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dalaman:by really reading it in more depth, it actually says the opposite. Only the children who "hate God", and sin themselves, are the ones who are punished, only the wicked and ungodly children who are following the wicked example of their fathers are punished. The very next verse (Exodus 20:6) confirms that God shows mercy on the children who love Him and keep his Law. This is in harmony with the teaching, "Each man shall die for his own sins" (2 Chronicles 25:4, Ezekiel 18:4,20). |
Durentt:John 14:1-3 1 "Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2"In My Father's house are many mansion; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3"If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also |
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@ op, the answer to your question is here https://www.nairaland.com/2552255/god-love-innocent-wouldnt-suffer God eradicated everyone who has ever caused pain by selfishness, cheating, lying, gossiping or hurtful remarks, who would be left? People say, "Suffering is God's fault!", In other words,if we disobey God,it's God's fault? conveniently forgetting times our own anger, greed and lies hurt others. To wipe out some people who cause suffering, and spare you and me, would make God guilty of gross injustice. We have each added to humanity's shame. If there is a God of love, the people he loves and longs to place in a pain-free world are the very ones who cause humanity's suffering. We are so far from being innocent that we owe our very existence to sin. If, for example, we traced our family tree far enough,we would probably each find an ancestor born as a result of sin - rape, unlawful Inbreeding, a despised pregnancy, sex before marriage, and the like. Humanity can boast only ONE PERFECT PERSON . We killed him. Frequently, we hear or read a comment like this: "I simply cannot believe in a God who permits innocent children to starve and suffer, and men like Hitler and Stalin to murder millions of people." The examples may vary,but the thoughts are always the same. Supposedly,this is "proof" that either God doesn't exist, or that if He does, He either doesn't care about our sufferings, or He is not powerful enough to do anything about them. But suffering is neither proof of God's non-existence or existence. Saying, "If God exists, why is there suffering?" is like saying "If San Francisco exists, why are there earthquakes?" Do earthquakes occur because San Francisco causes them? Or do they occur in spite of San Francisco? Or do they have nothing to do with San Francisco? Well, we know the answer to that question because we know about San Francisco and we know about earthquakes.But how much do we really know about God? If we define Him by our own nature, then He cannot be of any greater character than ourselves. We may ascribe to Him a greater power than ourselves, but when we suppose that God should or should not act like this or that,then all we are really saying is, "He should act like I would if I were God." STARVING: Now, let's look at starving children. The Bible says that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. That includes everything necessary to feed and provide for its inhabitants. Can anyone deny that the earth is capable of producing more than enough food to feed the entire globe? Well then, if people are starving, whose fault is that? If God made the earth, is He also supposed to plant and distribute our crops for us? Do you remember the tons of food that were shipped to Ethiopia, but did not reach the starving people who needed it? Whose fault was that? The reason that over 90% of the masses have barely enough to survive on,is that there is a problem of DISTRIBUTION, not of SUPPLY .A tiny minority have far more than they need, depriving the many. SUFFERING: Regarding suffering that is the result of sin, what could be clearer than Romans 1:28–29 and Galatians 6:8–9? The unbeliever may stomp about with all vigor and complain that it is "bigotry" to associate the rise of AIDS and other diseases to sin; that biblical morality is narrow-minded, outdated, and totally wrong. But this fact is unalterable: In a society where biblical morality is abandoned, suffering always increases. Where biblical morality is followed, suffering always declines. Always. (Isa.59:1-4). As to Hitler, Stalin, street gangs and senseless murders: Would any of these things happen if people followed the teachings of Jesus? Do you realize what this world would be like if people simply followed God's instructions? There would be no murder, no wars. There would be no welfare, because families would take care of their own (and families would stay together) and those who did not have families would be provided for by their fellow-members in Christ. There would be no starvation… I could go on, but the point is: God has provided us answers; whose fault is it that we don't seek them or heed them when we find them? I suspect that those who use suffering as a "proof" of God's non-existence would not want to have their free choice taken away from them,but that's exactly what God would have to do if He were to enforce His will on the earth. For if God were to intervene in the matter of suffering, would He not also intervene in the matter of sin? If He did, He would have to be a dictator. Then how would we react? We would not want that,and according to the Bible, God doesn't want it either. He wants us to obey Him because we want to, not because we have to. And in order to accomplish this, He must allow two things to happen. First, in order to grant us free choice, He must provide us with graphic examples of the consequences of the wrong choice. Secondly,He must allow injustices and sufferings; otherwise he'd provide sinful mankind with every blessing and benefit without restriction. If everything in this life was fair, good and happy, what need would there be to seek a better life? Why would we seek a Deliverer, if there was nothing to be delivered from? Suffering is not something that ought to turn people away from God, but draw them to Him. |
plappville:John 14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? People find it had to believe that God himself come down to have a special relationship with his creatures, they find this had to believe. From the beginning, God walk with adam and eve, God had a special relationship with them, after the fall of man, this relationship size. But to reconcile us back to Himself, He came down has a incarnate just to relate with us. |
simi4me:God bless you my friend. |
dolphinheart:yes, that's the point.He is fully human and fully God. The Godly nature did not override His human nature. There are things the human nature did not know ONLY his divine nature know, go back and read the gospel once again, whenever Jesus is being adress as human his response will be humanly and whenever he was being approach as God , his response will be in Godly, Jesus never deny being God or human |
dolphinheart:Jesus is God, And He has always been God. There was NEVER a time that the bible indicate Jesus BECAME God ,for God is eternal He had always been in existence from the beginning,BUT the bible say He became MAN. So what does it mean that Jesus became man ? It doesent mean Jesus STOP being God, NO!! Rather Jesus add human nature to His divinity,Jesus did not give up any of his divinity in the incarnation, “Remaining what he was, he became what he was not.” Christ “was NOT now God minus some elements of his deity, but God PLUS all that he had made his own by taking manhood to Himself ”Thus , Jesus did not give up any of his divine attributes at the incarnation. He remained in full possession of all of them. For if he were to ever give up any of his divine attributes, he would cease being God. Jesus has TWO nature ,fully God and fully Man. The fact that Jesus is truly and fully human is clear from the fact that he has a human body (Luke 24:39), a human mind (Luke 2:52), and a human soul (Matthew 26:38). Jesus does not just look like a man.He does not just have some aspects of what is essential for true humanity but not others.Rather, he possess full humanity. And the book of colossian indicate Jesus is fully God. “For in him all the FULLNESS OF DEITY dwells in BODILY FORM” (Colossians 2:9). |
chuna1985:alright. |
chuna1985:NO. You are confused, you mistook isaiah 9 for isaiah 6. |
chuna1985:what are you saying ? I don't understand you here.but If you think the verse is referring to Jesus, you are dead wrong. |
malvisguy212:happy Sunday |
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Highcuerayte:the mod prefer to upload controversial christians topics on the homepage. |
Pr0ton:does the bible teach the following? 1. the Bible teaches that the Godhead is one in nature. 2. the Bible teaches that God the Father is one personality of the Godhead. 3. the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is one personality of the Godhead. 4. the Bible teaches that Jesus the Son is one personality of the Godhead. Conclusion: Therefore, God is composed of three personalities in one nature. John 1:1 explains, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” Later in the first chapter of John we learn that the WORD (Jesus) “became flesh and dwelt among us.” Thus, the Word refers to Jesus, who was with God and was God and created all things along with the Father (John 1:14). We can see, then, that the oneness of the Creator must allow for at least some aspect of God to have a MULTIPLICITY of something. Alright. In logical form,we could arrange the argument as follows. There is ONE God who created man. The concept of oneness either means that nothing about God can have any type of plurality, or that some aspect of God is completely unified but at least one other aspect of God can have MULTIPLICITY to it. It cannot be the case that nothing about God can have any multiplicity since the Bible gives at least one aspect of God (the Father and the Son) that has multiplicity. Therefore, some aspect of God is completely unified, but at least one aspect of God can have, and has, multiplicity. Psalm 90:2 say God is eternal from everlasting to everlasting and isaiah 9:6 say Jesus is eternal and also the book of Hebrew 9:14 say the holy spirit is eternal. BUT NEVER for once did the bible mention angels to be eternal. Since the concept of eternality equally applies to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, then we have successfully determined at least one aspect of God that is completely unified and applies equally to every aspect of God. Understand? |
Pr0ton:All the verses you quote has NOTHING to do with the nature of God. You are not a christian, how can you understand the nature of God ?what you and the jehovah witness guy is doing here is 'you both are comparing man and God. This is what the bible teaches: 1. the Bible teaches that the Godhead is one in nature. 2. the Bible teaches that God the Father is one personality of the Godhead. 3. the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is one personality of the Godhead. 4. the Bible teaches that Jesus the Son is one personality of the Godhead. Conclusion: Therefore, God is composed of three personalities in one nature. The Bible says that “one God” created us (Malachi 2:10).A closer look, however, at the Creation of man shows that some type of multiplicity was involved. Genesis 1:26-27 states, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.… So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.” |
Pr0ton:genesis1:26 Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness... The verse say "US" and then went on to say "IMAGE" if God is three separate being, the verse should've say images. Isaiah 6:8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for US?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!" The verse say "WHOM SHALL I SEND" (ONE GOD) and the verse continue "WHO WILL GO FOR US" (three personalities) The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God exists as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. However,these three persons are not three separate gods, but ONE GOD. This Trinitarian concept of God might seem to be contradictory from a HUMAN standpoint, but is perfectly logical from GOD'S EXTRADIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE. Anti- Trinitarian heresies elevate humans to the level of God or demote one or more persons of the Godhead to non-God status. Don't fall into one of those traps! "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19) |
sonOfLucifer:I believe he exist. And you? |
sonOfLucifer:do you believe in lucifer? |
sonOfLucifer:you are an atheist. |
sonOfLucifer:even the devil believe their is God. Are you sure you're satanic ? |
Sins like adultery,lusting over a woman, and fornication, the muslims see it as small sin, the quran provide a way muslims can sin even more, All what they need to do is to outweighs it with one good deed. Sura 4:30-31, Whoso doeth that (evil deeds) through aggression and injustice, We shall cast him into Fire, and that is ever easy for Allah. IF YE AVOID THE GREAT (THINGS) WHICH YE ARE FORBIDDEN , We will remit from you your evil deeds and make you enter at a noble gate. This mean you just have to avoid the great sin.This clearly implies that Allah will only send you to hell for great sins. Small sins, like lusting over a woman, adultery or fornication will be overlook by allah. Sura 6:120, Forsake the outwardness of sin and the inwardness thereof. Lo! those who garner sin will be awarded that which they have earned. You see, this concept is being thought throughout the quran,you will only pay for great sin , small sin will be overlooked by Allah if you outweigh it with one good deed. That is why muslims will keep on committing adultery and fornication. Here what the true God say concerning sin: Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 6:23, For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord. It is clear from the Bible that one sin of any kind will send you to Hell. Allah might tolerate little sins, but the God of the Bible will not. He is so holy that He cannot look at one sin in a man. This is not a matter of preference, it is a LIFE AND DEATH matter. Allah is a pagan deity, for only pagan gods allow sin. The Greek gods even sinned like men. The God of the Bible is the only God who will not tolerate one small sin in man. The God of the Bible demands payment for all sins, and death is the penalty. |
emrain:they are being control by satan. (one spirit) |
madjnr:Umar bin Al-Khattab is a pagan before he convert to islam. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675: Narrated by Zaid bin Aslam: From his father who said: “Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner ( Black Stone) saying, ‘By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it.” This is a very revealing statement coming from one who used to be a pagan. Umar’s conversion to monotheism was so absolute that he was able to make the above observation while his Prophet was actually venerating a pagan idol. The reason behind Umar’s reluctance in kissing the Black Stone is that the pagan Arabs also performed this same ritual. However, Umar venerated his Prophet and this eventually led him to venerate the pagan idol. Ultimately, he ended up venerating the Black Stone, Muhammad and Allah. Though Muslims deny that the Black Stone is an idol and insist that their prayers are directed to Allah alone, in practice however, the Black Stone is treated with the same reverence that pagans show to their idols. Islam’s denial of its idolatrous worship of the Black Stone can be likened to a man who pleads innocence for his adulterous act by saying that he had only his wife on his mind while performing the il*licit se*xual act. The justification for the veneration of a dead stone,especially to the extent of bowing down and kissing it,can only be identified with a primitive pagan idolatry practice than with the true spirit of monotheistic worship. |
crusadistic:why am I not surprise? Islam , satanic and atheists have one thing in common. |
plappville:God bless you too. Let the truth be sealed in their heart. |
mubarakopeyemi:we are talking about the death of Jesus and not His divine nature. Its seems like you guys are very good in twisting quranic verses, may God pluck you out from this satanic deception. The quran say every soul must test death: Surah 21:35: Every soul must taste of death, and We try you with evil and with good, for ordeal. And unto Us ye will be returned. (Pickthall) Every human being is bound to die according to this quranic verse. And the quran claims all prophet were human: Surah 21:7-8: Before thee, also, the messengers We sent were but MEN, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message. Nor did We give them bodies that ate no food, nor were they exempt from death. (Yusuf Ali) And the Qur’an makes it clear that it includes Jesus: Surah 5:75: The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. Pickthall) As we can see, the denial of the death of Jesus leads to many theological problems for Muslims. The only way out of this difficult situation is for Muslims to deny that Jesus is a human being. But then,they will run into more serious problems with the Qur’an. Because of the contradictory statement in Surah 4:157, Muslims have to torture themselves to re-interpret the verses that point to the death of Christ Jesus. Muslim scholars are torn between making Jesus exempt from death on account of Allah’s clear testimony that Jesus did not die in Surah 4:157 and all these other verses that subject Jesus to death. |
mubarakopeyemi:Surah 3:55 God said, “O Jesus, I shall cause you to die and will raise you up to Me and shall clear you [of the calumnies] of the disbelievers, and shall place those who follow you above those who deny the truth, until the Day of Judgement.” (W. Khan) Now reconciled this verse with this: Surah 39:42: “It is Allah that takes (mutawaffika) the souls (of men) at death; and those that die not (He takes) (m utawaffika) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death.” (Yusuf Ali) Alright, and this verse tell us that ALL messenger have passway: Surah 3:144: And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away BEFORE HIM; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? (Shakir) if Surah 3:144 intends to exclude Jesus as one of the messengers who passed away before Muhammad, then it would have read, “All the Apostles before Muhammad died except Isa son of Maryam.” But we find no such thing. Hence Surah 3:144 proves that Jesus must have died as the Gospels clearly and honestly testify. I notice, you are running from the question I ask, rilwayn could not answer it either, did John die or not ? |
^^^ Surah 5:75: The Messiah, son of Marium is but a messenger; messengers before him have indeed passed away; and his mother was a truthful woman; they both used to eat food. See how We make the communications clear to them, then behold, how they are turned away. (Shakir) Surah 3:144: And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away BEFORE HIM; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? (Shakir) The first Surah clearly states that all messengers before Jesus had died. A fact that Muslims will not deny. And the second Surah states that all messengers BEFORE Muhammad have also passed away in death. Islam teaches that no prophet arose between Jesus and Muhammad. Thus, the immediate messenger before Muhammad was Jesus. As such, the second Surah seems to specifically point to the fact that Jesus too had died. In Arabic, the term for messengers in the above two Surahs is “al-rasul” which literally means “the messengers.” According to grammatical rules of classic Arabic, owing to the prefix “al” (the), the word messengers in the above two verses really means all messengers. |
mubarakopeyemi:the term “die” is translated from the Arabic word, “mutawaffika.” The term “mutawaffika” occurs over 25 times in the Qur’an, and in each case it refers to the death of someone. Especially enlightening is its usage in Surah 39:42: “It is Allah that takes (mutawaffika) the souls (of men) at death; and those that die not (He takes) (m utawaffika) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death.” (Yusuf Ali) Thus, it is important to note that if Qur’an translators (like Yusuf Ali) prefer to use another phrase such as, “Thou didst take me up” (mutawaffika) instead of “Thou didst cause me to die” (mutawaffika) in their translations, it means the same thing in the Arabic Qur’an. It means death. |
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