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Scholar8200:
John 1:1,18 establishes the fact that HE IS GOD. John 1:14 reveals He was made flesh. Hebrews 2:9 tells us why the Word was made flesh. And Philipians 2:5-9 gives us the mindset He had while in the flesh.


58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (not " I was".)
John 8:58

Speaking of His Incarnation:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 3:13







They came from the same Source available to those who believe on Him today - the Holy Spirit by Whom the Father Indwelt Him!!! (just as HE Indwells believers today by the Spirit)

Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Acts 10:38

But NOWHERE will you find that relating to the pre-incarnated Christ that God anointed Him with power to create the World, NO WAY.

Is He God? YES.

After the incarnation was He a man - YES

During the Incarnation was He still God - YES (the pronoun He in Philipians 2 was referring to the Pre-Incarnated Christ , not somebody else, and how He became flesh)



IS HE the Father? NO

IS HE the Holy Spirit? NO

dolphinheart:
Bro, the prayer was for a reason, not to show his disciples the only true God cus he implied in that same prayer, that they already knew that.
The content of that prayer shows that jesus not only acknowledges the father as the only true God, but also adds that his power, authority and even the disciples where given to him my that only true God he is praying to. So jesus was praying to the only true God which is the father, and immediately after talking about the true God, he talked about himself stating that he is the one the true God sent to mankind. To emphasis to you that he is not the true God.
That jesus is sent by the father and that the power and authority exibited by jesus was given to him by the father resonates throughout the scriptures.
Even when jesus ascended to heaven, he still did this messaging work and remained subjected to God, despite being elivated above his companions. Even in heaven, those who will share in the divine nature will be jesus' brothers ,Gods sons!.

johnydon22:


Your first cause is a humanoid that doesn't have a cause itself, existed forever and then got bored and spoke everything into existence in 6 days, has a son and is begging for worship and acknowledgement....

Created earth before the sun and day and night before the sun.. You guys don't really check what you believe..

I wonder which one is atheistic universal explanation because last i checked there is nothing that serves as an atheistic explanation of anything most just subscribes to scientific explanations .. I wouldn't be surprised if you call scientific explanations atheist explanations having known you well..



And this external cause has no other cause? Wow am really wowed.. You don't pull out unrelated causation where you lack explanation because such assumptions doesn't answer the question.

Multi-verse is a hypothetical postulation as such it also becomes a subject of enquiry in a wider scale if proven.

Kay17:
So a car which needs an external cause must be have as an immediate cause God?

Is sin a character flaw?

johnydon22:
Sir this is not only a huge lie but a cheap one at that.. Such explanations is a religious postulation (belief) which you should have mentioned it to be.

Last i checked there is no scientific theory that asserts a humanoid speaking the universe into existence.

There are many scientific theoretical postulations on universal causality under going scientific enquiry, "God did it" is not one of them.

Gravitational singularity
Quantum fluctuation
Energy as an infinite value
Parallel or multi-verse..

Please sir when you want to make a statement, put that statement in the category it falls under because "God did it" is not even in scientific agenda but just a religious postulation (Belief)

Kay17:
Is God the immediate cause of the Universe? And can that be proven?

If sin is a character flaw which was unintended, can it be said to be a conscious exercise of free will?

Gayjesus:
No evidence still. Trust me if truly there were a god,I would be struck dead immediately I created this thread.

malvisguy212:
According to the Qur’an the final miracle performed by Allah was a
huge she-camel that he produced out of a rock.
Surah 7:73: “Indeed there has come to you a clear sign (the miracle of the coming out of a huge she camel from the midst of a rock) from your Lord.” (Hilali-Khan)
And Surah 17:59 gives us the reason why Allah stopped sending miracles anymore after he had miraculously produced the she-camel out of a rock.
Surah 17:59: “And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).” (Yusuf Ali)

As we can see, the word “Sign” in this verse denotes the visible and clearly observable miracle of Allah. The Sign or Miracle that Allah sent in this specific instant was a she-camel that was visible to the people of Thamud. The miracle was sent to open their eyes but they treated
the she-camel wrongly and killed her. After this incident, Allah decided not to send any more miracles in the future. What can we conclude by
the above words of Allah in Surah 17:59?


1. It shows that Allah has “stopped sending miracles.” This means that long before the coming of Muhammad, Allah has decided to stop
sending miracles. Hence, if the Qur’an is true, then Muhammad could
not have performed any miracle. Therefore, whenever Muslims proudly
claim that their Prophet performed many miracles, they are at the
same instant admitting that Allah lied in Surah 17:59.
2. It specifies Allah’s reason for not sending miracles. This verse states that Allah found it pointless to perform miracles “because the men of former generations treated them as false.” In other words, Allah has stopped sending miracles because people in the past did not
believe in them.
3. It shows in which period of time Allah made a decision to stop sending miracles.

More than twenty Qur’anic passages show that whenever Muhammad
was asked by his contemporaries to perform a single miracle, he either
remained silent or said that he could not do so because he was no
more than just an ordinary human being. The most explicit of these
passages is in
Surah 17:90-93:
They said, “We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to
gush out of the ground. “Or unless you own a garden of date palms
and grapes, with rivers running through it. “Or unless you cause
masses from the sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or unless you
bring GOD and the angels before our eyes. “Or unless you own a
luxurious mansion, or unless you climb into the sky. Even if you do climb, we will not believe unless you bring a book that we can
read.” Say, “Glory be to my Lord. AM I ANY MORE THAN A HUMAN MESSENGER?” (Khalifa)

We will now analyze Surah 17:59 once again but from a different point of view:
As a result of the above insolent act of the people of Thamud, Surah 17:59 testifies that Allah has now refrained from sending miracles. The Qur’an does not mention the time period when Prophet Salih was sent to the people of Thamud. But, we can say with certainty that it
must be BEFORE the time of Jesus Christ, because according to Muhammad himself, there were no prophets or apostles between the
time of Jesus and Muhammad. In other words, the only “Prophet” who
was sent after Jesus was Muhammad.

Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Hadith Number 5835: Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him)
as saying: I am most akin to Jesus Christ among the whole of
mankind, and all the Prophets are of different mothers but belong
to one religion and no PROPHET WAS RAISE BETWEEN ME AND JESUS.

The Hadith states that “no Prophet was raised between (Muhammad) and Jesus,” Therefore, Salih could not have been sent after the arrival of Jesus but before. Otherwise, it would place him between Jesus and Muhammad. Therefore, Allah must have stopped
sending miracles long before Jesus set foot on earth. Yet, the Qur’an admits that Jesus performed many miracles and it even describes some
of his miracles. Surah 3:49: And I (Jesus) heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission. (Shakir)

How can this be possible? This shows that Allah’s claim in the Qur’an
that he was the source behind the powerful works of Jesus is a lie. By
his own admission, Allah could not be the one who empowered Jesus
with miracles. He simply could not be the originator of Jesus’
miraculous works. Who then is the source of the miracles of Jesus?

malvisguy212:
Jesus is a very important figure in Islam.
Muslims believe, Jesus is just a prophet,
He was merely a prophet, a prophet
whose second coming will bring about
Allah’s judgement on the human race.

In the fourth book of the Quran, al-Nisa
(or “The Women”), we are told that Jesus
never died on the cross. Instead, Allah is a gifted trickster. Behold:

Quran 4:157 And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did
they crucify him;but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
Quran 4:158 Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in
Might and Wise.

No reason were given why Jesus was snatch from death. Allah couldn’t wait a few more days for Jesus to be executed. He needed Jesus in heaven right away. But he also needed Jesus to be executed. The solution? Snatch Jesus
from earth right now and pick someone else to wear Jesus’ face long enough to fool the executioners and the Jews.

In completing this absurd trick, Allah
must’ve known the following:

The crucifixion of Jesus would be used to create Christianity,the largest religion
the world has ever known–a rival religion, mind you. So it was all a ruse to
trick people into following the LARGEST
religion. Unfortunately for these cursed
Christian souls, Allah waited another 600 years before bothering to mention that the Divine Jesus myth in the bible was all a lie.

Those who died Prior to the coming of muhammed to clear this out , who's gonna take the blame for their unbelief ? Allah for tricking the Jews or satan ?

malvisguy212:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 427: Narrated ‘Aisha and ‘Abdullah bin ‘Abbas: When the last moment of the life of Allah’s Apostle came he started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said , “May Allah CURSE the Jews and Christians for THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” even in his dying breath, uttered curses. Please recall Muhammad’s reason for cursing the Jews and the Christians. He said, “FOR THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” We will now address this accusation of Muhammad. We will look at the facts recorded in the Bible. Moses and Jesus ,they are very important to the Jews, Moses to Judaism and Jesus to Christianity. As stated in Deuteronomy 34:5-6, God himself buried Moses to an undisclosed place and to Jesus,God removed His body. committing. Meaning it prevented both christians and Jews from being enticed to make pilgrimages or pay homage to such sites. It protected them from creature- worship. In contrast, what did the Muslims do with Muhammad’s tomb after his death? Muslims built a mosque on his tomb. His grave became a place for Muslim pilgrims to visit in Medina annually. The Prophet’s tomb at Medina is, after Mecca, the site most venerated by Muslims. It is visited with reverence in the hearts of the faithful. Ironically, these Muslims fell into the very class of people, upon whom Muhammad beseeched Allah’s curse. Unlike Jehovah, Allah did not have the wisdom or the insight to prevent the causes that could lead to creature- worship among his worshippers. The 12th century work by Qadi Iyad is highly accepted throughout the Muslim world. Al-Qadi Iyadibn Musa al-Yahsubi (1083 C.E.-1149 C.E.) wrote in his book Al-Shifa’: “Visiting his grave is part of the Sunna and is both excellent and desirable. Ibn `Umar said that the Prophet said, ‘My shafa’at (intercession on the Day of Qiyamah) is Waajib (incumbent upon me to intercede) FOR THE ONE WHO VISIT MY GRAVE.’”

Gayjesus:
I thought as much. After few hours of putting up the post, no one has evidence. I'm not interested in what you are feel about the word " God". All I need is a simple evidence.

Camp" no god" rocks!!!

krattoss:
I wish there Is a god who

..sees all the evils poverty, disasters wickedness beforehand and stops it from happening.

..doesn't keep us in the dark about his origin and identity..

..doesn't allow us to be gambling into believing and worshipping different god concepts.

... doesn't burn us in hell for using the freewill he gave us and not acting like some programmed robots..


.....but whether their is god or not, I DON'T KNOW. BUT KET NO ONE CLAIM THEIR IS WITHOU CONCRETE PROVE.. COS LAST TIME I CHECKED THIS IS 21ST CENTURY.

Vecto:
not really. what I *meant* is he made it emphatically clear only God can be good. I'm not saying he is a bad person but his human nature is fallible.

Vecto:
Why did jesus call the father the only true God? lets start with this. no diverting please.....

DabELLs:
AND JESUS DID NOT BRING NEW RELIGION... COS HE SAID " I CAME NOT TO CHANGE THE LAW BUT TO FULFIL"

Some of these Christians just run their mouths without reading their bible

DabELLs:
It is unfortunate that the Western World's media contniueosly propagates the false idea that Islam is a religion of terrorism. I was asked this kind of question many times before,and I feel that it is my duty to answer it and shed some light on those who do not have enough knowledge about Islam and about history in general.First of all, I would like to start off by mentioning few world events that included a great deal of terrorism in it:1- The Nazis and the Holocaust against the Jews was done by Hitler and the 60,000,000 German ROMAN CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN Nazis who followed him and died for his cause and ideas.m

MizJanet:
This crazy doctrine you are trying to defend is one of the reasons many throw ur religion into the dustbin .

No.1 , you are simply brainwashed , you saw Father - Son relationship , is that not telling you that one is superior than the other ? If they are equal as the trinity opined , TWINs would have been used to describe them .




And each christian has this dove within them , ryt ?

Are you not ashamed that ur god-the -holyspirit is an animal, a dove . Bull.shit .

Visitor700:
The previous Books were not preserved because:-

[size=17]1. They were only meant for a particular group of people and limited to a particular point in time. Allah revealed the Quran for all mankind and He took it upon Himself to preserve it till the last day.[/size]

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: "The Prophet said, 'I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me.
1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey.
2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum, therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due.
3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me.
4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection).
[size=13]5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.'[/size]
(Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 7, Number 331)

[size=17]2. The former scriptures were abrogated by the latter.[/size]

"Whatever message We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or one like it: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?”
(Quran 2:106)

[size=17]3. Allah didn't promise to preserve the previous books. The responsibility of preserving those scriptures was entrusted to the rabbis and the priests.[/size]

" ... And the rabbis and the priests (judged according to their Scriptures), for to them was entrusted the protection of the Book of Allah, and they were witnesses to it... "
(Quran 5:44)

Antiparticle:
Ok . I didn't think you were Christian. But please reread the part of my post about systematic violence in the name of modern Christianity.

I also do agree with you that there are several modern factions of modern Islam that are barbaric and violent, but it is not fair to throw most or all Muslims in this bucket. These violent factions are in the minority. Throwing all Muslims into this bucket of violence would erode our level of empathy towards the mostly Muslim victims of jidahists and national governments. For example, Boko Haram's victims have been mostly Muslim. The civilian collateral damage from the Nigerian military's attacks on Boko Haram also have been mostly Muslim. Also, most of ISIS's victims have been Muslim, but the civilian collateral damage from foreign bombs have also been mostly Muslim.

lanre316:
You forgot that Yahweh of the Old Testament Bible is fundamentally the same in character as Allah. Bloodthirsty and racist. The Islamic terrorism you see today was practiced by Yahweh's chosen people. Read your bible very well. #ReligionPoisonsEverything

JMAN05:
Oga go and respond to my comment to u, and u are here blessing him when his comment didn't solve ur problem.

gimakon:
Don't join this monkey and offend God.
He should go to YouTube and type "why I left Islam" hear different people and then advice himself. That religion will fight until end of time, suppose aliens were in this world, they would fight them too and drive them out,the reason why they fight Christians is mere Jealousy. That's why they use idiots from the north to do their bidding

proxillin:
So when you know Midan is in Saudi Arabia, why do your christian brothers and sisters travel to a fake mount Sinai in Israel-Palestine?

You claimed Jesus didnt speak about himself, what about the Mark, Luke, Mattew and others who wrote about him, why did they left other part?

They wrote about his birth, what happened to the rest of his life, his childhood e.t.c?

malvisguy212:
you can spend time searching for people biography, reading conspiracy theory, but you cannot research questions that border you.

The Scriptures can help us discover the
general location for the real Mount Sinai.
Exodus 3:1 plainly identifies Mount
Horeb (Sinai) as being in Midian:

“Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert,and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.”

Scripture reveals here that the region of “Midian” is undeniably the same as present-day Saudi Arabia.

This quote is from the book of enoch:

’ And he said to me: This first is Michael,
the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is
set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the REPENTANCE unto hope of those who INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE, is named PHANUEL .’10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.

The Bible never mentions an angel
named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. What blasphemy! That statement in itself contradicts everything the Word of God teaches. We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel...

" For there is one God,and one mediator
between God and men, the man
Christ Jesus. "

Repentance is strictly between a man and Jesus Christ alone not with angel.

The bible is not writing for the biography of Jesus christ, infact Jesus do not speak His word but the word which the father gave Him to speak;

John 12:49-50. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

His message was not primarily about Himself, but rather the good news that the Father ordained to be announced on earth. So you don't expect the bible to mention every details on how Jesus sleep,bath and many more.

Vecto:
If Jesus was good then the question makes no sense

SamjohnnyB:
God bless u big

proxillin:
Where is mount Sinai?

Where is the book of Enoch?

Where was Jesus christ for the missing 13 years of his Life?

The bible cannot give you answer.

If you are a muslim (which I know you are not), I can ask you questions pertaining to quran too

proxillin:
And you dont have lies in Bible and quran ? Pull off the chewing gum.

proxillin:
I gat no fckin business with quran or any religion book. I use common sense (Gift from God). Use your own.

Mohammed fought Jihad just the way Christian fought crusade in the past.

Are christians still fighting crusades up till now? No because the New world order are in control of all western liberalized countries.

Dont tell me Snowden secret revelation of CIA and USA is a conspiracy theory. If it is to you, then you need mental help.

FYI these conspiracy theories are becoming truer everyday. If they are ordinary conspiracy theory, why are they coming to pass, why are we seeing evidences ?

I still remain on my point, muslims are being used. Although, they dont know they are being used. They thought, they are fighing Jihad, but someone somewhere connected to the CIA is pulling the string.

Please read the biography of Bin-laden and Bush family, your eyes will be opened.

Teempakguy:
no sir! this discussion is not boring at all. it is the very backbone of christianity. everything that is true or right about christianity is determined by the topic. so it is not.

you failed to answer weah96 when he asked you the same question. you instead threatened him with last days nonsense and logic that did not follow.
lol, okay,
let me put the question this way. "if you were bitten by a snake, or you were poisoned by curare by atheists who don't believe in God, and you called on God to save you and prove to the atheists that he existed, how sure are you that he would answer?"