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sonOfLucifer:
Oh I did. What makes you good? Being a Christian?

any christian who obey the commandments Jesus bring, is a "christ-like". Just like I say in the other thread, Christians are people
who consider themselves such moral failures that they have come to Jesus for help and forgiveness. Making it
spiritually depends NOT on how popular or nice we are, but how much we want God to rule our life and change us.

Silly thread and unreasonable posts. Who even force you entering heaven? Atheists are not worthy.

sonOfLucifer:
Yeah, I am malicious, cruel and vile. Only Christians are good and sweet and nice.

Even we good
people have quite a bit of evil running
through us..[/quote]maby you did not read the op before you coment.

plappville:
What a bias reply! I see how Muhammad who came 550-600 yrs later witnessed it. And We can also see how useful this has been.

perfect!!

sonOfLucifer:
And that's how you become a slave.

yeah, that is the painful part, we will have to deal with people like you

malvisguy212:
A painful reality of life is that we share
this planet with some people who are
malicious, cruel, and vile..

A painful reality of life is that we share
this planet with some people who are
malicious, cruel, and vile. So we have to answer the question,"How do we handle dangerous people?"
We wonder: Why are there evil and
dangerous people in the world? Why
doesn't God just get rid of them?How
are we supposed to handle them?
Jesus once told a short farming story
that seems so simple. But in this little
story he gives some surprising answers
to these questions. Jesus answers these questions in the parable of the farmer in Matthew 13:3-9:

3 Then he
told them many things in parables,
saying: “A farmer went out to sow his
seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed,
some fell along the path, and the birds
came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky
places,where it did not have much soil.
It sprang up quickly, because the soil was
shallow. 6 But when the sun came up,
the plants were scorched, and they
withered because they had no root. 7
Other seed fell among thorns, which
grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still
other seed fell on good soil,where it
produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or
thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever
has ears, let them hear.”

In the story , seeds represent people , there is an enemy to God,
the Devil, who sneaks in and creates
evil people who are "children of the
evil one." These are people who cause others to sin, who cause scandal, whose life is all about doing whatever they want, and if it hurts and ruins other people, who cares? Why will Jesus remove them? Because he wants justice to be done and people to be protected and the innocent and
righteous to live in safety and joy.

FOUR WAYS TO RESPONS TO SUFFERING AT THE HAND OF EVIL PEOPLE:
1. Expect to suffer. It's comforting to
know that God will bring full justice
later. But since God's allowing evil
people to continue on for now, you can
expect to suffer some. Don't take suffering as a sign that you're doing anything wrong. It's not because you're a sinner. It's not because God has abandoned you. It's because in this life, WHEAT ALWAY'S SURROUNDED BY WEEDS.

2. Pray to be protected and delivered
from evil. Jesus prayed for our protection: "My prayer is not that you
take them out of the world but that you
protect them from the evil one."
And he taught his followers to pray for
deliverance: "Our Father, lead us not
into temptation, but deliver us from
evil."

3. Do not take revenge. In the Bible's
view, the real danger is not that
dangerous people will hurt you. God
can work that hurt for your ultimate
good. The real danger is that you'll take
revenge and become a crazed, angry,
and vindictive person. Proverbs 20:22
In fact, with God's help, you can even
move from I'm gonna get back at them
so bad to I'm gonna find a way to treat
them well. Romans 12:17, 19–21
God will settle the score for those huge,
specific wrongs that were done to you.
You can move on and live your life. What we consider evil are infact healthy to our road to salvation, bible call it "a refining by fire"

4. Thank God that he's made a way for
weeds to become wheat. Even we good
people have quite a bit of evil running
through us.
If Jesus let us immediately get rid of all
the evil people in this world, not only
would it get rid of the people who are
90 percent evil, but also the people
who are 9 percent evil. Are we so good
that we are ready for that?
Thank God, he created a way that my
weedy self could be changed into wheat. It's called grace. He made a way through Jesus, so that when Jesus comes in all his power and forever removes from this world everything that causes sin and all who do evil, he doesn't have to remove me.

tenderlaw:
You are a concrete zombie for this statement. What stops them from going to Sambisa/Afghanistan /Saudi Arabia to preach? Are those places not worthy of d message?

if you ask your questions in a proper way, I will answer you, but you are so rude and vile, thank but no thank from were you learn this bad moral behavior.

I will just give you a hint, evil people are predistine to fullfiled the purpose of God, this boko haram, their heart has been seal? Read isaiah 6 from verse 10.

10
Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.[ a]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”
11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?”
And he answered:
“Until the cities lie ruined
and without inhabitant,
until the houses are left deserted
and the fields ruined and ravaged,
12
until the Lord has sent everyone far away
and the land is utterly forsaken.

And the parable of the farmer in Matthew 13 indicate it was the devil that planted this seeds( in parables, seed are people)

lovely17:
Sighs this annoys me like hell especially in Lagos Trains and BRTs, some don't even preach they just come to Advertise fake drugs mtchew

the reason it is annoying you is because you are NOT allowing the HOLY spirit to convicte you. You are substituting holy for corruption. My good friend, this preachers will not received INSULT if their message is not true, I mean the apostles will not give their LIFE for false doctrine. Thank you.

Solomon19:
I want everything to turn around for me,have fast and don alot, but noting is working,am a chorister in my church,but nottin is work,have don alot of spiritual work...to no avail...Please advise me

do not listen to this atheists , they are children of the devil. Take all your time, read , God will answer your prayer.

There has been times in my life when
I have been up and down, times when
prayer seems to come easy, and times
when prayer doesn't come easy at all.
There is something, I think, in man that
makes it hard to pray, but what is it? Why should anyone have difficulty in praying?

Is it because we think that God will not
hear us? That's a possibility. I've heard
people speak about getting on their
knees to pray and having the feeling that their prayers were bouncing off the
ceiling, going no higher than the ceiling,
that nobody was hearing it but them.
They don't think God is actually hearing
what they are saying.
They may feel that way because they
feel unworthy, or because they feel God
is down on them. They may feel that God has somehow shut them up and won't listen to them.

Is it because we don't think it will change anything? And if that's the case, is it because we just don't believe? Or that we believe that God is going to do what He's going to do regardless of what we ask? “What's the point in praying about this? I'm going to pray and I'm going to ask God to do this, but God already knows what's best, and He's going to do what's best, and I'm going to say 'Thy will be done,' and what's the
point in asking because His will is going
to be done anyway?” Maybe we don't
pray a lot because we think it isn't going
to change anything. God will just do what he's going to do whether we ask Him to do it or not.

SOLUTION;
Luke 11:1-2, "And it came to pass,
that, as he was praying in a
certain place, when he ceased,
one of his disciples said unto
him, Lord, teach us to pray, as
John also taught his disciples.
And he said unto them, When ye
pray, say…"

Now, most people can, without reading
their bible, can site what Jesus said
about how you are to pray. So, Jesus
gives what is called “the Lord's Prayer,”
but he continues, he's NOT THROUGH
TEACHING THEM HOW TO PRAY! The
“Lord's Prayer” is not all he said in
response to the question, “Lord, teach us to pray.”the Lord prayer was just like an idea on what to say when praying , the next verse gives us the right
attitude;continue;
Luke 11:5-7, "And he said unto them,
Which of you shall have a friend, and
shall go unto him at midnight, and say
unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;
For a friend of mine in his journey is
come to me, and I have nothing to set
before him? And he from within shall
answer and say, Trouble me not: the
door is now shut, and my children are
with me in bed; I cannot rise and give
thee."
"Jesus' listeners would have considered
the response of the man who was in bed absolutely unconscionable"
Luke 11:8, "I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet BECAUSE OF HIS
IMPORTUNITY he will rise and give him
as many as he needeth."

What's going on here? Well the man's
not going to go away! He's going to
stay down there; he's going to keep
on knocking on the door. He's going to
say, “get up and get me some bread!
I'm not going to let you sleep until you
get up and come out here and give me
three loaves of bread.
The word for “importunity” in the Greek
literally means “SHAMLESNESS.” Without shame. I think that's absolutely
fascinating, because a modest man
would say, “Gee. I asked and he didn't
give me any bread. Well, I guess I better
go away now because I must be causing
him a lot of inconvenience.” No, he is
shameless!
THERE ARE THREE EXAMPLES OF
IMPORTUNITY;
EXAMPLE ONE
Luke 18:1-8, "And he spake a parable
unto them to this end, that men ought
always to pray, and not to faint; Saying,
There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man: And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary. And he would not for
a while: but afterward he said within
himself, Though I fear not God, nor
regard man; YET BECAUSE THIS WIDOW
TROUBLETH ME,I WILL AVENGE HER,LEST BY HER CONTINUE COMING SHE WEARY ME. And the Lord said,

Hear what the unjust judge saith. And
shall not God avenge his own elect,
which cry day and night unto him,
though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily."
Here is a judge that was fearless, and
would not avenge this widow's
adversary. But she kept asking him
OVER and OVER and the judge finally
gave in to her requests, lest she
weary him by her continual coming.
EXAMPLE TWO:
Luke 18:35-39, "And it came to pass, that as he was come nigh unto Jericho, a
certain blind man sat by the way side
begging: And hearing the multitude pass by, he asked what it meant. And
they told him, that Jesus of Nazareth
passeth by. And he cried, saying, Jesus,
thou Son of David, have mercy on me.
And they which went before REBUKE
HIM, that he should HOLD his peace…"

They rebuked him. They told him to
shut up and be quiet! To stay out of
the way.BUT
Luke 18:39, "...but he cried so much the
more, Thou Son of David, have mercy on
me."
What happens to this man if he shuts
up? He's not healed. Yet, there were
people there who were trying to talk
him out of it, telling him to hush. He
didn't hush, he kept yelling. He cried
out!
Luke 18:40-43, "And Jesus stood, and
commanded him to be brought unto him: and when he was come near, he asked him, Saying, What wilt thou that I
shall do unto thee? And he said, Lord,
that I may receive my sight. And Jesus
said unto him, Receive thy sight: THY
FAITH HATH SAVED THEE. And
immediately he received his sight, and
followed him, glorifying God: and all the people, when they saw it, gave praise unto God."
What's faith? Is it a feeling?Is it a mood? An emotion? Faith is a persistence, a boldness. It was his boldness and persistence that got this man his eyesight. It's not a mood, it's not a feeling. Think about it. Jesus said his bold, persistent, aggressive faith has saved him!
EXAMPLE THREE:
Matthew 15:22, "And, behold, a woman
of Canaan came out of the same coasts,
and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy
on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my
daughter is grievously vexed with a
devil."
This is a Gentile woman, and Jesus
did not answer her a word. Didn't say
a thing to her, just ignored her! Actually,
strange women weren't supposed to be
talking to strange men like this. Jesus'
manners may seem rude to you, but they were the norm for this time.
Matthew 15:23-26, "But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, SEND HER AWAY;FOR SHE CRIETH AFTER US. But he
answered and said, I am not sent
but unto the lost sheep of the house of
Israel. Then came she and worshipped
him, saying, Lord, HELP ME. But he
answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."

First he ignores her, and then he
insults her! “This is not for you, you
dog! This is for the children. You Gentiles are not in that category of God's children. BUT SHE KEEP ON PRESSING ON:
Matthew 15:27, "And she said, Truth,
Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs
which fall from their masters' table."
This is similar to what happened to a
man named Jacob when he wrestled,
physically, with God, and who put
God in a hold and said, "...I will not
let thee go, except thou bless
me" (Genesis 32:24-30). He wrestled
all night long and said he would not let
him go until he blesses him! God even
put the hollow of Jacob's thigh out of
joint, and he still wouldn't let him go!
These people would stand up to God,
believe it or not. This woman continued
to persist in the argument. And what
happened?
Matthew 15:28, "Then Jesus answered
and said unto her, O woman, GREAT IS
THY FAITH : be it unto thee even as thou
wilt. And her daughter was made whole
from that very hour."
What's he talking about? He's talking
about her boldness, her persistence, her drive, her energy, her willingness
to hang in there and not give up on her
daughter's sake. Sometimes we can find
more faith for our children than we can
for ourselves. This woman certainly did.
Notice Jesus' response when he saw this
kind of faith, this kind of persistent
boldness. He said, “I'll give you anything
you want!” And her daughter was made
whole from that very hour. And Jesus
told her that her bold, persistent,
aggressive faith has saved her daughter.

Continue from the Lord prayer;

Luke 11:9-10, "And I say unto you, Ask,
and it shall be given you; seek, and ye
shall find; knock, and it shall be opened
unto you. For every one that asketh
receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth;
and to him that knocketh it shall be
opened."
One thing you can say for sure is that
a man who doesn't ask is not going to
get it, a man who isn't looking for it isn't
going to find it, and a man who doesn't
knock on the door will never get it open.
Luke 11:11-13, "If a son shall ask bread
of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he
shall ask an egg, will he offer him a
scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know
how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

You need to understand, the point that is being made here is not that God is a bad neighbor, the point is that if you expect to be heard of God you're going to have to knock and you're going to have to be persistent in what you do, and you are going to have to be shameless.
CONCLUSION;
Well, the scriptural doctrine of faith is an ACTIVE , persistent, bold approach to
God. We seem to think that faith is a
PASSIVE virtue; that it's a set of BELIEFS
or a way of THINKING , whereas in
scripture it's a way of acting! That's where, possibly, the difference may come in.

https://www.nairaland.com/2318252/reason-why-prayer-not-being

All those who are condemning this preacher, what if the man is a genuine preacher's ? Romans 10 from verse 14 say;

14 How, then, can they call on the one
they have not believed in? And how can
they believe in the one of whom they
have NOT HEARD? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”[ g]
16 But not all the Israelites accepted the
good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who
has believed our message?”[ h] 17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing
the message, and the message is heard
through the word about Christ. 18 But I
ask: Did they not hear? Of course they
did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the
earth,their words to the ends of the world.”[i]
19 Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says,
“I will make you envious by those who
are not a nation;
I will make you angry by a nation that
has no understanding.”[ j]
20 And Isaiah boldly says,
“I was found by those who did not seek
me;
I revealed myself to those who did not
ask for me.”[ k]
21 But concerning Israel he says,
“All day long I have held out my hands
to a disobedient and obstinate people.”[l]

nurex01:
@Malvis012, xan u be called a christian? If yes ur proof and if no ur evidence

what ? Do you want me to proved , I am a christian? nonsense question from a confused muslim.

DoubleDeeX:
Nice bro! Morning to you...

morning to you too my good friend. The weather is cold.

nurex01
1. Jesus never came to seth up a religion, instead He came to reconcile us to the Father ,it was the pagan at antioch who first call the disciples christians because the disciples did not follow the commercial world of the pagan.
2. Even the apostles never call themselves christians, they call themselves as follow ;
"brethren", "disciples", "apostles", "servants", "believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints." We can also identify ourselves as "bondservants" of Christ.
The servants of Christ belong to the
kingdom of God. If you do not belong
to a certain kingdom, you are labeled or named by that kingdom to be of another kingdom. For example If you are a constituent of a Kingdom, you do not name one in the same Kingdom any
thing; but you call them according to
the relation between the two of you

3. For your mind, the building is the church? Alright. Luke 4 record Jesus preaching in the synagogue:
Luke 4:44.And he kept on preaching
in the synagogues of Judea.
4.English dictionary defined scripture as bible. In 2 Timothy 3:16, we are told that all SCRIPTURE is inspired. The word used for inspiration is theopneustos which means “GOD-BREATHED,” implying that what was written had its origin in God Himself.
5.psalm 84:5 What joy for those whose strength comes from the LORD, who have set their minds on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem.

The rest 5 are not worth replying, every christians know what that verses are talking about, even your prophet do not understand trinity how much more you, muhammed thought the trinity including Mary. Very funny prophet.

Jesus in His days denounced religious hypocrites, confront the teachers of the law to removed the beem in their eyes to see clearly to remove other.

Hypocrites are people who claim to be morally better than they really are. Authentic Christians claim to be so bad
that they deserve no forgiveness from God. Christians are people who consider themselves such moral failures that they have come to Jesus for help and
forgiveness. Making it spiritually depends NOT on how popular or nice we are, but how much we want God to RULE OUR LIFE AND CHANGE US.

Cavenchy:
Okay I think I have seen enough in one thread. This is what I'll say:

Now to the OP. remember this: Without darkness, light can not be desired, and darkness as we know it is only the absence of light. This means that Light uses energy that is powered by a source and darkness is everything that exists if we haven't seen the Light and what it offers. Light reveals the obvious and darkness conceals the details of truth.

Darkness has no energy and can not overcome light, its only an absence of the light. So whatever evil you encountered could not overpower the you within if it was full of light but the you without which didnt have light. Notice my use of with and without? God is Light and if you are without the Light all that is darkness(evil) would be present, you can't live a life that is void of these two elements either will find you. A simple example in physics: No one can deny the fact that the shadow is the patch of darkness that the light didnt cover and as soon as the light goes away, the darkness expands.

Now to everyone who cares to read:
Worship of self, or self religion is totally satanic. If you didnt create yourself you have no right to worship yourself, this is the greatest deception satan uses to turn people away from their true creator, its the same error in judgement satan made that got him cast out of heaven, satan wanted to place itself above the Divine God that created it.

God doesnt destroy the soul, the body is but a garment and God has made it clear in so many ways that the Body is not half as important as the soul (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his soul?).


If you are Christain, you would understand that God is MERCIFUL but also FAIR.


FAIR
When the bodies of men were destroyed in the old testament, it doesnt say that their souls were annihilated from existence as well. Infact we are told that Hell wasnt created for man, but that Hell was for those who desired to be in the absence of God (Light), and wherever there is absence of Light, will be darkness (Evil), so the soul in hell only experiences what it is like to be without God and everything that exists in that absence grabs hold of them. You can be sure that if Satan had this sort of fate for choosing to live outside of God, then every human who chooses same path would be granted same wish. God gave you freewill, you choose if you want to be with him or not, he doesnt autocratically command you to go to hell cos he pleases, he grants you your wish to not want to be with him even though he wishes you would be. He is only being fair. Now He is also merciful because he knows you have to contend with the tricks of the devil who has chosen to exist in darkness (remember even devil was once in the light and chose not to have that light anymore).
But what can God do when you openly deny him and choose to walk out on His light like the devil did? Would it be fair to you (or even to the devil) if he forcibly tries to keep you in his light beyond your own will?

MERCY
It surprises me that people blame God for all the evil people in the world who follow their own will and not God's. In the old testament God destroyed such evil people (Physically) who were enemies of good people to keep good people on the tough parts of earth safe cos that was all they could get(Physical lives) after Adam and Eve rejected (Spiritual life) and opted out of the safest place on earth - Eden.
God even sent His Son(Also GOD) to die (Physical death) on earth so that these same people who chose to live purely Physical lives and rejected the Spiritual with Him in heaven, could now come to Live in his Light (Spiritual Afterlife in Heaven).

Why then do people now blame God for not killing off evil people who are enemies of Good people and constituting problems for them in this present time (physical earth)? While they are quick to judge God for killing off people in the old testament knowing that the people in that time had nothing but the physical life to live and didnt have the option of living in the spiritual afterlife which we now do? if you know that the spiritual afterlife is what matters now, dont you see that God is only fair to allow these evil people time to change? If you expect God to kill them off now and also send them to hell immediately, how fair and merciful does God appear to be? It is humans that have such evil hatred for their fellow beings, you do not know what it costs to create a single soul, your intelligence alone should let you understand that you are more than the physical vehicles we call bodies. God knows that if these evil people kill good people now, such good people aren't also killed in the Afterlife as well, so it doesnt bother God now the way it did in the old testament when they didnt yet deserve an afterlife. This is apparently why he fought to save the just from being ruined by the evil in those old testament days. But today he gives all Good and NOT so good people time to change and benefit from his love.

If you lived in the time of the old testament, and you die at the hands of not so good people, you lose everything. God is only fair to stop the not so good people from denying you a physical life which was all you had.

But in this day and age after Christ's ultimate sacrifice. If the good-you dies at the hands of not so good people, what do you stand to lose? Absolutely nothing. You go on to live in the Love of GOD (the Light) you accepted. So why should God be like man and kill the not so good people now? what do you stand to gain?

Update:
For those who might want to ask, why does God not allow the not-so-good people into his light in the afterlife? Well, if God didn't allow the evil people overcome the good people in the physical earth which was the only life they had during the old testament times, what makes you think he would now allow them to overcome the good people in heaven by letting them in to ruin the only one they have left in the afterlife?

Two things are clear,
1. if you don't want anything to do with the light, he wont be unfair to force you to live in it (heaven).
2. If you aren't fit to live with good people He created and admitted into his light cos you would cause trouble for them, you can't be in his light(heaven) either.

And if you cant be in his light, you know where you would be, in the darkness, you cant live outside of these two.

WORD,BROTHER WORD!! God bless you.

Some say they want fairness, then God will have to dealt with everyone that has ever break His law. God is merciful.

Th meteorite, which is the black stone, the muslims believe this object fell from heaven, they made this stone object of worship. A similar event occurred in Acts 19:23-36, Paul strongly condemned this religious ritual, verse 35 say :

35 The city clerk quieted the crowd and
said: “Fellow Ephesians, doesn’t all the
world know that the city of Ephesus is the guardian of the temple of the great
Artemis and of HER IMAGE WHICH FELL FROM HEAVEN ?

1feness:
Spirits vibrate at a high frequency. They need to tune their vibration to match that of ours to be seen by us. That means when we die we are automatically spirits,WHICH MEANS WE ARE ALL GODS. If you say God created the universe,you are talking about humans too.

However it is obvious that natural occurrence gave birth to volcanic mountains,stars,flood and planets.

If yahweh(who isn't a god) has the ability to create a planet,trust me "he" would have stopped a lot of floods,erosions,deserts,tsunamis etc

Psalm 82:1
A psalm of Asaph. God presides in the
great assembly; he renders judgment
among the "gods"

God created us in His image, we are gods.

Psalm 82:6
"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons
of the Most High.'

Jesus quote this verse when He say:

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?

1feness:
Let me put it in a simple way fro you.......gods of the bible are ETs. Don't scream! Take a deep breath,it is the simple truth.

alright.

KingEbukasBlog:
I doubt he will reply you .

Anyways its usually :

"We dont know but we are sure God did not do it "

you are correct, page number 8 and none of them are able to answer the questions being ask.

"We dont know but we are sure God did not do it, that's settle it "

1feness:
1 A spirit who visited Abraham and eat with him? A spirit who walked and talked to Adam in the garden? A spirit that wrestled with Jacob?

Can you see where you failed the exam?

2 You have no proof of your second claim. However I am not ready to school you on that yet.

you fail woefully, in the old testament when God appeared to an individual,A theophany is the appearance of God in visible form. He take a temporary form for the purpose of His visit, Jacob wrestle with what look like a man Yet
Joshua and Gideon saw an angel, the
Angel of the Lord.But God is neither a
man nor an angel. A theophany is not
God in His real form.

And also, God in Old Testament times was actually an appearance of the Son of God. The Son is always the one who comes out from the Father to reveal the Father. Every theophany is actually a
‘Christophany’. Thus it was the Son of
God who sat in Abraham’s tent, who
wrestled with Jacob.

And you have proof God does not exist ? Why are atheists afraid to explained the first cause using the natural explanation? Because you all know, it will contradicte the Laws in science.

1feness:
If god did it,who created god? or how did god do it? That wouldn't be too much to ask,would it?

how many time will I explained this? I will give you two answer.
1.God is a spirit (Luke 4:24) , a spirit is not a MATERIAL cause, spirit are immaterial you cannot create it,
2. The universe began to exist, meaning space and time exist at one POINT of time, Therefore the cause of the universe had to be beyond time,beyond space, and beyond the material realm. The cause had to be external caused, which is GOD.

Scholar8200:
And if they claim there might be no first cause needed then watch these men attribute the fact of the Creator being Un-created and from everlasting to everlasting, to their intellectual inventions (extrapolations, assumptions, estimations and ideas with much leeway to adjust it for crying out loud!). Indeed the whole reeks more, not of natural inquisitiveness, but a conceited drive egged on by rebellion!

God bless you, the atheists model are even more impressive miracle.

Romans 1:20
20 For since the creation of the world
His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Time and space both came into existence when the universe began to exist. Therefore the cause of the universe had to be beyond time,beyond space, and beyond the material realm. The cause of the universe had to be a personal entity because impersonal forces cannot choose to bring time and space into existence.

1feness:
god didn't create no heaven and earth. We all know that. Why quote it every time still?

so who did it ? lucky bounce? How do you reconcile luck and miracle ?

The truth is that Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause. But what you atheists are doing is that we should ignored the explanation of this external cause.

plaetton:
The creationist model is nothing but wishful fantasy , devoid of any mathematical corrolaries.
It is nothing but primitive superstitions.

Of course, you don't expect me to subscribe to primitive superstitions while there are scientific models.

I understand, the atheists cannot believe the christians explanation of the first cause we call God. So what better explanation do atheists got ?

plaetton:
Lol.
I suppose that you or scholar8200 have explanations for the first cause ?

I guess you haven't been reading modern scientific articles and findings that question the necessity of a first cause ?

I personally have opened 2 threads to show scientific models of a universe that needn't have had a beginning, as we are wont to assume.

The Big Bang was a critical inflection point, rather than a bona fide first cause.

I thought we made ourselves clear ? God begins his model with a supernatural event. This supernatural event, however, is accomplished without a supernatural agent to perform it. Since you don't believe in the supernatural, can we hear your natural explanation of the first cause?

The creationist's model begins with an infinitely intelligent, omnipotent, transcendent Creator who used
intelligent design,expertise or know how to create everything from the sub-atomic particles to giant redwood trees. Was it a miracle? Absolutely!

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth ."

plaetton:
Noooooo sir.

Not so simplistic.

It is not a matter Beliefs.

I hate the word belief, especially when it is injected into a scientific discussion.
It has no place in rational science.

No 2 Takes mathematics and the known laws of the universe to extrapolate, project and model ideas and facts.

No 1 is pure magic, pure Houdini all the way. No mathematical corrolaries whatsoever.

No 1 is a remnant of primitive superstitions.
No 2 is derived from scientific observations, experimentations and analysis.

So, corrections.
There are two types of people in the world.
Those beholden to primitive superstitions, and those beholden to the scientific rationalism.

Simple.

in regards to those beholden to the scientific rationalism. Do they have explanation of the first cause? If NO , then am sorry to say this, scholar8200 was right.

Scholar8200:
Noted. More contributions please!

bro, I love the way you are approaching this atheists. Nice one.

orisa37:
Christian is a Prophetic Word from the adversaries. God authorised it to instruct the mockers that Christianity means "The Righteous".

nice

Hellow.

plaetton:
Lol.


No comments at this time.

But let me ask;
Why would you or I need to BELIEVE IN something, if that something is already evident?

I already believe in God, I do not need any dramatic sign, you on the other hand need sign. I do not even believe the story in the op because God is a spirit,God exist beyond the limits of the universe in order to have created it. The laws of physics tell us that we cannot make measurements beyond the limits of this universe.

plaetton:
OK. "God seen..." Sounds better. Right?

will you dump your atheism and believe in this god?

Intrepid01:
Bros.....discrediting another man's religion will not take you to heaven. I bet if you channel the energy you dissipate in insulting Islam to your character, teachings of the Bible and the ways of God...trust me you'll be better off.



Some people will spend their life criticizing other people's religion and still end up in hell......#lobatan

Romans 10 from verse 14 say;

14 How, then, can they call on the one
they have not believed in? And how can
they believe in the one of whom they
have NOT HEARD ? AND HOW CAN THEY HEAR WITHOUT SOMEONE PREACHING TO THEM? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”[ g]
16 But not all the Israelites accepted the
good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who
has believed our message?”[ h] 17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing
the message, and the message is heard
through the word about Christ. 18 But I
ask: Did they not hear? Of course they
did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the
earth,Their words to the ends of the world.”[i]
19 Again I ask: Did Israel not
understand? First, Moses says,
“I will make you envious by those who
are not a nation;
I will make you angry by a nation that
has no understanding.”[ j]
20 And Isaiah boldly says,
“I was found by those who did not seek
me;
I revealed myself to those who did not
ask for me.”[ k]
21 But concerning Israel he says,
“All day long I have held out my hands
to a disobedient and obstinate people.”[l]