims to visit in Medina annually. The Prophet’s tomb at Medina is, after Mecca, the site most venerated by Muslims. It is visited with reverence in the hearts of the faithful. Ironically, these Muslims fell into the very class of people, upon whom Muhammad beseeched Allah’s curse.

Unlike Jehovah, Allah did not have the
wisdom or the insight to prevent the
causes that could lead to creature-
worship among his worshippers.

The 12th century work by Qadi Iyad is
highly accepted throughout the Muslim
world. Al-Qadi Iyadibn Musa al-Yahsubi
(1083 C.E.-1149 C.E.) wrote in his book
Al-Shifa’:

“Visiting his grave is part of the Sunna
and is both excellent and desirable.
Ibn `Umar said that the Prophet said,
‘My shafa’at (intercession on the
Day of Qiyamah) is Waajib
(incumbent upon me to intercede)
FOR THE ONE WHO VISIT MY GRAVE.’”

still NO response to the op ? No answer, NO doubt, muhammed lied against christians and Jews.

golpen:
Then why does God need to be refreshed? Oya scratch your head again.

check the meaning of the Hebrew word. Even primary school children know words don't have one meaning, to know the original meaning of the word use in that verse, is to study the context. Its about Sabbath day of rest, the Sabbath is for man.

golpen:
That question of 'sign between' who and who is for you and your bishops to figure out. But resting helps to refresh and your bible has clearly stated it black and white. Don't drag this too far, you won't survive it.

If Jesus says that which you quote, he is right definitely. God doesn't need to rest because he's never tired. He doesn't need to be refreshed, because He is all absolute. Sleep catches him not, neither does slumber overcomes Him. It is your book and your church that cook up blasphemy.

what is wrong with you guys ? Is this how you explained your book ? Listen, the Sabbath is a day of rest,and it is a sign between God and man, the Sabbath was made for man and Not man for the Sabbath.

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not
heard? The Everlasting God, the
LORD, the Creator of the ends of the
earth Does not become weary or
tired. His understanding is
inscrutable.

DeathStroke007:
Quran 2:222


222. They ask you concerning menstruation. Say: that is an Adha (a harmful thing for a husband to have a sexual intercourse with his wife while she is having her menses), therefore keep away from women during menses and go not unto them till they have purified (from menses and have taken a bath). And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah has ordained for you (go in unto them in any manner as long as it is in their vagina). Truly, Allah loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves (by taking a bath and cleaning and washing thoroughly their private parts, bodies, for their prayers, etc.).




now, this hadith you quoted...


Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath
from a single pot while we were
Junub. DURING THE MENSES , he used
to order me to put on an Izar (dress
worn below the waist) and used to
FO*NDLE ME. While in Itikaf, he used to
bring his head near me and I would
wash it while I used to be in my
periods (menses). (Sahih al-Bukhari,
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298)



IS BATHING TOGETHER SAME AS HAVING SEX?

WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THE INTERPRETATION OF handle, SHE SAID, HE USED TO ORDER ME TO PUT ON IZAR. A DRESS WORN BELOW THE WAIST (SKIRT OR LET'S SAY CLOTH TO COVER HER PRIVATE PART).... THIS TYPICALLY MEANS HE INTENDS NOT TO HAVE SEX WITH HER.. AND HE NEVER HAD SEX WITH HER DURING HER PERIOD.




handle MEANS TOUCH GENTLY IN A LOVELY WAY...





ACCORDING TO THE QURAN 2:22 "ALL THIS VERSE IS SAYING IS DO NOT HAVE SEX WITH YOUR WIVES WHEN THEY ARE ON THEIR PERIOD OR MENSES "









IF YOU ARE NOT BLINDED BY HATRED, ORDINARY GOING OVER THE LIES YOU POSTED, YOU WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT...


HATRED WILL ONLY KEEP YOU LOST.. DEBATE WITH OPEN MIND.. DO NOT HATE BUT UNDERSTAND...


ALWAYS CROSS CHECK ANYTHING BEFORE YOU POST IT.. SHEY YOU HEAR..

nonsense!! The quranic verse say "keep away from woman during menstruation" what does that imply ? Muhammed FO*NDLE his wife. What does this imply ?

golpen:
Hehehe! funny christians!!

After being thrashed with the meaning of the Hebrew word, you try to device another escape means. But you'll keep shooting yourself, and keep sulking over the blasphemy your book has put you through. I'm so sorry for you brother, may Allah help you. You and your people resolve to spiritual explanations you yourselves don't get to understand ever! Then, What is the relationship between 'rest and refreshed'? O tu n p'aro.

All the questions you've asked has been answered by me and you've been directed to open another thread for further questions aside the one here. Thanks.

you are very funny, you know the meaning of rest and refresh but you don't understand "SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISREAL ". What was the sign All about ? Even Jesus say the Sabbath is NOT made for God. This perfectly answer your question.

OLAJADON:
i think you wasting your time trying to convince him, i tried it it was to no avail
just leave him let him walk to hell if he wants... i pray he does not regret it on the day of questioning.

and muhammed is in heaven or hell ? Even the quran testify, muhammed is in HELL awaiting judgment. What will become of his slaves ?

golpen:
See brother your gibberish can only fool gullible christians, not me, a Muslim rightly guided by Islam and also a student of comparative religion.

Let me school you a bit brother before you spew trash here;

First is, sabbath as you have mentioned is used in terms of days. What is that day meant for? Rest! My brother, rest. In Christianity, this is in line with the fact that man is in God's image, man also rests like He did. Why are you lying brother?

Second is, when a word has different meaning, you choose the meaning that best suits that particular sentence or situation. From your dictionary meaning, the word 'rest' is still part of it and you're still blabbering. Which phrase of all that you listed goes well with the word 'refresh'? It is rest that makes you refreshed my brother, don't lie.
. Your book has put you in serious trouble, won't you turn to the truth? The more you see people to try to put you through, the more trouble you'll have facing Allah, the Lord of the world's. Turn to the truth and it shall set you free.

that is why I say, its beyond yourr knowledge, your canal mind cannot understand. When the verse say " SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISREAL " what is the significant of it ? Is a forestshadowing event of how we will enter God rest. Spiritual things are difficult for you muslims to understand because muhammed himself couldn't discern it.

Still waiting for my unanswered questions to be answered.

AlmuFty01:
Quote the verses, you can just allege without evidence now

allah love those who do good deed and the believers but hate the sinners, the quran clearly say so.

Qur’an 3:31-32—Say [O
Muhammad]: If you love Allah, then
follow me, Allah will love you and
forgive you your faults, and Allah is
Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah
and the Apostle; but if they turn
back, then surely Allah does not
love the unbelievers.

Qur’an 30:43-45—Then turn thy
face straight to the right religion
before there come from Allah the
day which cannot be averted; on
that day they shall become
separated. Whoever disbelieves, he
shall be responsible for his
disbelief, and whoever does good,
they prepare (good) for their own
souls, that He may reward those
who believe and do good out of His
grace; surely He does not love the
unbelievers.

Any explanation apart from this is contradiction.

DeathStroke007:
if you can't prove it.. you are a bloody hypocrite and a disgrace to your fellow Christians

1.Why would Allah allow Muhammad to
have at least twelve wives besides
concubines at the same time, and then
command that Muslim men have no
more than four?
2.The Quran expressly prohibits a man
from approaching his wife during her
monthly cycle:
Surah 2:222
They will question thee concerning
the monthly course. Say: 'It is hurt; so
go apart from women during the
monthly course, and DO NOT APPROACH THEM TILL THEY ARE CLEAN.
When they have cleansed themselves, then come unto them as God has commanded you .' Truly, God loves those who repent, and He loves those who cleanse themselves.

YET muhammed disobey this command:

Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath
from a single pot while we were
Junub. DURING THE MENSES , he used
to order me to put on an Izar (dress
worn below the waist) and used to
FO*NDLE ME. While in Itikaf, he used to
bring his head near me and I would
wash it while I used to be in my
periods (menses). (Sahih al-Bukhari,
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298)

Why was Muhammad made an exception? Are Allah’s revealed messages not applicable for him? Why is Muhammad the only prophet who did not live up to the very messages he delivered? Soo many questions need to be ask, but this few will do for now.

golpen:
Sorry I didn't see this before now... But why are you lying again my brother? It's okay to be ashamed of the mess your religion put you into, but don't degrade yourself by lying again.

The Bible says in the Book of Exodus, Chatper
31, Verse 17...

It is a sign between me and the children of
Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made
heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he
rested, and was refreshed. .

This is your bible saying the trash, but you attribute it to me. Okay you can remind your 419 bible reviewers to change it.... Lol

I said check the Hebrew word for rest. The Hebrew word, shabath, translated "rest" does not really refer to a requirement to sleep or take a break due to weariness. see Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions
NASB
H7673a. shabath, [991d]; a prim. root;
to cease, desist, rest:-- brought to an
end (1), cease (21), ceased (7), ceases
(3), did away (2), disappear (1), do
away (1), eliminate (3), gone (1), hear
no more (1), lacking (1), left without
(1), made an end (1), make an end (1),
observe (2), put a stop (3), put an end
(3), puts an end (1), remove (2),
removed (1), rest (4), rested (3),
silence (1), stop (2), stopped (1).

I know this teaching is bigger than your understanding, I will just enlightened you for the purpose of the viewers.

Exodus,Chatper 31, Verse 17...
It is a SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISREAL for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. .

One of the main purpose of creation is the Sabbath (DAY OF REST) so God's people can break from the routine of work to contemplate God. Jesus said
the Sabbath was made for man, and NOT man for the Sabbath

Mark 2:27
27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath
was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

So,the Sabbath does not celebrate God's
creation, but celebrates God Himself. The Sabbath is a preview of heaven, when we will forever enter into God's rest. That is why the verse say " SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISREAL " So, the author of Hebrews encourages us to enter into God's rest rather than falling into disobedience.

If your canal mind do not understand this bible study, open minded people will. So back to topic. Before I created this thread, I created double of this thread, one in the main religion board and one here, view it and see the answer to your muslims brother compear it with your trash.
https://www.nairaland.com/2674986/did-muhammed-curse-muslims

golpen:
lol.... Your church has refused to open your eyes to the outside source because of their personal pockets. I hope you're wise enough to learn from that outside source and seek the truth! Lol

and muhammed is the ONLY prophet that did not live up to what he preach , yet you neglect reality and chose to be ignorance.

AlmuFty01:
وَلَقَدْ كَرَّمْنَا بَنِي آدَمَ وَحَمَلْنَاهُمْ فِي الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ وَرَزَقْنَاهُمْ مِنَ الطَّيِّبَاتِ وَفَضَّلْنَاهُمْ عَلَىٰ كَثِيرٍ مِمَّنْ خَلَقْنَا تَفْضِيلًا

And indeed We have honored the Children of Adam, Allah tells us how He has honored the sons of Adam and made them noble by creating them in the best and most perfect of forms, as He says.

یﺕﻥ Verily, We created man in the best stature (mould). (95:4) He walks upright on his two feet and eats with his hand, while other living creatures walk on four feet and eat with their mouths, and He has given him hearing, sight and a heart with which to understand all of that, to benefit from it, and distinguish between things to know which are good for him and which are harmful, in both worldly and religious terms. and We have carried them on land and sea, means, on animals such as cattle, horses and mules, and also on the sea in ships and boats, great and small. ﻡ and have provided them with At-Tayyibat, meaning agricultural produce, fruits, meat, and milk with all kinds of delicious and desirable flavors and colors and beautiful appearance, and fine clothes of all kinds of shapes colors and sizes, which they make for themselves or are brought to them by others from other regions and areas. ﺕﻡ and have preferred them above many of those whom We have created with a marked preferment. means, over all living beings and other kinds of creation. This Ayah indicates that human are also preferred over the angels.

This is on the verses and I push it to you to bring a verse similar to this in the Bible.

what is this ? The quran made it clear, allah hate the unbelievers and love the believers, any explanation different from this mean contradictions.

hockeyoilers:
الَّذِينَ يُنفِقُونَ فِي السَّرَّاءِ وَالضَّرَّاءِ وَالْكَاظِمِينَ الْغَيْظَ وَالْعَافِينَ عَنِ النَّاسِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ يُحِبُّ الْمُحْسِنِينَ

those who give in times of both ease and hardship, those who control their rage and pardon other people – Allah loves the good-doers (3: 134)—

is their really a verse were Allah love is unconditional ?

DeathStroke007:
very good question....

that practice no longer exist in modern day Christians.. but surely does exist in those days

can you provide link ? And the name of the prophet ? Any biblical reference ?

DeathStroke007:
tell me what he accused them of..


i know you wella.. am ready to debunk all your lies on NL

you are still asking ? Read the op and tell me if muhammed was right in his accusations that christians worship at dead prophet tomb.

golpen:
Will you stop making a joke out of yourselves? Is it Muslims that are guilty of the ones I sent to you? Are they not Christians? You Christians don't need scriptures to commit atrocities do you? You celebrate Christmas, especially on an Idol worship day. Did you use the scripture? Where did the bible ask you to celebrate Christmas? Likewise, your popes don't need the scripture to commit this accusations. Even homo acts, your bishops don't look at the scriptures before practising and endorsing it. Haha....

Don't whine about the deep poo your religion put you, you can seek the truth and it will definitely set you free. Peace out bro

you are the one that are making fool of your self. Read the bible and tell me were christians are guilty of muhammed accusations. Don't go and copy outside source .

daretodiffer:
This is not about you. It is about us. You are disturbing us. Note that you know, can you please leave?

tell your muslims brothers to stop posting in the main religion section because here is there home. Until then, I'm staying. Peace.

daretodiffer:
I am not a soldier.

Well,, you are disturbing us. We do not have to tell you that. You know you are disturbing us.

I don't think asking questions is 'A' disturb.

daretodiffer:
How do you mean?

you command like you're a soldier girl. I did not disturb you guys here, I only ask questions, if you cannot answer, you can leave or stay and read comment. Thank you.

daretodiffer:
Then get off this section

are you a soldier girl ?