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Christianity Etc › Re: Reason Why Our Prayer Is Not Being Answer And The Solution!!! Pleased Read by malvisguy212(op): 8:35am On Nov 03, 2015
talkingtruth:
Good!
Educative!
Faith stimulating!
God bless you.
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 8:34am On Nov 03, 2015
malvisguy212:
Jesus is a very important figure in Islam.
Muslims believe, Jesus is just a prophet,
He was merely a prophet, a prophet
whose second coming will bring about
Allah’s judgement on the human race.

In the fourth book of the Quran, al-Nisa
(or “The Women”), we are told that Jesus
never died on the cross. Instead, Allah is a gifted trickster. Behold:

Quran 4:157 And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did
they crucify him;but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
Quran 4:158 Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in
Might and Wise.

No reason were given why Jesus was snatch from death. Allah couldn’t wait a few more days for Jesus to be executed. He needed Jesus in heaven right away. But he also needed Jesus to be executed. The solution? Snatch Jesus
from earth right now and pick someone else to wear Jesus’ face long enough to fool the executioners and the Jews.

In completing this absurd trick, Allah
must’ve known the following:

The crucifixion of Jesus would be used to create Christianity,the largest religion
the world has ever known–a rival religion, mind you. So it was all a ruse to
trick people into following the LARGEST
religion. Unfortunately for these cursed
Christian souls, Allah waited another 600 years before bothering to mention that the Divine Jesus myth in the bible was all a lie.

Those who died Prior to the coming of muhammed to clear this out , who's gonna take the blame for their unbelief ? Allah for tricking the Jews or satan ?
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Christianity Etc › Re: God Is Love, The Innocent Wouldn't Suffer. by malvisguy212(op): 8:58pm On Nov 02, 2015
dalaman:
Where does it say so? You are just making things up and.lying. It only says that God punishes the children to the fourth and fifth generation for the sins of their parents. Doesn't mention anything about the kids that hate God and do evil. That part os your own addition because the entire thing doesn't make any sense to you.
by really reading it in more depth, it
actually says the opposite. Only the children who "hate God", and sin themselves, are the ones who are punished, only the wicked and ungodly
children who are following the wicked example of their fathers are punished. The very next verse (Exodus 20:6) confirms that God shows mercy on the
children who love Him and keep his Law. This is in harmony with the teaching, "Each man shall die for his own sins" (2 Chronicles 25:4, Ezekiel
18:4,20).
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Mohammed Now? by malvisguy212: 8:47pm On Nov 02, 2015
Durentt:
Her you sure?
John 14:1-3
1 "Do not let your heart be troubled;
believe in God, believe also in Me. 2"In
My Father's house are many mansion; if it were not so, I would have
told you; for I go to prepare a place for
you. 3"If I go and prepare a place for
you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also
Christianity Etc › Re: God Is Love, The Innocent Wouldn't Suffer. by malvisguy212(op): 8:31pm On Nov 02, 2015
malvisguy212:
Our desperate need is not for clever arguments but for a powerful encounter with the living God (1 Corinthians 4:20).
And we need not more dramatic signs from heaven, but to act on what we already know. The door to spiritual understanding is not human explanation,but supernatural revelation it swings not on mind games but on a willingness to surrender our stubborn will to One who knows better than us (John 7:17; 2 Corinthians 3:14-16; 4:3-4; 1 Corinthians 2:4-16;.

Draw near to God and he will draw near to you, promises the Bible (James 4:cool. Until we respond to the light we already
have, God is unlikely to squander further enlightenment upon us. With
insincere excuses we might even fool ourselves, but not the One who knows everything. We don't decide how much
evidence we need: God does.Neither do we have the final say as to when God will lose patience with us.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Really A Loving And Caring God? Is He Really What The Bible Claims He is? by malvisguy212: 8:28pm On Nov 02, 2015
@ op, the answer to your question is here https://www.nairaland.com/2552255/god-love-innocent-wouldnt-suffer

God eradicated everyone who has ever
caused pain by selfishness, cheating,
lying, gossiping or hurtful
remarks, who would be left? People say,
"Suffering is God's fault!", In other
words,if we disobey God,it's God's fault?
conveniently forgetting times our own
anger, greed and lies hurt others. To
wipe out some people who cause
suffering, and spare you and me, would
make God guilty of gross injustice. We
have each added to humanity's shame.
If there is a God of love, the people he
loves and longs to place in a pain-free
world are the very ones who cause
humanity's suffering.
We are so far from being innocent that
we owe our very existence to sin. If, for
example, we traced our family tree far
enough,we would probably each find an
ancestor born as a result of sin - rape,
unlawful Inbreeding, a despised
pregnancy,
sex before marriage, and the like.
Humanity can boast only ONE PERFECT
PERSON . We killed him.
Frequently, we hear or read a comment
like this:
"I simply cannot believe in a God who
permits innocent children to starve and
suffer, and men like Hitler and Stalin to
murder millions of people."
The examples may vary,but the thoughts
are always the same. Supposedly,this is
"proof" that either God doesn't exist, or
that if He does, He either doesn't care
about our sufferings, or He is not
powerful enough to do
anything about them. But suffering is
neither proof of God's non-existence or
existence. Saying, "If God exists, why is
there suffering?" is like saying "If San
Francisco exists, why are there
earthquakes?" Do earthquakes occur
because San Francisco causes them? Or
do they occur in spite of San Francisco?
Or do they have nothing to do with San
Francisco? Well, we know the answer to
that question because we know about
San Francisco and we know about
earthquakes.But how much do we really
know about God? If we define Him by our
own nature, then He cannot be of
any greater character than ourselves.
We may ascribe to Him a greater power
than ourselves, but when we suppose
that God should or should not act like
this or that,then all we are really saying
is, "He should act like I would if I
were God."
STARVING:
Now, let's look at starving children. The
Bible says that in the beginning, God
created the heavens and the earth. That
includes everything necessary to feed
and provide for its inhabitants. Can
anyone deny that the earth is capable of
producing more than enough food to
feed the entire globe? Well then, if
people are starving, whose fault is that?
If God made the earth, is He also
supposed to plant and distribute our
crops for us? Do you remember the tons
of food that were shipped to Ethiopia,
but did not reach the starving people
who needed it? Whose fault was that?
The reason that over 90% of the masses
have barely enough to survive on,is that
there is a problem of DISTRIBUTION, not
of SUPPLY .A tiny minority have far more
than they need, depriving the many.
SUFFERING:
Regarding suffering that is the result of
sin, what could be clearer than Romans
1:28–29 and Galatians 6:8–9? The
unbeliever may stomp about with all
vigor and complain that it is "bigotry" to
associate the rise of AIDS and other
diseases to sin; that biblical morality is
narrow-minded, outdated, and totally
wrong. But this fact is unalterable: In a
society where biblical morality is
abandoned, suffering always increases.
Where biblical morality is followed,
suffering always declines. Always.
(Isa.59:1-4).
As to Hitler, Stalin, street gangs and
senseless murders: Would any of these
things happen if people followed the
teachings of Jesus? Do you realize what
this world would be like if people simply
followed God's instructions? There would
be no murder, no wars. There would be
no welfare, because families
would take care of their own (and
families would stay together) and those
who did not have families would be
provided for by their fellow-members in
Christ. There would be no starvation… I
could go on, but the point is: God has
provided us answers; whose fault is it
that we don't seek them or heed them
when we find them?
I suspect that those who use suffering as
a "proof" of God's non-existence would
not want to have their free choice taken
away from them,but that's exactly what
God would have to do if He were to
enforce His will on the earth. For if God
were to intervene in the matter of
suffering, would He not also intervene in
the matter of sin? If He did, He would
have to be a dictator.
Then how would we react? We would not
want that,and according to the Bible, God
doesn't want it either. He wants us to
obey Him because we want to, not
because we have to. And in order to
accomplish this, He must allow two
things to happen. First, in order to grant
us free choice, He must provide us with
graphic examples of the consequences of
the wrong choice. Secondly,He must
allow injustices and sufferings; otherwise
he'd provide sinful mankind with every
blessing and benefit without restriction.
If everything in this life was fair, good
and happy, what need would there be to
seek a better life? Why would we seek a
Deliverer, if there was nothing to be
delivered from? Suffering is not
something that ought to turn people
away from God, but draw them to Him.
Christianity Etc › Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 1:44pm On Nov 02, 2015
plappville:
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Did he taught his disciples He was thier God or he taught them His God is also thier God?
John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me,
Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

People find it had to believe that God himself come down to have a special relationship with his creatures, they find this had to believe. From the beginning, God walk with adam and eve, God had a special relationship with them, after the fall of man, this relationship size. But to reconcile us back to Himself, He came down has a incarnate just to relate with us.
Christianity Etc › Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 8:18am On Nov 02, 2015
simi4me:
Using scientific laws n natural laws to explain the celestial beings is insane and stupid. They don't obey the laws of nature, if they do, Jesus would not have been conceived by a virgin, he would not have walk on water and calm the sea, neither would he raised from the dead. These things are scientifically impossible.
But with God all things are possible.
God bless you my friend.
Christianity Etc › Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 7:02am On Nov 02, 2015
dolphinheart:
Jesus is a god, and he is not the almighty god , cus he said that he has a god. That the father is greater than he is .


This same god received inheritance, he was anointed, he received power and authority, he has companions, he has brothers, has a god, subject to that god .

The bible did not only say he became flesh, it adds that he emptied himself!
He was concieved bro.


maybe you did not read the part that he emptied himself , the scripture never said he "added"


But he did not know end of the system of things when his disciples asked him. and he was fully god.


Now show me how he was fully god.
that was after he has ascended to heaven, after he received all authority and power, after he was ressurected as a spirit . Despite that , he is still subject to the almighty god, his god, the only true god.
yes, that's the point.He is fully human and fully God. The Godly nature did not override His human nature. There are things the human nature did not know ONLY his divine nature know, go back and read the gospel once again, whenever Jesus is being adress as human his response will be humanly and whenever he was being approach as God , his response will be in Godly, Jesus never deny being God or human
Christianity Etc › Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 10:40pm On Nov 01, 2015
dolphinheart:
I asked you to show scripture where it says jesus had two natures while he was on earth and you are quoting titus 2:13.Haba!



Where his disciples there when he was praying to the father to let the cup pass away from him?



His god nature has fled. And when he was listing those who know the answer, his human nature forgot to add his god nature abi?

where was his god nature when Holy spirit entered his human nature if not in his human nature?



If someone is good, he will know when doing evil. The goodness in him does not go anywhere.
Jesus is God,
And He has always been God. There was NEVER a time that the bible indicate Jesus BECAME God ,for God is eternal He had always been in existence from the beginning,BUT the bible say He became MAN. So what does it mean that Jesus became man ?
It doesent mean Jesus STOP being
God, NO!! Rather Jesus add human nature to His divinity,Jesus did not give up any of his divinity in the incarnation,

“Remaining what he was, he became what he was not.” Christ “was NOT now God minus some elements of his deity, but God PLUS all that he had made his own by taking manhood to Himself ”Thus , Jesus did not give up any of his divine attributes at the incarnation. He remained in full possession of all of them. For if he were to ever give up any of his divine attributes, he would cease being God.

Jesus has TWO nature ,fully God and fully Man. The fact that Jesus is truly and fully human is clear from the fact that he has a human body (Luke 24:39), a human mind (Luke 2:52), and a human soul (Matthew 26:38). Jesus does not just look like a man.He does not just have some aspects of what is essential for true humanity but not others.Rather, he possess full humanity. And the book of colossian indicate Jesus is fully God.

“For in him all the FULLNESS OF DEITY dwells in BODILY FORM” (Colossians 2:9).
Christianity Etc › Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 10:06pm On Nov 01, 2015
chuna1985:
Isaiah is all about lying to claim a prophesy for the birth of jesus
alright.
Christianity Etc › Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 6:21pm On Nov 01, 2015
chuna1985:
I already know it wasn't about Jesus. Christians believe it's about jesus
NO. You are confused, you mistook isaiah 9 for isaiah 6.
Christianity Etc › Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 2:28pm On Nov 01, 2015
chuna1985:
""Isaiah 6:8
Then I heard the voice of the
Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send,
and who will go for US?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send
me!""

A blatant lie from pit of hell. God did not at any point in d bible ask "who shall I send" based on Jesus going to die for our sins.

Read Isaiah chapter 6 from verse 1 to 10 so that u can understand what happened there. Dont just life one verse n deceive ur self...
what are you saying ? I don't understand you here.but If you think the verse is referring to Jesus, you are dead wrong.
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Passover Reveals Jesus Christ by malvisguy212(op): 6:50am On Nov 01, 2015
malvisguy212:
OAM4J
happy Sunday
Christianity Etc › Re: The Shepherd Psalm by malvisguy212(op): 6:48am On Nov 01, 2015
malvisguy212:
happy Sunday
Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between Trials And Temptations by malvisguy212(op): 6:47am On Nov 01, 2015
Highcuerayte:
FP please

Cc Lalasticlala
the mod prefer to upload controversial christians topics on the homepage.
Christianity Etc › Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 10:34pm On Oct 31, 2015
Pr0ton:
I never said they were pointing to God's nature, but to how the Bible interchanges singularity and plurality for a single subject/object, which might be what is happening in Gen, so that us and his may mean the same person/thing, the Trinity.



It's clever how you want to get around this, but unfortunately the Bible doesn't teach personalities but persons. Understanding that brings us back to the real meaning of three Godheads in one, the Trinity and consequently to the OP.



We can use John 1:1 to clear that up.

In the beginning was the word. And the word was with God. And the word was God.

The word is Yahweh and Jesus (theos) Now you should understand the skill of singularity and plurality used in Genesis.
does the bible teach the following?
1. the Bible teaches that the
Godhead is one in nature.
2. the Bible teaches that God the
Father is one personality of the
Godhead.
3. the Bible teaches that the Holy
Spirit is one personality of the
Godhead.
4. the Bible teaches that Jesus the
Son is one personality of the
Godhead.
Conclusion: Therefore, God is
composed of three personalities in
one
nature.

John 1:1
explains, “In the beginning was the
Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God. He was in the
beginning with God. All things were
made through Him, and without Him
nothing was made that was made.” Later in the first chapter of John we learn that the WORD (Jesus) “became flesh and dwelt among us.” Thus, the Word refers to Jesus, who was with God and was God and created all things along with the Father (John 1:14). We can see, then, that the oneness of the Creator must allow for at least some aspect of God to have a MULTIPLICITY of something.

Alright. In logical form,we could arrange the argument as follows. There is ONE God who created man. The concept of
oneness either means that nothing about God can have any type of plurality, or that some aspect of God is completely unified but at least one other aspect of God can have MULTIPLICITY to it. It cannot be the case that nothing about God can have any multiplicity since the Bible gives at least one aspect of God (the Father and the Son) that has multiplicity. Therefore, some aspect of God is completely unified, but at least one aspect of God can have, and has, multiplicity.

Psalm 90:2 say God is eternal from everlasting to everlasting and isaiah 9:6 say Jesus is eternal and also the book of Hebrew 9:14 say the holy spirit is eternal. BUT NEVER for once did the bible mention angels to be eternal.

Since the concept of eternality equally applies to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, then we have successfully determined at least one aspect of God that is completely unified and applies equally to every aspect of God. Understand?
Christianity Etc › Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 8:40pm On Oct 31, 2015
Pr0ton:
There is nothing special about the singularity and plurality in those verses. Changing and swapping from singularity to plurality is common in the Bible. For example..

Hosea 11

11 “When Israel was a child, I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son. 2 As they called them, So they went from them; They sacrificed to the Baals, And burned incense to carved images.

Psalm 34

17 The righteous cry out, and theLord hears them; he delivers them from all their troubles.18 TheLord is close to the broken hearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.19 The righteous person may have many troubles, but the Lord delivers him from them all;20 he protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken.21 Evil will slay the wicked;the foes of the righteous will be condemned.22 The Lord will rescue his servants; no one who takes refugein him will be condemned.

Bottom line: plurality and singularity do nothing in solving this rebuttal.



How do you try to defend what is only logical from God's extrademensional existence?
All the verses you quote has NOTHING to do with the nature of God. You are not a christian, how can you understand the nature of God ?what you and the jehovah witness guy is doing here is 'you both are comparing man and God.
This is what the bible teaches:
1. the Bible teaches that the Godhead is one in nature.
2. the Bible teaches that God the Father is one personality of the Godhead.
3. the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is one personality of the Godhead.
4. the Bible teaches that Jesus the Son is one personality of the Godhead.
Conclusion: Therefore, God is composed of three personalities in one
nature.

The Bible says that “one God” created us (Malachi 2:10).A closer look, however, at the Creation of man shows that some
type of multiplicity was involved. Genesis 1:26-27 states, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.… So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”
Christianity Etc › Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 7:08pm On Oct 31, 2015
Pr0ton:
Yeah, three in one, but ACTUALLY three Gods working as One! And the idea of Trinity breaks down Christian monotheism (the belief in one God) They don't believe in one God; they believe in three Gods working together as One.
genesis1:26
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in
our image, in our likeness...

The verse say "US" and then went on to say "IMAGE" if God is three separate being, the verse should've say images.

Isaiah 6:8
Then I heard the voice of the
Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send,
and who will go for US?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send
me!"

The verse say "WHOM SHALL I SEND" (ONE GOD) and the verse continue "WHO WILL GO FOR US" (three personalities)

The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God exists as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. However,these three persons are not three separate gods, but ONE GOD. This
Trinitarian concept of God might seem to be contradictory from a HUMAN
standpoint, but is perfectly logical from
GOD'S EXTRADIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE. Anti-
Trinitarian heresies elevate
humans to the level of God or demote
one or more persons of the Godhead to
non-God status. Don't fall into one of
those traps!

"Go therefore and make disciples of all
the nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father and the Son and the Holy
Spirit" (Matthew 28:19)
Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For Seun. Pls I Need An Answer. by malvisguy212: 3:51pm On Oct 31, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
Do you?
I believe he exist. And you?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For Seun. Pls I Need An Answer. by malvisguy212: 10:21am On Oct 31, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
Yes I am.
do you believe in lucifer?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For Seun. Pls I Need An Answer. by malvisguy212: 9:42am On Oct 31, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
Are you sure you're human?
you are an atheist.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For Seun. Pls I Need An Answer. by malvisguy212: 9:09am On Oct 31, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
They don't believe in your bullshit. wink
even the devil believe their is God. Are you sure you're satanic ?
Islam › Re: Adultery Is A Very Serious Sin In Islam by malvisguy212: 9:05am On Oct 31, 2015
Sins like adultery,lusting over a woman, and fornication, the muslims see it as small sin, the quran provide a way muslims can sin even more, All what they need to do is to outweighs it with one good deed.

Sura 4:30-31, Whoso doeth that
(evil deeds) through aggression and
injustice, We shall cast him into Fire,
and that is ever easy for Allah. IF YE
AVOID THE GREAT (THINGS) WHICH YE ARE FORBIDDEN , We will remit from you your evil deeds and make you enter at a noble gate.

This mean you just have to avoid the great sin.This clearly implies that Allah will only send you to hell for great sins. Small sins, like lusting over a woman, adultery or fornication will be overlook by allah.

Sura 6:120, Forsake the outwardness of sin and the inwardness thereof. Lo! those who garner sin will be awarded that which they have earned.

You see, this concept is being thought throughout the quran,you will only pay for great sin , small sin will be overlooked by Allah if you outweigh it with one good deed. That is why muslims will keep on committing adultery and fornication.

Here what the true God say concerning sin:

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and
come short of the glory of God;

Romans 6:23, For the wages of
sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is
eternal LIFE through Jesus Christ our
Lord.

It is clear from the Bible that one sin of
any kind will send you to Hell. Allah
might tolerate little sins, but the God of
the Bible will not. He is so holy that He
cannot look at one sin in a man. This is
not a matter of preference, it is a LIFE
AND DEATH matter. Allah is a pagan
deity, for only pagan gods allow sin. The
Greek gods even sinned like men. The
God of the Bible is the only God who will
not tolerate one small sin in man. The
God of the Bible demands payment for
all sins, and death is the penalty.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For Seun. Pls I Need An Answer. by malvisguy212: 8:37am On Oct 31, 2015
emrain:
Which is?
they are being control by satan. (one spirit)
Christianity Etc › Re: A Counter Thread The Black Stone Is Not Worshipped By Muslims by malvisguy212: 8:36am On Oct 31, 2015
madjnr:
But as the Prophet said in the Hadith above, nothing is Holy about either the Kaaba or the Black Stone. They are not objects of worship. They are only part of Allah Almighty's House of Worship
Umar bin Al-Khattab is a pagan before he convert to islam.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26,
Number 675:
Narrated by Zaid bin Aslam: From his
father who said: “Umar bin Al-Khattab
addressed the Corner ( Black Stone)
saying, ‘By Allah! I know that you
are a stone and can neither benefit
nor harm. Had I not seen the
Prophet touching (and kissing) you,
I would never have touched (and
kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it.”

This is a very revealing statement coming from one who used to be a pagan. Umar’s conversion to monotheism was so absolute that he was able to make the above observation while his Prophet was actually venerating a pagan idol. The reason behind Umar’s reluctance in kissing the Black Stone is that the pagan Arabs also performed this same ritual. However, Umar venerated his Prophet and this eventually led him to venerate the pagan idol. Ultimately, he ended up
venerating the Black Stone, Muhammad
and Allah.

Though Muslims deny that the Black Stone is an idol and insist that their
prayers are directed to Allah alone, in
practice however, the Black Stone is
treated with the same reverence that
pagans show to their idols. Islam’s denial of its idolatrous worship of the Black Stone can be likened to a man who pleads innocence for his adulterous act by saying that he had only his wife on his mind while performing the il*licit se*xual act. The justification for the veneration of a dead stone,especially to the extent of bowing down and kissing it,can only be identified with a primitive pagan idolatry practice than with the true spirit of monotheistic worship.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For Seun. Pls I Need An Answer. by malvisguy212: 8:36pm On Oct 30, 2015
crusadistic:
I better see satanist threads than to see xtian ones @anus69
why am I not surprise? Islam , satanic and atheists have one thing in common.
Christianity Etc › Re: . by malvisguy212: 5:35pm On Oct 30, 2015
plappville:
God bless you my brother. Great job. Even a primary school pupils will undstand this sura clearly said Jesus died. But as usual. Muhammad (SBUH) Is a man of copy and rewrite. Muslims with thier pride will not accept the obvious truth you posted there. Islam is Lies.
God bless you too. Let the truth be sealed in their heart.
Christianity Etc › Re: . by malvisguy212: 3:46pm On Oct 30, 2015
mubarakopeyemi:
stop confusing yourself the more. as highlighted above in the Verse you intend to promote your bias with. I Hope u now believe now that 1- Jesus is not in any way son of God or God he is Just a Messenger and he ate food like every other Human Does God eat? see how Allah make the communication clear to you but behold you continue in your delusion.

secondly. no where in Quran 3:144 was it stated that ALL MESSNEGERS before Muhammad has died. It clearsly states that Messengers before him had passed away. not all which means Jesus is exclusive of the dead messengers.

in regards to the red highlighted you are dam.n wrong!! I study Arabic and know well about it. and the term Ar-rasul means "Messenger" in plain it can never mean All messengers. which is "Rusul" you're utterly wrong!!
and also no where in Arabic I repeat no where in Arabic shall u see a "al" as a prefix before an /r/ pronouncing sound and no where does it even stand for plural if the correct prefix which is "ar" is used for it. No where is Ar-rasul meaning to be plural in Arabic as "messengers" the plural is "rusul" that which I'm sure of. when we talk of arabics I can lecture you on that a whole day.
we are talking about the death of Jesus and not His divine nature.

Its seems like you guys are very good in twisting quranic verses, may God pluck you out from this satanic deception. The quran say every soul must test death:

Surah 21:35: Every soul must taste
of death, and We try you with evil
and with good, for ordeal. And unto
Us ye will be returned. (Pickthall)

Every human being is bound to die according to this quranic verse. And the quran claims all prophet were human:

Surah 21:7-8: Before thee, also, the
messengers We sent were but MEN,
to whom We granted inspiration: If ye
realise this not, ask of those who
possess the Message. Nor did We give
them bodies that ate no food, nor
were they exempt from death.
(Yusuf Ali)

And the Qur’an makes it clear that it
includes Jesus:

Surah 5:75: The Messiah, son of
Mary, was no other than a
messenger, messengers (the like of
whom) had passed away before
him. And his mother was a saintly
woman. And they both used to eat
(earthly) food. Pickthall)

As we can see, the denial of the death of Jesus leads to many theological problems for Muslims. The only way out of this difficult situation is for Muslims to deny that Jesus is a human being. But then,they will run into more serious problems with the Qur’an. Because of the contradictory statement in Surah 4:157, Muslims have to torture themselves to re-interpret the verses that point to the death of Christ Jesus. Muslim scholars are torn between making Jesus exempt from death on account of Allah’s clear testimony that Jesus did not die in Surah 4:157 and all these other verses that subject Jesus to death.
Christianity Etc › Re: . by malvisguy212: 3:23pm On Oct 30, 2015
mubarakopeyemi:
it doesn't tongue
Arabic language is wider beyond your knowledge.
So u can't just literally translate things into other languages.

was it only Yusuf Ali u see there? because you only picked Yusuf Ali

I see seven other translators whose translation are in line with themselves. Who the hell is Asad? if his translation was reliable it could have made that list.

what you're telling me here is ignore seven transaltions from seven diff translators which are thesm in meaning and take just one which is not in line with the others when indeed the translator is not Internationally approved by world Islamic Quranic Transition body. undecided

grin your bias needs to stop.
Surah 3:55
God said, “O Jesus, I shall cause you
to die and will raise you up to Me
and shall clear you [of the calumnies]
of the disbelievers, and shall place
those who follow you above those
who deny the truth, until the Day of
Judgement.” (W. Khan)

Now reconciled this verse with this:

Surah 39:42:
“It is Allah that takes (mutawaffika)
the souls (of men) at death; and
those that die not (He takes)
(m utawaffika) during their sleep:
those on whom He has passed the
decree of death.” (Yusuf Ali)

Alright, and this verse tell us that ALL messenger have passway:

Surah 3:144: And Muhammad is no
more than a messenger; the
messengers have already passed
away BEFORE HIM; if then he dies or
is killed will you turn back upon your
heels? (Shakir)

if Surah 3:144 intends to exclude Jesus as one of the messengers who passed away before Muhammad, then it would have read, “All the Apostles before Muhammad died except Isa son of Maryam.” But we find no such thing.
Hence Surah 3:144 proves that Jesus
must have died as the Gospels clearly
and honestly testify.

I notice, you are running from the question I ask, rilwayn could not answer it either, did John die or not ?
Christianity Etc › Re: . by malvisguy212: 2:52pm On Oct 30, 2015
^^^ Surah 5:75: The Messiah, son of
Marium is but a messenger;
messengers before him have
indeed passed away; and his mother
was a truthful woman; they both used
to eat food. See how We make the
communications clear to them, then
behold, how they are turned away.
(Shakir)
Surah 3:144: And Muhammad is no
more than a messenger; the
messengers have already passed
away BEFORE HIM; if then he dies or
is killed will you turn back upon your
heels? (Shakir)

The first Surah clearly states that all
messengers before Jesus had died. A
fact that Muslims will not deny. And the
second Surah states that all messengers
BEFORE Muhammad have also passed
away in death. Islam teaches that no
prophet arose between Jesus and
Muhammad. Thus, the immediate
messenger before Muhammad was
Jesus. As such, the second Surah seems
to specifically point to the fact that Jesus
too had died. In Arabic, the term for
messengers in the above two Surahs is
“al-rasul” which literally means “the
messengers.” According to grammatical
rules of classic Arabic, owing to the prefix “al” (the), the word messengers in the above two verses really means all
messengers.
Christianity Etc › Re: . by malvisguy212: 2:48pm On Oct 30, 2015
mubarakopeyemi:
I laugh grin where the hell did u get that useless translation cheesy ^^^^^^
my whole life I've never met any Quran Translation by the author Asad.
it was never meaning I will cause thee to die.
it means God will take Him and raise him to Himself.

see a list of the top 7 translations part of which you've used several times.

you failed again grin

this verse even strengthen that fact that Allah saved Jesus and took him up to himself saving him and that he wasn't killed. Thanks for doing me this favor grin
Read the verse again

[url]corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=55[/url]
the term “die” is translated from the Arabic word, “mutawaffika.” The term “mutawaffika” occurs over 25 times in the Qur’an, and in each case it refers to the death of someone. Especially enlightening is its usage in Surah 39:42:

“It is Allah that takes (mutawaffika)
the souls (of men) at death; and
those that die not (He takes)
(m utawaffika) during their sleep:
those on whom He has passed the
decree of death.” (Yusuf Ali)

Thus, it is important to note that if Qur’an translators (like Yusuf Ali) prefer to use another phrase such as, “Thou didst take me up” (mutawaffika) instead of “Thou didst cause me to die” (mutawaffika) in their translations,
it means the same thing in the Arabic
Qur’an. It means death.

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