 Christianity Etc › Re: The Allegedly Corrupted Scripture? Questions For Muslims. by malvisguy212(op): 9:16am On Sep 22, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:
Quran2:40-42 never said the bible is true revelation but it's just warning the Israelites to fear Allah, to believe in the Quran which most of them did not. Read!!!
O Children of Israel, remember My favor which I have bestowed upon you and fulfill My covenant [upon you] that I will fulfill your covenant [from Me], and be afraid of [only] Me.
And believe in what I have sent down confirming that which is [already] with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price, and fear [only] Me.
And do not mix the truth with falsehood or conceal the truth while you know [it].
Yes we are to believe in all revelations if and only if it goes in line with Quran, because we are assured that the Quran is flawless.
Q2:136
So if they believe in the same as you believe in, then they have been [rightly] guided; but if they turn away, they are only in dissension, and Allah will be sufficient for you against them. And He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
As you can see, this verse does not support you, it's telling the Muslims the same thing I told you above, we follow the revelation only if it is in line with the Quran.
Of course!! This is referring to the Quran. Read!
And certainly were messengers denied before you, but they were patient over [the effects of] denial, and they were harmed until Our victory came to them. And none can alter the words of Allah . And there has certainly come to you some information about the [previous] messengers.
Notice the last statement which I underlined.
Show me the verse that says Bible
Dumb!!
Super dumb!!
Allah never never referred muhammad to corinthians, luke, chronicles, etc. Get it right! trash!!! Sura 5:68 (Al-Maida) - "Say: 'People of the Book (Christians and Jews), you stand for nothing until you observe the Torah and the Gospel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord." It say the people stand for nothing until they observ the torah and gospel, meaning the bible is perfect during muhammed time. Before I proceeds, let me provide another verse : Sura 5:48 (Al-Maida) - "And to you We have revealed the Book with the truth confirming what was revealed before it in the other Books, and standing as a GUARDIAN OVER IT ." Now answer the following question and see for your self : The Quran was to be the guardian of all the previously revealed Scripture. If the Bible was corrupted, then the Quran failed in its work. If the Bible was corrupted, when and where and how was it corrupted? Was it corrupted before Prophet Muhammed's time or after? If it was before his time, then why did he not say so and why did he tell his people to read the Law and the Gospel? If it was after Prophet Muhammed's time, then why do we have ancient copies of the Bible that are much older than Muhammed that read exactly the same as the Bible today? Further more: In Sum 5:43 (Al-Maida) the Quran confirms the truthfulness of the Torah (Law of Moses, Old Testament). When Prophet Muhammed met some Jews in Arabia, Allah said to him, "But why do they come to you for judgment when they already have the Torah in which is Allah's own judgment?" Furthermore, in Sura 5:47, the Quran says, "Let the followers of the Gospel judge in accordance with what Allah has revealed therein. Evil doers are those who do not base their judgments on Allah's revelations." This confirms that the Bible was known to Prophet Muhammed and he had full confidence in its truthfulness. It also tells us that according to true Islam,Christians are to guide themselves by the Gospel. Muhammed was even told, "If thou (Muhammed) art in doubt concerning that which we reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scriptures before thee." (Sura 10:94 - Yunus). Prophet Muhammed was told to refer to the Christians for fuller spiritual understanding. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Sango Is Superior To The Christian God (jehovah) by malvisguy212: 7:43pm On Sep 21, 2015 |
The op is under satanic manipulation. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: So You Thought Isaiah 7:14 Prophesied The Coming Of Jesus?? WRONG AGAIN! by malvisguy212: 3:04pm On Sep 21, 2015 |
gbaskiphylle:
This is one of the reasons I don't like all this theological explanations giving excuses for falsehood...which one is dual prophesy again?...the scripture cited and explained by the op is straightforward...of what benefit was the prophesy of Jesus birth to Ahaz?...When errors are pointed out,we either attack the op or give flimsy explanations instead of looking at the issue objectively...Thanks Op...I totally agree with you! malvisguy212:
Please read the previous
verse in Isaiah 7:13, "And he said,Hear ye now, O HOUSE OF DAVID ."
Notice the Lord is not speaking to Ahaz directly, but to the O HOUSE OF DAVID. It is a sign for the " house of David", it is a future confirmation and does not have to be fulfilled right there and then in Ahaz's time.
OK, now notice verse 16 says, "before the child (Jesus) shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good…"
Was Assyria forsaken by the Lord before Jesus knew about good and evil? Yes. Assyria was forsaken before Jesus was born in the flesh! Therefore, this prophesy is not contradictory, but in harmony. The Bible says Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled in Matthew 1:23 and Luke 1:31 with the birth of Jesus.
Other reasons why I believe this "child" refers to Jesus is in
Isaiah 8:14, "And he shall be for a
sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem."
This was fulfilled by Jesus in Romans 9:33 and 1 Peter2:8. Isaiah 9:6-7 describes this "child" from Isaiah 7:14 in more detail. Only Jesus fits this
description of this "child". |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Allegedly Corrupted Scripture? Questions For Muslims. by malvisguy212(op): 2:50pm On Sep 21, 2015 |
ibnmonsur
In SURA 2:40-42 The Quran declares the Bible to be a true revelation of God and demands faith in the Bible.
And in Sura 2:136;A true Muslim is obliged to believe in all the revelation of God. Also in Sura 2:136 The Quran makes no distinction between God's revelations.
The Quran claims that NO ONE can
change the Word of God. Sura 6:34.
The quran speak highly of the bible , BUT the quran contradict the bible
The Bible was completed 500 years before the Quran was revealed to Muhammad. If someone today wrote a book that contradicts a historical document written at the time of an event that took place in 1497 the person who wrote the second book would have to be able to prove the older document was false AND also prove its facts were true.
The document written at the time of the event would not have to prove itself against a latter document.This is neither logical, rational or true to the principles of the science of history. Merely proving that the older document was not accurate also does not by default mean the newer document is true. It must stand on its own and prove itself.
Why do say the bible is corrupted ,when Allah ask muhammed to make confirmation of the earlier scripture? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: White People Hardly Go To Church Now by malvisguy212: 2:21pm On Sep 21, 2015 |
plaetton:
Cognitive dissonance on display.
Did you get anything, I mean anything at all from the op?
In summary, the op points that Africans are very dumb for not only being duped by wishy washy fraud religions from the stone-age middle east, but are also ret.arded for carrying them along after the rest of the world is moving on with science and intellectual persuits.
Do you agree or not?
You do not need to quote from the BOOK OF MORO.N. answer this question pleased. Who brainwashed Africa into believing in fraud (religion) ? Good to see you once again. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Allegedly Corrupted Scripture? Questions For Muslims. by malvisguy212(op): 10:34am On Sep 21, 2015 |
ibnmonsur your explanation is not acceptable at all , the quran say "the previous books were in written material(oral message) how comes all this vanish without anyone having the original ? You say Allah allow the previous book to be corrupted ,but the same Allah would encourage the Jews to judge by their book, why will Allah allow the Jews to judge with a corrupted book ?
Quran 5:43
But how do they come to you for
decision while THEY HAVE THE TAURAT
(Torah), in which IS the (plain)
DECISION OF Allah; yet even after that,
they turn away. For they are not
(really) believers.
What make this verse interesting is that it make muhammed NO guidance of the Jews. The torah is the plain decision of Allah . This mean before muhammed died, the scripture is in perfect state because Allah cannot ask the Jews to judge with a corrupted book. So when was the scripture corrupted ? How was muhammed able to received the revelation that the scripture is corrupted ?
Quran 5:46-47
And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to
follow in their footsteps, confirming
that which was (revealed) before him
in the Torah, and We bestowed on
him the Gospel wherein IS guidance
and a light, confirming that which was
(revealed) before it in the Torah - a
guidance and an admonition unto
those who ward off (evil). Let the
PEOPLE OF THE GOSPEL JUDGE BY THAT WHICH Allah HATH REAVELED THEREIN.
Whoso judgeth not by that which
Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers.
Again, Allah encourage christians to judge by the gospel, this proved that during the time muhammed was alive, the Gospel is in perfect state, so when was this book corrupted ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: So You Thought Isaiah 7:14 Prophesied The Coming Of Jesus?? WRONG AGAIN! by malvisguy212: 9:49am On Sep 21, 2015 |
Lanre747:
Let me shed light:
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
THE LORD shall call him Immanuel... Did He?
Isaiah 8:8 And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.
He did not say "You shall name him Immanuel".
And even if this did not refer to this particular child, your thoughts should lead you to consider that whoever this child was, he would have to be born in the time of Isaiah, NOT hundreds of years later. The NT writers basically retrofitted prophecies, lol.
Thanks Please read the previous verse in Isaiah 7:13, "And he said,Hear ye now, O HOUSE OF DAVID ." Notice the Lord is not speaking to Ahaz directly, but to the O HOUSE OF DAVID. It is a sign for the " house of David", it is a future confirmation and does not have to be fulfilled right there and then in Ahaz's time. OK, now notice verse 16 says, "before the child (Jesus) shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good…" Was Assyria forsaken by the Lord before Jesus knew about good and evil? Yes. Assyria was forsaken before Jesus was born in the flesh! Therefore, this prophesy is not contradictory, but in harmony. The Bible says Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled in Matthew 1:23 and Luke 1:31 with the birth of Jesus. Other reasons why I believe this "child" refers to Jesus is in Isaiah 8:14, "And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem." This was fulfilled by Jesus in Romans 9:33 and 1 Peter2:8. Isaiah 9:6-7 describes this "child" from Isaiah 7:14 in more detail. Only Jesus fits this description of this "child". |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Shepherd Psalm by malvisguy212(op): 9:24am On Sep 21, 2015 |
malvisguy212:
Psalm 23 has six verses.It is especially
appreciated by unsaved church people who like to think the Lord is their Shepherd when He's not. Unfortunately, some of the better known portions of Scripture are the portions that deal with anything except salvation. Perhaps the most well known verses of Scripture--or
portions--are the Sermon on the Mount, I Corinthians 13,the Ten Commandments, the Lord's Prayer,
and Psalm 23. Now, the reason why
these are favorites is because nothing
in one of those passages could tell anybody how to be saved. And all
those passages assume the man is either an Old Testament saint or a
New Testament saint. So all unsaved
people like those portions of Scripture
that don't call their sins to their attention.
But since we(born again) are saved, we do know the Lord is our Shepherd, and that He is our personal Shepherd. And I can truthfully say that the Lord is my
shepherd individually.
This is the Shepherd Psalm.Psalm 22 deals with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and resurrection. Psalm 23, then, deals
with the relationship of the Lord Jesus Christ to the individual saint after the resurrection. And Psalm 24 plainly speaks of the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Psalms are laid out in prophetic order: Psalm 22, the crucifixion; Psalm 23, a picture of the Church Age; and Psalm 24, a picture of the Second Advent.
Psalm 23 has a beautiful outline: In
verse 1 we have a happy life. In verse
4 we have a happy death. And in verse 6 we have a happy eternity. In the great Psalm, Psalm 23, we find the Lord is with me, He is beneath me, He is before me, He is around me, He is after me, and He is ahead of me. Psalm 23 is David historically speaking about his relationship with the Lord, and pictures the relationship of the Christian who's got into the right fold.
The Lord is my shepherd" Notice the personal wording. The Lord is not our
shepherd. The Lord is my shepherd.
There's a big difference when you get
to know the Shepherd. "The Lord is
my shepherd.
The Lord is my Shepherd:
That's Relationship!
I shall not want:
That's Supply!
He maketh me to lie down in
green pastures:
That's Rest!
He leadeth me beside the still
waters:
That's Refreshment!
He restoreth my soul:
That's Healing!
He leadeth me in the paths of
righteousness:
That's Guidance!
For His name sake:
That's Purpose!
Yea, though I walk through the
valley of the shadow of death:
That's Testing!
I will fear no evil:
That's Protection!
For Thou art with me:
That's Faithfulness!
Thy rod and Thy staff they
comfort me:
That's Discipline!
Thou preparest a table before
me in the presence of mine
enemies:
That's Hope!
Thou annointest my head with
oil:
That's Consecration!
My cup runneth over:
That's Abundance!
Surely goodness and mercy
shall follow me all the days of
my life:
That's Blessing!
And I will dwell in the house of
the Lord:
That's Security!
Forever:
That's Eternity! . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Allegedly Corrupted Scripture? Questions For Muslims. by malvisguy212(op): 9:21am On Sep 21, 2015 |
malvisguy212:
Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and WRITTEN ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.
I'm sure the muslims know the quran was not revealed in writing. Therefore the 'writings' above refers to the earlier
Scriptures. The written proved their MUST be copies going on circulation. okay!!!
I challenge ALL muslims to answer the
following questions, if properly
answered, you will discovered soo many
lies has been told against God word:
1. At what point did the people corrupted
the Torah and Injeel, was it BEFORE
islam, during Muhammad's time of
AFTER him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah
refer Muhammad to something that is
non-existent to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how
was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) has been
corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow
man throw away His words before He
would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from
experience?
6. Why will God ask muhammed to make
confirmation of the corrupted scripture
(injeel and torah) ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What About Love In The Quran? by malvisguy212(op): 9:17am On Sep 21, 2015 |
malvisguy212:
In the middle of the confusion of the war on terrorism is the question of the nature of the religion of Islam. Some say that it is a peaceful religion at its heart, that only the fringe extremists are bent on war.
One side claims that "jihad" means a
personal struggle against evil in one's
behavior. Others claim that it means
conquest of the part of the world that is
not Muslim, by whatever means
necessary, including acts of terror.
Both sides refer to specific passages in
the Koran for support. For the soul winner, these are not the important issues. Bible believers are asking, "How can we reach Muslims with the gospel which will solve their struggle against evil?"
One way involves God's love.The biblical concept of God loving the sinner, is
FOREIGN TO MUSLIM THINKING. To them, Allah is "compassionate" and "merciful," BUT only to those who obey him.
Their relationship to Allah is not as father and son but more as MASTER AND SLAVE. Allah is not pictured in the quran as a loving Creator, longing for an intimate relationship with man.
Biblical concepts found in John 3:16, 1
John 4:6-10 ("God is love" and in the
Lord's prayer where we address God as
"Our Father" are nowhere found in
Muslim thinking. Muslims memorize the
"99 beautiful names of Allah,"BUT "love"
or "loving" is no where in that list.
"The love of God is the chief attribute of the biblical God as revealed in such places as John 3:16.God has feelings for his creatures, especially man"
But when we turn to the Quran, we do
not find love presented as the chief
attribute of Allah. Instead, the
transcendence of Allah is his chief
attribute.
"Neither does Allah 'have feelings'
toward man. That concept is foreign to
Islamic teaching. That would reduce
Allah to being a mere man -which again
is blasphemous to a Muslim."
"The greatest difference between the two faiths is the personal quality of God," writes Emir and Ergun Caner in Unveiling Islam. "ONE MUST LOVE Allah IN ORDER FOR Allah TO LOVE THAT PERSON IN RETURN .In Christianity, God loved people first in order to secure their salvation"
The story that Jesus told of the prodigal
son illustrates a side of God that is
foreign to the followers of Allah. The
Quran states flatly that "Allah loves NOT those who reject Faith"(surah 3:32).
"The Muslim can be totally sure that
Allah will never restore a believer who
has rejected the faith of Islam," we must show the Muslim that Allah offers "no love, no sure forgiveness of sins and only empty dreams of a false paradise."
Only Jesus, the God of the Bible, loved us while were yet sinners,offering sure forgiveness, and eternal life with a loving heavenly Father. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 9:13am On Sep 21, 2015 |
parisbookaddict:
Mister muslim. Did the songs of Solomon command Christians to kill MuslimS. What is ur issue with it.
Did the book say its a prophesy. U claim the book is xrated. Then please quote those passages in context and let's see if it encourages immorality. Don't forget its the book u muslims claim mohammed is mentioned in the bible. Your hypocrisy is legendary
The quran is filled with bloody violence that inspires murder everyday, has the songs of Solomon inspired ChRistians to kill.
dude mention me when u havE serious issues to discuss.
You are yet to answer these questions.
Did Mohammed sleep with a child, 9 year old
Aisha?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he kill people eg meccans, pagans, Jews etc?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did Mohammed command his followers to fight people based on their beliefs?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he sleep with and have sex slaves?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he command his followers to sleep with captives their right hand possess?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did Mohammed marry more wives than Islamic Allah permits Muslims?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did the quran claim that no miracle will be performed by mohammed?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did mohammed contradict himself or abrogate quran passages because they where contradictory to earlier revelations?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he permit the murder of his critics?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he rape women during after war, which he
called war booty?{I.e Slave-girls as sexual property}YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he permit Muslims to beat their wives? {Even if but lightly}YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he ask people to drink camel piss and milk for good health?YES, HEALTHY/NO, HE DIDN'T/I DON'T KNOW
Did Mohammed say apostates should be killed?YES & I CONCUR / YES, BUT I DON'T CONCUR / NO, HE COULDN'T HAVE!
Did mohammed say he can't guide anyone. YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did mohammed say muslims should cut of the finger tips of their enemies
YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did you know many rightly suspected that mohammed was either mad or a fraud as recorded in the quran.
YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW |
| Christianity Etc › Re: White People Hardly Go To Church Now by malvisguy212: 8:31am On Sep 21, 2015 |
dalaman:
I don't need your prayers. I will also pray to Allah for you. alright. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: White People Hardly Go To Church Now by malvisguy212: 9:14pm On Sep 20, 2015 |
dalaman:
Please get sense, stop copying and posting thrash. isaiah say, they have chosen their own way, they delight in there abomination. When evangelist preach for the Good of the heare and they did not haken , knows that satanic manipulation is going on somewhere. Anyway thank you for your time, I will be praying for you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: White People Hardly Go To Church Now by malvisguy212: 9:04pm On Sep 20, 2015 |
dalaman:
When will you stop copying and pasting thrash? Which truth do you know or hold? Since when has regurgitating ancient mythology become knowing or holding the truth? Romans 1:21–22. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, As a result of man foolishness, God gave man to a deprived heart: Romans 1:28 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: White People Hardly Go To Church Now by malvisguy212: 8:43pm On Sep 20, 2015 |
dalaman:
Take a look at Nigeria and Africa as a whole compared to Europe and tell me which continent is following deceiving spirits. Your African brothers and sisters together with their Arab counterparts are risking their lives at see just to get to Europe a land that is flourishing without your mythical God idea. You are completely deluded. Fabrepass:
man, stop linking spirituality with bible. whites didn't go spiritual with the bible. they don't even give a hoot about the superstitions in the bible. bible is a useless religious book.
Spirituality is governed by principles just like every other scientific method while religion is governed by blind faith. religion wants you to believe but not to know. without you guys, this prophecy of falling away will not come too pass I know, you guys will not believe the truth, and why is that ? The answer is in 2 Thessalonians: 2 Thessalonians 2:10–12 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a STRONG DELUSIONS, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. It is man’s choice whether to accept and believe the truth of Jesus Christ as presented in the Scriptures. To receive the truth and the love God offers is in keeping with its teachings, “This is love for God: to obey His commands” ( 1 John 5:3). Conversely, to know the truth and not obey it is to face the wrath of God: “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness” ( Romans 1:18).Frankly speaking, there is no more dangerous condition for man than to know the truth and refuse to obey it. To do so is to harden the heart and make God’s condemnation sure. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: White People Hardly Go To Church Now by malvisguy212: 6:42pm On Sep 20, 2015 |
dalaman:
Those superstition and fictions have already served their purpose to majority of the whites. Africans are mostly ignorant, hence our continuous attachment to the middle eastern mythologies. did you read the part where the op say the white has gone spiritual? As an atheist, what's the different between believing in God and being spiritualist ? @op 1 Timothy 1:4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and FOLLOW DECEIVING SPIRITS AND THINGS TAUGHT BY DEMONS. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: These Differences Between God And Allah Will Shoke You by malvisguy212: 2:49pm On Sep 20, 2015 |
Op. You are very correct, satan use the quran as a medium to manipulate the true word of God , how could God waited for more than 600 years before He could send muhammed to say "Jesus was not killed",prior before the coming of muhammed, the people who believe Jesus was killed should've been dead , who's gonna take the blame for their unbelief? surly , this is another plot by satan to trick people in following him , remember he once try this plot when he tempt Jesus ,Glory to God, satan fail, muhammed cannot be a prophet of the true God , his revelation is different from others prophet. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If You Were Joseph The Father Of Jesus? by malvisguy212: 7:47am On Sep 20, 2015 |
johnydon22:
This again
Please when will you seat up pleasen.... not everyone believe what you believed. You don't believe in miracle but I do. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If You Were Joseph The Father Of Jesus? by malvisguy212: 7:39am On Sep 20, 2015 |
johnydon22:
Let us be honest with ourselves, no fvcking body will believe that crap. and someone is telling me he had a dream and believed . . are you kiddling me  .
But seriously if Yahweh wanted to impress me he would impregnated Joseph instead  and not the innocent young girl mary, i mean that shiit happens everyday!!! the bible say it a miracle. Unfortunately atheists don't believe in miracle. Even animal had virgin birth how much more Human. http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141219-spectacular-real-virgin-births |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Empty Churches: The Decline Of Cultural Christianity In The West by malvisguy212: 11:00pm On Sep 19, 2015 |
menesheh:
Yea because many people like you choose their (Jewish and Roman) culture and god concept against theirs. let us see your knowledge on how much you understand Christianity. Is Christianity a Jewish culture? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Empty Churches: The Decline Of Cultural Christianity In The West by malvisguy212: 10:14pm On Sep 19, 2015 |
menesheh:
This your epistle, is it meant for this thread and also meant to tackle the menace of low church attendance in Europe especially western Europe. Intelligent people in Europe are bored of those stories of yours because, their great great great fathers have been into this silly Christian ideology. You as a Nigerian is still a learner to compare to them concerning the concept of those imagery events attributed to jesus. This ideology was introduced to us by the same Europeans less than 150 years ago.
OP
In the words of Richard Dawkins "leave Christianity and religion to the poor and uneducated African"
People in Europe doesn't want to identify themselves as atheist because of the danger of being called a bad person and discriminations. They choose to fill-in Christianity just as me too in Nigeria can just answer or fill a document with Christianity in the space for religion. and the Europeans introduced a religion that favour the Jews ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Empty Churches: The Decline Of Cultural Christianity In The West by malvisguy212: 9:08pm On Sep 19, 2015 |
Jesus fills the unfillable hole within us He makes us whole. He meets our deepest needs. He alone releases our
full potential. Everything anyone has ever enjoyed springs from God's creative genius and generosity. Like babies, non-Christians take everything from God and in the height of selfishness give their Maker not so much as a thank you in return.To become a Christian is to come of age. It is to take up your responsibilities with the One to whom you owe everything.
Christians are very ordinary people who dared confront the spiritual need the rest of us fearfully suppress. Through
Jesus they somehow found the courage to push against the torrent of popular opinion and say good-bye to their favorite sins and the stranglehold of
almost life-long habits. They put their life on the line and to their surprise found the warm presence of God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 9:00pm On Sep 19, 2015 |
parisbookaddict:
Mister muslim. Did the songs of Solomon command Christians to kill MuslimS. What is ur issue with it.
Did the book say its a prophesy. U claim the book is xrated. Then please quote those passages in context and let's see if it encourages immorality. Don't forget its the book u muslims claim mohammed is mentioned in the bible. Your hypocrisy is legendary
The quran is filled with bloody violence that inspires murder everyday, has the songs of Solomon inspired ChRistians to kill.
dude mention me when u havE serious issues to discuss.
You are yet to answer these questions.
Did Mohammed sleep with a child, 9 year old
Aisha?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he kill people eg meccans, pagans, Jews etc?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did Mohammed command his followers to fight people based on their beliefs?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he sleep with and have sex slaves?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he command his followers to sleep with captives their right hand possess?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did Mohammed marry more wives than Islamic Allah permits Muslims?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did the quran claim that no miracle will be performed by mohammed?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did mohammed contradict himself or abrogate quran passages because they where contradictory to earlier revelations?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he permit the murder of his critics?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he rape women during after war, which he
called war booty?{I.e Slave-girls as sexual property}YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he permit Muslims to beat their wives? {Even if but lightly}YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he ask people to drink camel piss and milk for good health?YES, HEALTHY/NO, HE DIDN'T/I DON'T KNOW
Did Mohammed say apostates should be killed?YES & I CONCUR / YES, BUT I DON'T CONCUR / NO, HE COULDN'T HAVE!
Did mohammed say he can't guide anyone. YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did mohammed say muslims should cut of the finger tips of their enemies
YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did you know many rightly suspected that mohammed was either mad or a fraud as recorded in the quran.
YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW good evening my lady. NO muslims will give you straight answer. They will only insult you. God bless you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 8:57pm On Sep 19, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:
just post the requested verse let see. what else do you want ? Do you not see verses scholar provide ? Well , no need to argue with you. Ignoring the op mean you have no answer. Good |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 9:25am On Sep 19, 2015 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 8:33am On Sep 19, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:
so the book is divine which means song of solomon8:1-3 is also divine right? weldone! admiring your wife's body is no problem, i agree, but exposing it to the whole world is a big problem, except if you are saying that you malvisguy can expose how your wife body looks like or how her b'reast taste to the whole world. you started derailing the thread at first! you cant threaten me with the mods, believe me, if you go to the bathroom, i will be there, in your dreams, i will be there, even when you are watching tv, i will be there! are you alright ? Did solomon exposed his wife body ? How does the body look like ? Alright, keep on following me as a pet. *a man best friend is dog* |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 8:07am On Sep 19, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:
malvisguy212 i asked a simple question, is the book divine or not if it is not why did paul said the all the scripture is God's breath?, you've not talked on songs of solomon8:1-3 the song of solomon is divine , an inspiration FROM GOD on how a man should love his wife, the different is that the book did not start as a VISION. It is because of your dirty mind that is making you to imagine dirty things. Is there anything wrong for a man to described the body of his wife ? And to admired her soo much ? Pleased stop derailing this topic, answer the op or I will report you to the moderator. Thank you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 7:54am On Sep 19, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:
that verse was explicitly talking to men, that was why azwajuhum meaning WIVES so tell me, how can women use this verse? hahahaha make una come help me laf malvisguy oo , no source of the hadith sef. I've answering you questions now answer mine! trash, As it stands, this passage is formulated gender neutral, i.e. it applies to both male and female believers, and thus indeed permits Muslim men and Muslim women to have sex with those whom their right hands possess without needing to be married first. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 7:50am On Sep 19, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:
malvisguy212, i am waiting, (1)is songs of solomon8:1-3 about a man and his wife?.........(2)you made a statement that, "the book was not introduced as a vision" now i'm asking you, is such book called DIVINE or NOT DIVINE?............(3)you kept lamenting that a man mentioned b'reast in that book and i'm complaining, no malvisguy12! my complaint is, why would he say the b'reast and v'agina of a woman taste like wine? even if it his wife, is this morally right? especially when underaged children has access to this book of porn a.k.a songs of solomon. these questions should also interest parisbookaddict, come help your friend parisbookaddict. malvisguy212:
there is big different between inspiration and vision.
When I say , the book is not introduced as a vision, I mean something like this "thus say the Lord " the writer did not begin like that.compear tp others books. are you dumb ? The book is not introduced as a vision, there is not a single prophecy on it, the reason the book is in the bible is because ,king solomon is one of isreal Great king. The book hold a "good moral standards for marriage" how a man should love his wife (physical love ) the man fall in love with the woman , but the woman did not accept at first because she see him as a stranger, as days go by, she began to know him , at the end the woman fall in love with him . The Bible teaches the “righteousness and value of true love” between a man and woman. So back to the topic, thoes Jews Allah deceive in thinking Jesus died, prior to the coming of muhammed (600years) all of them should've died before then, whose gonna take the blame for believing Jesus died? Allah or satan ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 7:32am On Sep 19, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:
Mr man, the arabic word for husband is zawjun and the arabic word for wife is zawjaha, now the plural wives in arabic is azwajuhum, which was what is used in that verse not zawaj as the site you copied and pasted fron claimed, see http://quran.com/23/1-7 i can see how desperate and frustrated you are, now answer my question in the previous post especially that songs of solomon8:1-3 and stop being a coward. Qatadah said, "A woman slept with her male slave so they brought her to Umar. And they told him she UNDERSTOOD VERSE 23:6 TO SAY THAT , so Umar shaved the male slave head and let her go after expelling the slave from Madina and said the woman shouldn’t marry any one after that." (Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Sura 23:6; Notice the passage that was cited to justify what the woman had done with her male slave. They clearly understood Sura 23:6 to be permitting even the women to enjoy sexual intimacy with their slaves without being required to marry them. Now how did Umar respond? Did he use a Quranic verse to refute them or did he simply forbid them from engaging in sexual relations even though they cited a Quranic text to support their case? Which holds more authority, the Quran or Umar’s arbitrary interpretations and decrees? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 7:47pm On Sep 18, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:
ok if it was not introduce as a vision, then how do you describe such book, divine or not divine? and please tell me that verse i quoted was talking about a man and his wife. because song of solomon talk about female breas't and you say it is impossible that such verse is inspired by God , okay what about this quranic verse: Quran 23:1-7 Successful indeed are the believers, Who are humble in their prayers, And who keep aloof from what is vain, And who are givers of poor-rate, And who guard their PRIVATE PARTS , EXCEPT BEFORE THEIR MATES (azwajihim) or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable, But whoever seeks to go beyond that, these are they that exceed the limits; Infacte, this quranic verse indicate muslims men and woman can have sex before they got married. The reference to "their mates" includes both the males and the females, i.e. to the husbands and wives of the believers. The word zawaj can refer to either spouse and it is not gender specific. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 6:33pm On Sep 18, 2015 |
Demmzy15:
Oya that's it, we're OK with it! So what's your problem? ask questions ,be convinced of what you believe ,the bible say "search the scripture ,ask questions and be convinced of your faith" |
