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daretodiffer:
Did you?

"I believe that there is no god/God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet."

I accept the terms but I did not regards muhammed as a prophet. I believe he is self proclaimed prophet.

daretodiffer:
You are in our space. Wet don't want you. You have no right to be here, I do

I accept the terms and conditions, so I have the right to be here.

daretodiffer:
Ode!

It says Islam section. I have every right to be here and you don't.

you said I should not mention you, but you are the first to quote me, are you afraid to discuss religion with me ?

daretodiffer:
Bla bla bla

Aren't you stu..pid?

Get off my mentions, I am not a gentle soul at all

get off your mention ? Who tag you here ? Please close the door when living. Thank you.

golpen:
Leave this matter if you can't defend it now! Chai! Lol...

Prophet Muhammad S. A. W, did not mention that your scripture preaches that,but as you and I know, you Christians have engaged in acts in which the bible never prescribed to you. It is that particular act that your church and the popes perpetrate, that he condemned and war Muslims against it.

So you want to start classifying popes and prophets? You're very funny my brother... Hahaha

if I accused you of something, you will have to provide evidence from my book that I did it, so were in the bible that christians and Jews are guilty of this accusations?

DeathStroke007:
word of advice.. never venture into what you have knowledge not in.


do you have in depth knowledge on grave matters in islam??

let me say i accept your claims. if expansion of mosque is needed, Prophet Muhammad grave would have to be moved to another place
.
since the grave is moved, it's no longer a grave site.. and mosque can be expanded .. do you understand?

if you know who you are charting with, you will not ask such question. If muhammed should accused the christians and Jews of nothing they know about , it mean he lied , God prophet do not lie.

daretodiffer:
Yes

And Christians and atheists and...

You will have to provide proof that he successfully curse christians and Jews.

DeathStroke007:
wiki again.. laughing.. wahala wa o..




so you saying mosque is built on grave of Prophet Muhammad?


you be fool of life..


go YouTube and watch makkah mosque video.. you will see where Prophet Muhammad tomb is.. barricade in golden bars..

oh, so now wiki is lying ? But you guys always paste wikipedia as source. The Saudi government plan to remove tomb
of Prophet Muhammad, why ?

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/alarm-over-saudi-plan-remove-remains-prophet-muhammad-64572685
The plans, according to the Independent
newspaper have been circulating the al-
Masjid al-Nabawi mosque in Medina
which houses the Prophet’s remains
under the Green Dome which is visited
by millions of pilgrims each year and is
regarded as the second holiest site in
Islam after the Kabbah.

golpen:
Now you are talking.... Read for yourself bro

http://ivarfjeld.com/2013/07/24/dead-pope-kept-in-open-air-after-earthquake/

you must be joking, right ?it is either you or muhammed don't understand the office of prophet and pope. And were in the bible it encourage such acts ? Were did muhammed got the information from that christians and Jews commit such acts ?

DeathStroke007:
Mr Man, you ask a good question... Muslims are allowed to visit grave but not to worship grave nor build mosque on grave.


mecca masjid wasn't built on Prophet Muhammad grave. satisfied?

After an expansion (mosque) during the reign of
the Umayyad caliph al-Walid I, it now
incorporates the final resting place of
Muhammad and the first two Rashidun
caliphs Abu Bakr and Umar.[4] One of
the most notable features of the site is
the Green Dome in the south-east corner
of the mosque,[5] originally Aisha's
house,[4] where the tomb of Muhammad
is located.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Masjid_an-Nabawi

golpen:
I asked you to seek for an example and I will gladly provide, but you are scared so I don't expose you... Lol

Maybe you already have one in mind sef. Hahaha. Funny Christians.

what kind of example ? Provide it let us see.

golpen:
That is the problem with Christianity. The concept of God is so human, that you Bible thinks God rested and got refreshed, that He is in human image, that He was fought and won, and that He created human without knowing the implications of doing so. See, the prophet told us, in his hadith that before God created the world, He already placed His mercy over his wrath. God never regrets, like the bible tells you. He knows human will sin and He already made laws and ways for forgiveness.

Another pro blew is that apart from the fallacies of the Bible, the church itself have fabricated some innovated doctrines that was not found in the bible. Paul actually saw to that part and passed it on. The true disciples of Jesus, Matthew, Mark, luke, John, never mentioned to us that Jesus would die for humans sins, despite that they were his disciples at that period. Paul fabricated that part and I'll be glad if you can show me where Jesus unambiguously said he came to die for our sins. Tell me also where he asked us to accept him as our Lord and saviour.

NO, you have canal knowledge of God word, God did not rest, He cease to create, that what the text say , check the Hebrew meaning before saying trash. Before the world began, God has design His plan of salvation.

golpen:
I gave you a narration attesting to the fact and I hope you read it well. That which you quoted is from sahih bukhari and the narration I sent you is an explanation of the hadith, the reason why the act is bad. The narration has confirmed that it is true. So tell me what you want asides that. Ask for an a traceable example, I'll gladly give you one.

what So what you quote was not a hadith but an explanation of the hadith the op quote ? Wow, I don't know what to say, that explanation (someone opinion) was invalid because their was no source (proof) were the christians and Jews worship at dead prophet tomb. Anyway thank you for your effort, I appreciate your effort of trying to cover a lie.

Speechless3:
I think the real enemy is from within.

Yes, our earthly possessions are temporary and should always come secondary to the things of God. We are not saying two things.

alright.

golpen:
You quoted from an hadith and you want a proof from an hadith again? What am I doing here? Lol... You wanted a proof that Christians practise this acts and I gave you a narration. But you want what again?

You're very funny my brother... Lol...

alright, let me put it this way, how do you know the christians and Jews build temple at dead prophet tomb ? Because the hadith say so ?

What is the name of the hadith ?

plaetton:
I stand corrected.
For all religions and faith operate in the same way. Same part of the brain is responsible.
So Christianity represents the entire gamut of religious behaviour.

The christian Faith is different from the rest religion. Because everybody believe in God mean they all have the same faith. Why did the bible say Faith ALONE cannot save you ? Because the bible want you to be sure of what you believe and active truth in it.

plaetton:
Every statistic shows that atheists are in the far minority in almost every country .
I personally think that the opposite is the case.

Millions of christians all over the world will head to church today to recharge their faith, their commitment to their beliefs.
In both the older and new generation churches, the faithful would find other reasons to attend one or several church services during the weekdays.

So it's quite obvious that faith is not just holding a set of beliefs, but is actually a commitment to holding such beliefs.
As such, protecting the belief itself, from oneself, becomes the primary duty and preoccupation of the faithful.


Given the fact that christians come on this forum, and in fact every public forum, to promote and sell the veracity of their beliefs, I cannot but wonder why things that they accept with absolute certainty needs to be repeated, regurgitated and recharged every so often.

Who are the faithful afraid of?
Atheists?
Satan?
Or themselves?

Can atheists ever rob you of your absolute truth?
Can Satan ever rob you of your absolute truths?

I mean, you believe with certainty that god exists. So does the Sun, so does gravity, so does ultra violet radiation. So what is the big deal ?

Do I need to recharge my belief in gravity every single day? If I did that, wouldn't that be a sign that perhaps I am bit doubtful?

I find it hilarious that the same people who actively promote the belief that god and Jesus exist also promote the regular and necessary recharge of such beliefs.

For example, what would happen to a christian if he or she ceases to go to church or fellowship for recharge?
Would the faith battery die off?
If the faith dies or diminishes, then what happens to the absolute truths held ?
Do they remain truths or do they reconfigure and die off ?

Cc: kingebukasblog, winner01

one truth from the op, atheism and satanic are one, you are using the both to attack the believers. Atheists cannot have problem with faith just as you don't have problem with satan.

golpen:
`Aa`ishah tells us that Um Salamah
informed her that she had told the
Prophet about a church in Abyssinia
which she saw when she migrated there
with her husband in which there were
images. The Prophet then explained to
her the significance of what she had
seen: That the Christians, when a pious
man from among them died, would build
an edifice over his grave and place his
image in it in order to remember him and
be inspired by his piety; and he added
that these people were the worst of
people in the sight of Allah because they
had combined two sins: (i) The sin of
building over graves which may lead
eventually to the worship of their
occupants; and (ii) the sin of making
images of living creatures which may also
lead to worship of those images when the
original purpose of their making has been
forgotten.

As you can see from the text above, it was a confirmed fact, that Christians and Jews. Make your findings before in truth and open mind, and don't lie if it is true. Or I'll give you an example incase you don't know.

you fail woefully, you cannot bring proved from the hadith or quran ,NO one will take you serious. bring proof from the scripture that indicate muhammed accusing the Jews and christians were true. What is the name of that hadith ?

golpen:
This is not logical brother. So out of other penalties of registering the seriousness of sin, it is a man that has to die. This is what the church preaches to make sin and forgiveness look like that easy.

But no matter how you paint it, it still doesn't make sense. The concept of forgiveness is when you forgo an incident without taking punishments or sacrifices. God is more loving than that and at the same time, fire in punishment. Anything sense of forgiveness, requiring more than that is not forgiveness actually.

And the is why there are laws. Laws which Jesus himself claimed not to have come to erase, but to fulfil. In the ancient romantic empire, which was ruled by popes and bishops, the Christian government have not forgiven people based on the blood of christ. Sins were punished as regards to the Christian laws. So where is was the blood of christ? Stop living in deceit.

Ezekiel 18:20

The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not
suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the
father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The
righteousness of the righteous shall be upon
himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall
be upon himself.

Galatians 6:7

DO NOT BE DECEIVED MY BROTHER: God is not mocked, for
whatever one sows, that will he also reap.

listen! The penalty of sin are not paid by us, it is God Himself who reconcile us to Himself, "be perfect" name ONE person the law has made him to be perfect, you cannot decide for God , God does, and the only way is the remission of sin.

John 1:29
"The lamb of God Who takes away
the sins of the world"

God created a perfect world and placed the first humans, Adam and Eve in it, telling them they could eat anything except the fruit of "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil," warning them that if they ate it "you will surely die," and what happened? Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate the "forbidden fruit," and death entered the world through this first sin, with Adam and Eve, and all humans since then dying.Under the Old Covenant, the Jews of that time sacrificed animals, seeking
to atone ("become reconciled to the God their sin had separated and alienated them from", but this didn't cure the problem, the human problem being the problem of the human heart, the Old Testament saying,

Jeremiah 17:9
"The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?

So God instituted a new Covenant by
sending His dearly loved Son Jesus, to
be the sinners all-sufficient Saviour,
by dying a hideous death by crucifixion, and as He said He would, He "did death to death" by rising to eternal life from the dead, that eternal life being promised to all who will trust Him to give it to them. So, the death that Adam, the first man, brought into the world, has been defeated by Jesus, who the New Testament of the Bible figuratively
refers to as "the second or the last Adam," this second or last Adam bringing life to those who trust Him,

golpen:
I quoted for you a verse to treat, you are quoting another one. Maybe that verse is calling my own verse a liar. No wahala. But the verse I quoted says Jesus is the god that was said to have died.

But i have answered you so well and you stylishly running off my own question.

Why must Jesus die before you are forgiven?

why are you ignoring my question ? Did muhammed lie ? Bring proof, were did he got the idea from ?

golpen:
Why must Jesus die before you are forgiven?

the bible say God is HOLY and perfect His he, the bible also say "be ye Holy,for I am Holy. Now ,uptil the days of the prophets TILL now, has anyone ever boast that through keeping of the law, he his perfect and Holy ? God made it very clear, before Adam's first sin, that the consequence of sin is
death (spiritual death) , and that is repeated throughout the Bible, because of the sinful choice that Adam made.


Romans 5:12
"sin entered into the world, and
death by sin; and so death passed
upon all men, for that all have
sinned:"

The life of a man is in His blood. it being estimated that in the 1,000 years of the old covenant, one million animal sacrifices were made, and why? What
does the Old Testament Scripture say?

Leviticus 17:11
"For the LIFE OF THE BODY IS IN ITS
BLOOD. I have given you the blood
on the altar to purify you, making
you right with the Lord. It is the
blood, given in exchange for a life,
that makes purification possible."

if animal sacrifices could take away sin, why did they have to be repeated again and again and again ?

Hebrews 10:3
"But those sacrifices are an annual
reminder of sins, because it is
impossible for the blood of bulls
and goats to take away sins."

God will not just ignored sin and take it unserious, just forgiving it without penalty" which would compromise His own holiness.

Yes, the old requirement about the priesthood was set aside because it was weak and useless. For the law never made anything perfect. But now we have confidence in a better hope, through which we draw near to God… There were many priests under the old system, for death prevented them from
remaining in office. But because Jesus lives forever, His priesthood lasts forever. Therefore He is able, once and forever, to save those who come to God through Him. He lives forever to intercede with God on their behalf.

Speechless3:
There is something about it that i cant place my finger on; To indulge in it is to defile conscience and to keep mute is to encourage it.

The soberness of the gospels and the other books point to a life of moderation, piety and careful attendance to the things of God which are eternal. They speak of a life of abundance, of glory not in material things possessed but in things possessed in Christ. In short if we are sincere, there is a cry for everyman to be aware of the snares of riches and the endearing need to be content; cos where comes the root of all evil?

You that is mad when people debunk your "health, wealth, prosperity" gospel why are you mad? Are you mad because God is mad or because you are afraid to lack? Search your conscience! Would Jesus say its easier for an elephant to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to make heaven? Oh my he did say. Consider the impossibility of an elephant having a feat like that not to talk of your rich daddy! the probability is 0.00. How do you manage that? To clarify, God does not hate rich people neither would he bar them from his home but he hates the lust of riches. If there is anything the prosperity gospel centres on it is lust for wealth and more wealth and more wealth.

Now if you were just a motivational speaker, encouraging people to seek wealth and a better life here, you may be forgiven but to have the guts, the audacity, the impetus to preach it as the gospel is to write your name in the book of death with a permanent marker.

you are right in some aspects, but being rich cannot take you to hell, the devil can only use it against you if you don't know your responsibility. Our earthly possessions aren’t inherently sinful, but they are temporary. What I really mean by temporary is that If we are carrying all of our possessions with us and are unwilling to lay them down for the sake of other as stated in Matthew 19, we will not be able to inherit the kingdom of God.

VomeSchakleton:
whats that word you like to spew again... trash!

ezeauditore. changing moniker when you have been exposed.

VomeSchakleton:
Oooh Malvis, you and I both know youre too ignorant to enlighten anyone, let alone yourself.

trash. Lord is a title given to whoever inherit a throne. But the scripture say , God the father gave Him a NAME above ALL names, the name is LORD.

hockeyoilers:
Jesus (pbuh) said; “No one has seen God at any time.” [John 1:18]

so what your point ? Have you seen God ?

VomeSchakleton:
i can quote multiple verses that refute your ignorant claims malvis but lets play a game of logic.

do you know why you never kill a messenger of any sorts?

explained why muhammed command you to obey him and his god allah. That's all I want.

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY PROPHET
WHO IS CALLED THE “WORD OF GOD”

Surah 3:45: Behold! The angels said:
“O Mary! Allah giveth Thee glad
tidings of a WORD FROM HIM : his
name will be Christ Jesus. The son
of Mary, held in honor in this world
and the Hereafter and of (the
company of) those nearest to
Allah;” (Yusuf Ali)

Surah 4:171: “Christ Jesus the son of
Mary was (no more than) an apostle
of God, and HIS WORD, which he
bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit
proceeding from him: so believe in
God and His apostles.” (Yusuf Ali)

In Surah 4:171, Jesus is called, “His Word.” And in Surah 3:45 the Qur’an
states that Allah gave Mary a glad tidings “of a Word from Him.” In the original Arabic, the expression used here is “kalimatim-minhu.” It means kalmia (word), min (from), hu (him). It is of vital importance for Muslims to note that Jesus is the only Prophet who ever lived, who is called a Word from God.
Centuries before the Qur’an came into
existence, this same title was given to
Jesus in the Bible:

John 1:14: “And the Word became
flesh and made is dwelling among
us. We have seen his glory, the glory
of the one and only Son who came
from the father, and he was full of
undeserved kindness and truth.”

Revelation 19:13: “…the name by
which he is called is the Word of
God.”

But why is Jesus called the “Word of God”? In view of the fact that the Qur’an
attributes this title to Jesus without
explanation, it is in the Bible that we find the ultimate meaning of this term. He is designated as such not only during his life here on earth but also during his pre-human spirit existence in heaven. Furthermore, the Bible book of
Revelation reveals that even after his
heavenly resurrection, Jesus is still
known as the “Word of God.” Biblical
titles often describe the function served
or the duty performed by the bearer. For instance, in Exodus 4:16, it is stated that God made Aaron the “mouth” or the “spokesman” of Moses, saying:

“He must speak for you to the people;
and it must occur that he will serve as
a mouth to you, and you will serve as
God to him.”

In a similar way Jesus served as the
Mouth, or Spokesman, for his Father, the great King of Eternity. He was God’s Word of communication for conveying
information and instructions to the
worshippers of God here on earth. Prior
to Jesus’ coming to earth, on many of the occasions when God communicated with humans he used Jesus as his angelic mouthpiece. Showing that Jesus
continues to serve as his Father’s
Spokesman, or Word, Jesus told his
listeners:

John 12:49-50: “I have not spoken out
of my own impulse, but the Father
himself who sent me has given me a
commandment as to what to tell and
what to speak….Therefore the things I
speak, just as the Father has told me
them, so I speak them.”

The ascriptions “His Word” and “a Word
from Him” are unique in the Qur’an. In
spite of all appearances of reverence
towards the person of Christ, Muslim
apologists secretly view him as a rival to
the grandeur of Muhammad. Therefore,
it should not surprise us when they try to simplify the profound and unique titles of Jesus Christ.

hockeyoilers:
Jesus never was God, and never will be. In the Bible, God declares: “Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.” (Isaiah 43:10).

but muhammed and allah are partner

"O you who believe! Obey Allaah and
His Messenger, and turn not away from
him (i.e. Messenger Muhammad (sal-
Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) while you
are hearing. And be not like those who
say: 'We have heard,' but they hear
not." [Soorah al-Anfaal (:20-21]

VomeSchakleton:
Who do you send if not a messenger?

and muhammed say you should obey him and allah.

"O you who believe! Obey Allaah and
His Messenger, and turn not away from
him (i.e. Messenger Muhammad (sal-
Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) while you
are hearing. And be not like those who
say: 'We have heard,' but they hear
not." [Soorah al-Anfaal (:20-21]

Muhammed is partner to allah.

hockeyoilers:
“We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus...” (Acts 5:29-30).

yes, who say we should obey man rather than God ?

hockeyoilers:
Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels

‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)

Hebrews 2:9
But we do see Jesus, who was made
lower than the angels for A LITTLE WHILE ,now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

The context is "Jesus Made Like His Brothers" this is a temporary humiliation of Jesus of what He go through prior to His death, compear it with this psalm about Jesus death:

Psalm 21:3
For thou preventest him with the
blessings of goodness: thou settest a
crown of pure gold on his head.

hockeyoilers:
When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said

‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)
The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.
‘they raised their voices together in prayer to God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)
‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)
‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)
‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)

Philippians 2:5-11
5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in VERY NATURE [a] God,
did not consider equality with God
something to be used to his own
advantage;
7 rather, HE MADE HIMSELF NOTHING
BY TAKING THE VERY NATURE OF A SERVANT [ b] ,being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee
should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.