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nuelzy:
so he is merciful to those that he chooses??

Psalm 145:9
The LORD is good to all, and his mercy is
over all that he has made.

Bakrabas:
Listen now,which existence is super-miraculous btw someone that pass through blood,womb of woman and someone that didn't born by woman?

Joseph was NOT the biological father of Jesus.
Adam was created without the agency of a human father or mother because, as
the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of
creation was necessary at the beginning
of the world of mankind. Someone had to be created first. But in the case of Jesus, he was born without a human father when God’s natural process of
procreation had long been in existence.
Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special relationship with the One who was the architect of this miraculous conception, a relationship that is shared by no other prophet. The birth of no other prophet has been anything as remotely close as the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ.

leksbore:
only in this our Christianity God d father, God d son Jesus Christ, God the spirit Holy spirit and God d the mother= holy Mary mother of god... which one are we to follow? so many questions on judgement day .

The Trinity states that:
1 there is only one God by nature
2 there are three Persons (Father, Son,
Holy Spirit) who all share the divine nature
3 and that all three Persons are distinct.

Jesus, the Son, in His incarnation took upon Himself a human nature and was 100% God and 100% man. When He worshiped God was he worshipping Himself? When He was praying to God was He praying to Himself? No, in His human nature he was worshipping the
Father who was God, because that is the proper duty of man.

pdppower:
Dear fellow Christians, please kindly enlighten me more and please don't abuse my ignorance. I am a bit confused about what goes on in the Christendom now. We now refer to Jesus himself as God, but in Matthew 3:17 after Jesus' baptism, a voice said 'this is my beloveth child....' I believe that voice to be of God, the Father. Also in John 14:6 Jesus said 'I am the way....... no one comes to the father but by me.' All these indicate that there is still a superior being over Jesus, who is the father (God). How come we have now cancelled the Father (God) and now refer to Jesus as God himself
? Please kindly enlighten me, don't abuse.

Jesus has TWO nature, fully God and fully man. This nature are distinct to each other. It was not God the father that incarnate in the flesh, it was God the son. During the baptism, it was God the father Voice came from heaven, when the disciple ask Jesus to teach them how to pray , Jesus say ," our father IN HEAVEN" GOD the father is in heaven, it was God the son who incarnate in Jesus is speaking . The holy spirit is God, we saw Him discern as a dove. Now, this 3 are ONE in NATURE, with the same personalities.

So in conclusion;
1: the Bible teaches that the Godhead is one in nature.
2: the Bible teaches that God the Father is one personality of the Godhead.
3: the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is one personality of the Godhead.
4: the Bible teaches that Jesus the Son is one personality of the Godhead.

Conclusion: Therefore, God is composed of three personalities in one nature.

Have you ever seen a demon being cast out from a man ? Prior to his deliverance , you will notice, the victim will be speaking with a different voice, after he was heal, he will deny it, because the demon and the man are distinct from each other.

The above example is how God the son incarnate in Jesus.

nuelzy:
u dnt seem to get me...

this is exact from the op.

"why is it that u pray to God bt yet he
seems not to answer...??
is he not the one that said we should ask and we shall receive....
the bible....# "

And my reply to this is :

Well, the scriptural doctrine of faith is an ACTIVE , persistent, bold approach to
God. We seem to think that faith is a
PASSIVE virtue; that it's a set of BELIEFS
or a way of THINKING , whereas in
scripture it's a way of acting! That's where, possibly, the difference may come in.
If you are really searching for answer to your prayer, read this thread...

https://www.nairaland.com/2318252/reason-why-prayer-not-being

And also, you said this in the op:

" it has a very conflicting nature...in one
place it will say do this....in another it will say dont do that same thing are those actually the word of God or a
formulated tale by individuals ?? "

Were in the bible God say don't do this and later he said do this? Provide scriptural proof for this accusations against God.

The truth is that, the bible contradicte your nature, you can amend your way by returning to God family, accept Jesus and begin a new life, do you accept Him or reject Him ?

You said this:
" what is life if u see the same God u've
praying to for a long time favouring
others excluding u....does it mean he is
partial??"

Have you ever hurt someone ? Do you want God to be fair ? Fairness and mercy of God which do you prefer ? If you want God to be fair, I don't think you will be here typing this, you will have to pay for the evil you commit to others. The truth is God is merciful that why He send His son to pay for the sin we commit. God of Love want the universe to live in peace but will you force someone to Love you ? People must hate you, suffering will always be their, bible only advice us how to deal with it, bible say "a refining by fire" what does it mean ? sometimes suffering refined our faith and help us grow in holiness, do you know what I've been through in this life, HELL, but by His grace I am still alive, most of my friends are dead, but today I am here, I thank God for this.

Read this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/2552255/god-love-innocent-wouldnt-suffer

A blind man cannot direct the way for a blind man. They both will fall .

Geist:
Does that make any difference? The original sin is still supposed to make her impure. Too impure infact to conceive baby Jesus unless she went through some prior clensing before conceiving Jesus.

sin came into the world through Adam, and through one man ,Jesus the forgiveness of sin will be paid. If Jesus had been born through sexual intercourse, then this curse of adam and Eve will be on Him.

Genesis 3:17
To Adam he said, "Because you listened
to your wife and ate fruit from the tree
about which I commanded you, 'You
must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the
ground because of you; through painful
toil you will eat food from it all the days
of your life.

The bible teaches that All men originated through adam (by blood) , Jesus had to be born of a virgin to make us perfect in God sight. In Genesis 1:27 the bible say we are created in the image of God, this indicate we are gods, but after the fall of man , we lost everything, the Godly nature . To regain this Glory, Jesus had to be born of a virgin, it was God Himself who bestowed His spirit on Jesus. Believing in Jesus makes us sons of God.

Galatians 3:26
for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of
God, through faith.

“You are all sons of God through faith in
Christ Jesus”! Faith in Christ Jesus, to
believe that He is the Son of God, the
anointed One, the Messiah, makes us
children of God,His sons and daughters!
Gospel means good news and these are
really GOOD NEWS! “Believe on the Lord
Jesus Christ and you will be saved”, as
Paul and Silas said to the prison-keeper
in Philippi (Acts 16:31). “You are all sons
of God, through faith in Christ Jesus”.

menesheh:
First of all, i can't imagine a sane person believing for a second a book based on translations upon translations, copies upon copies by different people that assume absolute authority over a book in the cause of thousands of years.

Second is that you pick and choose the point you feel you can easily defend thereby evading to comment on the central theme of the post.
Now tell me, is there any time it is justifiable to kill a human on the context of making mockery of a prophet. Are Muslims justified by killing people because of the cartoon of their prophet.

This is like assuming a position or a believe system, then start scrambling for any possible justification to cover up errors inherent in the believe system.

trash!!! You do not believe in the bible, why are you using it to make a case ? How many verse did I quote ? I interpret the verse for you and now you are accusing me of picking word that suit me.

A LARGE group of youth demonstrate against a baldheaded OLD man , what if they kill him, would you have raised this issue ?

menesheh:
The idea that it is immoral for me to kill someone, but then replace me with God, it will be morally justified. I can't imagine in 2kings chap 2:23-24 where God sent bears that killed 42 kids because they mocked an old man. Is it morally justified for anyone to do same as an authority. How is it good to send bears to kill some youths because they didn't do any other thing than name calling at this point.

firstly, they are not children, they are young men, the king James translation also use the same word concerning the isrealite, ( the children of isreal) are the isrealite ALL children ? The rest translation translated YOUNG MEN.

Secondly, the Text say "Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.” they are more than 42, this is large demonstrations of this youth, two ordinary bear cannot eat 42 youth. Let us read the verse again.

2 Kings 2:23–24
23 He went up from there to Bethel, and
while he was going up on the way, some
small boys came out of the city and
jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you
baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 And
he turned around, and when he saw
them, che cursed them in the name of
the Lord. And two she-bears came out of
the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.

We are not talking about 42 youth, we are talking about LARGE numbers of people, furthermore, this youth mock him saying "go up their you baldheaded ".it is more than making fun of baldness, it is in reference to elijah his master, who God took, they are mocking the way God took elijah, by saying to elisha"go up there" . This is large group of youth demonstrating against God prophet. Elisha pray and God heard him.

truthman2012:
Islam is full of confusions.

Why did Muhammad direct the first Qiblah to Jerusalem instead of Kaaba? Muhammad didn't know what he was doing. He was under satanic manipulations.

I tell you the truth, islam is a fraud, muhammed is a liar, According to the verse I upload up their, Allah sanctified his house, purify it, now why will muhammed directed the first qiblah to Jerusalem and ignored the house which allah sanctified and purified it ? Unless satan manipulate this muslims, one should notice the lies here.

Bakrabas:
u dis xtians smtyms,ok if jesus brok d law of biology tru virgin mary wat wil u say abt adam n eve dat didnt pass tru anytin...lol

adam was the first man, that how it supposed to be, the human race must began like that. But Jesus, Jesus was born when God procreation exist, God breach this Law in other for Mary to have the virgin birth.

truthman2012:
@ malvisguy212

''In surah 2:144. When
muhammed show desire to pray
facing kabba, Allah granted his
wish. It is rather obvious from
these examples that Allah was
quite often occupied with
rushing to satisfy the desires of
his associate Muhammad, infact,
one of his child bride, amina
could notice such''.

But they (muslims) say it was Abraham who built kabba as a house of allahh for ALL mankind, why is it that facing it to pray began with Muhammad hundreds of years after it had been built?

Surah 2:125: “And when WE MADE
the House (at Mecca) a resort for
mankind and sanctuary, (saying):
Take as your place of worship the
place where Abraham stood (to pray).
And We imposed a duty upon
Abraham and Ishmael, (saying):
Purify My house for those who go
around and those who meditate
therein and those who bow down and
prostrate themselves (in worship)
.” (Pickthall)

according to muslims, it was Allah who made the house,it was leter restructure by Abraham. Now, how did the “House of Allah” which was “made by Allah”
become a pagan temple housing 360
pagan idols? How can a House of God
become a pagan Temple of Idols? Why
did Allah allow this to occur to his place
of worship? If the Ka’ba was the original
“House of Allah” as the Qur’an asserts,
then there is absolutely no logical reason as to why Muhammad directed the first Qiblah towards Jerusalem , unless he believed that it was holier than the Ka’ba.

johnydon22:
Oh yes you said it but it still doesn't change the fact that it had mundane effects.

supernatural event that made the natural earth (sun) stand still for natural men who are engaging in a mundane activity of warfare

It still doesn't change the fact that our earth stopped rotating on it's axis.. whether you paint it supernatural in order to make yourself feel good believing it still won't change the effects such phenomenon would have if it ever happened.

an ominipotent God is capable of performing this miracle compear with speaking the entire universe into existence (Psalm 33:9).God is beyond any logic you apply here. But first you must PROVE that this God does not exist. And also you MUST prove , supernatural power do not exist.


be addressed. The story occasionally
circulates that “NASA scientists were
checking the position of the sun, moon,
and planets 100 years from now and
1,000 years from now in order to plot
space craft trajectories. As they ran their
computers up and down the centuries,
their machines came to a grinding halt
because they showed a day missing
about the time Joshua lived.” This story is
purely fictional. Computers do not have
the ability to make such a discovery, and
every effort to contact the scientists
allegedly involved has resulted in either
failure or denial.
http://www.snopes.com/religion/lostday.asp

wiegraf:






You're still defending yahweh??

I am not defending God, He will defend Himself when you reach the measure of your sin, I am only defending the faith of those who satan want to use you to confused them.

johnydon22:
Oh sir no matter how much you will love to keep convincing yourself that such phenomenon was achievable rests on your own gullibility and delusion..

-Surely enough we are certain for someone to assert such ridiculous idea shows he or she doesn't really know the orbital calibration of the earth or axial speed

Let me assume in this case that EARTH actually was the one that stood still in joshua..

The earth's axial speed is 465 meter per second.. that is an incredible speed that if it were to come to a halt that would be the end of everything as you know it..

The wind turbulence will blow at ±465 meter per second that nothing on earth will with stand that sudden jerk... Imagine being in a high speed bus and it stops all of a sudden, everyone falls towards the front..

This should be applied in case where the body is moving at a neck breaking speed of 465meter per second not even houses will remain..

so it is highly improbable..
The point always eludes you.. i have not seen where wiagraf asserts he adheres to such beliefs more over atheism has nothing to do with supernatural beliefs

lmao..

I thought I made myself clear ? I say it was a supernatural event and not how your canal interpretation.

wiegraf:
they've been far more impressive than yahweh, who thought the earth was the centre of the universe and had to run away from an army that was using iron (seems he didn't know how to make steel), and are African.

the text say, the sun stop in the middle of the sky, it was a supernatural event, which you atheists do not believe, We still use phrases like the "Sun rose", "Sun set". There is no English (or Hebrew) phrase indicating that the earth rotates until the horizon covers the Sun. This religion you are selling, am sure they believe in the supernatural, which you atheists do not like to here.

The canannit had thousands of iron chariots, but the isrealite has God on there side,BUT the isrealite allowed fear to prevail over there FAITH.

No reply ? Were are the muslims ? After the death of muhammed, Allah stop communicating with the muslims, why ?
Could it be that muhammed and allah are the same person ? the Islamic god expects and even commands Muslims to fully surrender or submit to the desires and decisions of both Allah AND Muhammad
.

One Does not Become a Believer Unless He Refers to the Messenger for Judgment AND SUBMITS TO HIS DECISIONS.
Surah 3:31-32
Say: "If ye do love God, Follow me: God
will love you and forgive you your sins:
For God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Say: "Obey God and His Apostle": But if
they turn back, God loveth not those who reject Faith.

Surah 33:36
It is not fitting for a Believer, man or
woman, when a matter has been decided by God AND His Apostle to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God AND His Apostle, he is
indeed on a clearly wrong Path.

Astonishingly, there are verses where
obedience to Muhammad is mentioned
without any reference to obeying Allah:

Surah 24:56
So establish regular Prayer and give
regular Charity; and obey the Apostle;
that ye may receive mercy.

The Prophet said "None of you will have
faith till he loves me more than his
father, his children and all mankind . " (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1,Book 2, Number 15)

In surah 2:144. When muhammed show desire to pray facing kabba, allah granted his wish. t is rather obvious from these examples that Allah was quite often occupied with rushing to satisfy the desires of his associate Muhammad, infact, one of his child bride, amina could notice such.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 311 Narrated Aisha:
I used to look down upon those ladies
who had given themselves to Allah’s
Apostle and I used to say, “Can a lady
give herself (to a man)?” But when Allah
revealed: “You (O Muhammad) can
postpone (the turn of) whom you will of
them (your wives), and you may receive
any of them whom you will; and there is
no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily) .” (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), “I feel that YOUR LORD HASTENS IN FULFILLING YOUR WISHES AND DESIRE.”

We have TWO conclusions here, either muhammed and Allah are the same person, OR Allah is associating partner with muhammed.

kolawaxxy:
I'm glad you said "...in the Bible "

miracle happened, don't this miracle and supernatural occurrences breach this laws in physics ? God is a spirit (luke 4:24) the law of nature do not apply to spirit.

urheme:
Johnnydon22: culture is a way of life.

Malik: islam is a way of life

Malvisguy: christianity is a way of life.

They are all now a way of life, religion has beccome a culture.....thats what is going on.

You can tell me again that i don't know what culture is.

Are you surprise that, that boy told you Abraham is the father of all nation

based on the teaching of Jesus christ and the apostles; Christianity is not a religion,never for once did Jesus teach about religion, the apostles never call themselves christians, (its was the pagan at antioch who first call the apostles christians) the apostles call themselves "brethren", "disciples", "apostles", "servants", "believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints."

byteHead:
It is said that God created man in his own image.

But it may be that man has created God in the image of man.

will man created God that will demand holiness outwardly and inwardly ? Will man created God that said, our righteousness is as filty as rags ? If man should created God in his image, it will not set an uphill task on sin atoning.

If people were to have invented the God of Christianity, it is unlikely that it would be the demanding God of the Bible. The God of the Bible is described as holy , without sin and without the ability to commit sin>>>> Isaiah 5:16

" But the LORD of hosts will be exalted
in judgment, And the holy God will
show Himself holy in righteousness."

The holiness of God is described as being above anything that humans can attain, such that no human can stand before Him as holy. Behaving more morally upright than most other people is not sufficient to escape the punishment of the God of the Bible.>>>
Leviticus 11:45

" 'For I am the LORD, who brought you
up from the land of Egypt, to be your God; thus you shall be holy for I AM HOLY.'"

preciousMI1:
sometimes we neglect the very little things of life....

https://www.nairaland.com/2552255/god-love-innocent-wouldnt-suffer

If God eradicated everyone who has ever caused pain by selfishness, cheating, lying, gossiping or hurtful
remarks, who would be left? People say,
"Suffering is God's fault!", In other words,if we disobey God,it's God's fault?
conveniently forgetting times our own
anger, greed and lies hurt others. To
wipe out some people who cause
suffering, and spare you and me, would
make God guilty of gross injustice. We
have each added to humanity's shame.
If there is a God of love, the people he
loves and longs to place in a pain-free
world are the very ones who cause
humanity's suffering.

We are so far from being innocent that
we owe our very existence to sin. If, for
example, we traced our family tree far
enough,we would probably each find an
ancestor born as a result of sin - rape,
unlawful Inbreeding, a despised
pregnancy,sex before marriage, and the like. Humanity can boast only ONE PERFECT PERSON . We killed him.
Frequently, we hear or read a comment
like this:
"I simply cannot believe in a God who
permits innocent children to starve and
suffer, and men like Hitler and Stalin to
murder millions of people."

The examples may vary,but the thoughts are always the same. Supposedly, this is "proof" that either God doesn't exist, or that if He does, He either doesn't care about our sufferings, or He is not powerful enough to do
anything about them. But suffering is
neither proof of God's non-existence or
existence. Saying, "If God exists, why is
there suffering?" is like saying "If San
Francisco exists, why are there earthquakes?" Do earthquakes occur
because San Francisco causes them? Or
do they occur in spite of San Francisco?
Or do they have nothing to do with San
Francisco? Well, we know the answer to
that question because we know about
San Francisco and we know about
earthquakes.But how much do we really
know about God? If we define Him by our own nature, then He cannot be of
any greater character than ourselves.
We may ascribe to Him a greater power
than ourselves, but when we suppose
that God should or should not act like
this or that,then all we are really saying
is, "He should act like I would if I
were God."
STARVING:
Now, let's look at starving children. The
Bible says that in the beginning, God
created the heavens and the earth. That
includes everything necessary to feed
and provide for its inhabitants. Can
anyone deny that the earth is capable of producing more than enough food to
feed the entire globe? Well then, if
people are starving, whose fault is that?
If God made the earth, is He also
supposed to plant and distribute our
crops for us? Do you remember the tons
of food that were shipped to Ethiopia,
but did not reach the starving people
who needed it? Whose fault was that?
The reason that over 90% of the masses
have barely enough to survive on,is that
there is a problem of DISTRIBUTION, not
of SUPPLY .A tiny minority have far more
than they need, depriving the many.
SUFFERING:
Regarding suffering that is the result of
sin, what could be clearer than Romans
1:28–29 and Galatians 6:8–9? The
unbeliever may stomp about with all
vigor and complain that it is "bigotry" to
associate the rise of AIDS and other
diseases to sin; that biblical morality is
narrow-minded, outdated, and totally
wrong. But this fact is unalterable: In a
society where biblical morality is
abandoned, suffering always increases.
Where biblical morality is followed,
suffering always declines. Always.
(Isa.59:1-4).
As to Hitler, Stalin, street gangs and
senseless murders: Would any of these
things happen if people followed the
teachings of Jesus? Do you realize what
this world would be like if people simply
followed God's instructions? There would be no murder, no wars. There would be no welfare, because families
would take care of their own (and
families would stay together) and those
who did not have families would be
provided for by their fellow-members in
Christ. There would be no starvation… I
could go on, but the point is: God has
provided us answers; whose fault is it
that we don't seek them or heed them
when we find them? I suspect that those who use suffering as a "proof" of God's non-existence would not want to have their free choice taken away from them,but that's exactly what God would have to do if He were to enforce His will on the earth. For if God were to intervene in the matter of suffering, would He not also intervene in the matter of sin? If He did, He would have to be a dictator.

Then how would we react? We would not want that,and according to the Bible, God doesn't want it either. He wants us to obey Him because we want to, not because we have to.And in order to accomplish this, He must allow two
things to happen. First, in order to grant
us free choice, He must provide us with
graphic examples of the consequences of the wrong choice. Secondly,He must
allow injustices and sufferings;otherwise
he'd provide sinful mankind with every
blessing and benefit without restriction.
If everything in this life was fair, good
and happy, what need would there be to seek a better life? Why would we seek a Deliverer, if there was nothing to be
delivered from? Suffering is not something that ought to turn people
away from God, but draw them to Him.

Nadheer15:
Robot, I don't have your time. You can't even defend your Bible, please don't mention me again!

a christian and a muslims, who will you call robot ? A muslims read how muhammed invade his enemy and captured women as slaves, he got inspired by this acts, terrorizing mankind. A true christian, read the word and teaching of Jesus, abide in it, live in it . Which among this robot you will prefer ? Truth be told, if Jesus teaching were in quran just as it was in the bible, you will not even call muhammed a prophet.

Ezekiel 33:1-9, The watchman.
"And the word of the LORD came to me,
saying, “Son of man, speak to the sons of your people and say to them, ‘If I bring a sword upon a land, and the people of the land take one man from among them and make him their watchman, and he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows on the trumpet and warns the people, then he who hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, and a sword comes and takes him away, his blood will be on his own head. ‘He heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning; his blood will be on himself. But had he taken warning, he would have delivered his life. ‘But if the watchman sees the sword coming and
does not blow the trumpet and the
people are not warned, and a sword
comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his
blood I will require from the watchman’s hand.’
“Now as for you, son of man, I have
appointed you a watchman for the house of Israel; so you will hear a message from My mouth and give them warning from Me. “When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity,but his blood I will require from your hand. “But if you on your part warn a wicked man to turn from his way and he does not turn from his way, he will die in his iniquity, but you have delivered your life.'

Now, a prophet duty is to warn the people of their evil deed, if you die without heeding to their warning, YOUR BLOOD WILL BE ON YOUR OWN HANDS. the truth is that if you die without Believing IN Jesus, your blood will be on your OWN hands, but if you die believing Jesus as YOUR Lord and personal savior, then your blood will be in the hand of Jesus, guess what ? YES, he has already paid for those sins. For those who believe in Jesus christ as Lord and savior, our salvation is secure.

Matthew 28:16-20
"Then Jesus came to them and said, “All
authority in heaven and on earth has
been given to me. Therefore go and
make disciples of all nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father and of
the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and
teaching them to obey everything I have
commanded you. And surely I am with
you always, to the very end of the
age.”"

Nadheer15:
You this Yeebhoe boy, alright lemme answer you on this!

I answered this long ago on truthman'2013 thread, open your eyes and read!

the command in surah 9:29 was to fight the people of the book ;

Surah 9:29: Fight those who believe
not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor
hold forbidden which hath been
forbidden by Allah and His
Messenger, nor acknowledge the
religion of Truth, even if they are the
PEOPLE OF THE BOOK , until they pay
the Jizya with willing submission
and feel themselves subdued. (Yusuf
Ali)

The command was to fight those who believe not in allah, does the people of the book believe in allah ? Do they pay the jizya ? Do they acknowledge islam ? The answer to All this questions is 'A' resounding NO. The people of the book are christians and Jews. Furthermore, the verse do NOT say fight those who attack you, the verse clearly say, FIGHT THOES WHO BELIEVE NOT IN Allah.

Surah 3:151: WE WILL CAST TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE ,because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority and their abode is the fire,
and evil is the abode of the unjust.

Reconcile this verse with surah 9:29 , those who disbelief are the Jews and christians, the verse say they will cast terror on the unbelievers, what's this about ?

Surah 7:4: How many a township
have We destroyed! As a RAID BY NIGHT , or while THEY SLEPT AT NOON, OUR TERROR CAME UPON THEM.

Their are countless of verses in the quran that urged the muslims to kill the unbelievers. The only conclusion here is that a sinner has NO hope of repentance.

Matthew 5:44-46: But I say to you:
“Love your enemies! Pray for those
who persecute you! In that way, you
will be acting as true children of your
Father in the heavens. For he gives
his sunlight to both the evil and the
good, and he sends rain on the just
and the unjust alike. If you love only
those who love you, what reward is
there for that? Even the corrupt tax
collectors do that much.”

The above biblical verse is foreign to muslims, this kind of teaching is nowhere found in the quran. The bible gives hope to the sinners but the quran sentence the unbelievers to death.

johnydon22:
So what you are saying in essence is that you are fully divorcing anything that has to deal with the Old testament..

Good.. I am familiar with that tactics of divorcing the Old testament once it is being used for criticism at the same time employing it when it suites you.. It's called Cherry Picking

I will remind you these exact words of yours anytime i see you quoting the Old testament for any reason what so ever.

Since you have decided to divorce the Old testament (which by the way also is regarded the words of Yahweh) i hope you refrain from using it ever again.

Because if you do, you still then affirms the fact that the old testament being part of the Christian canon (bible) also is also a part of Christian fundamentals.

the old testament is part of the scripture, we are only to learn from it, In Romans 15:4 Paul wrote, "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope."

The old covenant revealed sin. Paul
wrote:
Romans 3:20
"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" .

The old testament cannot made man holy in God sight:

Hebrews 10:4 & 11 says,
"For it is not possible that the blood of
bulls and of goats should take away
sins." and verse 11 say, "And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins."


Jeremiah 31:31-34 - "Behold, the days
come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a
new covenant with the house of Israel,
and with the house of Judah: not
according to the covenant that I made
with their fathers in the day that I took
them by the hand to bring them out of
the land of Egypt; which my covenant
they brake, although I was a husband
unto them, saith Jehovah.

haywhy911:
what right does a judge have to inflict capital punishment? There lies your answer.. I'm not replying you again.

moral law is different from civil law. are you indicating, man has the right carry out judgment by his own will ?

haywhy911:
that's not the topic. This is not comparative religion please. I'm not forcing you to see Islam as supreme. Stick to your christianity. My point has been "ISLAM DOESN'T SUPPORT TERRORISM". Someone brought the tax issue and I explained how civil it was at the time. I'm tired of repeating myself... I think we should end this now because it's obvious we are wasting our time.. It's just like a seesaw. The argument is endless and the longer we stay in it,the farther we deviate from the topic..I'm sure you have better things to do with your time. Keep doing your faith. Thanks for making the argument civilised.. I have learnt new things and I'm sure you have too. I hope you understand. Peace!

alright.
Surah 17:33: “And do not kill the soul
which Allah has forbidden, EXCEPT BY RIGHT.”

What right is a man has to take life ? I don't want to say too much.

haywhy911:
bro,don't deviate from the topic.. Stick with the topic.. The bible and qur'an is another topic entirely. Peace. Shalom

am still on the topic concerning tax. Contrast the quranic verse with the bible verse I provide.

haywhy911:
and Duma is now the modern day Rome? Did you even read it in full? Did the Prophet attack Rome? They went back attacking no one in Tabouk. Did you even read those letters.

the Romans are foreigners. Peace!

Consider carefully the laws that God gave to the ancient nation of Israel. Notice how the laws that he gave reveals his loving concern for the foreigners. The Israelites were commanded to love them. Please read
the following verses carefully:

Leviticus 19:33-34: And in case a
foreign resident resides with you as
an alien in your land, you must not
mistreat him. The foreign resident
who resides as an alien with you
should become to you like a native of
yours; and you must love him as
yourself, for you became foreign
residents in the land of Egypt. I am
Jehovah your God.

Unlike Allah, the true God did not command the Israelites to attack or extort the foreigners, instead he commanded the Israelites to love and provide for them. These are the hallmarks of a true Creator.

haywhy911:
bro,that's not it. Don't dig out erroneous threads.. Dig out the facts. Is it a fact that Prophet Muhammad attacked Rome?

When Muslims arrived at Tabuk, they
halted and took a rest, rumours of a
Roman Byzantine Invasion had cooled
down, and there was nothing to threaten
Muhammad. Muhammad dispatched
Khalid ibn Walid on a military expedition
to Duma.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tabouk

haywhy911:
a martyr is one who willingly accepts being put to death for adhering openly to one's religious belief... Na dictionary I copy this one o

yes, but when the believer chose to retaliate and slain people, if he die in the process, it is NOT a
"martyred".