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haywhy911:
Whaaat!!! The prophet of Allah attacked Rome? Who fed you that? Please re-check. The prophet NEVER led a fight against Rome.. Always confirm your facts please..

haywhy911:
bro,when Islam first surfaced in Mecca,adherents of the faith no even reach ten. When it started growing steadily,Makkans got unsettled and started persecuting. The muslims had to run away....and after years on the run,they settled in Madinah. The Makkans,scared that the number of Muslims could grow planned an offensive. Over a thousand well 'horsed' and armed attacked a paltry 300 muslims (if I'm not mistaken) in the Battle of Badr. The Makkans lost. They were infuriated so they attacked a SECOND TIME. That was the Battle of Uhud. The Makkans won this time. To end the job,they planned to attack Medinah. The prophet ordered a ditch to be dug round Medina to prevent the Makkans from getting in. The idea was 4rm one of hz Persian companion (dictator? Racist?). There was no bloodshed in that. Years later the Muslims signed a 10 year treaty with the Meccans to allow them make pilgrimage. That's the treaty of Hudaibiyah... The muslims were allowed to stay on the outskirts of Mecca. The Meccans destroyed the treaty by attacking the Muslims yet again... I can't type long abeg. The Conquest of Mecca was bloodless. Please know your facts

haywhy911:
please,what's wrong with martyrdom? It is celebrated everywhere. Especially when it's for the right cause.. Nigerian soldies go for peacekeeping. Those that are killed are forever 'immortalised'. When did fighting for your right become evil.. Martydom and suicide is like garri and cornflakes.

haywhy911:
you actually insulted me :\... Jizyah is a civil tax. Obviously,the world wasn't run the way it is now... The world was run based on religion and religious leaders where at the helm... I really don't know why you can't understand this... Sokoto is not an independent muslim Caliphate. It's under Nigeria and it's constitution. Mecca,then,was purely an Islamic state.. When did Europe become a christain owned continent? Perhaps,you haven't heard of Turkey. And for ur info,muslims are banned from performing religious obligations in parts of China... So please

haywhy911:
you dissapointed me,big time! I thought you knew about Islam before making those claims. Morally,it's not nice to use bad words. It's even worse when you say bad words about things you've got no idea about. Anyway,lemme explain to you.

There are CIRCUMSTANCES OF REVELATION in Islam. Those circumstances must be understood else verses would be misinterpreted. Some verses are specifically for an event. In the early years,the first muslims were persecuted and sent outta Mecca by the unbelievers (mostly idol worshippers). Their properties seized.[INJUSTICE]. The muslims were commanded to fight for their land...[JUSTICE]. And were also commanded to cease fighting when the oppressors cease. [MERCY].. Please,let's not be blinded by sentiments. Be objective. I'm not forcing you to accept Islam. I'm helping you see through the fabrics covering your eye. So far,I have seen nothing supporting ISIS

haywhy911:
you said SAHIH hadiths,didn't you? Is this a hadith? What's is sahih hadith? Where did you get this from? Even a 4yr old muslim would tell that's not what a hadith looks like. Please! You've shot yourself in the foot.

truthman2012:
Brilliant post.

They say quran 5:3 is the last quranic revelation, how true? How is it arranged that chapter 5, not 1 or the highest chapter the last. Muslims like deceiving themselves.

If islam is perfected with Muhammad revelations, it means Abraham, Moses and even Jesus being muslims, according to islam practiced imperfect islam. So it was Muhammad, the most sinful 'prophet' that brought perfect islam.

truthman2012:
I wonder too o !

It baffles me to see them believing pure falsehood. If Muhammad was a true prophet, why was he not able to demonstrate the healing power of God, which Jesus and even the Apostles did?

What was the proof of his prophethood?

The Jewish woman who poisoned meat for him said she wanted to prove he was a prophet. He failed the woman's test. Does a prophet need to taste the meat before he could detect poison as Muhammad did? Never. His god is not Omnipresent. He receives information only when islamic Gabriel is around.

malvisguy212:
by the time quran 16:89 was revealed, more verses were yet to be revealed, does it mean since quran 16:89 say the book was complete, no need to revealed others passages ? This hadith was clearly understood , muhammed wanted to write a documents that will guide the muslims not to go astray, he died with this revelation.

truthman2012:
Yes brother.

It is spiritual stupidity to believe a god whose angel could not heal anybody. The angel of the true God are capable of accomplishing God's will. Islamic Gabriel could only promise allahh's healing for Muhammad, meaning he had no power for healing. allahh himself couldn't do anything to help him. What a god!

Muhammad himself couldn't attempt healing anyone. His killer squads died in his very before of poison, no attempt to pray for their healing. What of a prophet of allahh.

A man had fever and came to him, instead of praying, he told him to drink camel urine. Nowhere did Muhammad pray for anybody. Does anyone know?

truthman2012:
Thank my brother, God bless you richly.

I have been missing you all.

truthman2012:
The Bible says: With long life God will satisfy me. You have no such promise from allahh as he is not the giver of life. Am even yet to find a place where he healed. Does anyone know?

truthman2012:
Hello bro., compliments of the season.

It was my son who called to draw my attention to this thread. Thank you very much, Annunaki, God bless you richly.

tartar9:
what was now the purpose of your god's murder on the stick

winner01:
Men inherited sin through Adam.

malvisguy212:
there are many authentic hadith which narrate the same incident, and the fact that the hadith narrator are the collections of the reports claiming to quote what the prophet Muhammad said, there is NO way ALL the hadith could've fabricated the same lie. So your explanation is VERY weak.

winner01:
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- romans 5;12

urheme:
That is what johnydon was trying to tell you

urheme:
Malvisguy212.
According to your religion, are men born sinners? Yes or no, pick one

Rilwayne001:
Malvisguy and copy and paste, you should put your source at least.

You copied the whole thread from here http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/original_sin.html and you then edited to make it seem as if you wrote it yourself.. hehehe

Original sin ko, original BS ni..

habicab:
With due respect, I'd like to say that the concept of original sin is unrealistic and unjust.

Almighty God who created us Has the knowledge of everything. He created us and gave us rules and regulations to follow. Sin is simply going against the commandment of God Almighty. Just as Adam and Eve committed sin by going against the commandment of God, so also every human being who goes against the commandments of God has committed an sin. Death is not a consequence of sin but it is a sure reality which will overcome every creature in this world. God Who created the heaven and hell knows why He created them. Think about it, if we don't die, how are we going to be judged? It's absolutely obvious that the outcome of the judgement is what will differentiate the dwellers of the heaven from those of hell. If the heaven and the hell are going to be the final destinations, then we all need to ask ourselves what the real purpose of our creation is...

No doubt everyone of us want to go to the heaven and the only way we can do that is to worship God Almighty our Creator alone and follow HIs commandments. The only way we commit sin is because satan the accursed creeps into our hearts and always tend to make us go against the commandments of God. That's why when we commit a sin, we need to repent and turn back to our Creator because He's the only One Who can forgive us and save us from satan. If you flash back, that's the same thing Adam and Eve did and God Almighty Who is The All Forgiving, The Merciful forgave them. He will always forgive us as long as we fall back to Him in sincere repentance... At this point, I'd like to rest my case.

johnydon22:
[b]

Oh my goodness we get more out of point...

Last i checked "Adam and Eve ate the apple not cain" so there was no way cain was among the culpable in the fruit eating..

Cain's offence was killing Abel and i am certain that "Thou shall not kill" was also given during the time of Moses..

So there isn't also reason why "thou shall not kill" was not given till the time of moses..?

This is so funny. Contradiction galore..

You said without the law there is no sin, at the same time condemn cain's sin which was committed before the law..

Common tell me more.. Show me how inces_t was not wrong before the law but murder was..

Since there was no law, if one is right then both are right but if without the law was still was wrong then both are wrong..

Read your reply before replying next time..

And again please on what moral ground was the world of Noah destroyed since there was no law before that meaning there was no evil ...

Common defend your inconsistencies more.. [/b]

urheme:
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johnydon22:


Oh really... Then on what moral ground was cain punished for killing abel since the law "thou shall not kill" was not given yet..

then on what moral ground was the world of Noah destroyed when there was no law then meaning there actually was no sin...

Going by your assertion Cain actually didn't commit any wrong by killing abel since there was no law on that and there is no way the world of Noah were all bad since there was no law by which their actions were judged..

You don't just go about pull out no law no sin when the same bible have instances people were punished without the law..

Lets see how inces_t is not wrong before the law but other sins are wrong before the law just because you need to justify the inconsistencies of your assumptions.

More contradictions
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tungstar:
So who bore d wife dat Cain lay with?

malvisguy212:
the law against incest was not given until thousands of years later, there was no theological problem with Cain marrying his sister. The apostles paul say:
Romans 4:15
for the Law brings about wrath,
but where there is no law, there
also is no violation.
Romans 5:13
for until the Law sin was in the
world, but sin is not imputed
when there is no law.

johnydon22:
Inces_t!!!

BETATRON:
the explanation is simple bro---i don't know its very hard for you to get this--even a primary school student will understand it

the koran is the criteria for checking the validity of the hadith and not the other way round--ones a teaching of the hadith contradicts that of the koran then the hadith is wrong cause the hadith is the work of men

Not everything in the hadith is wrong mind you-cause you are so quick to generalize-

Well done repeating a,b,c,d for you---if you still can't understand this--i think you need serious help

Annunaki:
Muslims have a lot of al taquiya resources they manufacture and put on islamic websites which are basically designed to defend Islam, justify islamic evils and to drag christianity/judaism in the mud in trying to justify their criminal acts. He probably got the idea from one of those useless websites which he is to ashamed to quote here.

lexiconkabir:
I repeat, I never brought the quran into the discussion, every reasonable person understands what i'm saying just you, !

lexiconkabir:
@unphilaz, nawa o, i am yet to see where i made mention of the quran, thats deutronomy in the OT and the OT happens to be the torah that was allegedly written by moses, where did i made mention of the quran