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truthman2012:
Good.

Any immoral acts are possible in islam. It is the Devil's device to make man sin against God, yet making them to believe they are on the right path.

truthman2012:
Hello everyone.

Allah has been caught lying as usual. He said he gave revelations to Ishmael which are nowhere to be found.

Notice that this is not the first time he would lie. Let me here compile the various lies told by al-lliar (allah) the muslims' god:

1. He said he gave Ishmael revelations, which we have discovered it is a lie as such revelations are non-existent.

2. He said people before Muhammad married the wives of their adopted sons, which was a lie he told the Arabians so that Muhammad's disgusting act of marrying Zainab, the wife of Zaid, his adopted son would be acceptable to the people.

3. When Muhammad received revelations from satan (allahh pretending not to be one, pure manipulations), he said Muhammad was not at fault as prophets before him did the same. I have found it was a lie by allahh as no prophets received revelations from satan like Muhammad.

4. He said there is no single contradiction in the quran, whereas there are loads of them.

All these have been put to muslims for defence but none of them could say anything. More are still on the way. I will keep posting quranic lies as soon as I discover them.

I think the fault is not allahh's, it is the fault of the muslims as he has owned up to be a DECEIVER. Why would anybody follow or believe a deceiver? The bible says ''test all spirits whether are of God''.

Rilwon:
Ignoramus clown. You said Isaac is not a prophet, do you still maintain that stance?

Now, before addressing your post, can you please tell me who a prophet is?

Rilwon:
Christian don't see Isaac as a prophet according to you, judaism tho' see him a prophet. Issorite!

malvisguy212:
All prophet came through the line of Abraham and Isaac , both the quran and bible did not mention ishmael in the prophetic race when it matter the most.
If Ishmael rather than Isaac was chosen
or included in the origin of the prophets, why was there only one alleged prophet from the line of Ishmael? Guess who that lone prophet was? Yes, it was Muhammad – a non-Israelite. The rest –Moses, Samuel, Nathan, Elijah, Elisha,Hosea, Amos, Isaiah, Jonah, Joel, Jesus and many others, were all Israelites. All these prophets were descendents of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob just as it is sworn in Surah 29:27. Why did all these prophets come from the line of Isaac, with the exception of Muhammad who descended from Ishmael? Why was Ishmael’s name left out at the most significant moment when the Qur’an revealed the lineage of the prophethood? Did not Allah know that
his greatest prophet would be born
through the lineage of Ishmael?

Rilwon:
Christian don't see Isaac as a prophet according to you, judaism tho' see him a prophet. Issorite!

tartar9:
interestingly those verses perfectly fits most of yoir biblical prophets they are even worse than those description,Isaac himself was guilty of injustice.can you mention any single event about Ishmael's(AS) life to support your Jewish claims.

enieme:
i wonder if ud be willing to provide me those refernces the biblw provided u about them then?

Raymondenyi:
Will like to get thoughts from all and sundry; as some might know, christ was a jew while on earth, and he specifically said, he came for them... and as some may know also, the jews practise judaism; which believe in just the law as written in their holy book "Torah"... Judaism doesn't believe Jesus christ is the messiah ; they believe he came to earth ; but was one of the many claimants of "The Messiah" and he didn't qualify as being the messiah... so up till date, they are still waiting for the messiah to come; and believe in their book "Torah" (can be loosely said to be just the Old testament)...

My question, why don't christ own people believe he is the Messiah, why don't they believe in christ? Despite christ saying while on earth he came for just the jews

johnydon22:


Hahahahaha i just irked some nerve... Oopps... here




Just take all the time you need kind sir....

johnydon22:
Now i will like you to think about the bolded, take all the time you need..

mcfynest:
Hi guys, it's another Sunday and we pray it goes well and God's name be exalted through Jesus Christ our Lord.

the question I have here and want us to discuss is this:

How did Jesus feed over 5000 people with only 5 loaves of bread and two fishes Matthew 14:13-21?

did it actually happened or was it allegorical? It was written that "As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a remote place, and it’s already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food.”

If it actually happened, where the disciples breaking each bread and it turned to many or what Raymond Brown, a well-known and highly esteemed Catholic scripture scholar was once asked this very question. He responded “I find no reason to dismiss the miraculous from the ministry of Jesus. Indeed, one of the oldest memories of him may have been that he did wondrous things — a memory that could have circulated not only among believers but among nonbelievers.” He goes on to explain that the miracle of the multiplication of the loaves was narrated in all four gospels suggesting, “Obviously the evidence for that miracle is of an earlier date.” This does not mean that miracles related only one time were “invented,” but that it “does allow greater possibility that this miracle story flowed from a later understanding about Jesus.”


if allegorical as the case may be, the bread will signify the word of God, what about the fish, what foes that signify? And what does this verse also signify they all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over

this question has been a debate among theologians and Christians in general.

I am asking this question as a discussion and not as an argument. The bible said

It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out.

Happy Sunday Guys

sukkot

malvisguy212:
the scripture make it clear that no one know the day or the hour of christ return.but the bible dos say that we can know the time and season surrounding his coming,you may be thinking the usual saying like... So because disease and immorality are running rampant and because there are wars and rumors of war and we have had some few earthquake that jesus is coming soon ? Yeah we've heard all that before. But after studying the bible I discover somting interesting about the end of days. Pleas read.


my theory about the end of days started when I read a verse in isaiah 46. It say that God declare the end from the beginning. A similar verse was in isaiah48. This lead me to the creation story in the book of genesis. As I study the first chapter, I began to wonder, WHY IT TOOK GOD SIX DAYS TO CREATE THIS WORLD AND REST ON THE SEVENTH DAY,WHY WOULD HE TAKE SIX DAYS WHEN HE COULD HAVE CREATED THE WORLD IN ONE SECOND, IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE?I started studying the word"day" and days" I discover some interesting passages that related to this. Maby God is indicating to us how much time man would have on earth. this is the point, the bible especially the old testament is full of foreshadowing. An event that actually happen in history, also picture somting coming in the future. An example is the sacrifice of abraham and isaac, that even actually happen,and it was also a picture of what God will do to his son jesus on the cross as an offering for the sin of the world. Now why will God take SIX days to create the world? Is this a picture of somting we need to know? I think it is. In 2peter 3:8, the context was reffering to the second coming of jesus christ,the bible say that a one day with they Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand year is like a day. Psalm 90. A thousand year in God sight is like yesterday.so could it be that the six days of creation were you indicate to us the time man will spend on this earth would be about six thousand years?...the seventh day of rest picturing the thousand years millennia reign, when christ come back to set up is kingdom, the time of righteousness and peace.bible scholar have calculate from the first man adam to the first coming of christ to be 4000years,if that is the case then we are could have been living at the end of what the new testament called THE LAST DAYS. now this is the issue. God deal with time in the bible, when God measure time He dose so by seven.....
1.God created the world in seven days, with the seven day being for REST.
2according to the old testament law,the jew were commanded to REST every SEVEN days.
3.the seventh week after the passover, they celebrated a big feast of REST.
4.the seventh month of were perhaps the most important when they celebrated three of there biggest feast of REST.
5.every seventh year was the year of REST for the land.
6.every 49years ,seven times seven, they celebrated the year of jubilee, which is a year of REST for the land and liberty for the people. so it made perfect sense to me that God would set up a seven thousand year period for man to occupy the earth, with the last thousand year being a time of REST when jesus come back to set up his earthly kingdom, as spoken in revelation20.I was right when I say God deal with time he dos so by seven.the second coming of christ is the most important day in God's calendar , he want us yo know the timing .

Hosea was a prophet in the old testament, in verse 6 of that book , hosea talk about isreal, God chosen nation, who was always rejecting God.the nation was goin to be torn apart, but verse two say" after two days will he revive us , the third day he will raise us up and the we shall live in his sight"what dos this mean? When jesus come isreal reject him as there messiah , so God scatter the nation of isreal all over the world. For 1900 years there is no nation of isreal but God say after two days[ or 2000yrs] I will revive thee, and you, isreal will live in my sight: the scatter isreal became a nation in the year 1948.this is important because God is reviving the nation of isreal and they are about to live in his sight when jesus come back to set up his earthly kingdom , have you ever meet a cannanite ? How about the amorite? No because these are isreal enemies and God did not preserve them, the jew have been preserve because they are God chosen people and he must fulfill and keep his promise he made to them but the jew are still rejecting christ, for how long?after two days [or 2000years] I will revive thee and the third day you shall live in my sight.

The second coming event are about to begin, I see the same foreshadowing in exodus 19:11. God told isreal to clean up and wait for two days, the third day I'm comin down in the sight of they nation. In john 11. Lazarus died a jew, jesus waited for two days before he raise him from death, this is a picture of how God is about to turn his back from isreal for the next two thousand years [or two days] and start reach out for the rest of the world through the new testament church which he did. God dint just throw this stuff in the bible to wast space ,maby am right , maby God is tryin to tell us somtin.in matthew17:1 say that jesus tool peter, james and john up to the mountain, apart from the rest, did the thing we want to know happen up there? Yes.jesus transfigured before them and the are giving a preview of his second coming glory, now the first word of the verse was "after six days" why did God throw this in? To was space? Or is God tryin to tell us somtin that we need to know?note:the time from adam to jesus is 4,000years[4days] the time of the church period is two thousand years[2days] so could this mean after 6000yrs [6days] God will revive isreal and fulfill his promise he made to them? Hmmm am I reading to much . If am right, BROTHERS WE ARE LIVING IN THE END OF DAYS. REPENT. THANK YOU.

malvisguy212:
Evangelism thread deserve to be on the homepage moderators. Seun, Ishilove, Lalasticlala.

malvisguy212:
Our desperate need is not for clever arguments but for a powerful encounter with the living God (1 Corinthians 4:20).
And we need not more dramatic signs from heaven, but to act on what we already know. The door to spiritual understanding is not human explanation,but supernatural revelation it swings not on mind games but on a willingness to surrender our stubborn will to One who knows better than us (John 7:17; 2 Corinthians 3:14-16; 4:3-4; 1 Corinthians 2:4-16;.

Draw near to God and he will draw near to you, promises the Bible (James 4:. Until we respond to the light we already
have, God is unlikely to squander further enlightenment upon us. With
insincere excuses we might even fool ourselves, but not the One who knows everything. We don't decide how much
evidence we need: God does.Neither do we have the final say as to when God will lose patience with us.

johnydon22:
Aaaaw this is so touchy, i could give you a hug now. . .Oga you are simply derailing this thread. .This thread was about Abraham not your life's story.

What's my business with your life's story, you don't know mine neither am i going to tell you, so can we please focus on the topic of this thread and not life stories? [/b[
[b]Then start acting like it. . . For someone who claim to have a little background in science to dub scientists Satan(Myth) manipulated is plain absurd and is really shameful, don't you check your posts before posting them?...

malvisguy212:
Happy Sunday.

macof:
Scholar8200

David0:
What ur saying now is totally out of point. We r talking about d ram bn offered as sacrifice here and not about preaching to Muslims to accept Christ.

Pls read d op's question again then u ll understand my comment.

johnydon22:
[b]Please am on my knees, stop doing yourself this in public am begging you..

1st i am not an evolutionist because am sure that's what you are referring to.(In your desperation to pull out a defence, you had to assume i was an evolutionist, Hhmm bad luck bob )

2nd you have no idea what is an ape, if swearing works i could swear on that.

3rd You don't even know what evolution is, i can bet on that.

4th you think scientists are being manipulated by your satan, it is obvious you need Mental evaluation..

5th you have no idea what science is at all...

Go back to school or stop reading apologetic articles and start reading books that can actually help you..

Congrats you just ended up disgracing yourself as usual, you know sometimes i can't help but be wowed that someone can be this dumb... This is very sad!!! really sad!!

Hahn you see why we really need to help these people, you see the dangerous effects of religious beliefs because am seeing it here.
Someone with a brain thinks Science is Satan's (Myth) manipulation and he is also using a phone.

Why exactly has religion turned Nigerians into complete imbecile_s. . Plaetton was so right today, beliefs are retarding. . Just take a look at a being that is supposed to be from the 21st century..[/b]

johnydon22:
Abraham/Ibrahim a man who was ready to murder his son because some
voices in his head told him to.

Anyone who think it is right to revere such individuals who exhibit such
barbaric tendencies must be blatantly idiotic.

In the world today nobody will revere such persons who will almost kill their
Child because God said they should.

No in the world today that person would have been in prison for attempted
murder and psychiatric hospital for mental evaluation.

And the little child taken to a better place to recover from the shock and
trauma such disturbing event must have caused.…

But Alas an ancient books praised a man who exhibited such lunacy and
people created religions around him.... Many ways religion turns 21st century
being into complete simpletons

None of you deserve to criticize each other because apparently you all equally revere and celebrate a man who had the stomach to almost murder his Child...The man was really sick....

truthman2012:
Thanks for the OP.

Why would Allah deceive humanity by substituting another man for Jesus if he is God?

Was he afraid of the Jews making him to provide the substitute?

Had he no power to take him away without substitution?

Yahweh the true God would not deceive any human, in fact He hates deception. Unlike allah who claims he's the worst deceiver. That shows Quran is complete deception because it is the words of a deceiver.

David0:
My message is clear, I am a Christian. I don't believe in offering animals as sacrifice.
If d Muslims believe in offering ram for sacrifice, it's their business, who dey offer it to, is also their business. They see d ram as a sacrifice, I see it like fried meat. They give me, I eat, I drink water I move on.

I don't need to ask who u sacrifice to, cos as a Christian, it means nothing to me.

David0:
My message is clear, I am a Christian. I don't believe in offering animals as sacrifice.
If d Muslims believe in offering ram for sacrifice, it's their business, who dey offer it to, is also their business. They see d ram as a sacrifice, I see it like fried meat. They give me, I eat, I drink water I move on.

I don't need to ask who u sacrifice to, cos as a Christian, it means nothing to me.

phatriqk:
am a Christian dude, but I don't support criticism of soda peoples faith ok

Teempakguy:
so . . . do you then agree with me that God does not love us? But instead is in league with the devil to conduct an experiment on the behavior of sentient species?

Do you also agree with me that God is then not omniscient? Because if he was, he wouldn't need to conduct an elaborate experiment to find out what will happen.

Do you also agree that the events which occurred in eden were also orchestrated by God to kick start this whole mega test?

Do you also agree that God is loosing? If you observe, contrary to your post, only a very tiny fraction of the human populace is going to heaven. Why is God allowing that to happen? Seriously, only a tiny evidence is needed to turn the whole of humanity to his side. Why is he standing there, doing nothing?

Do you also agree that god is being rather unfair? Providing proof to the ancients, and now, nothing? Does he want the lot of us to go to hell?


I need five yeses or all you said above is. . . . kind of pointless . . .

Teempakguy:
don't give me that rubbish.

If he really intended to keep it that way, he would have imprisoned Satan, instead of letting him loose on this world.
Are you guys not the one that blame Satan for every evil you commit? Then why can't God just cancel Satan out of the equation, instead of allowing him to run free and then blame us for his actions? or is he afraid of the guy?
Why take it out on us?

If God really existed and cared about us, and was a good God, the devil wouldn't be running around right now.

About the boss issue. Well, we know the boss is real. But we can't verify that God is real or not. If that doesn't suck, I don't know what does.

Teempakguy:
I've been waiting for you to ask this question. So I can show you. As logically as possible, how incredibly difficult it is for any rational mind to believe in the existence of God.

look below.

This is the expanded pascal's wager. Telling you what exactly is going to happen to you if you serve the wrong God.

[img]http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-526f1e8ca1a85c5288dfab89fdf78e41?convert_to_webp=true[/img]

Now, all these Gods have equal evidence to substantiate their authencity. Miracles, messengers, creation stories, and other myth. We see that both Allah, God, Sango, Zeus, and a host of others, have all been said to perform miracles, speak to humans, and be involved in the overseeing of other gods. If we held a test to test their "originality" they would score the same.

So . . . which one is the real one?

Is it God, allah . . . who . . . okay, let's assume it's Allah.

Well, that means that 45% of Nigeria, the whole of Rome, the majority of Asia, every human before the 5th century, and YOU, are going to go to hell.

But then, you say Allah is fake, that he's a fabrication. So, prove it then.

You can't. Any evidence you bring up will immediately countered by any devout Muslim. So, we're back to square one.

So, let's assume God(Christian version) is the real one. Oh well. The whole of Saudi Arabia, 55% or more of Nigeria, the majority of asia, and everyone before 30AD will also go to hell.

Of course, any Muslim will quickly prove that this God is fake. Essentially saving the life/eternity of every Muslim and putting the lives/eternity of every other person in danger.

So, each time you prove that your God is truth, you are also saying that billions of people are going to burn in hell forever. Because they didn't believe in your God.

Whereas, all of your proof, comes from the bible. AND THAT, is a very big problem.

I can prove that Hades exists by quoting the Iliad. I can prove that Anubis exists by quoting ancient Egyptian writing.

Consider this, the story behind the sallah celebration is that of Abraham trying sacrifice his son on God's order . . . his son, ishmael . . . according to Quran, I believe, but the bible claims this was instead Isaac . . . so, which do we believe?

The Bible is a singular source. It's authenticity must be verified with outside evidence, whatever you see in your physics textbooks, or your chemistry ones, need not be proved by quoting the textbooks, but by conducting the required experiment.

Why can't we conduct an experiment to prove what is in the bible? Should we just believe the creation story? Who was there when God said, let there be light? So, how did it get in the bible? Meanwhile, I prefer the creation story from Greek mythology.

Anyone can write a book. How do we prove the book is right? We need something outside the book to prove it. So . . . where is our proof?


There are only two solutions to the above convoluted dilemma.

1. A proof is provided.
2. God does not exist and religion is a manmade creation.

2. Is the most likely, the majority of evidence point towards this. God is a gap used by ancient civilizations to explain away things they could not observe, in order to prevent death by curiosity.
Note that the bible makes no mentions of the Chinese culture and the west African/south African cultures. It behaves as if only the land around the Mediterranean was what God created.



I will stop here. You are free to give me evidence. Proof that makes God(Christian version) the true and only one. And I will frigging believe. Otherwise, I might just start considering Islam . . .

Fabrepass:
you are already deluded.enlighten your self through this thread....
https://www.nairaland.com/2623336/jesus-christ-white-mans-419

johnydon22:


Because the Bible and the Quran are there in plain black and white paper, we are not as deluded as you to think you need a spirit in order to see what a book wrote.

The Bible says "Kill non-virgin brides" No matter the amount of holy spirit you think you have the words in the Deut 22: 13-21 or other parts of the bible can never change to mean what you are begging it to mean..

Unless of course you and your holy spirit are drunk. . .

When we read "Obi is a boy" it simply means that Obi is a boy.

Whether you and your holy spirit thinks it means "Obi is a girl" stems from your delusion of interpretation by emotion tagged spirit. . Any holy spirit that interpreted the bible into 41,000 distinct sects is either drunk, confused or is just mean interpreting a text to coincide with their own ideas and heap it on an imaginary spirit

johnydon22:
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Of course Hell is completely 100% Imaginary and such barbaric ideas can only be attributed to a monstrous and vile creature.