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tartar9:are you not a muslims ? How did muhammed solve the problem of evil ? Muhammed couldn't live up to the message he deliver. |
^^ furthermore what we call evil are healthy in our christians faith "bible call it a refining by fire" In Scripture, God uses evil to test his servants (Job, 1 Pet. 1:7, Jas, 1:3), to discipline them (Heb. 12:7-11), to preserve their lives (Gen. 50:20), to teach them patience and perseverence (James 1:3-4), to redirect their attention to what is most important (Ps. 37), to enable them to comfort others (2 Cor. 1:3-7), to enable them to witness powerfully of the truth (Acts 7), to give them greater joy when suffering is replaced by glory ( 1 Pet. 4:13). It is certainly true that when God brings pain and suffering upon people, he has a good purpose. “As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good” ( Gen. 50:20). And in a context dealing with the sufferings of Christians, Paul says, “for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose” ( Rom. 8:28). Recognizing and affirming this principle is an essential element in any Christian response to the problem of evil. For it is essential to realize that even though God does bring evil into the world, he does it for a good reason. Therefore, he does not do evil in bringing evil to pass. In the last day, God’s justice, mercy, and righteousness will be so plain to all that nobody will accuse him of wrongdoing. Rather, “All nations will come and worship you, for your righteous acts have been revealed." ( Rev 15:4b Apostle Paul, who underwent much more suffering than most of us, even says that “this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison” ( 2 Cor. 4:17). Joseph was surprised at the means God used to lift him from a status as slave and prisoner to that of Pharaoh’s prime minister. For the burden of proof is, after all, not upon us. It is the objector who must show that the evils of this world cannot be part of an overall good plan. I have shown many ways in which God brings good out of evil, even when it seems impossible for the good to prevail. Can the objector prove that God is unable to integrate the present evils into an overall good plan. Do we want to say that God is the “cause” of evil? That language is certainly problematic, since we usually associate cause with blame. |
raayah:what punishment Jesus gave you ? God created the heaven and earth and call it GOOD, knowing full well that man need to act by his OWN freewill in other not to be a robot, this mean an opposite option of GOOD will be allowed, which is EVIL . Without evil Good cannot be manifest, its will look like slavery (being force to love God ) moral evils result from the human misuse of freedom. So God provide a solution to solve the problem of evil is Jesus christ, Jesus seth up a commandments which He did not break and urged us to follow His footsteps, Jesus is the only man who has Never sin, by following Him, we can be made holy as Him. All other prophet sin and ask for forgiveness with the EXCEPTION of Jesus. |
krattoss:Atheists commonly claim that humans invented God to satisfy some of his fear of death, therefore, wishing God into existence. According to the theory, man realized his limitations and fears and projected an image of God to calm these fears. In short, God is what man wishes to be - a kind of super-man. This model matches the gods of the pagan religions quite well, and possibly explains the origins of these religions. For example, in nearly all pagan religions, the gods look like the people - Ethiopian gods were dark-skinned whereas Greek gods tended to be white. So, aren't all gods just inventions of the people who claim them? In contrast to the pagan gods, the God of Judaism and Christianity does not look like the an old man with white beards . In fact, He is described as being invisible to us and not some image that humans can imagine>>>> Hebrews 11:27 ...Him who is unseen. Acts 17:29 "Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man." Accordingly, we can only see Him in His glory when we die and are transformed into spiritual beings. The Hebrews were commanded NOT to make an image of their God. The New Testament specifically says that God does not look like a man>>>> Leviticus 26:1 'You shall NOT make for yourselves idols, nor shall you set up for YOURSELVES AND IMAGE or a sacred pillar, nor shall you place a figured stone in your land to bow down to it; for I am the LORD your God. CHRISTIANITY: However, if people were to have invented the God of Christianity, it is unlikely that it would be the demanding God of the Bible. The God of the Bible is described as holy , without sin and without the ability to commit sin>>>> Isaiah 5:16 But the LORD of hosts will be exalted in judgment, And the holy God will show Himself holy in righteousness. The holiness of God is described as being above anything that humans can attain, such that no human can stand before Him as holy. Behaving more morally upright than most other people is not sufficient to escape the punishment of the God of the Bible.>>> Leviticus 11:45 'For I am the LORD, who brought you up from the land of Egypt, to be your God; thus you shall be holy for I AM HOLY.'" SALVATION. In nearly all religions,salvation is attained through human effort. Only in Christianity does salvation come solely as a gift from God , it cannot be earned through human effort. Clearly, in doctrines such as the nature of God and the way of salvation, there is very little common ground between Christianity and the religions of the world>>>> Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast. TRANSCENDENT GOD: The God of Christianity also differs from the gods of the world's religions in terms of His nature and existence. Most of the religions of the world describe their god as existing within the universe. In many cases, these gods even have parents. Both of these attributes are logically inconsistent with the reality of our universe. Only a God who is transcendent to both space and time,like the God of the Bible,is logically possible>>>> 1 Kings 8:27 "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven CANNOT CONTAIN THEE how much less this house which I have built! CONCLUSION: It is impossible for the christian God to be invented because men will not invent God that set an uphill task on how to attain Holiness and salvation. Romans1:22-23 Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Isaiah 1:13 "Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and Sabbath, the calling of assemblies-- I [God] cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly. https://www.nairaland.com/2575407/invented-god-image-mankind |
smemud:Lo! We have created them a (new) creation, And made them virgins,Lovers, friends, For those on the right hand; Qur'an 56:35-38 Reconcile this verse with this hadith: Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 WIVES; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell . All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.' " Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39 |
RomanZeus:am very sure if God should just send the Holy spirit knowing fully well that man innately know Good and bad, you will still complained, why dint He provide a law instead. The law only revealed our weakness and how we are unable to attain the Holiness God required in us , EVEN if we are to put more effort. The law revealed to us the holiness of God. This is the purpose of the law. |
RomanZeus:the Latter kill the spirit give life, when Moses received the 10 commandments, almost 3000 Jews died. When the Holy spirit came, after Jesus had died and ressurected , Almost 5000 people were saved. The word of God is Jesus christ , and the word is writing in our heart. |
wolesmile^^^ Regarding inheritance the Qur’an states in Surah 4:11: “The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females.” Does not this verse mathematically establish the fact that Islam is discriminatory towards women? Regarding testimonies in court, the Qur’an states in Surah 2:282: “And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women.” Once again,does not this verse mathematically establish the fact that Islam is discriminatory towards women? Why is a man’s testimony worth twice the testimony of a woman in the Islamic court? Since the testimony of woman is only half of that of a man, how can a Muslim woman who is raped by a Muslim man, testify against him? The Qur’an states in Surah 2:223: “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will.” How can Allah compare the husband’s dominion over his wife’s body to that of a piece of land? Is there no mutual respect for each other’s body in the relationship between a husband and a wife in Islam? |
wolesmile:Timothy 2:11-12 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have AUTHORITY over a man, but to be in silence. if women are not allowed to talk in the church, then going by your explanation, women cannot pray or sing in the church ? What this verse is saying is that women can possess the gift of prophecy and when they do, they should not assume authority over the man. There is an equality in the inheritance of men and women but we do not have the same role. Even the men in the church do not have equal roles. Considered this verse: 2 Thessalonians 3:12 Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread. Paul says while you're at work, you remember that you're not the boss, you are the employee. That puts you in a submissive role. You may be a equal human being with equal rights, but at work, you don't possess an equal role along with the boss.Does that mean that while at work you cannot say anything? That you can't make a sound? |
smemud:it was the pagans at antioch who first call the apostles " christians "the reason the pagans call the apostles christians is because the apostles didn’t follow the commercial world of the pagans. "Christian" is an adjective, not a noun. The substance is NOT in the word "Christian", the substance is in the HEART of the man it is attempting to describe, and which the pagan user cannot see. We can also identify ourselves as "bondservants" of Christ. Well, this is topics for another day. You say islam mean submission , how do you submit ? The truth is that, Under Islam law, those who don't agree with their religion are to be killed. Muslims have no hope of being saved, because nowhere in the Qur'an does Allah offer redemption. |
plappville:God bless you. You are correct. |
IAYUSUF:its seem like you are new here or you are not but only using different account. Listen.Muhammed keep on complaining of the poison he ate which lead to his death: Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 713: Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O ‘Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.” Eventually muhammed died , we cannot say the same to Jesus because Jesus KNOW the timing of His death, on many occasion, Jesus narrate how He will die, if Jesus wanted to bypass His death, He wouldn't have gone to Jerusalem. Concerning the prophecy of Jesus, were did it say , Jesus was addressing a WHOLE generation ? How is that possible? This prophecy was directed to JOHN and the prophecy was fullfiled in the book of revelation, John saw it all in a vision, as it will happen. The prophecy was fulfilled! The prophecy does not say that John would not die before Christ returned. It said that HE WOULD NOT DIE BEFORE SEEING THE RETURN OF JESUS CHRIST. |
aob2882:1.God didn't literally talk face to face with Moses, for no man can see God's face and live (Exodus 33:20). This is a figurative expression intended to convey the intimacy of their relationship that is captured in the phrase, "AS A MAN SPEAKETH UNTO HIS FRIEND" (verse 11). Exodus 33:11 intimates not only that God revealed himself to Moses with greater clearness than to any other of the prophets, but also with greater expressions of particular kindness than to any other. He spake not as a prince to a subject, but as a man to his friend, whom he loves,and with whom he takes sweet counsel. The communications made by God to Moses were not by visions, ecstacies, dreams, inward inspirations, or the mediation of angels, but with familiarity and confidence with which the Divine Being treated his servant. 2.judas hang himself, in that order, the rope broke first. Ask yourself, from were did judas fell headlong ? Judas hanged himself in the potter’s field ( Matthew 27:5), and then, after his body decayed and bloated, evidently the rope broke, and he burst into pieces on the land of the potter’s field ( Acts 1:18-19). |
aob2882:how do you explained this error: the Quran claims that one night, God took Muhammad to the "al- Aqsa" mosque is in Jerusalem: Quran 17:1 "Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al- Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing." - The Muslim army conquered Jerusalem in 637 AD and the al-Aqsa mosque was completed in 705 AD. The problem with the above passage in the Quran is that Muhammad died in 632 AD, which was 5years before the Muslim army reached Jerusalem and 73 years before the al- Aqsa mosque was built. |
aob2882:you say " whoever kills a soul without justification" answer this question, what right is a man have to take a life ? You have the right to kill me as long as I reject muhammed allah and islam. |
aob2882:the parable begin in verse 12: 12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. Even if we are to agree with you just for argument sake ,that this verse is not a parable,then it was this unname " certain nobleman" kill his enemies. Read the complete story here https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19&version=KJV |
aob2882:the bible verse you provide is a parable, give us the numbers of people Jesus kill if there is any!! the Quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also commands them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its success in conquering other cultures. |
truthman2012:The pre-Islamic Arabs believed in the demon of poetry, and they thought that a great poet was directly inspired by demons. An interesting Biblical reference that bares on Muhammad is Jeremiah 23:15, and 23:34. In these verses God reveals His judgment upon false prophets. Here is the quote: Jeremiah 23:15 Therefore, this is what the Lord Almighty says concerning the prophets: "I will make them eat bitter food and drink poisoned water,because from the prophets of Jerusalem un-godliness has spread throughout the land." Jeremiah 23:34 If a prophet or a priest or anyone else claims, "This is the oracle of the Lord", I will punish that man and his household" These verses reflect upon events in Muhammad's life. Muhammad died from poisoning, and all of his male children died when they were very young. |
sonOfLucifer:okay. |
mubarakopeyemi:the point is that Jesus is exalted more than muhammed. Jesus is mention at the important moment were muhammed is soppose to be mentioned, For instance, when the Quran mentions that Allah has preferred some apostles above certain others it specifically mentions JESUS and DAVID: Surah 2:253 Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to JESUS the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If God had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If God had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but God Fulfilleth His plan. Surah 17:55 And it is your Lord that knoweth best all beings that are in the heavens and on earth: We did bestow on some prophets more (and other) gifts than on others: and We gave to DAVID (the gift of) the Psalms. Notice that Muhammad is not mentioned by name in either one of the citations. Jesus is shown to have qualities and titles that no one else has such as being the only person called God’s Word and honoured in the next life: Surah 3:45-51 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in HONOR IN THIS WORLD AND THE HEREAFTER and of (the company of) those nearest to God; HE SHALL SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE IN CHILDHOOD and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: God createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, ‘Be,’ and it is! And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel, And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): ‘I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I MAKE FOR YOU OUT OF A CLAY , AS IT WERE ,THE FIGURE OF A BIRD,AND BREATH INTO IT, AND IT BECOMES A BIRD BY GOD'S leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by God's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe; (I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear God, and obey me. It is God Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.’" This is wonderful,NO ordinary man can be address like this, Jesus is highly favour than every other prophet in the quran. Jesus is the only person explicitly said to be honored in the next world. Jesus is given specific attributes and titles that are not given to any other messenger. What this all means is that it is not Muhammad that is the most exalted creature of all according to the Quran. Rather, Jesus is the one messenger, the one person, whom Allah has preferred and exalted above all the others. Allah has conferred upon Christ and his family an honor that has not been given to anyone else. |
mubarakopeyemi:that is ceremonial cleansing and not physical. It is important to know that there is one word used for many kinds of illnesses that have similar symptoms, and that is the word leprosy. There were other conditions of the skin that were given the same name(leprosy) but they were not leprosy at all. Just as in all the world, there was a fear of the real type of leprosy, but they could not always distinguish on the early on set of the disease. this was a "ceremonial" cure and not a cure in and of itself. There were all kinds of animal sacrifices made for a number of various reasons. There are only a few instances of real leprosy being completely cured in the Bible, and all of them were miraculous (none of which were cured by the ceremonial procedure). When Jesus cured a leper, he told them to go show the priest as the law of Moses states. This was the ceremonial part. Many are quick to mock or belittle the Bible because they do not understand. It is easy to take a story here and there (out of context) and try to belittle Scripture. But all too often, then Bible ends up being right. It sometimes takes us a while to learn. |
sonOfLucifer:Furthermore,The word translated as sexual immorality is Porneia. This word means: illicit sexual intercourse adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc. So yes, Jesus warn against All kind of sexual sin in fact masturbation fell in the category of porneia. |
BETATRON:is this a miracle? Was muhammed the one who performed the miracle?muhammed live in the time of pharaoh? There are soo many verses in the bible, scientific and prophetic proof, STILL we don't indicate the bible is a miracle. Muhammed was mention only 4 times in the quran but Jesus 27 times. The burden of proof is from you to proved if muhammed revealed what allah say to him or story from the bible we already know. |
BETATRON:how is the quran a miracle? Moses and David that the quran claims ,were given a book, none of them claims, it was a miracle, if writing a book (quran) that is more of a poetry is a miracle,then we can say, the book of Shakespeare is a miracle too? Some are gifted in speech.They talk very well and make captivating speeches. Others may be gifted writers and poets. They author excellent prose and poetry. It is important to stress the fact that language fluency, authoring and speech abilities are human talents.They are not miracles of the livingGod. These gifted persons are not prophets of God. There has never been a definitive text of the Qur’an because of the problem of variant versions and variant readings. Muhammad did not know about his impending death. Therefore, he did not compile a complete manuscript of the Qur’an before his sudden death. An unanswered question that imposes itself is this: " if the Qur’an were inspired, why did not the angel Gabriel or another angel order Muhammad to collect it before his death?" After Muhammad’s unexpected death in 632 AD,many of his followers attempted to gather the Qur’an and write it in a codex. As a result, different codices of several scholars emerged, with different version. |
mubarakopeyemi:So miracle does not make someone special? The reason why you make this statement is because muhammed did not performed any miracle, if he does, you will be the first to aknowleged miracle as proof of his prophetic calling. The appearance of the universe from nowhere by God (a miraculous event) is not special to you ? Alright. Have a nice day. |
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BETATRON:analyze the verse if you can. More than twenty Qur’anic passages show that whenever Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries to perform a single miracle, he either remained silent or said that he could not do so because he was no more than just an ordinary human being. The most explicit of these passages is in Surah 17:90-93: They said, “We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to gush out of the ground. “Or unless you own a garden of date palms and grapes, with rivers running through it. “Or unless you cause masses from the sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or unless you bring GOD and the angels before our eyes. “Or unless you own a luxurious mansion, or unless you climb into the sky. Even if you do climb, we will not believe unless you bring a book that we can read.” Say, “Glory be to my Lord. AM I ANY MORE THAN HUMAN MESSENGER?” (Khalifa) Is elijah ,Moses,Jeremiah and the rest prophet not HUMAN ? Why did they performed miracle with the exception of muhammed? |
mubarakopeyemi:All other prophet performed miracle. BUT the name of Jesus is highly exalted ABOVE all other names. Philippians 2:9 says, “ Wherefore God (speaking Almighty God the Father) also has HIGHLY EXALTED him, (Jesus his Son) and GIVEN him a name which is ABOVE EVERY name: That at the NAME of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and in things in the earth, and things under the earth; And every tongue should confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” So we see that it PLEASED Almighty God, the Father, to HIGHLY EXALT his Son Jesus and GIVE to him a NAME that is ABOVE EVERY name that is named, both in heaven and in the earth and also under the earth. |
mahdino:Lukay99 did not say anything, All the verses he provide are only talking about unconditional love. Love for only the believers and for Allah. Allah is said to love those who do good deeds(2:195),those who are pure(2:222), those who are righteous (9:7),and those who fight in his cause (61:4), the Qur’an is equally clear that Allah has no love for transgressors (2:190), ungrateful sinners (2:276), the unjust (3:57), or the proud (4:36). Even more significantly,the Qur’an states that Allah does not love non-Muslims: Qur’an 3:31-32—Say [O Muhammad]: If you love Allah,then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults,and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah DOES NOT LOVE THE UNBELIEVERS . Verses like this are no where to be found in the quran: Proverbs 25:21 If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. Luke 6:27 "But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, Luke 6:28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. |
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