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hockeyoilers:
'Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, For example:

1) property owners (Matt. 20:8
2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)
3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)
4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt. 21:30)
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)

VomeSchakleton:
The bible actually says this and these re.tards still think Jesus is the son of god??

malvisguy212:
who say God is a man ?
God cannot lie, He cannot break His promise,He cannot change His purpose. Jesus is sinless, He is God.

VomeSchakleton:
The bible actually says this and these re.tards still think Jesus is the son of god??

hockeyoilers:
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)

AdeniyiA:
does our physical demo or action have anything to do with the effectiveness of our prayers...
In order words, are my prayers not effective if I refuse to jump, lie down, beat the air etc??

Timoleon:
even cultists call themselves brethren as in brotherhood...so?

Bollinger:
I wonder why you don't have a thousand likes for that logical post? Anyway to add to it, if a man is born in a remote area of the world and he has never heard of Jesus but lives a pious and good life, are we saying that when he dies he will automatically go to hell? That makes absolutely no sense at all considering that the bible says one must accept Jesus and be born again to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

cold:
Isn't this how pastors make their money? Play on people's fears,act all clairvoyant and of course throw in the hell angle for effect. We've seen this play out so many times it's become clichèd.

misspresident:
yes of course. christian mean christ followers.

dalaman:
Which proof did you provide?

malvisguy212:
if you answer my question, then you will be clear on faith, is doubt the opposite of faith?
The book of job is the oldest book in the bible, even older than the book of Genesis, there are amazing claims in the book of job that we cannot ignored , things ONLY God could've known.
Job 38:16 Hast thou entered into the
springs of the sea? or hast thou walked
in the search of the depth?
We didn’t “walk in search of the depth [of the sea]“, I.E.,the deepest part of the
ocean, until 1875 when we discovered
the deepest point on Earth, the Challenger Deep in the Marianas Trench
(although we weren’t sure it was the
deepest point until much later). We
didn’t fully survey it until 1951. We didn’t actually “walk” in it until 1960!
But how does this prove the existence of
God?Simply the fact that in most ancient
cultures, the ocean HAD no bottom! The
Greek word abyss, used for the deep
ocean, literally means “bottomless”! And
3500 years ago, only God could have
known with such certainty that the ocean did in fact have a “depth”!!
Furthermore, in the same verse, a
completely separate proof exists; for to
the ancient mind, the idea of a “spring”
in the midst of the sea was unthinkable
and illogical. Why would there be water
pouring INTO the sea from underground
– the sea is where water came from! And mankind for all his technological
achievements didn’t discover underwater springs until 1949 – A.D.! Almost four millennium after Job was written! And even then, it wasn’t confirmed until 1960, and it wasn’t until 1979 that human beings first saw deep-sea springs with their own eyes! No one but God could possibly have known they existed four thousand years ago!
Job 38:18 Hast thou perceived the
breadth of the earth? declare if thou
knowest it all.
Man didn’t measure the circumference
(“breadth”) of the Earth with even remote accuracy until Eratosthenes did it in about 240 BC. But God knew exactly how large it was. For He sits “above the circle of it”.
Job 38:19 Where is the way where light
dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is
the place thereof, Until roughly the time of Newton, no one knew that there was a “way” where light “dwells” – that is, a direction where light comes from. Photons, the particles that carry and, for all practical purposes, are light, weren’t discovered until Einstein. The ancient Greeks, arguably the most scientifically advanced of the ancient cultures, believed what we perceived as light was actually “feeling rays” sent by the eye to “look” at the objects, which reflected them and made a picture. None of the Greeks seemed to realize that the idea begged the question of why we couldn’t see in the dark. And they had had the clearest ideas on light to date! Well… except for what God wrote in Job, a thousand years before. Only God knew
there was a place where light came from 4,000 years ago. No one really hit on the right idea – except in Job – until about 1000 A.D when the Arabic mathematician Alhazen realized the flaws in the Greek thinking. And it took another 500 years for his ideas to influence Europe through men like Galileo and Newton. And we didn’t REALLY start to understand it until a
century ago.
http://thesimpleanswers.com/2009/08/08/does-god-exist/

dalaman:
Which proof did you provide?

malvisguy212:
nice

malvisguy212:
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malvisguy212:
Justification is the concept that provides
our belief with the assuredness of its
truth. People believe things for reasons,
which provide the warrant for their belief.Without these reasons,you do not have knowledge of what you believe. If a belief is JUSTIFIED, then we have the right to believe it. Atheists got it wrong, there view was; " since you cannot know something with 100% certainty, you cannot obtain the truth (or knowledge), you just have to believe ,God did it". The bible say otherwise, in Isaiah 1:18 God is calling human to "come and let us REASON together"

This brief journey into obtaining knowledge of what you belief was done in order to show the relationship between FAITH,BELIEF AND TRUTH . Christianity requires faith, faith requires
belief, and belief requires TRUTH.This is not just a mere belief but rather a trust that is characterized as knowledge.


Notice how Paul incorporates all three of these elements in his letter to the
Romans, “if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). You cannot "confess with your mouth" without knowing the truth.

No matter how hard I try, I cannot make myself believe that there is a pink elephant in the room right now. I do not have direct free will over my beliefs, i.e. I can’t make myself believe something. I also cannot just tell people what to believe or exhort them to believe it. But if I don’t have free will over my beliefs, how can the Bible hold me responsible for them? The answer lies in the fact that I do have responsibility as to where I choose to focus my mind. I have free choice in body movements and where to place my attention (what you choose to think about). I have to choose to be preoccupied with something to change my belief or increase my certainty in that belief .Faith in the biblical sense means trust or confidence, confident in what we know to be TRUE. You do not have to be 100% certain in a belief for it to count as knowledge.

The bible say faith alone cannot save , why? because what you have faith in
must be TRUE, Biblical faith is accurate knowledge combined with ACTIVE TRUST Faith and knowledge are not opposed to each other. So Trusting faith alone does NOT save, but instead what is trusted MUST be true.

The faith Jesus had was not an absence of knowledge, but was based upon an intimate knowledge of his Father. We too can gain knowledge to make our faith richer.

golpen:
Isaiah 9:6 says;

For to us a child is born, to us a son is
given, and the government will be on his
shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful
Counselor, Mighty God , Everlasting Father,
Prince of Peace.

So it's is said in Christianity that Jesus is God. So if He died, then it means God died. (audhubillah). What a blasphemy!

golpen:
Chai my brother! You can twist o!

Okay that verse up there means that, if you avoid great sins, by doing so, Allah shall remit you... I know this is where you have a language problem. Remitting in this sense means He shall remove you or better put, guide you or prevent you from the small ones, in order that you enter paradise. This doesn't mean that small sins are not counted.

But my question is that, why must Jesus die on the cross before xtians are forgiven? But you're stylishly declining.

golpen:
I wonder where you get your 'great sin small sin' from the verses you quoted and I have taken my time to explain to you.

And the question is not what is or not a sin. The question is how can sins be forgiven?

Is it by righting your wrongs and then seeking forgiveness from God? Or

Someone has to die so you can be forgiven?

golpen:
Are you a Christian? Do you believe that Jesus is God? That is what Christianity preaches.

But why are you declining to answer my own questions?

OLAJADON:
i told you before stop insulting God how can you say he dwell in flesh it does not befit him
GET THIS CLEAR YOUR CREATOR IS SUPREME HE DOES NOT DWELL IN FLESH THAT AN INSULT AND HE DID NOT DIE FOR YOUR SIN
I think you just havd a stone heart, let me ask you this IF I TEAR THIS FIRST AND LAST PAGE IN YOUR HOLY BOOK THAT THEY WROTE BIBLE ....TELL ME WHAT ELSE CAN INDICATE THAT AM HOLDING A BIBLE?
GLADLY WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY AND PLEASE I NEED BIBLE VERSES TO PROVE YOUR POINT NOT EXPLANATION

golpen:
I've not even gone to the fact that xtian say God died. Don't jump too fast.

Even if Jesus, the son died, it still doesn't make sense that God allows His son to die, in order for Him to forgive the human race. That's not forgiveness.

golpen:
Why are you mistranslating? You understand English my brother. The verse you quoted up there is clear enough, to say that sinners that are unrepentant will reap the fruits of their sins. No greater or small sins is talked about.



This verse is talking of the adversities that the sin you commit against yourself or any other has on you. Then the second part of the verse explains how sin is forgiven in Islam. Make right what you've done wrong and then benefit from the mercies of Allah by seeking forgiveness, lobatan. Not that someone has to die.



This means that you can't cleanse filth with filth. That's simple logic, and likewise, you can't cleanse a sin with someone's blood. That's idolatry.



See my brother, Islam is a religion that encompasses every aspect of human life. Imagine you are sleeping on your bed and someone comes to pee on you. In Islam, we should also respect animals. Asides that, there are spiritual implications but I want to keep it logical.

I stand to say that the concept of sin and forgiveness in Islam is more logical and better than any of other religions.

I still have my questions please answer them as I have answered yours. Thanks.

golpen:
Can I quote biblical references? The most famous quote of the Bible of course! John 3:16 "for God so loves the world, that He gave His only begotten son and whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life"

golpen:
Can I quote biblical references? The most famous quote of the Bible of course! John 3:16 "for God so loves the world, that He gave His only begotten son and whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life"

This biblical reference above depicts that the reason for the acclaimed death of jesus is that sins may be forgiven. That is why I asked the question, if you believe Jesus was the son of God, why should someone sin against me and in order to forgive that person, I have to kill my own son?

Firstly, it doesn't make sense, and it would never happen. Secondly, it means their isn't forgiveness. Forgiveness is when you offend me and I let go without taking my retaliation from you or anyone else,so if someone has to die before humans are forgiven, then that's not forgiveness. That's retaliation.

And then I'll ask you to let us leave it at this, because if you should go forward to explain trinity to me, you're going to shoot yourself in the leg and enter into more poo.

golpen:
And kill himself to in order to forgive you?

Why must someone die, so you can be forgiven? Can't God just forgive you?

OLAJADON:
i believe in jesus sir, he is just not my lord or personal saviour.

OLAJADON:
please prove it to me better still convince me and i promisd to join your religion infact i will attend the same church you attend.

OLAJADON:
You said the disciple never called themselves christians then why do you call yourselves that? are you even a follower of jesus? bcoz i am coz i bliv in him

Goahead:
I've edited all the posts... Your question is pretty unnecessary, as I've already rebuked whatever that prompted me.

OLAJADON:
furthermore from your link i should conclude that this occur after jesus death mate 300 or 400 years after he gone.....
is it not funny to you let me use an example:- imagine u were the son of god like u said jesus is then years after your enemies death some people claiming to be you follower now start bearing malvisguy2ians or malvisguy2saint or malvisguy2thecalled or whatever it is....is that not pure ignorance did you send them to bear that name? was that part of your teaching?
it is only a gullible or ignorant muslim you can convince with all this point you are postulating

urahara:
Says the guy who believes in a talking snake and a man with 2.3kg of hair on his head. Mtchew. Fool for Christ.

OLAJADON:
moreover if it is the pagans that invented the word christian or saint or what ever you call it, i think it is a more reason why you guys shouldnt call yourselves that.

urahara:
You are truly an idiot among all idiots. I didn't insult you bot you called me a fool. Your biblical childish God knew the talking snake would truck her but he still allowed it to be there. He knew the Prophet would trick him but still allowed him to have his way

urahara:
These verses don't say free will is wrong. They just point out that the biblical God is anti free will