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OLAJADON:
AM SORRY I COULDNT GET THE VERSE I PROMISED YOU...
XO EVERYONE I AM USING THIS MEDIUM TO APOLOGY FOR MY MISTAKE...THE GUY GAVE ME ANOTHER ONE INSTEAD

OLAJADON:
guy u d ignorant due....dont we have females that pray in mosque.

1. do u praise God or worship him.
2. my question is why will a female climb d podium and give lecture when males are their...if this occur it means eithir of this
a. the male there lyk u r dead head.
b. the bible is contracdicted( remember u also use this bible to pray ooo...infact it is ur book of wisdom)
c. u guys in the church are bunch of idiot following what mumky and donkey says
d. u guys are doing let just follow what they say atleast i have giving my life to christ....if you ff dis then dont u think u shuld question if jesus(as) actually died for u.
SO WHICH OF IT R U DOING.

OLAJADON:
also the two verses are correct....
1. in the case f john d baptist God made what he said come to pass
2. in the case of jesus God decided to show his power....is it that difficult to understand because i dont still get your question...DID JESUS HAVE D ABILITY TO SEE D FUTURE...DID HE KNOW WHEN HE WILL DIE....DID E KNOW WHEN HE WAS BORN....DID HE KNOW WHEN PPLE STARTED CONSPIRING TO KILL HIM...DID HE KNOW WHEN D DAY OF ACCOUNTABILITY WILL OCCUR....IF ALL THIS IS NO THEN HOW DO U EXPECT HIM TO KNOW EITHER HE WAS GOING TO B ARISED BE FOR HE DIE .
OR WHAT EXACTLY IS UR QUESTION...COZ I C NO SENSE IN THIS.

OLAJADON:
did u just say paul, guy u Bleep up...is it not the same paul that gave a different account about the crucifixion of jesus...do u know that their is a place in the bible that paul said it himself that what he himself(pardon my english) wrote is mixed with lie(can remember the bible verse, maybe a muslim brother can help me with the verse....but if u insist on getting the verse i can help u with it..and i will send it to u... when it ready)

Scholar8200:
Rather glaring! Well op, would you mind shedding more light here? At least before you study to refute another man's belief, clarify yours first!

OLAJADON:
what point r u trying to make.. r u supporting women preaching in church.?
Also dont misinterprete the bible...did j read the part that says women r not to talk...either it is law or nt ...dont u think it should b abide? ...is d bible not ur holy book...r u following the bibles teachings....ALL THIS LEAD BACK TO MY ORIGIN QUESTION WHY DO WE HAVE MUMMY G.O....
REMEMBER THIS MUMMY G.O SERVE AS MENTOR TO SOME CHRISTIANS, EVEN MALE CHRISTIANS GO AND MEET HER FOR ADVICE(i guess u one of them)...DONT U THINK U GOING AGAINST THE BIBLE LAW.

OLAJADON:
INSHA ALLAH, before the end of nxt week i will create a thrend explaning the bible verse that condemns cricifixion.

mustymatic:
And brother "qad khalat" does not specifically means to die, but- indeed hav passed. just like in Nigeria now, leaders have passed before buhari does not mean they're all dead...although some have died....so your argument does not hold. simple

SalC:
God bless you too dear. I am a sister though

mustymatic:
But brother, the wording "qad khalat" does not mean to die, but passed or somethin lyk dat (like passed leaders for example...jonathan is a passed leader now...although it can b said such since they're no more in existence now.

malvisguy212:
According to the Qur’an the final miracle performed by Allah was a
huge she-camel that he produced out of a rock.
Surah 7:73: “Indeed there has come to you a clear sign (the miracle of the coming out of a huge she camel from the midst of a rock) from your Lord.” (Hilali-Khan)
And Surah 17:59 gives us the reason why Allah stopped sending miracles anymore after he had miraculously produced the she-camel out of a rock.
Surah 17:59: “And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).” (Yusuf Ali)

As we can see, the word “Sign” in this verse denotes the visible and clearly observable miracle of Allah. The Sign or Miracle that Allah sent in this specific instant was a she-camel that was visible to the people of Thamud. The miracle was sent to open their eyes but they treated
the she-camel wrongly and killed her. After this incident, Allah decided not to send any more miracles in the future. What can we conclude by
the above words of Allah in Surah 17:59?


1. It shows that Allah has “stopped sending miracles.” This means that long before the coming of Muhammad, Allah has decided to stop
sending miracles. Hence, if the Qur’an is true, then Muhammad could
not have performed any miracle. Therefore, whenever Muslims proudly
claim that their Prophet performed many miracles, they are at the
same instant admitting that Allah lied in Surah 17:59.
2. It specifies Allah’s reason for not sending miracles. This verse states that Allah found it pointless to perform miracles “because the men of former generations treated them as false.” In other words, Allah has stopped sending miracles because people in the past did not
believe in them.
3. It shows in which period of time Allah made a decision to stop sending miracles.

More than twenty Qur’anic passages show that whenever Muhammad
was asked by his contemporaries to perform a single miracle, he either
remained silent or said that he could not do so because he was no
more than just an ordinary human being. The most explicit of these
passages is in
Surah 17:90-93:
They said, “We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to
gush out of the ground. “Or unless you own a garden of date palms
and grapes, with rivers running through it. “Or unless you cause
masses from the sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or unless you
bring GOD and the angels before our eyes. “Or unless you own a
luxurious mansion, or unless you climb into the sky. Even if you do climb, we will not believe unless you bring a book that we can
read.” Say, “Glory be to my Lord. AM I ANY MORE THAN A HUMAN MESSENGER?” (Khalifa)

We will now analyze Surah 17:59 once again but from a different point of view:
As a result of the above insolent act of the people of Thamud, Surah 17:59 testifies that Allah has now refrained from sending miracles. The Qur’an does not mention the time period when Prophet Salih was sent to the people of Thamud. But, we can say with certainty that it
must be BEFORE the time of Jesus Christ, because according to Muhammad himself, there were no prophets or apostles between the
time of Jesus and Muhammad. In other words, the only “Prophet” who
was sent after Jesus was Muhammad.

Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Hadith Number 5835: Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him)
as saying: I am most akin to Jesus Christ among the whole of
mankind, and all the Prophets are of different mothers but belong
to one religion and no PROPHET WAS RAISE BETWEEN ME AND JESUS.

The Hadith states that “no Prophet was raised between (Muhammad) and Jesus,” Therefore, Salih could not have been sent after the arrival of Jesus but before. Otherwise, it would place him between Jesus and Muhammad. Therefore, Allah must have stopped
sending miracles long before Jesus set foot on earth. Yet, the Qur’an admits that Jesus performed many miracles and it even describes some
of his miracles. Surah 3:49: And I (Jesus) heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission. (Shakir)

How can this be possible? This shows that Allah’s claim in the Qur’an
that he was the source behind the powerful works of Jesus is a lie. By
his own admission, Allah could not be the one who empowered Jesus
with miracles. He simply could not be the originator of Jesus’
miraculous works. Who then is the source of the miracles of Jesus?

malvisguy212:
The Qur’an claims to be the eternal
Revelation of God. If true, how can an
eternal Book of Allah have such time-
bound revelations in it? The Qur’an itself admits that some of its verses were abrogated and replaced by others
verses.

To abrogate means to abolish, annul,
rescind, repeal or revoke. The Qur’an is
the only religious book that abrogates its own teachings. The concept of abrogation in the Qur’an is that Allah reveals a verse in the Qur’an that invalidates an earlier verse in the same Qur’an. This may lead to numerous difficulties for the readers of the Qur’an. In fact, it raises many questions. For example:

1. How can a Muslim know what is
abrogated and what is not?
2. Since the abrogated verses still exist
in the Qur’an, what is the use of
these abrogated verses for Muslims
now?
3. Would not this pose a problem for
the ordinary readers of the Qur’an to
verify what is abrogated and what is
not?
4. How would an average Muslim know
what is abrogated and what is not,
when even scholar disagree among
themselves as to the numbers of
verses that are abrogated?

However, if the Qur’an is the genuine
Word of God, then the commandments
written in it must by no means be
abrogated. Its contents must remain
intact and its messages unchanged. And
amazingly Allah agrees:

Surah 6:115: “The word of your Lord
is complete, in truth and justice.
Nothing shall abrogate His words.
He is the Hearer, the
Omniscient.” (Khalifa)
In other word, nothing can change is word. However, note the contradiction in Surah 2:106:

“Whatever verse we shall abrogate,
or cause (thee) to forget, we will
bring a better one than it, or one
like unto it. Dost thou not know that
God is almighty?” (Sale)

The concept of “abrogation” in the
Qur’an is that Allah reveals a latter verse that both supersedes and annuls an earlier verse in the same Qur’an.
Abrogation means to annul or cancel
something with appropriate or legal
authority. In this case, the authority is
none other than Allah himself. Surah
2:106 is central to the doctrine of
abrogation that is taught in Islam. Why
does an all-wise God need to reveal
“better” or “similar” verses to replace
verses that he had inspired only a few
years or even days earlier? Surah 2:106
is clearly making the claim that Allah will change and cause the older verses to be forgotten by revealing better verses or verses similar in kind. To emphasize the point, Allah states that he has power over all things.

The quran is disorderly chronological arrange One example of the disorderly chronology is that Surahs 2:193, 2:216 and 2:217 were revealed at the beginning of Muhammad’s arrival in
Medina. And it took another six years to
reveal Surahs 2:190, 2:191 and 2:192. Yet Surah 2:193 (which was revealed six
years earlier) was inserted to follow
Surah 2:192. How could it then be known which contradicting verses were the more authoritative? Without context and chronology, the “abrogated” and
“abrogator” verses render the entire
Qur’an irrelevant. For example, if one
verse encourages slavery and another
condemns it, which is to be believed and followed?
Truly there is a lot of questions we need to ask, the quran is not the word of God.

malvisguy212:
In the middle of the confusion of the war on terrorism is the question of the nature of the religion of Islam. Some say that it is a peaceful religion at its heart, that only the fringe extremists are bent on war.

One side claims that "jihad" means a
personal struggle against evil in one's
behavior. Others claim that it means
conquest of the part of the world that is
not Muslim, by whatever means
necessary, including acts of terror.

Both sides refer to specific passages in
the Koran for support. For the soul winner, these are not the important issues. Bible believers are asking, "How can we reach Muslims with the gospel which will solve their struggle against evil?"

One way involves God's love.The biblical concept of God loving the sinner, is
FOREIGN TO MUSLIM THINKING. To them, Allah is "compassionate" and "merciful," BUT only to those who obey him.

Their relationship to Allah is not as father and son but more as MASTER AND SLAVE. Allah is not pictured in the quran as a loving Creator, longing for an intimate relationship with man.

Biblical concepts found in John 3:16, 1
John 4:6-10 ("God is love" and in the
Lord's prayer where we address God as
"Our Father" are nowhere found in
Muslim thinking. Muslims memorize the
"99 beautiful names of Allah,"BUT "love"
or "loving" is no where in that list.

"The love of God is the chief attribute of the biblical God as revealed in such places as John 3:16.God has feelings for his creatures, especially man"

But when we turn to the Quran, we do
not find love presented as the chief
attribute of Allah. Instead, the
transcendence of Allah is his chief
attribute.

"Neither does Allah 'have feelings'
toward man. That concept is foreign to
Islamic teaching. That would reduce
Allah to being a mere man -which again
is blasphemous to a Muslim."

"The greatest difference between the two faiths is the personal quality of God," writes Emir and Ergun Caner in Unveiling Islam. "ONE MUST LOVE Allah IN ORDER FOR Allah TO LOVE THAT PERSON IN RETURN .In Christianity, God loved people first in order to secure their salvation"

The story that Jesus told of the prodigal
son illustrates a side of God that is
foreign to the followers of Allah. The
Quran states flatly that "Allah loves NOT those who reject Faith"(surah 3:32).
"The Muslim can be totally sure that
Allah will never restore a believer who
has rejected the faith of Islam," we must show the Muslim that Allah offers "no love, no sure forgiveness of sins and only empty dreams of a false paradise."

Only Jesus, the God of the Bible, loved us while were yet sinners,offering sure forgiveness, and eternal life with a loving heavenly Father.

malvisguy212:
Jesus is a very important figure in Islam.
Muslims believe, Jesus is just a prophet,
He was merely a prophet, a prophet
whose second coming will bring about
Allah’s judgement on the human race.

In the fourth book of the Quran, al-Nisa
(or “The Women”), we are told that Jesus
never died on the cross. Instead, Allah is a gifted trickster. Behold:

Quran 4:157 And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did
they crucify him;but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
Quran 4:158 Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in
Might and Wise.

No reason were given why Jesus was snatch from death. Allah couldn’t wait a few more days for Jesus to be executed. He needed Jesus in heaven right away. But he also needed Jesus to be executed. The solution? Snatch Jesus
from earth right now and pick someone else to wear Jesus’ face long enough to fool the executioners and the Jews.

In completing this absurd trick, Allah
must’ve known the following:

The crucifixion of Jesus would be used to create Christianity,the largest religion
the world has ever known–a rival religion, mind you. So it was all a ruse to
trick people into following the LARGEST
religion. Unfortunately for these cursed
Christian souls, Allah waited another 600 years before bothering to mention that the Divine Jesus myth in the bible was all a lie.

Those who died Prior to the coming of muhammed to clear this out , who's gonna take the blame for their unbelief ? Allah for tricking the Jews or satan ?

unphilaz:
Noted... which God... ? unphilaz believes in Christ...tartar believes in Allah.. Frosbel believes in "UNKNOWN GOD"

SalC:
Like seriously is this even worth debating on?


Herod ruled Judea from 37BC to 4BC while Pilate's reign was from 26AD to 36AD there is a clear 30 years difference between their regimes.

Herod ruled while Jesus was born while Pilate ruled during the period of his death. Both never ruled during his birth like your gospel of barnabas errornously want us to believe. So for someone who claimed to be an eye witness to commit such historic blunder casts a serious doubt on his claims.

Yes I refer to him as "A Barnabas" because this so called Barnabas can't be same as. Paul's companion.

truthman2012:
Contrary to what we are told that Islam is fast growing, Muslims are being saved by Jesus Christ in millions everyday.

https://muslimstatistics./2012/12/14/al-jazeerah-6-million-muslims-convert-to-christianity-in-africa-each-year/

DeathStroke007:
YOUR LOSS.. YOU THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND PLAIN WORD SAID BY JESUS THAT I WILL BE ARGUING WITH.. NEVER THE LESS, I HAVE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS.. SEEMS MY ANSWERS HIT YOUR SOFT POINT. I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU RANTING... PAINED.. ANY SINGLE RUBBISH YOU POST ABOUT ISLAM, I WILL ALWAYS DISMANTLE IT

tartar9:
better than transferring my sins to someone else

DeathStroke007:
I have cross checked it.. the first Quran verse you quoted is correct.. now onto the explanation rationally.


The verses means cover Not your private part from whom you are legally married with.. and NOT from slaves or Captives that your RIGHT HAND possess..



you will see i capitalized the right hand... from your own understanding and educational background... what does right hand literary means?? Now contextually, what does right hand means in this verse?


does that right hand has anything related to rape according to the context?...



#am awaiting your answer#

DeathStroke007:
now.. before i cross check those Quran verses... cross check it first... if there's any changed word from the verse... I will invoke the wrath of Allah on you..

hockeyoilers:
She is incorrect on many levels.

Ra.ping of female slaves is forbidden in Islam.
Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"

malvisguy212:
In Islam sins are mistakes which you do,
and by saying sorry to God He will forgive you. In addition our good deeds take away our bad deeds (sura 11:114) - but if a man rapes a woman then builds a mosque, how can this restore honour to the woman? It is little incentive to do good.

Sin dishonours the King of Kings and
since according to islam, we are God's slaves (sura 19:30) we must respect Him and accept punishment for dishonoring Him. It does not matter whether we have committed many or few sins - a small stone is just as likely to sink in the sea as a big one because they both share a stony nature. In the operating theatre it does not matter whether the scalpel has been contaminated by one germ or millions, it is no longer sterile. The penalty for sin is death (Ezk 18:4, Rom 6:23) and God cannot lie (Num 23:19, Rom 3:4).

Everything on earth must perish, and
flesh and blood cannot inherit the
Kingdom of God (I Cor 15:50); only God lasts for ever (sura 55:26-27).Atonement is therefore necessary because we are not good enough to earn a place in Heaven by our own merits.

God has decreed that the life of an animal is in its BLOOD (Lev 17:10) and the institution of animal sacrifices is a visual aid to understand atonement -
without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins (Heb 9:22).

The question remains, how can the blood of a perishable lamb redeem a human, who is also perishable (Heb 9:9,
10:1,10:3) - perishable cannot inherit the imperishable. The only blood which truly has power to take away sins is IMPERISHABLE BLOOD, and if God incarnate in human flesh He would have IMPERISHABLE BLOOD , which alone is sufficient to take away the sins of the world once and for ALL (John 1:29).

WHAT'S THE QURAN SAY ABOUT SIN ATONMENT ?
There are two important clues in the
Qur'an to this.In sura 5:27 we learn that Abel's sacrifice (of BLOOD, Gen 4:4) was accepted by God whereas Cain's sacrifice (vegetables, Gen 4:3) was not sufficient.
Secondly in 37:107 we read that Abraham's son(Isaac/ishmael) was 'ransomed by a momentous sacrifice', referring to the substitution by God of a ram instead of the boy in Gen 22:13-14. The question is :

Why was it necessary for God to provide
a substitute to SAVE THE BOY LIFE ?

More importantly, why was the ram
described as momentous (Arabic al-
Azzim - this is one of the ninety-nine
Names of God in the Qur'an). How could
a ram be greater than a human being,
unless it was a representation of an
altogether greater sacrifice to come, that
of Jesus Christ?

delishpot:
Thousands of serbs were killed in that same war too and no one talks about them. Rather we only hear about the bosnian side. Why are you this deceptive? So upon all the media coverage only the blsnian side gets. You still come to lie that the world did not take notice? Why then did the US bomb serbia?
I have noticed 1 thing. No mater howmuch people march in the street to say no to war on terror, to say let iraq be, to say bring back our soldiers, when tne typical bad moslem wants to commit his evil deed he will claim the world kept quiete when his people were attacked thus he will kill anything and anyone of his percieved enemy.
I weep for tbe world. Man is slowly but surely destroying our world with religion as a key weapon

malvisguy212:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 427: Narrated ‘Aisha and ‘Abdullah bin ‘Abbas: When the last moment of the life of Allah’s Apostle came he started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said , “May Allah CURSE the Jews and Christians for THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” even in his dying breath, uttered curses. Please recall Muhammad’s reason for cursing the Jews and the Christians. He said, “FOR THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” We will now address this accusation of Muhammad. We will look at the facts recorded in the Bible. Moses and Jesus ,they are very important to the Jews, Moses to Judaism and Jesus to Christianity. As stated in Deuteronomy 34:5-6, God himself buried Moses to an undisclosed place and to Jesus,God removed His body. committing. Meaning it prevented both christians and Jews from being enticed to make pilgrimages or pay homage to such sites. It protected them from creature- worship. In contrast, what did the Muslims do with Muhammad’s tomb after his death? Muslims built a mosque on his tomb. His grave became a place for Muslim pilgrims to visit in Medina annually. The Prophet’s tomb at Medina is, after Mecca, the site most venerated by Muslims. It is visited with reverence in the hearts of the faithful. Ironically, these Muslims fell into the very class of people, upon whom Muhammad beseeched Allah’s curse. Unlike Jehovah, Allah did not have the wisdom or the insight to prevent the causes that could lead to creature- worship among his worshippers. The 12th century work by Qadi Iyad is highly accepted throughout the Muslim world. Al-Qadi Iyadibn Musa al-Yahsubi (1083 C.E.-1149 C.E.) wrote in his book Al-Shifa’: “Visiting his grave is part of the Sunna and is both excellent and desirable. Ibn `Umar said that the Prophet said, ‘My shafa’at (intercession on the Day of Qiyamah) is Waajib (incumbent upon me to intercede) FOR THE ONE WHO VISIT MY GRAVE.’”

malvisguy212:
by the time quran 16:89 was revealed, more verses were yet to be revealed, does it mean since quran 16:89 say the book was complete, no need to revealed others passages ? This hadith was clearly understood , muhammed wanted to write a documents that will guide the muslims not to go astray, he died with this revelation.

niyi123:
ode, so after life wont there be death.

MarieSucre:
The following people are the reason why our society will not progress.

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Basic123:
you are a typical example of patient with cerebral invertus....All what you have written are they even logical?...Allah that sent Muhammad put him in hell fire!...Do you think muslims are as daft like you that claimed God become human being to be killed by the same set of people He created.Not only that,he was even praying to a God while on the cross.Which God?...himself ? his senior in divinity?....