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Kirigidi:
Brethren, there is no need fool unnecessary arguments for Bible is always there for us to study nd undastnd. It is all left for u to either choose d truth nd b free, or indulge in self-deceiptn/falsehood. Even d Bible warned against foolish arguments! I just hav few questions for u to answer. If our Lord is d same Jehovah God Almighty: (1) why did Jesus himself said d Father(Jehovah) is greater than him(Jesus), nd dat d Father sent him JOHN14:28? Ar u sayin Jesus lie against himself? God forbid! (2) why did Isaiah42:1-10 calld Jesus d "Servant of God"? (3) who was Jesus referin to as his Father in heaven in MATTHEW18:10 & 19?

OLAJADON:
it a waste of time arguing with you and malvis.....my only prayer for the two of you is not to die an unbeliever...because if you do, YOUR PUNISHMENT WILL START FROM YOUR GRAVE.

OLAJADON:
that quranic verse you coated is trying to enlighten you that mohammed believe in what has been reveal before him i.e injeel torah, i cnt remember the last one.
mohammed believes in jesus and what have been reveal to jesus i.e torah not the fake bible you christians carry around
moreover even jesus confims that mohammed will come after him(get the main dialet language of bible hebrew or greek and read) ...when you having difficultly contact me.

OLAJADON:
you will get YOUR FULL EXPLANATION WHEN YOU answer my two questions in our previous conversation
AM TALKING ABOUT THE ONE OF HOLY SPIRIT AND THE OTHER ONE.....after that i willl tell you about the beauty of islam
p.s:- what even made you to do christianity, DNT TELL ME JESUS SAVED YOUR LIFE GIVE ME A REASONABLE REASON.
MASHA ALLAH

Kirigidi:
@Op. B careful nd mindful of wat u say concernin d faith, so dat u do not mislead pipo! U hav just exposd ur ignorance of d knwledge of truth of d Bible. I'm a Christian. I advice u go study d word of God diligently, prayerfuly nd spiritualy to knw d truth. Thru out d teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ in d NewTestament nowhere did d Lord Jesus claimd to b Jehovah God Almighty, neither did he equate himself wit God Almighty (Jehovah).

atoleybaba:
Jesus has beginning oooo.....he was d first born creation that is y d bible refers to him as d first born son of God.... He was dre when God created d oda angels and d heavens and earth that is y God often said "let us" john chapter 1 said the word(jesus) was with God and d word was a god(not d capital letter G people often mistake it to be) do ur research on that bible portion for better understanding browse for bible scholars and interpretation of d bible from Hebrew to English (first hand)

hockeyoilers:
"...Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:.." (Lk 24:19).

This is interesting, here we have luke calling Jesus (peace be upon him ) a prophet.

So who is lying luke or Jesus ( on whom be peace ) ?

malvisguy212:
In the Gospels, a rich, young man approached Jesus and said to him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus gave the infamous reply,“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.” This story is
found in Matthew, Mark, and Luke; critics of Jesus’ claims to deity often use it as ammunition in their case for a non-
divine Jesus. It seems, they argue, that
Jesus is denying deity here by refusing
the title ‘GOOD’ as it is something reserved solely for God. I contend that even a surface-level reading of this narrative does not even remotely support that conclusion.
I don’t see how Jesus’ clarification of
God’s nature is equivalent to him
denying deity. This is akin to someone
coming to me and calling me, “Dr. Paul.” I respond by saying, “Why do you call me
doctor? No man can be a doctor, only he
who holds a doctorate.”

I can either mean one of two things:

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I do not hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am not a doctor.


or…

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am a doctor.

By asking “Why do you call me doctor?”,
am I denying my title? Of course not. I
am simply clarifying what the title
means. I am neither validating nor
rejecting the title. In any case, I don’t
have a doctorate (yet!) but the point still
stands.

You can see how such reasoning is
completely absurd, and yet this is what
we see when critics use Jesus’ words in
this passage to try to show his non deity. Having said all of that, let’s have another look at what Jesus said in this passage.

He only said two statements:

1. Why do you call me good?
2. No one is good except God

The only piece of information that Jesus
gave is this: No one is good but God.
There are 2 ways to understand his
statement:

1. Only God is good.
2. I am not good.
3. Therefore, I am not God.

or

1. Only God is good.
2. I am good.
3. Therefore, I am God.

In this specific instance, from these
words alone, Jesus does make known to
us which of these he meant. It is both
ignorant and presumptive of anyone to
use this passage, alone, to argue for
Jesus’ non-deity. Why should the first
reading be the desirable one over the
second reading? Jesus’ statement that
only God is good does not, itself, tell us
whether he was affirming or denying
being God.

But if we keep reading, we find that
Jesus sheds some light on what he
meant. Jesus answers the man’s original
question about obtaining eternal life
with this“You know the commandments:

‘You shall not murder, you shall not
commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.'”

The man responds :”Teacher, I have kept all of these since I was a boy.”

Then Jesus finishes with: “One thing you
lack. Go, sell everything you have then
come, follow me.”

To summarize: In response to the man’s
question, “What must I do to gain eternal life?”, Jesus responds by telling him to
follow the commandments. But which
commandments does Jesus list?
Notice that Jesus only lists the
commandments that dealt with civil
affairs. The Ten Commandments of
Moses were divided into 2 parts: Laws on
dealing with God and Laws on dealing
with others. Respectively, these were the
moral and civil laws. Jesus names the
civil law for the young man and the
young man responds like any good Jew
would, These I have kept since I was
young.” The man was doing great on
keeping the civil law, but not so much
with the moral law. Instead of then
quoting the first four commandments to
the young man,the commandments that
dealt with man’s relationship with God, Jesus told the young man, “Sell your
possessions and follow me.” In other
words, “Your god is your money. Get rid
of that and follow me.” Jesus is equating
obeying the moral law with following
himself. The manner in which men can
obtain eternal life is by getting rid of the
false gods in their lives and following
Jesus , replacing them with him!
This claim is monumental! And it gives us
an answer to our initial dilemma. Did
Jesus deny or affirm his deity in asking,
“Why do you call me good?” I think the
answer is clear in light of the rest of that
conversation with the young man. Jesus
equated following himself with keeping
the moral law and obeying the
commandments that governed man’s
relationship with God. Thus, in bringing
up this passage as ammunition for a
non-divine Jesus, the critic shoots
himself in the foot by bringing to the
table a text in which Jesus clearly claims
deity.

hockeyoilers:
Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19)

hockeyoilers:
All four Gospels record Jesus peace be upon him as saying, "Blessed are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God."


To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the so called 'man-God 'Jesus peace be upon him. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?

Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh? During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings? If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose:

‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)

hockeyoilers:
If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself. Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God. Jesus worshipped the only true God

‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)

‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)

‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)

hockeyoilers:
Disciples did not believe Jesus was God

The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:

‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (Confirmed In Matthew 12:18)
‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)

haffaze777:
He think Allah is like his god who is a known deceiver according to his buybull, " O LORD, You have deceived me and I was deceived ; You have overcome me and prevailed. I have become a laughingstock all day long; everyone mocks me. " (Jeremiah 20:7)

haffaze777:
Did u ask me any questions?do u mean d one u ask without quoting any scriptures to back it

haffaze777:
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haffaze777:
We just have to leave dem to continue displaying dia stupidity afterall it's only Allah dat can guide ones to right path. how is everything jare

Scholar8200:
In the absence of comments shall we declare this thread closed?

MuttleyLaff:
Word up my brother,
No diggity, no doubt, you hit the nail on the head with the first, second and that pièce de résistance explanation. Thanks!

My dear brother, forgive me for not hailing you earlier and/or sooner

truthman2012:
There would not have been anything called islam today if Muhammad was bold enough to ask allahh some reasonable questions.

ALLAH SAID MUHAMMAD SHOULD CONFIRM QURANIC REVELATIONS FROM JEWS AND CHRISTIANS:

Allahh said Muhammad should ask the Jews and Christians if he was in doubt about what were being revealed to him:

And if thou
art in doubt concerning that
which We reveal unto thee,
then question those who read
the Scripture (that was) before
thee. Verily the Truth
from thy
Lord hath come unto thee. So
be not thou of the waverers
(Quran 10:94). With this quranic statement, allahh was in agreement with Jews and Christians.

So by the time allahh later said the Scripture of the same Jews and Christians were corrupt, Muhammad show have asked ''but you once referred me to those people to confirm your revelations, why are you saying their Scriptures is now corrupt? Didn't you know that before lord? When did they become your enemies?

ALLAH AFFIRMED JEWS AND CHRISTIANS WERE GOING TO HEAVEN WITH REWARD:

Lo! Those who believe (in that
which is revealed unto thee
Muhammad) and those who are
Jews and Christians and
Sabaens – whosoever believeth
in Allah and the Last Day and
doeth right – surely their
reward is with their Lord and
there shall no fear come upon
them neither shall they grieve.
Qur’an 2:62

I am sure allahh must have known that the Christians believe Jesus as Son of God or even God before he said they will have reward in heaven. But by the time allahh later said the Christians ascribe partner to him and that they are going to hell, Muhammad should have asked ''but you knew this before, why are you changing your mind now?''

If Muhammad was educated and bold enough and asked appropriate questions, he should have abandoned allahh's project of islam because it is a mere deception.

mubarakopeyemi:
Rilwayne001 how far na e don tey small o baba
how demmzy15, empiree, belatron, lexiconkabir and all other bosses in the hive
hope sey una dey talk sense into this fool at forty lieman over here.
How many converts has he and that insane plappavilla abi wetin she call herself don get into Christianity with their ironic "truth" mission?
Which kind human being go open tap inside basket dey wait make water full am

Bakrabas:
To be seriously serious this op has gone mad again.why cant u just portray ur beautiful name truthman2012

qur'an 10vs94 says: "so if you o (Mohammad saw) r in doubt cncernin dat which we have revealed to you i.e that your name is writtien in thd taurat(torah) n d injeel(gospel),den ask those who r reading d book (torah n injeel)..."

qur'an 2vs62 "verily,those who believe and those who are jews and christians and sabians,whoever believes in ALLAH and the last day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord,on them shall be no fear,no shall they grieve.

daddy truthman2012 can you just plz let's meet for an open debat?

nynbrada:
Just a point of correction.
Yu said the early christians and apostles never called themselves christians.

Well i actually think that the reverse might be the case. As we can see from the following verse of scripture.

1 Peter 4:16 - Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on his behalf.
KJV

I've been enjoying your post though.

God bless.

MuttleyLaff:
Madam I've responded back twice
(i.e. via Nairaland and also directly straight to your mail address)
Shalom

parisbookaddict:
I read the quran and hadith to learn about mohammed.
I call him what he was.
He did some nice things like stopping the killing of female babies and improving female inheritance but he also did evil stuff, slept with a child, raped war captives etc



Look at my past topics , I have dealt extensively on this issue, look up topic from malvisguy212 and Truthman2012. They have brilliant articles exposing evil teachings in Islam.



Lol.. Why. ??



Lol, so your Islamic allah goes around engraving his name on trees. Is he aware muslims are dieing in Syria, Iraq, etc from unnecessary wars.



Of course.



How old are you. U think like a little child.

golpen:
It still doesn't make sense brother, no matter how you try to squeeze it inside. Why will God refresh Himself?, why will He breath? He is not human, these are characteristics of humans. That is why I said the concept of God in Christianity is human and that's blasphemy. You can see the fault yourself, that's why you're trying to cover up for your religion.

See, HE is God. The all knowing. HE knew what everything would look like, so HE won't be surprised at the outcome, or see it was good. It would be good anyway, because HE did it. He doesn't need to breath and refresh Himself. Creating all those, don't increase his majesty and otherwise don't demote Him. That is God. Stop the blasphemy pls.

About having a son without a consort. It is in two ways. One is having a consort and the other is having a son. You see this two characteristics, they belong to us, HIS creation. It is not as if He couldn't do it if he wants, but He is far greater than that. He has given that attribute to man and animals. Will you like to think that your God has the same characteristics as an animal? "audhubillah" Think of it that way. Now that you're old, will you eat your rice with mucous like that of a small kid? You won't! But it is possible if you really want to do it,but you won't. Think!

OLAJADON:
am sick of you, what the essence of explaning since you wont accept the truth.

YOU KNOW WHAT KEEP UP THE WORK, WA RI ERE NI NU E.

Maamin:
Good Question! Good one...!

Waiting for the Muslims to answer this.