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Anas09:
Like Malvis said. Dropping an old nature and picking up a new one is not easy. Especially in the kind of world we r living in today, where the society stifles the efforts of true believers.
Let me give u an example.
Am a believer, I get a contract, the project manager inflates my quotation to make money for himself. Everybody around says, mind ur bizness, these things are done everywhere, even some oga's at the top does it. So I keep quite, but later I tell my pastor abt it, he shouts "compromise" and I had to make it right, I go to the management to report myself, I get fired. My contract terminated.
Do u think another christian by the side will do what I did? But I'll do it again. This time, I'll rather not have that contract than let anyone tamper with it.
To follow christ is to turn away from the society, but u live in the society. SO IT's HARD.
Christ didn't promise a smooth ride, He promised a smooth landing.

Rilwayne001:
[b] Seriously this is very stupíd of you. I asked this question first, Instead of you to answer me, you are redirecting it to me again.. Wtf is your problem?

You brought this thing to the table by trying to force it on us claiming the narrations are of the same occasion when actually the 5th one is totally different.

Now I will ask you for the last time as I have asked earlier on: " The books you quoted in the oP makes us understand (from 1-4) that anytime he felt sick, he would pray as well as the angel, and he would get healed. But in the in the event of the illness that killed him (i.e the 5th narration), he didnt bother to pray knowing fully well that death has come. If we are made to understand that he used to pray whenever he is ill in the first 4 narration, doesn't your brain tell you that since the 5th narration made us understand that he didnt pray for recovery - the preceeding ones are not of the same occasion with this last one since we are told he used to pray for recovery in them?

If you are still arguing this, please kindly provide the rightful context to those narration. PleaSe I beg u. [/b]



You don't tell me what to type or what not to type. You brought this up and I am applying the same logic you are using to the story of jesus according to the bible you believe in.

The Jews mocked Jesus , and told him if he is the son of God, and king of Israel, and could save others then let him save himself, since Jesus died then this means he was a fake according to them! And using your logic this means the Jews are correct and Jesus is a fake, no?

According to Mattew 23:34 the Jews had already killed other prophets, using your horrendous logic, those prophets whom the Jews killed were also all fakes, because I am sure the Jews wouldn’t have killed them if they believed they were true prophets now would they?

Please don't go about saying trash and shying away from question posed at you. Address my post as I have been doing to yours.

plappville:
They think they can deceive everyone. Nice one that contradict the OP.... >:

Rilwayne001:
Wow! So how did you get to know that the sacrifice was to atone for the adamic sin?



So you cant find related verse in the OT and the NT written by the supposed eyewitness of Jesus, All you can provide is a book written by an anonymous author?

Real shìt.




Even if I am to accept these book written by an anonymous author, it still doesn't answer my question.

Why did Yahweh accept the sacrifice of Abel and reject that of Cain? Did he command them to make any sacrifice in the first place?

Can you tell us where Adam (the originator of this alleged sin) is? Heaven or hell?



Where did it say it was for the atonement of the Adamic sin?



Maybe we can learn something from you.

MizJanet:
sacrifice indeed ? The blood of goats , I cant belive this is coming from you , haha ! David made heaven with the blood of sheep and goats ? Hahahahaha



Shut up ! David made heaven without Jesus dying for his sin , Yes Or No ?

Rilwayne001:
Provide the verse where it was said by yahweh that they should make sacrifice to atone their sin.



Atonement for sin? According to which verse in that chapter of Genesis?



Why did Yahweh accept the sacrifice of Abel and reject that of Cain? Did he command them to make any sacrifice before

Can you tell us where Adam (the originator of this alleged sin) is? Heaven or hell?



Lets read the context that chapter: Gen 4:2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel. Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil.
Gen 4:3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD.
Gen 4:4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering,
Gen 4:5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.

* Nowhere in the chapter above was it said that they should sacrifice
* Nowhere was it said that they should atone for one imaginary sin.
* Since he didn't ask them to make sacrifice nor specify on the sacrifice to make then why reject the sacrifice of one ? This further shows the favoritism of the bible god.

MizJanet:


See public disgrace , David make heaven without Jesus !!!
Point 1 : Okay , Inherited Sin is so useless that it couldnt prevent David from making heaven . You prove that right !

Point 2 : Your answer further Make Jesus Death Useless: so David made heaven without Jesus dying for his inherited original sin ?

Rilwayne001:
King David is even good, Abel that was killed by Cain in Genesis—is he in heaven or hell since he also according to Emusan inherited this original sin from Adam?

Rilwayne001:
Please write in English

Rilwayne001:
There is no need arguing with you about whether the Quran is a miracle or not. You don't believe it is a miracle, then good for you.

You see, I don't have time for your stupíd nonsense today. The post I quoted raised the most pertinent points concerning the shenanigans wrote by the OP. Neither you nor the OP was able to refute it.

I believe the Quran is a miracle, yes, a potent miracle that is much more that physical miracle, if you don't believe so, its your cup of tea.

No time for BS with an Illiterate today.



[b] There is no false hope there. Gabriel is not Allah. He doesn't know when one will die, is own is to convey the message of Allah.

Now check this that you copied:

Ibn Sa’d, page 322:
Verily, whenever the apostle of Allah fell ill, he asked for recovery, from Allah [AND HE GETS HEALED] . But in the illness as a result of which he died, he did not pray for recovery; he used to say, “O soul! What has happened to thee that thou are seeking refuge in every place of refuge?”

What else do you want? According to the above, he already knew he was going to die as a result of that particular illness, hence the reason why he didn't bothered to ask God fir recovery.

Now consider the salient points raised by my brother up there

Once the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) was given food mixed with poison to eat. He who ate it first expired, but the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) lived for four years even after taking that food. That food told the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam): There is poison in me.

Consider the following facts that prove Muhammad was true:

(1) The Bible says false prophets can perform miracles (Matt. 24:24), the Prophet Muhammad’s greatest miracle was a Book, the Holy Quran.

(2) John the Baptist performed no miracles (John 10:41), yet he was a true Prophet.

(3) Jesus was poisoned on the cross; he was a true Prophet.

(4) Many true Prophets were killed (Matt. 23:7), but they were still true Prophets.

(5) The Prophets of the Bible are guilty of major sins,.e.g. Inbreeding, fornication, drunkenness, Unclothedness, and they were True Prophets!

(6) There are pre-Islamic predictions of Muhammad
(peace be upon him)

WHAT ELSE DO YOU WWANT [/b]

truthman2012:
Bro. don't mind him, they are only deceiving themselves. In his mind he knows he is lying.

How did the posts Rilwayne01 quote answer the questions?

Why did allahh save Jesus from death and Muhammad allowed to eat poison that killed him?

Why was allahh unable to heal his greatest prophet and allowed him to suffer for as many as four whole years?

Why was Jubril's prayer and the promise that allahh would heal him fail?

One muslim out of his confusion of mind admitted Jesus too was poisoned to death on the cross, confirming the death of Jesus. Rilwayne quoted that same confirmation of Jesus death on the cross as his brother's defence. See desperation and confusion in action.

yazach:
You must have stolen emusan's orange

Rilwayne001:
Calm down moses, simply tell me what your problem is.


[b]

Rilwayne001:
You can't read, can you?

Rilwayne001:
What other defence do you want after all you've gotten from my brothers?

Rilwayne001:
The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

Why that^?

Rilwayne001:
Wow! Are you sure?

Kudducini:
A Good Question Though


Buh Why Didn't Your God Save Jesus On The Cross??

Emusan:
Imaging Paul never met the Blessed Messiah and gave a contradictory account of his conversion and I guess that Muhammad also met the Blessed Messiah or Moses, right? Yet his message contradicted both Jesus and Moses.

-Muhammad's teaching contradict the message of Moses
-Muhammad's teaching contradict the message of Jesus Christ
-Muhammad's teaching contradict the message of the Apostles



I'm so happy for the @bolds especially the last @bold with @underline because it proves again the point you're trying so hard to cover.
Now let's look at it,
When Adam and Eve allowed Satan to TAINTED their PURE NATURE (NOTE: You're the one who used NATURE). Then EVERY HUMAN BEING came from Adam it means THEY ALL will also SHARE in the TAINTED NATURE OF ADAM.
Unless you want to tell us that Allah destroyed THAT TAINTED NATURE and gave Adam another nature. But if it's the same TAINTED NATURE that every human came from my brother you inherited a TAINTED NATURE from Adam.



Then if sin is not a state, will Adam and Eve will have died in PARADISE if they didn't sin?



That's is a pure lie! If Adam had not sinned, he will not be banished out of paradise and death won't have come true or false? Because you can't tell me that Allah has it in mind that Adam will die in the paradise.



I can see figurative indeed. Anyway that's a topic for another day.



It's just a shame that you can open your mouth to spew this broad day lie.
As you said in the @bold part, can you see your life outside?
This is your previous statement: "The Quran repeats the fact that every soul will taste death. [size=14pt]At the point of division everything (everyone plus everything - all the earths and all the heavens) will be destroyed and only God shall remain. Then the Resurrection, and Judgment."[/size]

From here we can deduce that:
1. It's a believe in ISLAM
2. Everything will be destroyed which earth and HEAVENS (Plural) are part of it
3. Only GOD WILL REMAIN (which then take everything back to when ONLY GOD EXISTED before the creation).

In conclusion it means Muhammad and all Muslims will be destroyed by Allah even after they're being faithful not does this only look ridiculous also the Angels that never disobeyed Allah will also be destroyed.

Now you've change your mouth what a shame.



But Allah will destroy everything (AS ONLY ALLAH WILL REMAIN) before he created them back which means EVERYONE will face the same punishment met for Satan before they were restored back to perfect state.



And what I'm here to do is to show you that Islamic premise also support the state of Pauline INSPIRED WORDS that "the wages of Sin is death" since it seems that you people don't fully understand this great revealed word of God.

If death was not the result of sin, will Adam and Eve have died IN THE PARADISE if they haven't sinned?



You got it right to some extent.
1. Death is the soul being separated from the body
2. Death is an everlasting state of no life (which is spiritual separation from God's presence eternally due to sin).

Now for it to be "the wages of sin" is that if God didn't rescue us through His provincial sacrifice when the first Adam LOST THE REAL NATURE by allowed it to be TAINTED by Satan by sending the SECOND ADAM who HAS A NEW NATURE to replace the TAINTED NATURE of the first Adam EVERYONE WILL BE IN THE STATE OF NO LIFE which is the second death.

Now you can appreciate the point the inspired Apostle Paul is bringing out here even according to Islam no doubt that Adam can't go back to paradise with that TAINTED NATURE, that nature must surely be replaced by Allah WHICH IS NOW A GIFT TO ADAM. So by completing Paul's statement "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord Rom 6:23 you can fully respect his inspired word.



Imaging the @bold-was the statement made when Satan went to seduce them or when he didn't bow for Adam



But Allah couldn't deny Iblis statement or explain further why Satan was wrong for accusing him with such wild statement instead Allah addressed another issue just unfortunate now that you're the one speaking for Allah what he supposed to have clarified.



And then Adam and ALL FAITHFUL SLAVES including upright Angels will be destroyed by Allah before recreated them back.



No time you can copy and paste it here...



But before the reward Adam and ALL FAITHFUL SLAVES including upright Angels will be destroyed by Allah before recreated them back according to you.



Thanks and you're very broad in your understanding.



But Adam and Eve will still face the same torment by being DESTROYED before recreated.



Of course Allah can, since he has been doing such but a just God won't destroy A FAITHFUL SERVANTS or ANGELS a Just God will ONLY PUNISH THE WORLD OF SIN.



I'm expecting you to show me how the HADITH debunked the Original Sin, when Musa said categorically that "You are Adam who led people astray and brought them out of the Garden."
In fact this is a clear statement which means even Moses himself believed that HAD IT BEEN THAT ADAM DIDN'T SIN, PEOPLE WON'T BE LED ASTRAY OR KNOW SIN and MISSED THE PARADISE.
To support the original sin theory you agreed that ADAM'S NATURE WAS TAINTED by Satan's action.

Let me ask again, would Adam and Eve will have died in the paradise if they didn't sin?



Satan is the one who caused the fall which means Adam lost his TRUE NATURE and ALL DESCENDANTS OF ADAM SHARED in the same TAINTED NATURE.
Where did you read that Adam is in Hell?



Some Christians even deny the virgin birth of Jesus. What about that?



Kia Kia, see another broad day lie even in your own Quran.
How dare you said "I think you are not aware that Adam and Eve repented only AFTER they came to earth. you're a disgrace to Islam and I see how your fellow brother who couldn't use their brain encomium you. What a shame

Let's see how serious you are by looking at this Surah:
"36. Then the Shaitan (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise), and got them out from that in which they were. We said: "Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time."

37. [size=14pt]Then Adam received from his Lord Words . And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful.[/size]

38. We said: "Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve." Surah 2:36-38

Verse 37 emphatically said that Allah accepts HIS REPENTANCE and verse 38 goes further to say that Adam was cast down to earth.
When you don't even know your Quran, do I need to disturb myself any longer?

Since your Quran proves that Adam had been forgiven in paradise, while did Allah still cast him down to earth? If not because Allah sees something wrong with HIS TAINTED NATURE.



So it's not Allah that created the Dinosaurs but they were made through evolution, that's right!



But wouldn't Allah have told them that NONE of HIS creature deserves BOWING DOWN since some Angels can do so for being like Jinn or among themselves?



Imaging so it means Allah is not a being of his word and can raise a created being to his own position. what a God!



Iblis knew that it's irrational for a God to raise a created being to his own position or allow anyone to take his glory by commanding other to do the art that met for God to another that's why he didn't bow yet Allah still banished him for his total obedient.

That's why you yourself can said that BOWING DOWN was allowed for some people but now it was no longer permitted.

Remember you lied that Angels don't have their own freewill

Keep the lying coming I'm here for you, 3 lies now!

Chizzled06:
So if I write a book about an event and in the book I claim that I saw all that I've written, that'll be enough to convince you?

(By the way, only one canonical Gospel (John) claims to be an eye witness account)

Rilwayne001:
Who is the father of Adam?

MeandSum:
what's the proof?

sportsmaster:
There are many scenarios that look as if they contradict each other in the four Gospels. i.e Mattew,Mark,Luke,John.

Examples,
Jesus Geneaology,Times(some events happened during the day,some at night).

But if we get a deep understanding of the four Gospels.
The four Gospels were written for only these purposes.i.e

"the word was made flesh and dwelt amongst Us,and the events of redemption i.e the death,burial and resurrection of Christ".

Many atheists and unbelievers are quick to tackle us Christians with these contradictions.

How to explain it is simple.

The four Gospels are eye-witnesses accounts, i.e they wrote what they saw or heard.


For example:-
three eyewitnesses at the same event will not give exactly the same account of the what happened. But there will be a lot of similarities in their accounts.

The facts still remain the same that
1)WORD became flesh and dwelt amongst Us.

2)He died,he was buried and the rose again on the third day.

These facts still remain intact.Every other thing is secondary.

Hope we are clear?
We win!
Remain Blessed!.

Cc winner01,malvisguy212,

rabzy01:
You mean they should be compered with these?

Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all old and young, girls and women and little children. Ezekiel 9:5-7

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. ......... There was not a single house where someone had not died. Exodus 12:29-30

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. Isaiah 13:15-18

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. Leviticus 26:21-22

Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. Judges 15:14-15

minifuworld:
i am a muslim and my opinion is that: is either jesus did not said it or he is actually telling a parable but the point i what to make here is that if such a verse is contain in Al-quran christian would never agree that prophet is actually telling a parable.

truthman2012:
Firstly, none of you has been able to say anything on why idol worship is compatible with islam.

Secondly, you cannot prove islamic Allah is the same with Arab Christians' allah because the quran confirms that islamic allahh is not Yahweh the Jews and Christians believe in:

Quran109:
1. Say: O disbelievers! (i.e Jews and Christians)
2. I worship not that which ye worship;
3. Nor worship ye that which I worship.
4. And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

The DISBELIEVERS referred to in verse 1 above are the Jews and Christians who believed not in allahh and islam:

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger.......(Quran 9:29).

The people who had been given the Scriptures are the Jews and Christians and not pagans, who disbelieved in allahh.

So, as you can see the Jews and Christians didn't believe in islamic allahh right from the time of Muhammad because they didn't believe his source of revelations that was inconsistent with what Yahweh had told them thousands of years before Muhammad's birth.

Yahweh said ''He changeth not'' and for Muhammad to bring revelations contrary to His words shows islamic allahh is the Devil who came to deceive humanity.

The fact that muslims worship their allahh in the same way idol worshipers do is a clear indication that allahh is an arabian idol who wanted to be promoted the status of the true God. It is satan's manipulation to drag mankind to hell with him and making them believe they are worshiping God.

For virginity test, it is a matter of common sense, mothers must have deviced a way of doing that. They were unlike Muhammad who was fingerin.g Aisha at the age of six. Disgusting!!

Jadonjack:
Sometyms I wonder what people see in dose silly religion....

Whr in d passage dd paul mention MUSLIMS Dis is exactly how religious fight starts!! Why do yu av 2 say anoda religion dat is also serving a god is wrong wen yu dnt evn av d proof dat ur own god also exists? SMH


You are all walkin in d dark

SamTrust:
From your reply, I found it difficult to comprehend the message you are passing accross, though the bolded areas conjured up the image of what you meant in my mind: HELL FIRE.
Jesus were talking to Jews using their enviromental situations to teach them.
Kindly Re-READ my previous explanation On Gehenna.



King James Version Bible Translation is not consistent in its translation of words. Don't forget that the bible was not written in English Language, rather Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek.
New testament was written in Greek.
So what is the original word? It's "GEHENNA," meaning "Valley Of Hinom..." Kindly Re-read my preceeding explanation concerning Gehenna.

So why on earth would KJV relate it to a fiery hell fire.

Then I think if you had already read about my Gehenna explanation, and think deeply plus prayer, I think you would have grasp the meaning.
Thanks.

Joagbaje:
The wicked will end up in the lake of fire . Do you agree.?