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dalaman:
Smoking, drinking alcohol, and tanning are real but heaven and hell are not real, they are fictitious and therein lies the big difference.

you are saying nonsense here , hell doesent exist ? For argument sake , okay. You supported the op (do not threatened little children with hell) okay, you are being threatened now (dalaman) do not smoke or you will die. *if you vex , go throw yourself from 10story building*

johnydon22:
Same way you are chatting with an EX Christian...

alright. But now you doesent believe in the two faith. What I am trying to say to your atheists friends, if you don't believe in the guidance of the holy spirit , you cannot interprete the bible, something the quran lack.

johnydon22:

But you are qualified to interpret the Quran. . . To be totally honest you are an epitome of hypocrisy..

you are chatting with an ex muslim my friend.

johnydon22:
[b][i]I see it totally wrong to subject a child to the fear of an imaginary smoke caused by an imaginary cigarette.
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who are you trying to impress with your writing ? You don't need say sooo much nonsense after admitting hell does not exist in the first place. No problem in threatening your child with hell if hell does not exist in the first place. Next time you are presenting your argument , don't be bias ( I agree, it is wrong) you are not qualify to discuss this because you don't believe in it anyway.

onetrack:
Yes we are.

Alright.

freecocoa:
Because god had not created black people at the time.

since you know more, when was black created ?

hahn:
I thought he was your boy

you and your atheists friends are not qualify to interprete scripture.

johnydon22:
^^^^ Why is it that this guy always talks out of point in every thread. . .always brings about unrelated assertions to the topic of a thread..

Seriously am just too tired of idiotic assertions

I was replying the guy comment on how will those raised in others religion can be save.

@op. Let me ask you a question:
Is it wrong in reminding people that things like smoking, drinking alcohol, and tanning cause health risks, and even early death ? Your skin will look hideous if you don't do this, is this threat bad ? What is the different in telling someone don't smoke or you will die and tell a child , don't steal or you will burn in fire ? ( I don't support threatening children with hell ) but if you want to present your argument , do it without a bias mind , be irreligious, what you are doing here , you are trying to make evangelist look evil .

the most important thing @ op is how do you view all this as an atheist ? As a christian, this is how I view it ." Would the promise of $500 seem appealing? Sure. But now imagine that you were threatened to lose $500, unless you do something, and then you will get $500 profit. This would seem even more
appealing (getting $500) after thinking
you could lose $500.

Galantian 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you,LET THEM BE UNDER GOD'S CURSE!

Teempakguy:
He's right. . . .

Most of the good we do does not stem from religion, button a natural sense of morality.

Doubt me?

Google Buddhist monks. Who are also the most peaceful group of people I've ever discovered. According to Christianity, they're going to burn in hell.

Doesn't change the fact that they're better than most pastors . . . .

Deuteronomy 29:29:
The secret things belong to the Lord
our God, but the things revealed
belong to us and to our children
forever, that we may follow all the
words of this law.

However ,if you understand the nature of God , you will know that God is a God of justice.All of us have some knowledge of him and will be judged according to that. God 'will give to each person according to what he has done', NOT according to what he had no opportunity to do.

All other religions are distortions of the truth, but still contain some truth. If by the guidance of the Holy Spirit a person looks through that distorted lense, glimpses a dim reflection of reality and responds accordingly, it does not validate that false religion as a whole, but simply the truth that lies buried underneath. For instance, if a Muslim reads of 'Isa (Jesus) in the Qur'an and learns of his sinless life and the fact that he is a spirit from God,it is just possible that he may grasp that Jesus is in fact greater than Muhammad, who needed God's forgiveness for his sin. This does not however mean that Islam is a valid route to God; only that the Holy Spirit can work in anyone.

Today multitudes are blinded and
confused by wrong ideas about God. Our task as Christians is to hold up the light of the gospel, bringing true teaching about who God is and how we may know him.

tomakint:
It still beats my imagintion that some set of people created by God, blessed by God will for over hundreds of years cultivate the belief of travelling several miles with their hard-earned money from their respective countries to a supposed 'place of worship' only to physically stone the devil, a spirit that cannot be seen with human eye when this same devil can be spiritually stoned with your sincere prayers in the corner of your room without spending a dime. Indeed, religion makes one HIGH

God bless you my good friend.
Ephesians 6:12
New Living Translation
For we are not fighting against flesh-and-
blood enemies, but against evil rulers
and authorities of the unseen world,
against mighty powers in this dark world,
and against evil spirits in the heavenly
places.

John 12:31
Now is the time for judgment on this
world; now the prince of this world will
be driven out.

Acts 26:18
to open their eyes and turn them from
darkness to light, and from the power of
Satan to God, so that they may receive
forgiveness of sins and a place among
those who are sanctified by faith in me.'

1 Corinthians 9:25
Everyone who competes in the games
goes into strict training. They do it to get
a crown that will not last, but we do it to
get a crown that will last forever.

Willybos:
Y stoning Devil? Now, imaging how devil has cause the dead of hundred of people. Next tym, go and stone devil again.

Ephesians 6:12
For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world,against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

Is the devil living in kabba , which make the muslims to stone him ? The funny thing is that Allah live their too.

Rilwon:
I don't like e-fight, but I don't like taking shìt from those touts in politics section.




I don't believe in the 72virgins BS. The Quran never made mention of 72 virgins or assess to booze

The Qur'anic Paradise is sensual in nature, promising Muslim men
voluptuous virgins but does not specify their exact number. However, the 72 virgin thing did not come like that because the hadith mention the numbers.

Lo! We have created them a (new)
creation, And made them virgins,
Lovers, friends, For those on the right
hand; Qur'an 56:35-38

Abu Umama narrated: "The
Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that
God admits into paradise will be
married to 72 WIVES; two of them
are houris and seventy of his
inheritance of the [female] dwellers
of hell . All of them will have
libidinous sex organs and he will have
an ever-erect penis.' "
Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of
Abstinence) 39

Each time we sleep with a Houri we
find her virgin. Besides, the PENI*IS OF
THE ELECTED NEVER SOFTENS .THE. EREC*TION IS ETERNAL; the sensation that you feel each time you make love
is utterly delicious and out of this
world and were you to experience it
in this world you would faint. Each
chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry
seventy [sic] houris, besides the
women he married on earth, and all
will have appetizing vaginas.
Al-Itqan fi Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 351

Rilwon:
Thats not true. An unbeliever that repents from his/her sin and accept God will be forgiven with no string attached; with nobody dying for his or her sin.

But in the case of christianity, an unbeliever that died without believing Yahweh killed his son is going to Hell fire, is this true or not?

Are dead non-christian/unbeliever going to hell or not?

very Good, Allah do not love the unbelievers, then he is guilty of hate hence he fall for judgment, why will a god who claimed to create human hate his creation ?

When the Old Testament prophet Isaiah
predicted the suffering of Messiah he
said, “But the Lord was pleased to crush
Him, putting Him to grief” (53:10). Why?
Why would God the Father be pleased to kill His only begotten Son? The verse goes on to answer that question, “If He would render HIMSELF as a guilt offering.” God was pleased with the obedience of Jesus and the price He willingly paid for the guilt of our sin.

God was pleased to display His love
for us.“But God demonstrates His own love toward us,in that while we were yet
sinners, Christ died for us” (Rom. 5:.
The required payment for sin is death.
Jesus paid that price by dying on the
cross and enduring God’s wrath against
our sin.

texanomaly:
I saw this on fb. Interesting...Never thought of it this way.

Light has no shadow! The Bible says, "God is light; in Him there is no darkness at all." 1 John 1:5

amazing. I love this.

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malvisguy212:
In the middle of the confusion of the war on terrorism is the question of the nature of the religion of Islam. Some say that it is a peaceful religion at its heart, that only the fringe extremists are bent on war.

One side claims that "jihad" means a
personal struggle against evil in one's
behavior. Others claim that it means
conquest of the part of the world that is
not Muslim, by whatever means
necessary, including acts of terror.

Both sides refer to specific passages in
the Koran for support. For the soul winner, these are not the important issues. Bible believers are asking, "How can we reach Muslims with the gospel which will solve their struggle against evil?"

One way involves God's love.The biblical concept of God loving the sinner, is
FOREIGN TO MUSLIM THINKING. To them, Allah is "compassionate" and "merciful," BUT only to those who obey him.

Their relationship to Allah is not as father and son but more as MASTER AND SLAVE. Allah is not pictured in the quran as a loving Creator, longing for an intimate relationship with man.

Biblical concepts found in John 3:16, 1
John 4:6-10 ("God is love" and in the
Lord's prayer where we address God as
"Our Father" are nowhere found in
Muslim thinking. Muslims memorize the
"99 beautiful names of Allah,"BUT "love"
or "loving" is no where in that list.

"The love of God is the chief attribute of the biblical God as revealed in such places as John 3:16.God has feelings for his creatures, especially man"

But when we turn to the Quran, we do
not find love presented as the chief
attribute of Allah. Instead, the
transcendence of Allah is his chief
attribute.

"Neither does Allah 'have feelings'
toward man. That concept is foreign to
Islamic teaching. That would reduce
Allah to being a mere man -which again
is blasphemous to a Muslim."

"The greatest difference between the two faiths is the personal quality of God," writes Emir and Ergun Caner in Unveiling Islam. "ONE MUST LOVE Allah IN ORDER FOR Allah TO LOVE THAT PERSON IN RETURN .In Christianity, God loved people first in order to secure their salvation"

The story that Jesus told of the prodigal
son illustrates a side of God that is
foreign to the followers of Allah. The
Quran states flatly that "Allah loves NOT those who reject Faith"(surah 3:32).
"The Muslim can be totally sure that
Allah will never restore a believer who
has rejected the faith of Islam," we must show the Muslim that Allah offers "no love, no sure forgiveness of sins and only empty dreams of a false paradise."

Only Jesus, the God of the Bible, loved us while were yet sinners,offering sure forgiveness, and eternal life with a loving heavenly Father.

any muslims care to provide a verse of unconditional love in the quran ?

Demmzy15:
Prove to me your god loves all of mankind including believers and unbelievers. No dodging!

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates his own love for
us in this: While WE WRER STILL SINNERS Christ died for us.

John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this: to lay
down one's life for one's friends.

Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son, but
gave him up for us all--how will he not
also, along with him, graciously give us
all things?

Romans 8:39
neither height nor depth, nor anything
else in all creation, will be able to
separate us from the love of God that is
in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ and I
no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Rilwon:
That's why he is ready to forgive sinners without any sacrifice attached.

"ONE MUST LOVE Allah IN ORDER
FOR Allah TO LOVE THAT PERSON IN
RETURN .In Christianity, God loved
people first in order to secure their
salvation"
Qur’an 3:31-32—Say [O Muhammad]: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah DOES NOT LOVE THE UNBELIEVERS .

Any need for explanation here ? Surly Allah will not restored those who reject islam, the unbelievers have no hope.

Intrepid01:
Loool......when Christians have their faith criticized, they seem humbled.

malvisguy212:
one thing about muslims is that they don't know the nature of the true God, truth is foreign to muslims. The sacrifice offered by a
righteous men like Noah in faith was
acceptable as the most FRAGRANT INCENSE .

actually, the op did not say anything different, he only exaggerate.

Rilwon:
my bros, annunaki a.k.a jagoon is not a boy o. He is probably of the same set with Oladeegbu, even if oladeegbu is older than him, its goin to be like 5years difference. Malvisguy as foolish as he is either slightly above 30 or going to 40.

Too many old fools on this board. smh!

another chance to proved Allah love everyone (including unbelievers). provide a single verse in the quran , Allah love everybody including sinners.

plaetton:
Funny, was just thinking about this malvisguy212 's suya loving spiritual god, and KingEbukasBlog' s, whose god lives outside of time and space, would ocassionally come down to terra firma, just to enjoy good ol juicy suya?

atheists claimed they know the bible, but it baffled me that you guys chose to ignore the love the bible preaches, where wear you when I open a thread challenging the muslims to provide a single verse were Allah show love to unbelievers ? The muslims know, if they try in providing verse to refute my claimed ,it will amount to 'contradiction' You ignored the thread because muslims and atheists have a common link (satanic manipulation) when last you did you challenge the muslims belief ?

Rilwon:
All through the OT , God requires offerings for atonement of sins. Elaborate temples have to be built to very specific detail and for every sin that is committed , an animal has to be killed, bled and burnt . Or was God just a convenient explanation for grilling meat ? Maybe grilled lamb was really savory and funding was impossible unless it was a religious ritual ? I have to ask because the bible never explains why the smell of burnt meat is a satisfactory offering to receive his forgiveness.









[ Read more in the bible. ]

Clearly , the death of Jesus made up for the sacrificing of all the animals. If God required the scent of burnt offerings for atonement in the OT , why wasn't Jesus body charred for the smoke to go up to the air for God to smell? Maybe the explanation for that is that was because it was God himself . So, then, how is God satisfied with his own death ? Was it the smell of his own dying body ? Did the curiosity of being killed finally satisfy him? If so, why?

one thing about muslims is that they don't know the nature of the true God, truth is foreign to muslims. The sacrifice offered by a
righteous men like Noah in faith was
acceptable as the most FRAGRANT INCENSE .

@mubarakopeyemi
1.why are you lying ? Did john record what you wrote ? John did not write what you are implying here , infacte john Did not record anything like "Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him" you inserted this on your reasoning (the bible contradicte your reasoning) The fact that John does not mention a kiss does not mean Judas did not use a kiss.Many times we have seen where one of the gospel writers includes a piece of information which another leaves out. That does not imply that either one is wrong,only that,as witnesses, they view an event by different means, and so include into their testimony only that which they deem to be important.
2. The first list has restrictions on younger men for military campaigns. The second list includes every able bodied individual, in the case of a
defense or war against Jerusalem.
Or perhaps it's due to the unofficial and incomplete nature of the census (1
Chronicles 27:23-24).
3.Saul failed at suicide and died by the Amalekite, unless the Amalekite lied. After he was dead his dead body was
hung by the Philistines.
4. both passages are correct. In the Genesis 46:1-27 the total number of direct descendants that traveled to Egypt with Jacob were 66 in number
according to verse 26. This is because
Judah was sent on ahead in verse 28 of
Chapter 46 and because Joseph and his
two sons were already in Egypt.However
in verse 27 all the members of the family are included, including Joseph and his sons and Judah making a total number of 70, referring to the total number of Jacob’s family that ended up in Egypt not just those that traveled with him to Egypt.

In the older Septuagint and Dead Sea
Scroll manuscripts the number given in
verse 27 is 75. This is because they also
include Joseph’s three grandsons and
two great grandsons listed in Numbers
26:28-37, and in at least the Septuagint
version their names are listed in Genesis 46:20. Therefore the Acts 7:14 quotation of Stephen’s speech before his martyrdom is correct because he was quoting from the Septuagint.
5. if you had done any study into the history of these two accounts would never have bothered to ask such question, the bible is not trying to mention the census of the sons of asgad. The bible was mentioning the names of freed captives from Babylon However, some of asgad sons may have died long time ago.

mubarakopeyemi:
malvisguy212

this guy is funny. Shall I bring out the ridiculous blunders in the Bible??

1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
•God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
•Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
•Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
•One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
•Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
•Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
•Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
•Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
•Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
•Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

6. Who killed Goliath?
•David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
• Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)

7. Who killed Saul?
•Saul took his own sword and fell upon it.... Thus Saul died... (I Samuel 31:4-6)
•An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)

8. Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
•No (John 3:13)
•Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11)

9. Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?
• Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
• Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)

10. Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?
•Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
•No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)

11. When did the women buy the spices?
•After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)
•Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)

12. At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
•Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)
•When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)

13. Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
•Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
•No. (John 12:27)

14. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
•By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
•On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)

15. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?
•Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
•No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.

16. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
•Yes (Mark 6:
•No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)

17. Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
•Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
•No (Luke 9:9)

18. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
•Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
•No (John 1:32,33)

19. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
•Yes (John 1:32, 33)
•No (Matthew 11:2)

20. According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
•If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)
•Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14)

21. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
•Yes (Matthew 21:12)
•No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17)

22. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
•Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
•No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)

23. Did Judas kiss Jesus?
•Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
•No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)


AND SO ON......

I can explained it for you, but unfortunately, the questions is to much, one thing I will say to you, the bible contradicte your reasoning.

Rilwon:
Read; http://www.justislam.co.uk/product.php?products_id=115
http://lostislamichistory.com/the-al-aqsa-mosque-through-the-ages-1/



LOL.. See obvious lie. Smh for you.

trash. The author of the article are desperate to hide the truth. This single verse has produce many explanation, some muslims say the mosque is not a place and others bring different explanation, which is right ?

lanrehamd:
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Was Crusader war not championed and executed by Christians... go back to ur history.
NO MUSLIM IN THE WORLD IS IN SUPPORT OF SHEKAU'S KILLING.

the names op mention were political leaders, who are fighting for there own purpose. Boko haram, Isis and the rest terror group are All fighting to established islam.
Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until
persecution is no more, AND RELIGION IS ONLY FOR ALLAH. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."

The key phrase is to fight until "religion be only for Allah." While.

Qur'an (3:83) - "Are they seeking a
religion other than Allah's, when every
soul in the heavens and the earth has
submitted to Him, willingly or by
compulsion?"
So much for the earlier verse (2:256) stating that there is "no compulsion in religion".

Till today muslims are inspired by this evil verses to spread islam by force.

Rilwon:
And when did you graduate from the theological school?



Here is where you ought to use your brain; thats if it is still functioning. The verse was written by Mattew, whereas Mattew was not among the disciples that went with Jesus. So how come those that were with him made no mention of this?



In other words, Jesus is separate from yhwh?

"Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing." - Quran 17:1

The Muslim army conquered Jerusalem
in 637 AD and the al-Aqsa mosque was
completed in 705 AD. The problem with
the above passage in the Quran is that
Muhammad died in 632 AD, which was 5years before the Muslim army reached
Jerusalem and 73 years before the al-
Aqsa mosque was built. This historical blunder in the quran.

Matthew and other bible writers do not write the bible under there own inspiration, they were inspired by God HIMSELF.

Rilwon:
If mark 1:11 is what you mean by Jesus hearing from God, well, Muhammad (SA) also heared from God. Do you know about Al Isra Wal Miraj?
LIMITLESS in His glory is He who transported His servant by night from the Inviolable House of Worship [at Mecca] to the Remote House of Worship [, at Jerusalem] - the environs of which We had blessed -so that We might show him some of Our symbols: for, verily, He alone is all-hearing, all-seeing

Meanwhile, I thought Jesus is the word of yhwh, so which kine word/voice did jesus hear

muhammed did not hear directly from God, the quranic verse you provide indicate, muhammed heard via a dream with NO witness . infacte the claimed of one night journey has a theological error.

Matthew 17:1-6
17 After six days Jesus took with him
Peter, James and John the brother of
James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for
us to be here. If you wish, I will put up
three shelters—one for you, one for
Moses and one for Elijah.”
5 While he was still speaking, a bright
cloud covered them, and a voice from
the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I
love; with him I am well pleased. Listen
to him!”
6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,”he said. “Don’t be afraid.” 8 When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.

Jesus is the word of God does not mean God the father voice become mute. The bible say , through the word the world was frame.
Hebrews 4:12 says,
“The word of God is alive and active.
Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and
spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the
thoughts and attitudes of the heart.”

obagoriola:
some staff just came out now to say they have been seeing the snake before nau

tell your co-worker to be very careful because the male/female snake will come looking for his mate. May God protect his own in Jesus name.

*modified* this kind of snake may have a lover nearby.