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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Jesus Called A Savior ? by malvisguy212: 8:12am On Nov 28, 2015
tartar9:
making statement as usual
are you not a muslims ? How did muhammed solve the problem of evil ? Muhammed couldn't live up to the message he deliver.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Jesus Called A Savior ? by malvisguy212: 8:08am On Nov 28, 2015
^^ furthermore what we call evil are healthy in our christians faith "bible call it a refining by fire" In Scripture, God uses evil to test his servants (Job, 1 Pet. 1:7, Jas, 1:3), to discipline them (Heb. 12:7-11), to preserve their lives (Gen. 50:20), to teach them patience and perseverence (James 1:3-4), to redirect their attention to what is most important (Ps. 37), to enable them to comfort others (2 Cor. 1:3-7), to enable them to witness powerfully of the truth (Acts 7), to give them greater joy when suffering is replaced by glory ( 1 Pet. 4:13).

It is certainly true that when God brings
pain and suffering upon people, he has a good purpose. “As for you, you meant
evil against me, but God meant it for good” ( Gen. 50:20). And in a context
dealing with the sufferings of Christians,
Paul says, “for those who love God all
things work together for good, for those
who are called according to his purpose” ( Rom. 8:28). Recognizing and
affirming this principle is an essential
element in any Christian response to the problem of evil. For it is essential to
realize that even though God does bring
evil into the world, he does it for a good
reason. Therefore, he does not do evil in bringing evil to pass.

In the last day, God’s justice, mercy, and
righteousness will be so plain to all that
nobody will accuse him of wrongdoing.
Rather, “All nations will come and
worship you, for your righteous acts have been revealed." ( Rev 15:4b

Apostle Paul, who underwent much more suffering than most of us, even says that “this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of
glory beyond all comparison” ( 2 Cor. 4:17).

Joseph was surprised at the means God
used to lift him from a status as slave
and prisoner to that of Pharaoh’s prime
minister.

For the burden of proof is, after all, not
upon us. It is the objector who must
show that the evils of this world cannot
be part of an overall good plan. I have
shown many ways in which God brings
good out of evil, even when it seems
impossible for the good to prevail. Can
the objector prove that God is unable to
integrate the present evils into an overall good plan.

Do we want to say that God is the “cause” of evil? That language is certainly problematic, since we usually associate cause with blame.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Jesus Called A Savior ? by malvisguy212: 8:02am On Nov 28, 2015
raayah:
Why is Jesus called a savior when all he is doing is saving you from the punishment he gave you?

God created heaven and earth and all that is within. Why are we being Saved from something that God created in the first place.
what punishment Jesus gave you ? God created the heaven and earth and call it GOOD, knowing full well that man need to act by his OWN freewill in other not to be a robot, this mean an opposite option of GOOD will be allowed, which is EVIL . Without evil Good cannot be manifest, its will look like slavery (being force to love God ) moral evils result from the human misuse of freedom. So God provide a solution to solve the problem of evil is Jesus christ, Jesus seth up a commandments which He did not break and urged us to follow His footsteps, Jesus is the only man who has Never sin, by following Him, we can be made holy as Him. All other prophet sin and ask for forgiveness with the EXCEPTION of Jesus.
Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding God 101: What If Man Made God by malvisguy212: 7:14am On Nov 28, 2015
krattoss:
any person that is yet to know that god is a production of human concept and wild and imaginary illusions is a REFUGEE..
Atheists commonly claim that humans
invented God to satisfy some of his fear
of death, therefore, wishing God into
existence. According to the theory, man
realized his limitations and fears and
projected an image of God to calm these
fears. In short, God is what man wishes
to be - a kind of super-man. This model
matches the gods of the pagan religions
quite well, and possibly explains the
origins of these religions. For example, in
nearly all pagan religions, the gods look
like the people - Ethiopian gods were
dark-skinned whereas Greek gods tended
to be white. So, aren't all gods just
inventions of the people who claim
them?
In contrast to the pagan gods, the God of
Judaism and Christianity does not look
like the an old man with white beards .
In fact, He is described as being invisible
to us and not some image that humans
can imagine>>>>
Hebrews 11:27
...Him who is unseen.
Acts 17:29
"Being then the children of God, we
ought not to think that the Divine
Nature is like gold or silver or stone,
an image formed by the art and
thought of man."
Accordingly, we can only see Him in His
glory when we die and are transformed
into spiritual beings. The Hebrews were
commanded NOT to make an image of
their God. The New Testament
specifically says that God does not look
like a man>>>>
Leviticus 26:1
'You shall NOT make for yourselves
idols, nor shall you set up for
YOURSELVES AND IMAGE or a sacred
pillar, nor shall you place a figured
stone in your land to bow down to it;
for I am the LORD your God.
CHRISTIANITY:
However, if people were to have
invented the God of Christianity, it is
unlikely that it would be the demanding
God of the Bible. The God of the Bible is
described as holy , without sin and
without the ability to commit sin>>>>
Isaiah 5:16
But the LORD of hosts will be exalted
in judgment, And the holy God will
show Himself holy in righteousness.
The holiness of God is described as being
above anything that humans can attain,
such that no human can stand before
Him as holy. Behaving more morally
upright than most other people is not
sufficient to escape the punishment of
the God of the Bible.>>>
Leviticus 11:45
'For I am the LORD, who brought you
up from the land of Egypt, to be
your God; thus you shall be holy for
I AM HOLY.'"
SALVATION.
In nearly all religions,salvation is
attained through human effort. Only in
Christianity does salvation come solely as
a gift from God , it cannot be earned
through human effort. Clearly, in
doctrines such as the nature of God and
the way of salvation, there is very little
common ground between Christianity
and the religions of the world>>>>
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved
through faith; and that not of
yourselves, it is the gift of God; not
as a result of works, that no one
should boast.
TRANSCENDENT GOD:
The God of Christianity also differs from
the gods of the world's religions in terms
of His nature and existence. Most of the
religions of the world describe their god
as existing within the universe. In many
cases, these gods even have parents.
Both of these attributes are logically
inconsistent with the reality of our
universe. Only a God who is
transcendent to both space and time,like
the God of the Bible,is logically
possible>>>>
1 Kings 8:27
"But will God indeed dwell on the
earth? Behold, heaven and the
highest heaven CANNOT CONTAIN THEE
how much less this house which I
have built!
CONCLUSION:
It is impossible for the christian God to
be invented because men will not invent
God that set an uphill task on how to
attain Holiness and salvation.
Romans1:22-23
Professing to be wise, they became
fools, and exchanged the glory of
the incorruptible God for an image
in the form of corruptible man and
of birds and four-footed animals
and crawling creatures.
Isaiah 1:13
"Bring your worthless offerings no
longer, Incense is an abomination to
Me. New moon and Sabbath, the
calling of assemblies-- I [God] cannot
endure iniquity and the solemn
assembly.

https://www.nairaland.com/2575407/invented-god-image-mankind
Islam › Re: Muhammad Didn't See Any Virgin In Heaven by malvisguy212: 7:02am On Nov 28, 2015
smemud:
quote the verse where 72 virgin was mentioned in the Qur'an........
Lo! We have created them a (new) creation, And made them virgins,Lovers, friends, For those on the right hand; Qur'an 56:35-38

Reconcile this verse with this hadith:

Abu Umama narrated: "The
Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that
God admits into paradise will be
married to 72 WIVES; two of them
are houris and seventy of his
inheritance of the [female] dwellers
of hell . All of them will have
libidinous sex organs and he will have
an ever-erect penis.' "
Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of
Abstinence) 39
Islam › Re: Women Prove Islam Wrong by malvisguy212: 10:29pm On Nov 27, 2015
RomanZeus:
Story undecided
Why was he given the commandment in the first place? huh
Or did yaweh not know that the commandment would cost 3000lives?

Nah maybe that sick caucasian just love seeing blood, innit?
am very sure if God should just send the Holy spirit knowing fully well that man innately know Good and bad, you will still complained, why dint He provide a law instead.

The law only revealed our weakness and how we are unable to attain the Holiness God required in us , EVEN if we are to put more effort. The law revealed to us the holiness of God. This is the purpose of the law.
Islam › Re: Women Prove Islam Wrong by malvisguy212: 10:07pm On Nov 27, 2015
RomanZeus:
See excuse undecided

Why practice their religion? huh
the Latter kill the spirit give life, when Moses received the 10 commandments, almost 3000 Jews died. When the Holy spirit came, after Jesus had died and ressurected , Almost 5000 people were saved. The word of God is Jesus christ , and the word is writing in our heart.
Islam › Re: Women Prove Islam Wrong by malvisguy212: 10:01pm On Nov 27, 2015
wolesmile^^^
Regarding inheritance the Qur’an states in Surah 4:11: “The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females.” Does not this verse mathematically establish the fact that Islam is discriminatory towards women?
Regarding testimonies in court, the Qur’an states in Surah 2:282: “And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women.” Once again,does not this verse mathematically establish the fact that Islam is discriminatory towards women? Why is a man’s testimony worth twice the testimony of a woman in the Islamic court? Since the testimony of woman is only half of that of a man, how can a Muslim woman who is raped by a Muslim man, testify against him? The Qur’an states in Surah 2:223: “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will.” How can Allah compare the husband’s dominion over his wife’s body to that of a piece of land? Is there no mutual respect for each other’s body in the relationship between a husband and a wife in Islam?
Islam › Re: Women Prove Islam Wrong by malvisguy212: 9:57pm On Nov 27, 2015
wolesmile:
I don't normally respond when it comes to religious issues. Most times I watch as people display their obvious ignorance......... truthman2012 and OLAAGBEDU especially. I have come to realize that silence is golden. Why attack other people's beliefs? Does that make yours the better religion?


Let's not dwell on the many errors in the book.... cos of course that's what biblios, Latinized to bible, means. Let's just look at a few chapters of that Man made book on the superiority of the man over the woman......


1. "Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

When the book commands the woman to be silent and subject to man, not to teach in a church or usurp authority over men, does it mean the book of the Christians does not recognize that there are far more intelligent women than men? Now @OP, is your bible in error over this?


2. Can you please help me analyze 1Cor 11:6&7? and 1Cor 14:34&35


3. Why is it that almost all chapters of your bible that talks about man woman relationship commands the woman to "SUBMIT," whereas it commands the man to "LOVE."
Or do you have a different meaning for being submissive?

If women have proven Islam wrong, then they've proven the Christian Bible more wrong!!!
Timothy 2:11-12
Let a woman learn in silence with all
submission. And I do not permit a
woman to teach or to have AUTHORITY over a man, but to be in silence.

if women are not allowed to talk in the church, then going by your explanation, women cannot pray or sing in the church ? What this verse is saying is that women can possess the gift of prophecy and when they do, they should not assume authority over the man. There is an equality in the inheritance of men and women but we do not have the same role. Even the men in the church do not have equal roles.

Considered this verse:

2 Thessalonians 3:12
Now those who are such we command
and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.

Paul says while you're at work, you
remember that you're not the boss, you
are the employee. That puts you in a
submissive role. You may be a equal
human being with equal rights, but at
work, you don't possess an equal role
along with the boss.Does that mean that while at work you cannot say anything? That you can't make a sound?
Islam › Re: Women Prove Islam Wrong by malvisguy212: 9:34pm On Nov 27, 2015
smemud:
The first thing that one should know and clearly understand about Islam is what the word "Islam" itself means. The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of Christianity which was named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gotama Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Marx. Nor was it named after a tribe like Judaism after the tribe of Judah and Hinduism after the Hindus. Islam is the true religion of "Allah" and as such, its name represents the central principle of Allah's "God's" religion; the total submission to the will of Allah"God". The Arabic word "Islam" means the submission or surrender of one's will to the only true god worthy of worship "Allah" and anyone who does so is termed a "Muslim", The word also implies "peace" which is the natural consequenceof total submission to the will of Allah. Hence, it was not a new religion brought by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) I in Arabia in the seventh century, but only the true religion of Allah re-expressed in its final form.Islam is the religion which was given to Adam, the first man and the first prophet of Allah, and it was the religion of all the prophets sent by Allah to mankind. The name of God's religion lslam was not decided upon by later generations of man. It was chosen by Allah Himself and clearly mentioned in His final revelation to man.
it was the pagans at antioch who first call the apostles " christians "the reason the pagans call the apostles christians is because the apostles didn’t follow the commercial world of the pagans. "Christian" is an adjective, not a noun. The substance is NOT in the word "Christian", the substance is in the HEART of the man it is attempting to describe, and which the pagan user cannot see. We can also identify ourselves as "bondservants" of Christ. Well, this is topics for another day.

You say islam mean submission , how do you submit ? The truth is that, Under Islam law, those who don't agree with their religion are to be killed. Muslims have no hope of being saved, because nowhere in the Qur'an does Allah offer redemption.
Islam › Re: Why Islam Will No More Grow by malvisguy212: 5:47pm On Nov 27, 2015
plappville:
They know this yet they will ask you to provide a verse that back isis or boko killing innocents. As if they are blind eyes or do not understand thier own book.. undecided
God bless you. You are correct.
Christianity Etc › Re: Speaking My Mind, Its About (islam) by malvisguy212: 8:48am On Nov 27, 2015
IAYUSUF:
This utter nonsense.
No. 1 read this article on ur poison claim
www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/prophet_poison_death.htm
No. 2 I can do the same for Jesus which we Muslims respect. But for the Jesus in the Bible I can do the same.
“Litmus Test” for True & False Prophets As was noted earlier, a prophet who presumes to speak in God's name words that he was not commanded and/or speaks in the name of other gods, is a false prophet who is to be put to death. According to the New Testament, Jesus “prophesied” the following: Matthew 16:28(KJV) - Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.  This "prophecy" was not fulfilled! The generation that Jesus addressed died 20 centuries ago! Jesus makes a "prophecy" concerning the time.

Again
"Deuteronomy 21:22-23 – (22) And if be that a man commits a sin deserving death, and he is put to death, and you shall hang him on a tree [wooden pole]; (23) His body shall not remain all night upon the tree [wooden pole], for you shall surely bury him on that [same] day, for he who is hanged is accursed by God; and you shall not defile your land, which the Lord, your God, is giving you as an inheritance.

This passage describes a scenario that can easily be applied to the crucifixion of Jesus, and it can be combined with Deuteronomy 18:20 to argue that he was a false prophet, a sin for which the death penalty is prescribed in the Torah (recall that the Hebrew Bible was the scripture in force at that time!). The issues that plague the Christian perspective on Deuteronomy 18:9-22, as described above, provide a powerful dose of food for thought with which to challenge those who promote their false claims about this passage."
But I really don't have that believe.
Pardon me I had to do this.
its seem like you are new here or you are not but only using different account.

Listen.Muhammed keep on complaining of the poison he ate which lead to his death:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59,
Number 713:
Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet in his
ailment in which he died, used to say,
“O ‘Aisha! I still feel the pain caused
by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at
this time, I feel as if my aorta is
being cut from that poison.”

Eventually muhammed died , we cannot say the same to Jesus because Jesus KNOW the timing of His death, on many occasion, Jesus narrate how He will die, if Jesus wanted to bypass His death, He wouldn't have gone to Jerusalem.

Concerning the prophecy of Jesus, were did it say , Jesus was addressing a WHOLE generation ? How is that possible? This prophecy was directed to JOHN and the prophecy was fullfiled in the book of revelation, John saw it all in a vision, as it will happen. The prophecy was fulfilled! The prophecy does not say that John would not die before Christ returned. It said that HE WOULD NOT DIE BEFORE SEEING THE RETURN OF JESUS CHRIST.
Islam › Re: Why Islam Will No More Grow by malvisguy212: 8:29am On Nov 27, 2015
aob2882:
I will INSHA ALLAH respond to what you post

CONTRADICTION IN THE BIBLE
1. Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Exodus 24:9-10(9) Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
(10) And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
Exodus 33:11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

2. Matthew 27:1-5 1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:
2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.
3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

Acts 1:16-18 16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
1.God didn't literally talk face to face with Moses, for no man can see God's face and live (Exodus 33:20). This is a figurative expression intended
to convey the intimacy of their relationship that is captured in the phrase, "AS A MAN SPEAKETH UNTO HIS FRIEND" (verse 11).
Exodus 33:11 intimates not only that God revealed himself to Moses with greater clearness than to any other of the prophets, but also with greater
expressions of particular kindness than to any other. He spake not as a prince to a subject, but as a man to his friend, whom he loves,and with whom he takes sweet counsel. The communications made by God to Moses were not by visions, ecstacies, dreams, inward inspirations, or the mediation of angels, but with familiarity and confidence with
which the Divine Being treated his servant.
2.judas hang himself, in that order, the rope broke first. Ask yourself, from were did judas fell headlong ? Judas hanged himself in the potter’s field ( Matthew 27:5), and then, after his body decayed and bloated, evidently the rope broke, and he burst into pieces on the land of the potter’s field ( Acts 1:18-19).
Islam › Re: Why Islam Will No More Grow by malvisguy212: 10:45pm On Nov 26, 2015
aob2882:
Almighty Allah have given Muslims the Divine Revelation.
PLEASE GET A COPY OF QURAN AND SUBJECT IT TO TEST YOU WILL SEE THAT IT GIVES SOLUTION TO ALL MANKIND PROBLEM.
"Do they not consider the Quran with care? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradiction."
-An-Nisa:82
1. No historical Falacies
2. compliance with modern day science
3. jurisprudence
4. guide to the mankind
5. miracle of miracle
6. it still remains in its pure pristine purity for over 1400 years
7. No revised version of Al-Quran (KJV,RSV,GOOD NEWS VERSION etc..)
how do you explained this error:
the Quran claims that one night, God took Muhammad to the "al- Aqsa" mosque is in Jerusalem:

Quran 17:1
"Exalted is He who took His Servant by
night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-
Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings
We have blessed, to show him of Our
signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the
Seeing." -
The Muslim army conquered Jerusalem
in 637 AD and the al-Aqsa mosque was
completed in 705 AD. The problem with
the above passage in the Quran is that
Muhammad died in 632 AD, which was 5years before the Muslim army reached
Jerusalem and 73 years before the al-
Aqsa mosque was built.
Islam › Re: Why Islam Will No More Grow by malvisguy212: 10:39pm On Nov 26, 2015
aob2882:
Allah says, because the son of Adam killed his brother in transgression and aggression,

﴿كَتَبْنَا عَلَى بَنِى إِسْرَءِيلَ﴾

(We ordained for the Children of Israel...) meaning, We legislated for them and informed them,

﴿أَنَّهُ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْساً بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِى الاٌّرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً وَمَنْ أَحْيَـهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً﴾

(that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) The Ayah states, whoever kills a soul without justification -- such as in retaliation for murder or for causing mischief on earth -- will be as if he has killed all mankind, because there is no difference between one life and another.

﴿وَمَنْ أَحْيَـهَا﴾

(and if anyone saved a life...) by preventing its blood from being shed and believing in its sanctity, then all people will have been saved from him, so,

﴿فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً﴾

(it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) Al-A`mash and others said that Abu Salih said that Abu Hurayrah said, "I entered on `Uthman when he was under siege in his house and said, `I came to give you my support. Now, it is good to fight (defending you) O Leader of the Faithful!' He said, `O Abu Hurayrah! Does it please you that you kill all people, including me' I said, `No.' He said, `If you kill one man, it is as if you killed all people. Therefore, go back with my permission for you to leave. May you receive your reward and be saved from burden.' So I went back and did not fight.''' `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said, "It is as Allah has stated,

﴿مَن قَتَلَ نَفْساً بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِى الاٌّرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً وَمَنْ أَحْيَـهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً﴾

(if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) Saving life in this case occurs by not killing a soul that Allah has forbidden. So this is the meaning of saving the life of all mankind, for whoever forbids killing a soul without justification, the lives of all people will be saved from him.'' Similar was said by Mujahid;

﴿وَمَنْ أَحْيَـهَا﴾

(And if anyone saved a life...) means, he refrains from killing a soul. Al-`Awfi reported that Ibn `Abbas said that Allah's statement,

﴿فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً﴾

(it would be as if he killed all mankind. .) means, "Whoever kills one soul that Allah has forbidden killing, is just like he who kills all mankind.'' Sa`id bin Jubayr said, "He who allows himself to shed the blood of a Muslim, is like he who allows shedding the blood of all people. He who forbids shedding the blood of one Muslim, is like he who forbids shedding the blood of all people.'' In addition, Ibn Jurayj said that Al-A`raj said that Mujahid commented on the Ayah,

﴿فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً﴾

(it would be as if he killed all mankind,) "He who kills a believing soul intentionally, Allah makes the Fire of Hell his abode, He will become angry with him, and curse him, and has prepared a tremendous punishment for him, equal to if he had killed all people, his punishment will still be the same.'' Ibn Jurayj said that Mujahid said that the Ayah,

﴿وَمَنْ أَحْيَـهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً﴾

(and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) means, "He who does not kill anyone, then the lives of people are safe from him.''
you say " whoever kills a soul without justification"
answer this question, what right is a man have to take a life ? You have the right to kill me as long as I reject muhammed allah and islam.
Islam › Re: Why Islam Will No More Grow by malvisguy212: 10:30pm On Nov 26, 2015
aob2882:
You see that is how the always says (parables)
at times they will tell you that holy spirit is not dwell in you that is why cannot understand the teachings of the bible.
the parable begin in verse 12:

12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

Even if we are to agree with you just for argument sake ,that this verse is not a parable,then it was this unname " certain nobleman" kill his enemies.

Read the complete story here https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19&version=KJV
Islam › Re: Why Islam Will No More Grow by malvisguy212: 10:05pm On Nov 26, 2015
aob2882:
You created topic without facts.
Who ruled by COMPULSION christians or muslims?

LUKE 19:27(KJV)But those mine enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring them hither and slay them before me.’”

Allah said, Quran 2 vs 256

﴿لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ﴾

(There is no compulsion in religion), meaning, "Do not force anyone to become Muslim, for Islam is plain and clear, and its proofs and evidence are plain and clear. Therefore, there is no need to force anyone to embrace Islam. Rather, whoever Allah directs to Islam, opens his heart for it and enlightens his mind, will embrace Islam with certainty. Whoever Allah blinds his heart and seals his hearing and sight, then he will not benefit from being forced to embrace Islam.''

﴿لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ﴾

(There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the right path has become distinct from the wrong path.)''

So where did you get you fact from.
You cannot quench the light of God with your own mouth and pen.
Please just keep on written till you realize the truth
the bible verse you provide is a parable, give us the numbers of people Jesus kill if there is any!!

the Quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also commands them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its success in conquering other cultures.
Christianity Etc › Re: Speaking My Mind, Its About (islam) by malvisguy212: 9:19pm On Nov 26, 2015
truthman2012:
Allahh is an idol who lacks the capacity to endow Muhammad the gift of working miracles. Otherwise, why would his greatest prophet be powerless spiritually?

Muhammad was looking at his jihadists languishing in excruciating pains of poison and he could do nothing as a 'prophet'. What kind of spiritually powerless prophet is that?
The pre-Islamic Arabs believed in the
demon of poetry, and they thought
that a great poet was directly inspired
by demons.

An interesting Biblical reference that
bares on Muhammad is Jeremiah 23:15,
and 23:34. In these verses God reveals
His judgment upon false prophets. Here
is the quote:

Jeremiah 23:15 Therefore, this is what the Lord Almighty says concerning the
prophets: "I will make them eat bitter
food and drink poisoned water,because from the prophets of Jerusalem un-godliness has spread throughout the land."
Jeremiah 23:34 If a prophet or a priest or anyone else claims, "This is the oracle of the Lord", I will punish that man and his household"

These verses reflect upon events in
Muhammad's life. Muhammad died from poisoning, and all of his male
children died when they were very young.
Christianity Etc › Re: To The Muslims, Why We Dont Follow The Old Testanment. by malvisguy212: 6:02pm On Nov 26, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
Malvis, would you also include blowjobs, cunninlingus etc under sexual immorality? What about threesomes?

Your God basically has rules for dicks.
grin grin grin
"Put it in this, no not that one, that one, hey don't go for the anus angry angry angry
NO anus, JESUS CHRIST, pls tell him not to put his dick in the anus. I'm gonna smite him with fire. angry angry angry

HOly spirit, baptize that guy with fire like you did Sodom and Gomorrah, let's watch him burn.. smelly assholes angry angry

Ah, so nice. thank you HS, you are a such a wonderful third person. JESUS CHrist, pls condemn his soul to hell as soon as he gets to the pearly gates.
okay.
Christianity Etc › Re: Speaking My Mind, Its About (islam) by malvisguy212: 5:22pm On Nov 26, 2015
mubarakopeyemi:

Moses was mentioned 136 times and satan mentioned 88 times. when will you desist from irrelevant argument points. Shall we say Satan is better than Jesus since his mentioned more times than Jesus?? Pointless argument
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the point is that Jesus is exalted more than muhammed. Jesus is mention at the important moment were muhammed is soppose to be mentioned, For instance, when the Quran mentions that Allah has preferred some apostles above certain others it specifically mentions JESUS and DAVID:
Surah 2:253
Those apostles We endowed with
gifts, some above others: To one of
them God spoke; others He raised to
degrees (of honour); to JESUS the son
of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and
strengthened him with the holy
spirit. If God had so willed,
succeeding generations would not
have fought among each other, after
clear (Signs) had come to them, but
they (chose) to wrangle, some
believing and others rejecting. If God
had so willed, they would not have
fought each other; but God Fulfilleth
His plan.

Surah 17:55
And it is your Lord that knoweth best
all beings that are in the heavens and
on earth: We did bestow on some
prophets more (and other) gifts than
on others: and We gave to DAVID (the
gift of) the Psalms.

Notice that Muhammad is not mentioned by name in either one of the citations.

Jesus is shown to have qualities and titles that no one else has such as being the only person called God’s Word and honoured in the next life:
Surah 3:45-51
Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God
giveth thee glad tidings of a Word
from Him: his name will be Christ
Jesus, the son of Mary, held in
HONOR IN THIS WORLD AND THE
HEREAFTER and of (the company of)
those nearest to God; HE SHALL SPEAK
TO THE PEOPLE IN CHILDHOOD and in
maturity. And he shall be (of the
company) of the righteous." She said:
"O my Lord! How shall I have a son
when no man hath touched me?" He
said: "Even so: God createth what He
willeth: When He hath decreed a
plan, He but saith to it, ‘Be,’ and it is!
And God will teach him the Book and
Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel, And
(appoint him) an apostle to the
Children of Israel, (with this message):
‘I have come to you, with a Sign from
your Lord, in that I MAKE FOR YOU OUT OF A CLAY , AS IT WERE ,THE FIGURE OF A BIRD,AND BREATH INTO IT, AND IT BECOMES A BIRD BY GOD'S leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by God's leave;
and I declare to you what ye eat, and
what ye store in your houses. Surely
therein is a Sign for you if ye did
believe; (I have come to you), to attest
the Law which was before me. And to
make lawful to you part of what was
(Before) forbidden to you; I have
come to you with a Sign from your
Lord. So fear God, and obey me. It is
God Who is my Lord and your Lord;
then worship Him. This is a Way that
is straight.’"

This is wonderful,NO ordinary man can be address like this, Jesus is highly favour than every other prophet in the quran. Jesus is the only person explicitly said to be honored in the next world.
Jesus is given specific attributes and
titles that are not given to any other
messenger.

What this all means is that it is not
Muhammad that is the most exalted
creature of all according to the Quran.
Rather, Jesus is the one messenger, the
one person, whom Allah has preferred
and exalted above all the others. Allah
has conferred upon Christ and his family an honor that has not been given to anyone else.
Christianity Etc › Re: Speaking My Mind, Its About (islam) by malvisguy212: 4:47pm On Nov 26, 2015
mubarakopeyemi:

you mean this scientific proof grin




Curing leprosy by wiping and sprinkling bloods.

Absolutely scientific. grin

It’s amazing how it goes on and on, from killing birds, to mixing up some weird flour-oil thing, to dumping this crap on your house.
Christians didn't want to put forth the life altering effort that the Bible commands (and end up Hasidic Jews) so they claimed that the crucifixion relieved them of all the Old Testament laws. But if that is the case, then why did God put forth these laws in the first place? If he's omniscient then he knew that his son (or himself reincarnate... who knows?) would nullify the previous rules so what was the point in making them?
that is ceremonial cleansing and not physical. It is important to know that there is one word used for many kinds of illnesses that have similar symptoms, and that is the word leprosy.
There were other conditions of the skin that were given the same name(leprosy) but they were not leprosy at all. Just as in all the world, there was a fear of the real type of leprosy, but they could not always distinguish on the early on set of the disease. this was a "ceremonial" cure and not a cure in and of itself. There were all kinds of animal sacrifices made for a number of various reasons.

There are only a few instances of real leprosy being completely cured in the Bible, and all of them were miraculous (none of which were cured by the ceremonial procedure). When Jesus cured a leper, he told them to go show the priest as the law of Moses states. This was the ceremonial part.
Many are quick to mock or belittle the
Bible because they do not understand. It is easy to take a story here and there (out of context) and try to belittle Scripture. But all too often, then Bible ends up being right. It sometimes takes us a while to learn.
Christianity Etc › Re: To The Muslims, Why We Dont Follow The Old Testanment. by malvisguy212: 10:52am On Nov 26, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
Lol. Such nonsense.

On a thread asking why no one follows the OT, you still quote the OT to support your point. Apparently, my point has been made.

Jesus never spoke about Homosexuality. I mean the nigga was pretty specific about other things.
Furthermore,The word translated as
sexual immorality is Porneia. This
word means: illicit sexual intercourse
adultery, fornication, homosexuality,
lesbianism, intercourse with animals
etc. So yes, Jesus warn against All
kind of sexual sin in fact
masturbation fell in the category of
porneia.
Christianity Etc › Re: Speaking My Mind, Its About (islam) by malvisguy212: 10:35am On Nov 26, 2015
BETATRON:
"What, now! When previously you rebelled and
were one of the corrupters? Today we will
preserve your body so you can be a Sign for
people who come after you. Surely many people
are heedless of Our Signs." (Qur'an, 10:91-92)
The information that Pharaoh's corpse would serve
as a sign for later generations may be regarded as an
indication that his body would not decay. On display
in the Royal Mummies Chamber of the Egyptian
Museum in Cairo is a mummified body believed to be
that of this tyrant. In all likelihood, Pharaoh's body
floated to shore after being drowned, was found and
mummified by the Egyptians, and then carried to a
previously prepared burial chamber...ok what do you call this??
is this a miracle? Was muhammed the one who performed the miracle?muhammed live in the time of pharaoh?

There are soo many verses in the bible, scientific and prophetic proof, STILL we don't indicate the bible is a miracle.
Muhammed was mention only 4 times in the quran but Jesus 27 times. The burden of proof is from you to proved if muhammed revealed what allah say to him or story from the bible we already know.
Christianity Etc › Re: Speaking My Mind, Its About (islam) by malvisguy212: 9:57am On Nov 26, 2015
BETATRON:
well my friend!! Go through the verse again and you will see that what these people asked the prophet to do are worthless miracles--asking him to own a house of Gold..it is like telling noah to bring down his god

Two--even if prophet Muhammad didn't perform miracle which he clearly did--for the koran is itself a miracle--23. "And if you are in doubt of
what We have sent down to Our
(faithful) Servant (Muhammad),
then bring forth one Sura the like
thereof, and call your witnesses
other than Allah, if you are
truthful."
24. "And if you do not do so,
and you will never do it, then fear
the Fire whose fuel is People and
Stones, prepared for the infidels."--this challenge has been in existence for 15centuries and non has been able to match it

Again even if he didn't perform any miracles--miracle isn't proof of divinity
Mattew11;11-there is non born of a woman greater than paul the baptist---when I last checked paul never performed any miracles


Now see the philosophy behind the performance of miracles--the children of isreal where held captive by pharaoh and hence needed a miraculous savior hence the miracle of moses

The people of jesus were plaqued with ailments and hence needed a miraculous physician hence the miracles of jesus

The people of Muhammad where men of literary prowess and hence the koran the miracle of the prophet muhammad

Miracles are only used when needed,,not to build a house of gold,,changing water to wine,or curse an innocent tree..that will mean abuse of miracles

By the way the surah I quoted is surat al-baqara
how is the quran a miracle? Moses and David that the quran claims ,were given a book, none of them claims, it was a miracle, if writing a book (quran) that is more of a poetry is a miracle,then we can say, the book of Shakespeare is a miracle too? Some are gifted in speech.They talk very well and make captivating speeches. Others may be gifted writers and poets. They author excellent prose and poetry. It is important to stress the fact that
language fluency, authoring and speech abilities are human talents.They are not miracles of the livingGod. These gifted persons are not
prophets of God.

There has never been a definitive text of the Qur’an because of the problem of
variant versions and variant readings.
Muhammad did not know about his
impending death. Therefore, he did not
compile a complete manuscript of the
Qur’an before his sudden death. An
unanswered question that imposes itself is this:
" if the Qur’an were inspired, why did not the angel Gabriel or another angel order Muhammad to collect it before his death?"

After Muhammad’s unexpected death in
632 AD,many of his followers attempted
to gather the Qur’an and write it in a
codex. As a result, different codices of
several scholars emerged, with different version.
Christianity Etc › Re: Speaking My Mind, Its About (islam) by malvisguy212: 9:52am On Nov 26, 2015
mubarakopeyemi:

grin so you been dey observe
oya wehaf hear.I'm not in for argument thus morning coz if its the miracle that makes Jesus special then nothing ain't special about him coz others did miracles too.
Now Face front.
Thank you.
So miracle does not make someone special? The reason why you make this statement is because muhammed did not performed any miracle, if he does, you will be the first to aknowleged miracle as proof of his prophetic calling. The appearance of the universe from nowhere by God (a miraculous event) is not special to you ? Alright. Have a nice day.
Christianity Etc › Re: Speaking My Mind, Its About (islam) by malvisguy212: 9:45am On Nov 26, 2015
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Christianity Etc › Re: Speaking My Mind, Its About (islam) by malvisguy212: 8:47am On Nov 26, 2015
BETATRON:
sincerely speaking these guys need to employ a muslim to educate them on their bible
analyze the verse if you can.

More than twenty Qur’anic passages show that whenever Muhammad was
asked by his contemporaries to perform
a single miracle, he either remained
silent or said that he could not do so
because he was no more than just an
ordinary human being. The most explicit of these passages is in Surah 17:90-93:

They said, “We will not believe you
unless you cause a spring to gush out
of the ground. “Or unless you own a
garden of date palms and grapes,
with rivers running through it. “Or
unless you cause masses from the
sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or
unless you bring GOD and the angels
before our eyes. “Or unless you own
a luxurious mansion, or unless you
climb into the sky. Even if you do
climb, we will not believe unless you
bring a book that we can read.” Say,
“Glory be to my Lord. AM I ANY MORE THAN HUMAN MESSENGER?” (Khalifa)

Is elijah ,Moses,Jeremiah and the rest prophet not HUMAN ? Why did they performed miracle with the exception of muhammed?
Christianity Etc › Re: Speaking My Mind, Its About (islam) by malvisguy212: 8:17am On Nov 26, 2015
mubarakopeyemi:
Elijah self do Miracle grin those fools remembers that name twice in 6 months. Moses self do Miracle. Their pastors gan do Miracles grin even tho its all fake na still Miracle. That girl is too dumb and myopic please don't degenerate yourself to her level. Just ignore her biko

coz sense is far from her brain lol
All other prophet performed miracle. BUT the name of Jesus is highly exalted ABOVE all other names.

Philippians 2:9 says,
“ Wherefore God (speaking Almighty God the Father) also has HIGHLY EXALTED him, (Jesus his Son) and GIVEN him a name which is ABOVE EVERY name: That at the NAME of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven,
and in things in the earth, and things under the earth; And every tongue should confess that Jesus is Lord
to the glory of God the Father.”

So we see that it PLEASED Almighty God,
the Father, to HIGHLY EXALT his Son
Jesus and GIVE to him a NAME that is
ABOVE EVERY name that is named, both
in heaven and in the earth and also
under the earth.
Christianity Etc › Re: What About Love In The Quran? by malvisguy212(op): 8:07am On Nov 26, 2015
mahdino:
You too much. May Allah continue to bless you.
Lukay99 did not say anything, All the verses he provide are only talking about unconditional love. Love for only the believers and for Allah.

Allah is said to love those who do good deeds(2:195),those who are pure(2:222), those who are righteous (9:7),and those who fight in his cause (61:4), the Qur’an is equally clear that Allah has no love for transgressors (2:190), ungrateful sinners (2:276), the unjust (3:57), or the proud (4:36). Even more significantly,the Qur’an states that Allah does not love non-Muslims:

Qur’an 3:31-32—Say [O Muhammad]: If you love Allah,then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults,and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn
back, then surely Allah DOES NOT LOVE THE UNBELIEVERS .

Verses like this are no where to be found in the quran:

Proverbs 25:21
If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to
drink.
Luke 6:27
"But to you who are listening I say: Love
your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
Luke 6:28
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah’s Invalidate His Own Revelation. by malvisguy212(op): 11:38pm On Nov 25, 2015
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Christianity Etc › Re: What About Love In The Quran? by malvisguy212(op): 11:08pm On Nov 25, 2015
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Islam › Re: Did Muhammed Curse Muslims? by malvisguy212(op): 11:02pm On Nov 25, 2015
malvisguy212:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 427: Narrated ‘Aisha and ‘Abdullah bin ‘Abbas: When the last moment of the life of Allah’s Apostle came he started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said , “May Allah CURSE the Jews and Christians for THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” even in his dying breath, uttered curses. Please recall Muhammad’s reason for cursing the Jews and the Christians. He said, “FOR THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” We will now address this accusation of Muhammad. We will look at the facts recorded in the Bible. Moses and Jesus ,they are very important to the Jews, Moses to Judaism and Jesus to Christianity. As stated in Deuteronomy 34:5-6, God himself buried Moses to an undisclosed place and to Jesus,God removed His body. committing. Meaning it prevented both christians and Jews from being enticed to make pilgrimages or pay homage to such sites. It protected them from creature- worship. In contrast, what did the Muslims do with Muhammad’s tomb after his death? Muslims built a mosque on his tomb. His grave became a place for Muslim pilgrims to visit in Medina annually. The Prophet’s tomb at Medina is, after Mecca, the site most venerated by Muslims. It is visited with reverence in the hearts of the faithful. Ironically, these Muslims fell into the very class of people, upon whom Muhammad beseeched Allah’s curse. Unlike Jehovah, Allah did not have the wisdom or the insight to prevent the causes that could lead to creature- worship among his worshippers. The 12th century work by Qadi Iyad is highly accepted throughout the Muslim world. Al-Qadi Iyadibn Musa al-Yahsubi (1083 C.E.-1149 C.E.) wrote in his book Al-Shifa’: “Visiting his grave is part of the Sunna and is both excellent and desirable. Ibn `Umar said that the Prophet said, ‘My shafa’at (intercession on the Day of Qiyamah) is Waajib (incumbent upon me to intercede) FOR THE ONE WHO VISIT MY GRAVE.’”

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