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slyng:
Hello op, get some enlightenment. Dont write for the purpose of just writing. A good writer won't just trust a single source and u wont sound convincin to ur reader if ur arguements were just based on conjecture or out of ur bigotry nature as u ve shown now. Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) remains the most influential man(dead or living) on earth and will forever be. Before his demise, there exist a unified muslim ummah(no sunni/shi'ia or others). He told the muslims then that after i leave this world, 70 more muslim groups will spring up(making 71). He then warned that only one out of all will preach/follow the pristine islam. The muslims were worried and very inquisitive so as not to go astray but the prophet told them never to deviate from any of his teachings. So out of the 71 said by the prophet,i'm not sure we have up to 10 now. Most muslims today has deviated from the teachings of d prophet and that's y it is not logical to judge islam with one ill-actiön of a muslim or a sect. Islam is peace

what is your source ? What you say here , were is it writing in the quran ? The last time I quote the hadith for a muslim, he condemned it.

How is muhammed the best of mankind when the Islamic sect are bombing the world ?

unphilaz:
@ malvisguy212
thanks for pointing it.... over to you,lexiconkabir. thank you

don't mind him bro, when you exposed their lies, there defence will be, to throw insult.

urheme:
I can't just believe this guy, you mean you cited all these bible vs and could not drive home your point
You must be very tired

Let us use labour as example.

What did your Bible say that caused women painful labour during child birth

That eve was coursed for eating apples and by implication all women should labour to the point of death to birth children...

Pls try and understand op, he did a good job to this topic......the muslim woman, budahist, ife amd my towm juju worshippers who also experience painful labour...do you expect them to believe that eve eat apples and that transfers sins to them.....what about the female animals....perhaps some female animal was coursed for their sake.


The lies in your bible can actually be retified with the truth.

what lies the bible say ? The angels in heaven who rebel against God, from were did this sin came from ? Their nature ? Alright let me ask you, why is it that man find it easy to do evil than to do good ? Be sincere please. Don't worry, I will open a thread soon. The op misunderstood the scripture teaching of original sin.

lexiconkabir:
it was sa'ad(a former ally of the banu quraytha)that gave the judgement, banu quraytha chose him themselves to be their judge, and sa'ad gave the judgement according to this bible verse Deut20:12-14 "If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies."

were in the quran sa'ad quote the torah for judgment ? As you interpret it here.

lexiconkabir:
pls point out where i made that claim. thank you

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Shollyps:
sometimes I wonder how the f**k did we believe that shitt. . especially the original sin part

who the hell is Adam n Eve?

it is either your Sunday school teacher do not understand the scripture OR you are not focusing. You and the op are confused. Now listen;

The Scripture teaches that all men
originate their own moral depravity, the bible say All men sin in spit of a Good nature.

Genesis 6:11,12.
"The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth and
behold it was corrupt; FOR ALL FLESH HAD CORRUPTED HIS WAY UPON THE EARTH."

To "corrupt" means to make morally
depraved. It means to pervert what is
good and upright. It means to make unclean what was once clean. It means to spoil what was once good and unspoiled. The word corrupt always implies a former state that was unspoiled, clean, good, or upright. It is never used to speak of the original created nature of man.It speaks of what man has become because of spoiling or perverting the nature with which he was created.

Moral beings have never needed a sinful nature to make them sin. Churches teach the first sin ever committed was committed by the devil. He did not have a sinful nature to make him sin.Churches also teach that a third of the angels fell from heaven. They did not have a sinful nature to make them sin. And scripture says both Adam and Eve sinned. They did not have a sinful
nature to make them sin. Then, why
should it be thought necessary for men to be born with a sinful nature to account for their sins? The Scripture does not teach that men must have a sinful nature in order to sin; it teaches that men sin in spite of a good nature:

Ecclesiastes 7:29
"Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man UPRIGHT;but they have sought out many inventions" .

The above Scripture is very clear. God
has created men upright, but they have sinned in spite of an upright nature.This truth is taught directly, and by implication, throughout the whole Scripture.

You and your atheists friends write as if you understand the scripture, but NO, you don't understand.

lexiconkabir:
dont form innocence here, i had warned you earlier, you asked for it! why are you this daft?! you are asking me whats the difference between seme'n and fluid, if the link has ''seme'n'' and nairaland land typesetting enviroment change seme'n in the link to fluid, will the link still load?

alright. Maby I would stop replying you for now because this discussion is turning you into a monster.

lexiconkabir:
You are the big foool, i had warned you earlier that you wont like d outcome of you telling me to shut up, u thought i was joking. the link has s'emen, and if i post it here it will change to fluid instead of s'emen, thats why i told you to go to wikipedia, simple!

what the different between s'emen and fluid ? You can insult me , I am use to it. Provide the link or don't quote me.

lexiconkabir:
sorry to say, but you are big foool! didnt u c where i told u to go to wikipedia and search s'emen? guy u dey vex me gan!

between me and you who is the fool ? I provide link , but you on the other hand failed to provide link. Stop mentioning me if you don't know what to say only to throw insult.

malvisguy212:
Surah 21:91: “And (remember) her
who guarded her chastity: WE
breathed into her of OUR SPIRIT, and
We made her and her son a sign for
all peoples.” (Yusuf Ali)
Note: the phrase "OUR" is plurality. And the word "spirit" is singular. How many spirit breath on Mary ?

BETATRON:
you didn't read what I posted bro...you didn't or maybe you have no explanation

if you read my earlier reply to your post, you will not type the rubbish you type.

manmacho:
see the topic has been derailed

all the question you asking here as become muslim popular chorus and the answers you
have already

the question is since your hadith does not always confirm that truth of you quran, why still hold on to it because i can safely say that it is corrupt if it stand oppose to the quaran in some cases

thank you my brother, Tbaba123 say hadith is also a revelation, I can dig the thread he made this comment, and now this liars are condemning the hadith, is not a revelation, satanic deception.

lexiconkabir:
sp'erm is not produced in the tetes, THIS IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT MANY PEOPLE DONT KNOW INCLUDING THE SITE YOU LIFTED THAT RUBBISH FROM, do yourself a favor go to wikipedia.org and search for S'emen, read the updated scientific fact of the production of s'emen.

your lies has been expose, provide link that say Fluid (S'emen) is from backbone and ribs or keep shut.

BETATRON:
to number1--tell me what kind of justice these are

A)Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the
judge or of the priest who represents the LORD yourGod must be put to death. Such evil must be purgedfrom Israel--Deuteronomy 17:12 NL

B)They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great,whether man or woman-2 Chronicles 15:12-13

C) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this,shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst-Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB

---justify justify

2--this doesn't explain why God rested on the 7th Day

3-why was the serpent cursed? He was possessed by the devil,the devil should be caused not the serpent---its like cursing a man whose wife possessed him(I.e isn't in His right senses)---more so how is eating dust a debasement...what type of debasement is that(elucidate please)---what of the snail that crawls? What of the --alot of animals are known to crawl also--were they also punished too?

--using mouth to smell isn't special--elephants use their legs to hear too..bats use ultrasonic technology in their ears to see---cats smell dust too---even a newly born eats dust bro---

Lastly--Like i you said God is 3 personalities..lol...so do these 3 personalities play different role--if yes...isn't that equal to worshipping 3 Gofs--if no--why was the child personality sent by the father personality and why was the child personality forsaken by the father personality

are you insane You are asking me what kind of love required justice? If you did evil, and you run to you father for help,if your dad is a man with good moral behavior, he will punished you, is this not justice ? Most of the old testament law you quote are for the Jews living at that time, the Largest religion as of that time is the worship of baal, the law was to prevent them from worshipping this gods.

Provide the quranic account on how the fall of man began, give details and full story.

If elephant can do the same, what your point?

Surah 21:91: “And (remember) her
who guarded her chastity: WE
breathed into her of OUR SPIRIT, and
We made her and her son a sign for
all peoples.” (Yusuf Ali)

Note: the phrase "OUR" is plurality. And the word "spirit" is singular. How many spirit breath on Mary ?

lexiconkabir:
sperm is produced in the serminal vesicles, which is located in the pelvis. the pelvis is located between abdomen and the thighs. wikipedia would help you!

The testes
produce sperm and also produce male
hormones. The testes start developing
inside the body cavity in a growing baby
(fetus). About two months before a male
baby is born, the testes start to drop
down into the scrotal sacs. Because they
are outside the main body cavity the
testes are slightly cooler. This difference
in temperature helps sperm production.
http://patient.info/health/the-male-reproductive-system

THE FAILURE OF ALLAH’S PROPHECY IN THE QUR’AN

Allah prophesized in no uncertain term
in the Qur’an that a single Muslim
warrior who ventures into battle, “will
vanquish” ten-fold the number of his
enemies – a ratio of 1 to 10. This is truly
an astounding feat. Since this prophetic
promise is made by Allah to Muhammad, it is to be achieved, not by
the fighting skills or strength of the
individual Muslim soldier but by the
divine power of the all-knowing Allah.

Surah 8:65: “O Prophet! Rouse the
Believers to the fight. If there are
twenty amongst you, patient and
persevering, they will vanquish two
hundred: if a hundred, they will
vanquish a thousand of the
Unbelievers.” (Yusuf Ali)

But, this prophetic statement was
abrogated shortly (one verse later) in the Qur’an. The reason for the abrogation was because the Muslim warriors complained bitterly at the impossible odds they would have to now encounter when they engage their enemies in
battles.

Ishaq: 326:
“Abdullah told me that when this
verse came down it was a shock to
the Muslims who took it hard. They
were afraid, as the odds were too
great. So Allah relieved them and
cancelled the verse with another:
‘Now has Allah relieved you and He
knows that there is a weakness
among you, so if there are 100
(rather than 20) they shall vanquish
200.’”

Thus, Allah abrogated his own prophecy
and lowered the ratio from 1:10 to 1:2.

Surah 8:66: “For the present, Allah
hath lightened your task, for He knoweth that there is a weak spot in
you: But even so, if there are a
hundred of you, patient and
persevering, they will vanquish two
hundred, and if a thousand, they
will vanquish two thousand, with
the leave of Allah: for Allah is with
those who patiently
persevere.” (Yusuf Ali))

THE QUESTION IS:
Why did Allah’s prophecy in Surah 8:65
fail in its fulfillment?
Does not this prove that Allah is
incapable of seeing through to the
fulfillment of his prophecies?
Does this not also prove that Allah
cannot be the Almighty God as he
claims to be?
Why did Allah abrogate his own
prophecy and replace it with a
contradictory prophecy?
Does not the fact that Allah got his
prophecy wrong the first time shows
that he is learning by trial and error
just like any imperfect human?
Does not this also prove that there is a
failed prophecy in the Qur’an?
Can a divine book contain a failed
prophecy in it?
Does not the existence of even one
failed prophecy in the Qur’an sufficient
to prove that the Qur’an is false?
Since Allah abrogated his prophecy
because of his warriors’ reluctance to
fight against such odds, does not this
prove that the fulfillment of Allah’s
prophecy is dependent on the
decisions of imperfect humans?
How can the failings of humans to
follow divine directions result in the
failure of the fulfillment of Allah’s
prophecy?
Can the Word of God fail?

BETATRON:
lol...will reply to dis at the appropriate tym really have something to do now

LoL----GoD has 3 PErSoNALiTIES---lol...the father personality can send the son personality-lol--which of the 3 personalities is more authoritative?

alright.

BETATRON:
---this isn't secondary sch biology bro

A paticular doctor once said--The constituents of the
formation of the sperm of the man and the egg of the
woman derive from between the backbone and the
ribs; its beginning and origin is from between the
backbone and the ribs.”

---i see you don't know that spinal cord have a lot to do with sperm

-why is it that after a spinal cord injuries render man infertile and also have a detrimental effect on erection--what is the connection between the spinal cord and fertility?

---what is the connection between erection, ejaculation and the spinal cord----Psychogenic erection, involves conscious or mental
levels of the BRAIN, and is under the control of your
sympathetic nerves from some levels of your
spinal cord. Parasympathetic nerves from some levels of your sPINAL COrD also play important role .

----Emission involves the production and release of
semen from your reproductive glands, which propel
the sperm into the urethra of your penis. This is
cONTROLLED BY THE SYMPHATETIC NERVES from the SPINAL CORD.

---another question you should ask your self is WHY CAN'T MEN iF NOT ALL WITH SPINAL CoRD INJUrIES EJACULATE DURING SEXUAL iNTERCOUSE

----as you see..I think you should study biology a bit---production or sperm,erection,ejaculation have a lot to do with the spinal cord and spinal nerves

---tHE KoRAN RIGHT AGAIN...ALLAHUAKBAR!!!

so semen is coming from the back or kidney area and not the testicles ?

lexiconkabir:
hocus bogus! sabbath means seven not rest, just like arabic, sab'at means seven, stop twisting things up!

what do you understand by forestshadowing event ?I said" The
Sabbath is a preview of heaven, when we will forever enter into God's rest. So, the author of Hebrews encourages us to
enter into God's rest rather than falling
into disobedience."

Come to think of it, In all other days the text says,"there is the evening and the morning, the n day." There is no such closing for the seventh day.

So, what Genesis 2:3 is saying is that God stopped creating after the sixth day
Just like the steady state theory indicate in science, matter has STOP appearing.

lexiconkabir:
Malvisguy212, ah! sperm produced from the testes? where did you get that from? this rubbish has been refuted in the 17th century that truly sp'erm isnt produced from the testes but in the vesicles that lie in the abdomen(like the Quran described) and its a SCIENTIFIC FACT! lay people like you still think that sp'erm is produced in the testicles.

if the male sperm is not form in the testes, then from were does it form ?

BETATRON
Muslims claim that the Qur’an is inspired by God and it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology. Yet the Qur’an states in Surah 86:6-7 that “man was created from ejected liquid –proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.”

This echoes the erroneous theory of Hippocrates who believed that the semen originates, from the brain down the spinal chord, before passing through the kidneys and finally out of the body. (Hippocratic Writings,Penguin Classics, 1983, p. 317)

It is an established scientific fact that
both sperm and male sex hormones are
produced in two plum sized glands called the testes. The testes lie in a sac called the scrotum that hangs outside the body. This design helps to maintain a set temperature, slightly below body
temperature, which is essential for the
production of healthy sperm.

THE QUESTION IS:
How is it that Allah is unaware of this
simple fact about the functions of the
human body?
Why did Allah forget the testicles?
Why did not Allah have a clue about
sperm or the purpose of the testicles?
Can Allah then truly be the Creator of
mankind?
Can the Qur’an truly be the Word of
God when it contains a serious
scientific error?
Does it not take one lie in the Qur’an to
prove that Islam is false?
Why do Muslims reject established
modern science and blindly believe the
Qur’an when it says that sperm
originates from the mid-gut section of a
man’s body?

BETATRON:
the problem with you guys is you find it difficult to comprehend na wa oh

See funny questions abeg ..lol

Well I neva said muhammad is one of the biblical prophets lol...I only said which of the prophets we see in our church today are in the bible?--how come you didn't get that

---the bible is the handiwork of men naw--you can confirm this with the numerous contradictions in it

Compare jibril and gabriel? Lol..you're funny bro...when did the bible become a criteria for the validity of the koran---

I can't shout jare...please ask more sensible questions jare

--questions like--why did the GOd of the old testament support a lot of hedious crime
s

---why did God rest after created the world

---why did God say snakes eat dust

---how can God send himself

---how can God sacrifice himself for himself

---how plausible is trinity

---how genuine and divine is the emergence of trinity
Et cetera et cetera

you do not understand the teaching in the bible, the old testament forestshadow God plan.

1.God love required God justice, just like a father would punished his children for breaking his command, God will do likewise.
2.The Hebrew word, shabath, translated
"rest" does not really refer to a
requirement to sleep or take a break due to weariness. So what does it imply?
The day of Sabbath (REST) is a forestshadow of God plan, is one of the purpose of God creating human. Jesus say the Sabbath is made for man and not man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a preview of heaven, when we will forever enter into God's REST. So, the
author of Hebrews encourages us to
enter into God's rest rather than falling
into disobedience.
3.The Bible does not say that dust will be a part of diet of a snake. Bible talks of the serpent and its punishment. God cursed the serpent and said that serpent will face humiliation (eat dust). It was used as a phrase and not as a diet:
Genesis 3:14
So the LORD God said to the serpent,
"Because you have done this,Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals!You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.

Does this verse look like it was talking about the diet of the serpent ? This verse was a humiliation to the serpent.

I do not know which biologists you have studied. Snakes being although carnivores do taste dust in order to find
their way around.They use their tongues
to smell and by doing so and as they
crawl on their bellies, their tongue picks
up dust. The dust simply pass through
their dietry tract. The dust particles are
cleaned off the animal’s tongue. Most of
the dust would therefore be swallowed
and pass through the digestive tract.

The rest of your questions are pointing to the same direction, the nature of God, God did not send himself, it was not God the father that incarnate in Jesus christ, it was God the son. In the baptism of Jesus, WHILE JESUS IS IN THE WORLD, A voice from heaven say " this is my beloved son IN whom I am well please"God the father is in heaven.

There is ONE God.
This God has 3 personalities.
Jesus is a man.
Among the 3 personalities in ONE God, it was God the son who incarnate in Jesus. There was a time when God the son BECAME man but the was never a time when He became God, for God is eternal.

oglalasioux:
Yes, my man. Science tells me more about God than a book written by Jews who wanted to find an excuse for their genocidal killings. Galileo is my prophet. Thanks.

alright. It is well.

lexiconkabir:
you my friend are the one that needs the prayer, BTW gerra ra here mhen!

oh yes, I need His Grace more and more everyday.

BETATRON:
serious? Have you asked questions about the numerous statement in your holy book?
saying snakes eat clay,saying bats are birds,saying plants where created before the sun

Have you asked question as to how the God could SEND himself,how God could be tempted,,how God could sacrifice himself for Himself

And many more contradictory and fictitious statement in your holy book

The earlier you start asking these questions the better for you bro

the bible does not classified any biologically animals.

oglalasioux:
What is scripture? Your bible? You are deluded. A chemistry text book tells me more about God than your biased bible that contradicts itself.

then, science is your God, the bible does not contradicte itself, you contradicte the bible.

oglalasioux:
Both God and Devil, in the manner the bible teaches, does not exist. No real atheist will agree that Devil exist but he believes in a power far greater than the universe itself. The atheist's problem with religion is that it believes in an arbitrary God. The atheist's problem with the bible is that it's a very Jewish book. The Bible is a good book but so is the Principia Mathematica or the works of William Shakespeare.

you are not qualify to interprete scripture.

lexiconkabir:
I seriously dont know what to say to you, the only thing i can say is, God should borrow you some senses.

I pray God open your mind so that you could ask questions concerning what you belief, deceit from blind faith.

Nubian113:
This is beautifully put. Thank you. I wanna chat more so please be patient with me until the evening.

T

if you want to follow religion pattern, you will be lost and confused, focus on Jesus, and I assured you heaven is not far from you. Jesus say come to me and I will give you rest, its seems like Jesus know , religion will bring confusion that why He want you to focus on Him. Muhammed never encounter God face to face, he received his message through an angel, this angel claims to be Gabriel, but in reality, it was not Gabriel, Gabriel appeared to Mary ,Zakaria and many people, the first word Gabriel say is "FEAR NOT" but after 600 years He appeared to muhammed with violence character,it was muhammed wife who convinced him , he was a prophet, muhammed even admits he was being possessed by jinn. I created topics on this and the mod ban me and deleted my topics.


Most religions say Jesus was a great teacher or prophet. So focus on that great teacher. Until you do, God will
remain a blur. Consider a worst- case scenario. Suppose another religion were right and instead of following that religion, I became a Christian. Many
religions would say the Christian life is reasonably moral. So,according to them,
although I would miss top spot, my life after death would be fairly comfortable. A few claim that if I ignored their religion, after death I'll cease to exist. I
can handle that. Some say I'd get another chance through reincarnation.
That's not too bad. But, relative to almost all religions, Jesus increased the
stakes enormously. If he is right and I ignore him, the consequences are unthinkable. In addition, unlike most other religions,Jesus leaves his believers certain that they will enter heaven. Other religions typically place so many
requirements on their adherents before they could be considered worthy of heaven that their followers endure a
lifetime of uncertainty as to whether they have met those requirements.

To determine if Jesus' teaching is from God requires divine insight. Whether God grants a person this spiritual
understanding hinges on a single factor. That critical factor, said Jesus, is your willingness to obey God (John 7:17). Why
should God brother to open your eyes to spiritual truth if you are unwilling to respond to that truth? Yet, few of us are
prepared to pay that price. It involves a willingness to relinquish our hopes and
dreams for the future, to forego our pet sins and anything else God may ask.

lexiconkabir:
what is this one saying? read malvisguy, read!

Ishaq 464:
The Jews were made to come down,
and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned
them. Then the Prophet went out into
the marketplace of Medina, and he
had trenches dug in it. He sent for
the Jewish men and had them
BEHEADED in those trenches. They
were brought out to him in batches.
They numbered 800 to 900 boys and
men.
Ishaq 465:
“Then the Apostle divided the
property, wives, and children of the
Qurayza among the Muslims. Allah’s
Messenger took his fifth of the booty.”

Tabari VIII:38:
The Messenger of Allah commanded
that all of the Jewish men and boys
who had reached puberty should be
BEHEADED. Then the Prophet divided
the wealth, wives, and children of the
Banu Qurayza Jews among the
Muslims.

lexiconkabir:
you see what unnecessary hate is doing to your brain? if the banu quraytha were judged using the quran, it is people like you that will open their brown teeth and shout, injustice! injustice! now they were judged by the torah which they believe in and you say why were they not judged by the quran? why are you so lazy to read? i referred you to a thread where i talked on the issue thouroughly, you refused to look it up, you need to go for a remedial class, really! if you had perused the thread, you will see that sa'ad judgement follows deut20:12-14 line by line.

liar, the arab are the custodians of the Jewish scripture? Deception.

lexiconkabir:
Ah don die today , what i'm i saying what are you saying? did i bring christianity to this? i said the JEWS were judged using their torah, which happens to be deutronomy in the OT, letting you know that the judgement of sa'ad wasnt based on cruelty, but was based on what the jews themselves believe in, whats so difficult to understand there? take a deep breath, go to my post again where i talked about the beheading, and read with a mind of understanding, ok?

soo an arab man ignored the quran, and use the bible to judge ? You muslims can go to any lent to lie, just bring another lie , sharia law is base in the bible.

Surah 5:33-“The punishment of those who wage
war against Allah and His Messenger,
and strive with might and main for
mischief through the land is:
execution
(by beheading), or crucifixion, or the
cutting off of hands and feet from
opposite sides, or exile from the land:
that is their disgrace in this world, and a
heavy punishment is theirs in the
Hereafter;”

jakmankind:
no sir is not any day God has already name a day of worship and bless it no more other day

alright.

dominique:
He does have a point. We're too over-religious in this country yet so many atrocities are being committed all accross the regions.

so what's the solution ? Ban religion ? Politics have done worst, should we banished politics ? The truth is you cannot force people to love each other, A God of Love want people to live in peace but will God force you to love your enemy ? NO. Evil must exist. Scripture say we just have to be prepared. Thank you.