Science/Technology › Re: Are We Alone In The Universe? by malvisguy212: 9:02am On Feb 02, 2016 |
johnydon22: Imagine this nonsense... Tell me how Nigeria is ever going to grow in science when her Youths are like this @erusen ..The bible that didn't know "day/night cannot come before the sun on planet earth..
Religion has literally turned Nigerian youths to simpletons.. i don't see a bright light at the end of the tunnel trash!!! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Prayer by malvisguy212(op): 8:36am On Feb 02, 2016 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Prayer by malvisguy212(op): 9:22pm On Feb 01, 2016 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Condemns Jesus Crucifixion. by malvisguy212: 9:04pm On Feb 01, 2016 |
Scholar8200: The efforts used in travailing out this feeble thread should have been used in answering those questions you raised. EXACTLY. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians, Why Do You Believe In The Biblical God? by malvisguy212: 8:00pm On Feb 01, 2016 |
folksync: I mean I find it so hard to believe in this God. Too much inconsistencies in the Bible. Too deep a silence from God since the biblical era.
How do you do it? How can you live through all these absurdities and inconsistencies in the Bible without asking questions or without harbouring questions. And how are you so sure about the bible being the dictates of God, especially considering the fact that is filled with scientific inaccuracies and absurdities? How do I get this type of faith that makes me start accepting stuffs that I ordinarily would reject without qualms?
I am sincerely baffled. Can anyone really "save" me? The bible contradicte your character, you accused the word of God without given us the reason of your unbelief. Were is your argument ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Condemns Jesus Crucifixion. by malvisguy212: 7:53pm On Feb 01, 2016 |
Scholar8200: ! Any way see this prophecies:
As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Isaiah 52:14
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isaiah 53:5-8
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:26
THESE PROPHECIES CLEARLY PROPHESY THAT THE MESSIAH WOULD BE CUT OFF AND THAT BY AN AGONISING DEATH.
THE 2ND SHOWS THAT HE WAS NOT GUILTY BUT HE BORE OUR GUILT AND TOOK OUR PUNISHMENT!
THE CURSE WE DESERVED WAS LAID ON HIM FULLY. DO YOU KNOW WHY HE ROSE AGAIN? IT WAS BECAUSE JUSTICE HAD RAN ITS FULL COURSE AND GOD WHO RAISED HIM UP ACCEPTED THAT SACRIFICE FOR SIN! DO YOU KNOW WHY HE CRIED OUT ON THE CROSS? HE WAS ACCURSED I.E. SEPARATED FROM THE FATHER! see the word accursed as used below:
For [b]I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off and banished from Christ [/b]for the sake of my brethren and instead of them, my natural kinsmen and my fellow countrymen. Romans 9:3
What a pity!!!
You really stretched and strained to cough out this one but it is not as daunting as I would have expected! Lol. I was expecting strong case concerning the crucifixion argument, but look what the op present. My thread "Islamic prayer" must've cause him much stress. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Prayer by malvisguy212(op): 7:40pm On Feb 01, 2016 |
kaakulator4: malvisguy212
It's not like I can't even refute all the nonsense y'all are fond of posting.I just don't feel the need to.It's not neccessary because deviants will always remain deviants and besides this section is more of a section for insults not neccessarily to pass knowledge.I'm not a scholar but I'm a little bit knowledgeable than your average muslim/muslimah on Islamic matters so it won't take much time for me to refute but even If I do,you won't accept it and you'll retort to insults which is typical of you kiriyos when you're losing arguments.I've been following everything that happens here from the sidelines and I know how things work.What y'all do is attack in multitude and intimidate the person you're debating with I don't think you have any excuse here, if you know the answer to my questions, you would've response on your first post. I don't insult people like you guys do here. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Prayer by malvisguy212(op): 6:26pm On Feb 01, 2016 |
kaakulator4: Lmaoooo another kiri.yo lunatic on the loose 
Kiriyo boy you're the one being paranoid not me.If not, you won't be wan.king around,scavenging the whole internet for anti-islamic articles You obviously know you'll be used as kilishi in hell fire  OLAJADON: which quranic verse proves that .....LOLZ........I SHOULD BE THE ONE WORRIED ABOUT MY TIME FOR SOLAT NOT U...funny dude. [quote author=kaakulator4 post=42527192]Is a shame you guys are here without even attempting to refute the op. Keep on making noise. OLAJADON Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable decree of your Lord that EVERY ONE OF YOU will be taken to HELL.” Surah 19:72: “Then (Thumma) We shall RESCUE those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.” (Pickthall) You only “rescue” someone who is in some kind of danger. However, this RESCUE operation will only take place on “Judgment Day.” Until then, for centuries , pious Muslims will be consumed by fire. Only the dark spots on the skin of their foreheads caused by years of prostration to Allah will escape the effects of the fire. This is Allah’s reward for their faithful prayers to him. Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0349: “They (the angels) would recognise them in the Fire by the marks of prostration , for Hell-fire will devour everything (limb) of the sons of Adam except the marks of prostration. Allah has forbidden the fire to consume the marks of prostration. They will be taken out of the Fire having been burnt …” Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770: ...... Then Allah will come to them again and say, ‘I am your Lord.’ They will say, ‘You are our Lord.’ Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across HELL AND I (MUHAMMED) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, ‘O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.’ |
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Prayer by malvisguy212(op): 5:44pm On Feb 01, 2016 |
OLAJADON: malvisguy02 do u know y i like you, u kip enlighten ur christian brothers...HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE WORD "DEDICATION TO SOMETHING SOMEONE OR RELIGION"....a ayat of the quran explains that mankind and jinnkind was created for the purpose of worshipping....WE SHOULD BE THE ONE WORRIED ABOUT OUR RELIGION NOT YOU OR ARE U NOW HAVING A DOUBLE MIND ON UR JESUS AS LORD.... IF NOT THEN RELAX U SHALL HAVD YOUR CRIB IN HELL. A AYAT ALSO EXPLAINS THAT DO NOT DIE EXCEPT BEEN A MUSLIMS BCOZ IF U DID NT JOIN ISLAM D LAST DAY AINT GONNA B EASY FOR U INFACT UR PUNISHMENT WILL START FROM THE GRAVE.....WHAT DID YOUR BIBLE SAYS ABOUT GRAVE PUNISHMENT FOR UNBLIVER OR IS UNBLIVER ALSO GOING TO HEAVEN. kaakulator4:
Why do y'all kiriyo re.ta.rds always wa.nk on issues that have to do with Islam No one gives a fvck about you but you keep trying to get attention with all these your copy and paste jargons We don't even talk about you lol if you cannot answer questions relating to your belief, how do you conclude that islam is the right religion ? Because the quran say so ? Does it mean that Islamic belief is blind faith ? You muslims are the one who need to be worried concerning judgment, the quran has already revealed your destination , and it is hell. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Prayer by malvisguy212(op): 3:48pm On Feb 01, 2016 |
malvisguy212: Cc OLAJADON since olajadon has slept off let me extend my greeting to DeathStroke007 and hockeyoilers malvisguy212: FROM FIFTY TO FIVE DAILY PRAYERS Surah 17:1: “Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, Whose precincts We did bless, – in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He Is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).” (Yusuf Ali) According to the Qur’an, Allah allegedly took Muhammad on a journey from the Ka’ba in Mecca to the farthest Mosque at Jerusalem. Muslims view Muhammad’s Night Journey with great importance for the reason that this journey determined the Islamic ritual of praying five times a day. In other words, Muhammad’s Night Journey has an impact on the lives of more than a billion Muslims all over the world – five times – each and every day. Allah ORIGINAL plan was for the muslims to have 50 times a day prayers until it was reduce to 5 after muhammed plead. There are twenty-four hours in a day. If Allah’s original plan is for Muslims to pray fifty times a day, Muslims would hardly have sufficient time left for work, sleep or family. Let’s do the maths. If we were to allow just fifteen minutes for each of the fifty prayer rituals along with the ablutions, it will amount to 12.5 hours (15X50 mins.). And this does not include the time it takes to travel to the mosque and back for those who prefer to pray there. However, on Fridays all Muslim males are required to pray at the mosque. A day has only 24 hours. Even going by the very bare minimum, a Muslim is now left with 11 and ½ hours. Most employment requires a person to work at least 8 hours a day on the average. What about the time spent traveling to and fro from work? If we were to deduct an average of just 10 hours for employment, the Muslim is now left with just 1 and ½ hours. And humans need at least 7 or 8 hours of sleep to remain healthy. OUR QUESTION IS: Does not Allah know that there are only 24 hours in a day? Does not Allah know that his worshippers need to work, eat, sleep and care for their families? Why did not Allah know that even going by the bare minimum, Muslims will not be able cope with his absurd demand to pray fifty times a day? Did not Allah know that it would be impossible for Muslims to accomplish this unreasonable command to stop every 28.8 minutes for prayer? Can Allah really then be the all knowing God as you claim? Since a Muslim will have to stop working twice each hour to pray, would any employer, in his right mind, employ a Muslim? Why did not Allah tell Muhammad to pray five times a day in the first place? Does not this show that Moses was much wiser than Allah? Does not this also prove that Moses was more in tune with reality than Allah? How could Moses – a mere human Even the reduced number of five daily prayers at specific times has proven to be counter productive to the economy growth of many Muslim nations. Prayer works through love. In Christianity, there is no such compulsion. God wants heartfelt prayers. Not scripted prayers that are demanded to be expressed in a specific number of times and at certain specific times. There is no such thing as fixed time prayers in Christianity. According to the Bible, a Christian can pray at any time before his God. The Bible prescribes neither the form nor the amount of prayer required of the believer. In the Bible, prayer is always voluntary, never a compulsion, although this does not contradict the fact, that God has told his worshippers to persevere in prayer. malvisguy212: Cc OLAJADON since olajadon has slept off let me extend my greeting to DeathStroke007 and hockeyoilers |
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Prayer by malvisguy212(op): 3:36pm On Feb 01, 2016 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Prayer by malvisguy212(op): 3:33pm On Feb 01, 2016 |
true2god: The saudis have really fooled millions of people worldwide with mohammed's family idol called allahh. Mohammed have to join Jewish prophets into islam so that the Jews can accept his new religion, but when the christians and the Jews rejected his 'prophethood' he declared WAR (quran 9:29). The product of mohammed's excessive ambition is what led to the factionalization of his new religion into the shia and sunnis who have been killing each other for over 1400 years. Only God will end their fight, but their fight is good for us 'infidels'. At least they can engage themselves instead of christians. God bless you my brother, nice one. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Prayer by malvisguy212(op): 1:50pm On Feb 01, 2016 |
Cc OLAJADON |
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Prayer by malvisguy212(op): 9:56am On Feb 01, 2016 |
FROM FIFTY TO FIVE DAILY PRAYERS Surah 17:1: “Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, Whose precincts We did bless, – in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He Is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).” (Yusuf Ali)
According to the Qur’an, Allah allegedly took Muhammad on a journey from the Ka’ba in Mecca to the farthest Mosque at Jerusalem. Muslims view Muhammad’s Night Journey with great importance for the reason that this journey determined the Islamic ritual of praying five times a day. In other words, Muhammad’s Night Journey has an impact on the lives of more than a billion Muslims all over the world – five times – each and every day.
Allah ORIGINAL plan was for the muslims to have 50 times a day prayers until it was reduce to 5 after muhammed plead.
There are twenty-four hours in a day. If Allah’s original plan is for Muslims to pray fifty times a day, Muslims would hardly have sufficient time left for work, sleep or family. Let’s do the maths. If we were to allow just fifteen minutes for each of the fifty prayer rituals along with the ablutions, it will amount to 12.5 hours (15X50 mins.). And this does not include the time it takes to travel to the mosque and back for those who prefer to pray there. However, on Fridays all Muslim males are required to pray at the mosque. A day has only 24 hours. Even going by the very bare minimum, a Muslim is now left with 11 and ½ hours. Most employment requires a person to work at least 8 hours a day on the average. What about the time spent traveling to and fro from work? If we were to deduct an average of just 10 hours for employment, the Muslim is now left with just 1 and ½ hours. And humans need at least 7 or 8 hours of sleep to remain healthy. OUR QUESTION IS: Does not Allah know that there are only 24 hours in a day? Does not Allah know that his worshippers need to work, eat, sleep and care for their families? Why did not Allah know that even going by the bare minimum, Muslims will not be able cope with his absurd demand to pray fifty times a day? Did not Allah know that it would be impossible for Muslims to accomplish this unreasonable command to stop every 28.8 minutes for prayer? Can Allah really then be the all knowing God as you claim? Since a Muslim will have to stop working twice each hour to pray, would any employer, in his right mind, employ a Muslim? Why did not Allah tell Muhammad to pray five times a day in the first place? Does not this show that Moses was much wiser than Allah? Does not this also prove that Moses was more in tune with reality than Allah? How could Moses – a mere human
Even the reduced number of five daily prayers at specific times has proven to be counter productive to the economy growth of many Muslim nations. Prayer works through love. In Christianity, there is no such compulsion. God wants heartfelt prayers. Not scripted prayers that are demanded to be expressed in a specific number of times and at certain specific times. There is no such thing as fixed time prayers in Christianity. According to the Bible, a Christian can pray at any time before his God. The Bible prescribes neither the form nor the amount of prayer required of the believer. In the Bible, prayer is always voluntary, never a compulsion, although this does not contradict the fact, that God has told his worshippers to persevere in prayer. |
Christianity Etc › Islamic Prayer by malvisguy212(op): 9:36am On Feb 01, 2016 |
Prayer is respectful communication between man and God. Christians are free to pray to their God from anywhere, from any direction, in any (respectable) position, at any time of the day or night and they can be assured that their beloved God would listen to them. To insist that you have to face a specific direction to talk to God is an insult to his Almightiness.
Psalms 4:1: “When I call, answer me, O my righteous God.”
However, whenever Muslims want to pray to Allah, they are commanded to do so at certain specific times, face a specific direction and follow a specific ritual.
Surah 2:144: We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. (Pickthall)
QUESTION : 1.At the time when Allah revealed Surah 2:144 to change the Qiblah from Jerusalem to Mecca, the Ka’ba was still a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan idols. Why would Allah permit his Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while it was still polluted with 360 pagan idols? 2. Why must the prayers of the Muslims be directed towards the pagan shrine in order to reach the ears of Allah? 3. Since the Blackstone was venerated by the pagans during pre-Islamic days, why are Muslims all over the world commanded to face this very pagan Blackstone whenever they pray? 4.If you say it to unify Muslims, why are these very same Muslims who while praying unitedly in Arabic, still fighting and killing each other? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by malvisguy212: 12:04pm On Jan 31, 2016 |
Omotayor123: OP well done... But mind u, Jesus was praying earnestly not to die. so he doesn't want to die ..... also nobody dies 4 anybody's sin cos d bible said " d father shall nt b put to death for d son neither d son b put to death for d father only for his own sin shall a person b put to death... you did not read the verse well, Jesus pray in His human nature that this cup be taken away from Him,Not by His will but the will of His Father. What is the will of the father ? Abel's sacrifice (of BLOOD, Gen 4:4) was accepted by God whereas Cain's sacrifice (vegetables, Gen 4:3) was not sufficient. we read that Abraham's son(Isaac/ishmael) was 'ransomed by a momentous sacrifice', referring to the substitution by God of a ram instead of the boy in Gen 22:13-14. The question is : Why was it necessary for God to provide a substitute to SAVE THE BOY LIFE ? why was the ram described as momentous (Arabic al-Azzim - this is one of the ninety-nine Names of God in the Qur'an). How could a ram be greater than a human being, unless it was a representation of an altogether greater sacrifice to come, that of Jesus Christ? https://www.nairaland.com/2489668/why-atonement-sin-atonement-islam |
Christianity Etc › Re: Top 10 Most Popular Verses In The Bible by malvisguy212: 10:21am On Jan 31, 2016 |
menesheh: Hahaha, real hypocritical. It is illogical for pope to make such crazy analogy but in religious point of view, it makes ahell of sense since most mainstream religious believes are based on faith. And with faith, anything can be justified and believable. NO. The bible say faith alone cannot save you because what you have faith in must be TRUE. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Some Churches Shout "Amen! Amen! Amen! Fire!"? by malvisguy212: 10:16am On Jan 31, 2016 |
menesheh: Babbling and ranting, applying the power of human emotion I just feel like to knock the atheists deception out of your head. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Some Churches Shout "Amen! Amen! Amen! Fire!"? by malvisguy212: 10:13am On Jan 31, 2016 |
The Hebrew word translated “amen” literally means “truly” or “so be it.” in Deuteronomy 27 the isrealite are to response with the word "Amen" in response to God righteous judgment. And in Nehemiah 5:13 the words Amen and praise were use together: Nehemiah 5:13 13 I also shook out the fold of my garment and said, “So may God shake out every man from his house and from his labor who does not keep this promise. So may he be shaken out and emptied.” And all the assembly said “Amen” and praised the Lord. And the people did as they had promised.
The highest expression of praise to God is obedience, and when we say “amen” to His commands and pronouncements, our praise is sweet music to His ears.
The realm we live in is a spiritual war zone between light and darkness, There 're two categories of Spiritual warfare are: offensive and defensive. Offensive warfare is tearing down the strongholds the enemy has formed in your mind through deception and accusations, and defensive warfare is guarding yourself against the tactics or schemes of the devil. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Cannibals by malvisguy212: 9:02am On Jan 31, 2016 |
The scripture does not support any of this act, the disciples do not force anyone to convert, the disciples die for their faith. Acting contrary to this is sin against God.
Surah 8:67: “It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.” (Pickthall)
Surah 5:33: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs is an awful doom. (Pickthall) Sahih Muslim, Book 38, Number 4359: Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The verse “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite side or exile from the land…most merciful” was revealed about polytheists. If any of them repents before they are arrested, it does not prevent from inflicting on him the prescribed punishment which he deserves. |
Christianity Etc › Re: See How Muslims Are Trooping To Jesus by malvisguy212: 8:47am On Jan 31, 2016 |
OLAJADON: subhanallah.....at first you coated the Quran correctly then u started saying rubbish.....THAT O GABRIEL THAT YOU STATED BELOW IS THAT AN HADITH OR SOMETHING....IF IT AN HADITU WHO WROTE IT. YOU BETTER DONT LIE .....YOU SHOULD KNOWCI WILL DO MY RESEARCH....SO BE CARERUL WHAT U SAY. do your research and stop quoting me double on a single post. |
Christianity Etc › Re: See How Muslims Are Trooping To Jesus by malvisguy212: 8:43am On Jan 31, 2016 |
OLAJADON: you this malvis..WHEN WILL YOU STOP LIEING.Quran 33 56 is talking about we muslims should give salutation or peace to mohammmed that is how the word pbuh originated from....THEN WHERE DID U GET THE WORD GOD YOU USED OR IS THERE ANOTHER VERSION OF QURAN...COZ THAT WORD GOD U USED IS NOT IN MINE. INDEED YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS READY TO DO ANYTHING(including lie) TO TARNISH THE IMAGE OF ISLAM ANSWER THIS QUESTION URSLF.....AINT YOU AN HYPOCRITE. Narrated AbuHurayrah Allah's Messenger said, "A thousand years before creating the heavens and the Earth, Allah RECITED Ta-Ha and Ya-Sin, and when the angels HEARD the recitation they said, 'Happy are the people to whom this comes down, happy are the minds which carry this, and happy are the tongues which utter this.” Darimi transmitted it (At-Tirmidhi Hadith, Number 660 – taken from ALIM CD- ROM Version; bold and capital emphasis ours) |
Christianity Etc › Re: See How Muslims Are Trooping To Jesus by malvisguy212: 8:13am On Jan 31, 2016 |
hockeyoilers: You worship the creation not the creator And you worship a allah who pray to the Almighty God. Sura 33:056 "Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect." The literal translation of this verse is: Allah and His angels pray on the prophet. O ye who believe pray on him and salute him with a worthy salutation. If Allah in heaven is praying on the prophet, the question is, to whom is Allah praying? The following is supposed to be a prayer of Allah taken from Ibn Hisham’s Al-Sirah Al-Halabiyya: ﻗﻠﺖ ﻳﺎ ﺟﺒﺮﻳﻞ ﺃﻳﺼﻠﻰ ﺭﺑﻚ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻧﻌﻢ ﻗﻠﺖ ﻭﻣﺎ ﻳﻘﻮﻝ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻳﻘﻮﻝ ﺳﺒﻮﺡ ﻗﺪﻭﺱ ﺭﺏ ﺍﻟﻤﻼﺋﻜﺔ ﻭﺍﻟﺮﻭﺡ ﺳﺒﻘﺖ ﺭﺣﻤﺘﻰ ﻏﻀﺒﻰ I [Muhammad] said, “O Gabriel, does your Lord PRAY ?” He said, “YES .” I said, “What does he say?” “This is what he says. He says: ‘Glory, holy, Lord of the angels and the Spirit. My mercy overcomes my wrath.’” |
Islam › Re: Rape is allowed in Islam during times of ‘legitimate war’ by malvisguy212: 7:27am On Jan 31, 2016 |
hockeyoilers: Deuteronomy 22:28-29
“If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days is the woman a slave ? Not All laws in the old testament apply to christians. Exodus 22:16-17 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins." Together, these passages clearly state that if a man has sex with a virgin who is not betrothed (regardless of whether or not it was rape or consensual) he is obliged to marry her. He should have sought her father's permission first,her father is ultimately in authority over her, as her head, until he hands this authority over to her husband. negotiated a bride-price, and taken her as his wife. Because he did not, he is punished for this, he now must pay up (he can't opt out any more) and marry her (which could be a major punishment in itself if this was a foolish, |
Islam › Re: Rape is allowed in Islam during times of ‘legitimate war’ by malvisguy212: 7:08am On Jan 31, 2016 |
Weah96: I don't know, but it doesn't matter. The Bible agreed with Mohammed about the fate of virgins who were captured in war. They were to be kept as sex slaves. That's my point. I'm not here to defend Islam or Mohammed. liar. The bible never supported sex slave. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Shepherd Psalm by malvisguy212(op): 6:51am On Jan 31, 2016 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: How The Passover Reveals Jesus Christ by malvisguy212(op): 6:49am On Jan 31, 2016 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: What Bible Says About Women In Church by malvisguy212: 12:57am On Jan 31, 2016 |
OLAJADON: BROS, u trying to shift the argument on my head...am d confused one here, am d one asking d question...I SAW WOMEN R NOT TO TALK boldly written in the bible and u trying to tell me now THAT I NEED HOLY SPIRIT TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING...but this is written in english when i write "please dont go out" in english ...do u nid holy spirit to interprete that...PLEASE DONT GO OUT SIMPLY MEANS U ARE NOT TO GO OUT....U DONT NEED AN INTERPRETER FOR THAT THEN Y ARE U FAILING TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT IS BOLDLY WRITTEN IN UR BIBLE OR IS IT ONLY MY BIBLE THAT HAS DAT VERSE. bros u keep confusing me....ARE U SAYING WHAT EVER I SEE IN THE BIBLE HAS ANOTHER MEANING. ? malvisguy212: Let me repeat myself again. Paul was saying women should know their ROLE in ministries, they should NOT ASSUME authority over the men, When a woman submissively asks or answers questions, or makes comments in a Bible study (where men are present) she is NOT DOMINATING or taking over the class, but is simply a PARTICIPANTS in the class that is being LED by a teacher (MEN) . Let me give you an example: Priscilla was a female apostle, she was teaching apollos, I want you to keep in mind that peter was the head of the church: Acts 18:25-26 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and PRISCILIA heard him, they took him aside and EXPLAINED TO HIM THE WAY OF GOD more accurately. Does it mean priscilia was the leader of the church and peter was not ? Men can preach with authority and Leadership, a woman cannot do this she can only speak. Titus 2:15 Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with ALL AUTHORITY. Let no one despise you. Titus can rebuke and speak with ALL authority, this is the role a woman cannot assume over the man. The context in corinthans involved ASSEMBLY, men are told not to speak two or more at the same time. Women are told NOT to speak at all. Everyone has a role to play. Joel 2:28 "And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and DAUGHTERS WILL PROPHESY, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see vision. If women are not to speak in church, how could the prophesy? Prophesied involved speaking. If you do not agree, okay, I cannot help you any further, that's all I've got to explained. OLAJADON: BROS, u trying to shift the argument on my head...am d confused one here, am d one asking d question...I SAW WOMEN R NOT TO TALK boldly written in the bible and u trying to tell me now THAT I NEED HOLY SPIRIT TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING...but this is written in english when i write "please dont go out" in english ...do u nid holy spirit to interprete that...PLEASE DONT GO OUT SIMPLY MEANS U ARE NOT TO GO OUT....U DONT NEED AN INTERPRETER FOR THAT THEN Y ARE U FAILING TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT IS BOLDLY WRITTEN IN UR BIBLE OR IS IT ONLY MY BIBLE THAT HAS DAT VERSE. bros u keep confusing me....ARE U SAYING WHAT EVER I SEE IN THE BIBLE HAS ANOTHER MEANING. ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Bible Says About Women In Church by malvisguy212: 12:31am On Jan 31, 2016 |
OLAJADON: dont u get it...am nt asking for ur explanation....WHAT AM SAYING IS UR BIBLE SAID *********** WHY ARE U PRACTISING *********...IS THAT THE TEACHING OF UR BIBLE....IS UR BIBLE FABRICATED OR U R D ONE DAT DOSE NOT KNOW WAT HIS DOING....OR R U CONDEMNING THIS VERSE IN UR HOLY BIBLE.. THOSE ARE WHAT I WANT U TO ANALYSE NOT STORYS....PERIOD. I gave you the answer, the context is about leadership, excluding the congregation, but were seems to confused you is the word "NOT TO SPEAK IN CHURCH" so since you reject my answer, let me know your reason why women are not to speak in church. Simple!!! |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Bible Says About Women In Church by malvisguy212: 12:18am On Jan 31, 2016 |
OLAJADON: is this lie or what.. but u can use ur two eyes to see it boldly written there WOMEN ARE NOT TO SPEAK IN CHURCH.... is it d holy spirit that is advicing u to say this coz am surprised NO WONDER U AND UR CHRISTIANS BROTHER ARE ALWAYS FABRICATING POINTS FROM THE QURAN...SO U GUYS KNOW THE TRUTH...U JUST DONT WANT TO ADMIT IT.....IT IS BOLDLY WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE... WOMEN ARE NOT TO TALK IN CHURCH...DO I HAVE TO SPELL EACH LETTER OUT TO U BEFORE U UNDERSTAND IT...OR HIS THIS ONE OF THE WORKS OF UR HOLY SPIRIT...COZ AM CONFUSED OOOO let us do it one after the other. Why are women not to talk in church ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Bible Says About Women In Church by malvisguy212: 10:39pm On Jan 30, 2016 |
OLAJADON: remember i am coating the bible these are not my words and how do u expect me to read the bible(but does words are written in english except if u wqnt me to misinterprete the bible)...it is boldly written there women r nt to talk in the church....except u dnt want to acknowledge that verse ALSO REMEMBER IT IS THIS SAME BIBLE THAT IS YOUR BOOK OF WISDOM.....DO U MEAN VERSES IN YOUR BOOK OF WISDOM CONTRADICT EACH OTHER. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME MORE. the verse do not forbid women to speak in church, the verse was saying women cannot assume authority over the man. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Bible Says About Women In Church by malvisguy212: 10:04pm On Jan 30, 2016 |
OLAJADON: DID U EVEN READ THE POST U COATED coz am nt sure u did. MY QUESTION IS WHY DO WE HAVE MUMMY G.O WHEN MEN ARE THEIR....WHY DO THOSE MUMMY G.O GIVE SWRMON WHEN MEN ARE THERE. is mummy GO the head of the church ? Does given sermon mean you are dominating ? I gave you an example of priscilia a female who explained to Apollos (a man) , does explaining to apollos mean priscilia is assuming authority over peter the leader of the church ? Stop reading the bible the way you read the quran. |