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BETATRON:alright, the verse say fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, fight them until the religion is for Allah, but you say NO , fight those who refused to pay tax. |
BETATRON:Muslims were commanded to fight the Jews and Christians “until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Allah’s commandment to fight the Jews and Christians is not because they were attacking or even planning to attack the Muslims but because the Muslims feared POVERTY. A new situation developed, resulting in the sudden loss of trade for Muslims. This was because Allah now prohibited the polytheist from entering the sacred Mosque in Mecca. Well, what was Allah’s solution for the financial reversal of the Muslims? Yes! Attack the Jews and Christians and let them compensate for the loss of trade. This is made clear in Surah 9:28 (the verse preceding Surah 9:29). We will have to read both verses together to understand the clear message of these verses. Surah 9:28-29: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you , if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All- wise. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued |
BETATRON:liar. Surah 9:29: Fight those who BELIEVE NOT IN ALLAH nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (Yusuf Ali) Does this verse say Fight those who attack first? but to “FIGHT THOSE WHO BELIEVE NOT IN ALLAH.” It also commands Muslims to fight all those who do not “HOLD THAT FORBIDDEN WHICH HATH BEEN FORBIDDEN BY Allah AND HIS MESSENGER.” This means that if you do not forbid for yourselves that which was forbidden by Allah, such as the eating of pork, then Muslims have every right to fight you. Also, Muslims are commanded to fight all those who do not acknowledge Islam as “ THE RELIGION OF TRUTH .” |
The Trinity states that: (1) there is only one God by nature (2) there are three Persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) who all share the divine nature. (3) and that all three Persons are distinct.Jesus, the Son,in His incarnation took upon Himself a human nature and was 100% God and 100% man. When He worshiped God was he worshipping Himself? When He was praying to God was He praying to Himself? No, in His human nature he was worshipping the Father who was God, because that is the proper duty of man. There are things God the father know that Jesus in his Human nature do not know, for example if you notice a demon possessed man being healed, prior to his healing, he act strange, he speak with uncontrolled voice, and he say words which in his real sense would not say, but the time he get healed, when you told him what he say, he will deny saying such things and acting in such a way, why? Because his demonic nature and human nature are DISTINCT from each other ( just as God and Jesus was ). so Jesus is a man who was possessed by God, here are proof: Jesus claimed to have many of the attributes that God alone possesses. Jesus claimed to have sent the prophets: Matthew 23:34 "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city. However, the Old Testament indicates that God sent the prophets. Therefore, Jesus was claiming the authority that was previously reserved only for God. Jesus claimed that His origins are from heaven, whereas men are from the world: John 3:13 "And no one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven, even the Son of Man. Jesus also claimed to have existed "before the world began": John 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began." This statement is an obvious claim to deity. Not only did Jesus claim to exist before the creation of the universe, but He claimed to share the glory of God! Jesus also claimed that He had "all authority... in heaven and on earth" and that everything of God was His. Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." Jesus accepted the title of God. Not only did Jesus claim the attributes of God,but He even accepted the title GOD, Thomas the ever-skeptical disciple, was unconvinced that Jesus had risen from the dead and wanted to see direct proof. However, when the Lord Jesus appeared to him, his only reaction was "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28-29 Thomas answered and said to Him, "MY LORD AND MY GOD !" Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed." What was Jesus' reaction to the title of God? Did Jesus rebuke him for calling Him "God"? No! In fact, Jesus praised Thomas for his belief. And the belief that Thomas exhibited was that Jesus was LORD AND GOD . If Jesus were not God, accepting such a statement for truth would be a grievous sin. Either Jesus is God or He would have to be a sinner! |
Weah96:alright. Long time. |
neocortex:I explained this earlier,The mosaic law are for the Jews, does who deny the grace of God He brought in the person of Jesus christ. We live by grace, the wrath of God is fullfiled in the new testament. Thank you for your time. |
plappville:Good afternoon, hope you are having good time? |
neocortex:wow, ignorance is a disease, the mosaic law is only for the Jews. You are afraid to ask questions in the quran because you may abandoned islam: Allah and Muhammad discourage Muslims from asking questions. From infancy Muslims are groomed to abstain from questioning the tenents of Islam. Surah 5:101-102: “O ye who believe! ASK NOT QUESTIONS about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble …Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” (Yusuf Ali) Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 92: Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet was ASKED about things which he did not like, but when the questioners insisted, the Prophet got ANGRY. EVEN SO, WE STILL NEED TO ASK: Why did Allah and Muhammad discourage people from asking questions? What is Islam trying to hide? Is blind faith the way to Islam? Why did Muhammad become angry at those who asked him questions? Why were people warned by Allah not to ask questions? How is that in Islam, questioning can lead to losing one’s faith? Does not this prove that even the right answers can lead to losing one’s faith in Islam? Only an information control cult would discourage anyone from asking questions. Is it rational to accept any one religion as the true religion without investigating or questioning it? Surely not! Therefore, we will now question Muslims about the teachings of Islam. |
ekefre4:enough time. No work today. The only obstacle is my battery. |
truthman2012:thank you. You need to visit this thread and see how the muslims are running awy from my questions https://www.nairaland.com/2767725/19-yr-old-pastor-impregnates-female-church#40480555 |
sparkwil:thank you my good friend, NONE of them were able to debunk my claims, Allah sanctions prostitution. |
neocortex:this guy is ignorant of his quran, do you want me to provide the same claims in the quran ? Do you think the law was meant to save human? |
neocortex:no what came out of you is trash. |
neocortex:God gave the isrealite law to show them how unable the will attain the Holiness of God with human effort. The law only show the weakness of man, if God should send the holy spirit without given the law, still you will complained why dint He send the law. |
neocortex:go and read my post, did I deny the old testament is not in the bible? |
neocortex:trash, when evil befall you, what moral lessons are you to learn in it ? Will you continue to live by that standards ? |
Rilwon:this is very funny, when muhammed enter Medina on the year of its conquest, did the pagan attack him ? Infact , muhammed followers are the ones who draw the first blood. You are asking me the old covenant? The bible verse you quote , is it old or new covenant ? So sahih bukari hadith and the quranic verse you paste are hearsay ? Okay. |
lexiconkabir:na the wahala be this. I have no issue with muslims, I wanted to stop arguing with muslims, but when I see a muslims quote verse out of ignorance from the bible, then I will reply him and add my question. |
Rilwon:muhammed fought war , if you are a true follower, you will follow his footsteps, fought war. Did you not read in the book of Jeremiah, its say OLD COVENANT?( Old testament) Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13o: Narrated ‘Abdullah (b. Mas’ud): We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah’s Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, “Shall we get ourselves castrated?” He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract (2) and recited to us: ‘O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression .’ (Surah 5:87) Surah 5:87: “O ye who believe! Forbid not the good things which Allah hath made lawful for you , and transgress not, Lo! Allah loveth not transgressors.” (Pickthall) |
Rilwon:even muhammed did not live up to what he preach, muhammed fought war and forcible convert people to islam, if you reject this, it mean you are Holier than muhammed. Jeremiah 31:31-34 31“The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE PEOPLE OF ISREAL and with the people of Judah. 32 It will NOT BE LIKE THE COVENANT I MADE WITH THEIR ANCESTORS ...... What do you understand by this verse? And will you do justice concerning the quranic verse I provide, allah sanctions prostitution? |
olayinka63:do you understand islam more than sahih bukhari and sahih muslim ? |
Rilwon:The Hadiths clearly prove the following facts: (1) Allah sanctioned Mut’a by revealing a Qur’anic verse – even considering it as among the “good things of Allah.” (2) Mut’a was practiced during the time of Muhammad under his direction. (3) It was initiated for the sole purpose to satisfy the sexual urges of Muslims. (4) Muhammad considered Mut’a as a “benefit” for Muslim men. (5) He commanded/ordered his followers to do it. The facts are very obvious and the proofs are undeniably clear that Muhammad himself permitted, no, ordered Mut’a Marriage. One must be a complete idiot not to recognize the tone of command and encouragement in Muhammad’s words. The issuing of an order is a significant matter. There is a world of difference between tolerating a practice, and ordering a practice to be carried out. All of the above quotations from authentic Sunni Muslim sources prove that Mut’a was practiced legally under Islamic law with the blessings of Muhammad. In every instance, it was permitted by Muhammad to delight the sexual cravings of his followers. Thus, Muhammad approved the enjoyment of a practice that is clearly viewed as prostitution by the rest of the civilized world. Islam even regards this sinful practice as “beneficial” and a “good thing.” Only a very debased religion will consider such a sinful act as something that is good and beneficial. |
Rilwon:what moral lessons do you learn in the quran ? Their are times when evil befalls on us because of our mistake, are we not to learn from that ? The Latter kills, the spirit give life, when Moses received the 10 commandments, almost 3000 Jews died. When the Holy spirit came, after Jesus had died and ressurected , Almost 5000 people were saved. The word of God is Jesus christ , and the word is writing in our heart. |
olempe:God has defecated satan already. Amen. |
Rilwon:are you blind or what? Did I not say , TO LEARN ? |
lexiconkabir:read my first post, you are not talking to a stranger in the quran, I have muslims root. |
Rilwon:I have no work today. Am at home. Do you want to continue this arguments? |
Rilwon:adress the prostitution in the quran. |
Rilwon:we are to learn from the old testament. Bad muslim. |
malvisguy212:The above Hadiths show that Allah revealed a Qur’anic verse authorizing the practice of Mut’a. In Sahih Muslim’s narration, we are told that Muhammad permitted his followers to “contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment” in return for the enjoyment of sex they receive from her . Alternatively, as the following Hadith shows, even “a handful of grain” is sufficient for the exchange. Muhammad clearly allowed his men to use temporary marriage as a sanctioned form of prostitution. A COMMANDMENT FROM MUHAMMAD Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 52: Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa’: While we were in an army, Allah’s Apostle came to us and said, “You have been allowed to do the Mut’a (marriage), SO DO IT .” Salama bin Al-Akwa’ said: Allah’s Apostle’s said, “If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights , and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so.” It is important to take note that Muhammad commanded his followers to do Mut’a. He said, “You have been allowed to do the Mut’a (marriage), so do it.” Can you now see the moral mire of this religion? Islam removes every fiber of decency that humans are endowed with and reduces them to levels lower than that of animals. Men, who were reluctant to engage sexually with the married captives just moments ago, now raped these very women at will after they received a single verse from Allah. ( Surah 4:24). Can one really worship a god who sanctions sins? Here what the true God say: 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5, 7: “For this is the will of God, your sanctification, that you should abstain from fornication. That every one of you should know how to get possession of his own wife in sanctification and honor: Not in the passion of lust, like the Gentiles that know not God… For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto sanctification.” For a Christian husband, there is no place for sex outside the limits of a single wife. This is the divine arrangement in a Christian marriage. Professed “Christians” who choose to act differently are acting on their own and are placing themselves under the adverse judgment of God Almighty. Marriage is the first human institution ordained and designed by God. In Christianity, marriage is viewed as a sacred institution ordained by God for the lifelong union of a man and a woman. This original principal was first articulated in the Bible book of Genesis. It is stated in Genesis 2:24: “(A man) shall cleave unto his wife; and they shall be one flesh.” Jesus reiterated this same basic position on marriage in Mark 10:8. He described the marriage union as a sacred union. Because of the faithfulness, trueness and intimacy that are meant to be in this relationship, Jesus said that “the two shall become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one flesh .” |
Rilwon:I say this to your muslims brother: yes, the old testament is part of the bible but it doesent mean ALL the law in it apply to CHRISTIANS,the New Covenant SUPERSEDE and REPLACE the Old Covenant.Christians are only advice to learn from the old testament: Romans 15:4 “For whatever things were WRITING BEFORE were written for our LEARNING that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have HOPE” God has already given us A New covenant and command us to follow . Here what God say in Jeremiah: Jeremiah 31:31-34 31“The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE PEOPLE OF ISREAL and with the people of Judah. 32 It will NOT BE LIKE THE COVENANT I MADE WITH THEIR ANCESTORS when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to[ a] them,[b]” declares the Lord. 33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,”declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.34No longer will they teach their neighbor,or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the Lord.“FOR I WILL FORGIVE THEIR WICKEDNESS AND WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE .” In the old testament their are laws that if you break, God will deal with you accordingly, God love required justice, so God deal with them accordingly, but in the book of Jeremiah God say “FOR I WILL FORGIVE THEIR WICKEDNESS AND WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE .”indicating God will have mercy and "FORGIVE THEIR WICKEDNESS" no more only if they ask for forgiveness. This new covenant was fullfiled in the new testament. The ten commandments no longer apply as law because in the doctrine of Christ they are completely superseded. In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus demands much more of us than the ten commandments. He not only forbids murder and adultery, but also the CAUSE, hate and lust. We are to love God with ALL OUR MIND,if you love God you will keep His commandments, so the key word is LOVE. No wonder Jesus give the TWO great commandments involving love God and your fellow human. So, love for God and fellowman, not just because there is a command: “You shall not kill”.Hope you understand now?. How do you explained this ? Allah SANCTION PROSTITUTION IN THE QURAN: There is a type of marriage in Islam that is known as “Nikah Mut’a (Mut’ah)” or TEMPORARY MARRIAGE. Fixed-Term Marriage, Temporary Marriage or PLEASURE MARRIAGE are different names for the Arabic term, Nikah Mut’a. This form of marriage is based on a CONTRACT between a man and woman with a fixed date of expiry. The man and woman will become strangers to each other after the expiration date. Its format is that the woman says the following to the man “I married you to myself on such-and-such a dower and for the known period of time” – where this period is stated exactly. The man’s answer will be: “I accept.” The dower can be in the form of money or something else. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13o: Narrated ‘Abdullah (b. Mas’ud): We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah’s Apostle and we had nothing (NO WIVES) WITH US. So we said, “Shall we get ourselves castrated?” He forbade us that and THEN ALLOWED US TO MARRY WITH A TEMPORARY CONTRACT (2) and recited to us: ‘O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression .’ (Surah 5:87) Surah 5:87: “O ye who believe! Forbid not the good things which Allah hath made lawful for you , and transgress not, Lo! Allah loveth not transgressors.” (Pickthall) Is this not prostitution? When muhammed jihadist was in a war as usual, the urged for sex arrived, they are allowed to marry base on contract just to satisfied their pleasure. Satanic religion. |
kodded:thank you my good friend, do not believe in All what this atheists are saying, most of them are agent of satan , serving the purpose of the devil. Their time will soon come to an end, until now, let them fill up the measure of their sins. |
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I said the bible, or is the ot not part of the bible?