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Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 12:47am On Jun 25, 2015

Confirmer:
The bolded words is just trying to let you see that Jesus wasn't begotten by God.

do you want to know who Jesus really is ? Read here. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%201:15-23

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 12:44am On Jun 25, 2015

bashbabe2:
Exactly a gift maybe check what the meaning of a gift is. But where does it say in those verses because you are trying to give the verse another meaning.it's clearly not there just according to you. Continue twisting the verse
You yourself know Adam is one of a kind, no other Prophets is similar to him not even Jesus
He's own creation is far superior so he should have a better chance to be called what you call Jesus

adam was the first man, that's how it soppose to be. As a matter of fact, the quran indicate Adam sinned but say Jesus is sinless. How can a mortal walk the earth without committing a single sin? Doesn't this proved He is greater than All?

A gift, and Mary was only the collector, then Who was the father of Jesus? In what culture is a man adress by his mother name? If you don't know the father of Jesus, you do not NO the true God. Good night.

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 12:39am On Jun 25, 2015

bashbabe2:
Note the highlighted the Verse says:

“[b]Had Allah willed [/b]to take an offspring [for Himself], [b]He could have chosen [/b]whom He willed out of those whom He created. But Glory is to Him! [He is above such things]. He is Allah, the One, the All-Subjugator.”

At any rate, the blessed Verse is saying that having offspring is either for assistance or for spiritual intimacy. Even reflection upon such impossible supposition does not necessitate having offspring since He could select one among His noble creatures, rather than an offspring, in order to attain to such a goal.
This is just English, Had Allah willed He could have. Meaning Allah did not end of story.

Nonetheless, He is One God Who is the eternal All-Subjugator of all things, Needless of the assistance of any entity. He is neither perturbed by anything hence His Needlessness for intimacy with anyone or anything, nor is he in need of progeny.

Consequently,

“Glory is to Him!”
He is above having real or adopted children.

The Qur’an asks a question in Surah 6:101:
“How can He have a son when He
hath no consort?”

Observe carefully how the carnal and
physical traits of humans are attributed
to God in this verse. No consideration
whatsoever is given for the divine infinite nature of God. Just because men on earth cannot have sons unless they
cohabit with their wives, so the Qur’an
blasphemously concludes that God, too,
cannot have a son unless he cohabits
with a wife.

God Almighty was able to create the vast universe and every living being in it out of nothing, he is unable to produce a son for himself without a wife. If God could actually cause Mary to produce a son without a husband, why would it be impossible for him to similarly produce a son without a wife? And with the quranic verse you quote, does this not mean "Allah ask a question" but later answer himself? He cannot have a son without a consort.

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 12:27am On Jun 25, 2015

Confirmer:
If not having a father qualifies Jesus to be a son of God the Melchizedek shall be God of God. Since he has neither a father nor mother and not even a genealogy according to your bible.

who is Melchizedek? Is he God? Provide scriptural proof.

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 12:20am On Jun 25, 2015

Confirmer:
So Jesus isn't Melchizedek and your inference is baseless. Melchizedek is greater than Jesus according to your bible.

the bible say melchizedek is a priest of God but say Jesus is the son of God and it say, He is the image of the invicinble God, who is greater?

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 12:16am On Jun 25, 2015

bashbabe2:
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Lend yourself a bit of brain,you are trying to interpret the quran and twist it to suit yourself.
You are claiming why did God create Jesus in such manner . Then ask why God created Adam. At least He was created from nothing,no father or mother. Maybe you need to start worshiping Adam too. Allah when He decides to do something He simply say be and it is.
The creation of the whole universe and heaven and earth, everything within it, is by Allah alone. Tell me if Allah can do that what would creating Jesus(as) in such a manner be such a biggy.and creation of Adam was superior. then Adam qualifies for such not Jesus, but subhanallah Allah doesn't begot a son and nothing is equal or comparable to HIM.

There is no where that state Jesus is the son of God in those verses. Continue to deceive yourself and your likes

Adam was created without the agency of
a human father or mother because, as
the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents.Such an act of
creation was necessary at the beginning
of the world of mankind. Someone had to be created first. But in the case of Jesus, he was born without a human father when God’s natural process of
procreation had long been in existence.
Here we see God interrupting the course of nature,and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself
established, in order that Christ might
thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely
such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special relationship with the One who was the architect of this miraculous conception – a relationship that is shared by no other prophet. The birth of no other prophet has been anything as remotely close as the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ.

Both the Qur’an and the Bible tell us very clearly that Jesus had no human father. We must therefore ask ourselves this vital question, “Since Jesus is addressed as a ‘son’ by the angel Gabriel both in the Qur’an (Surah 19:19) and in the Bible (Luke 1:35), whose son is he?” Is it Mary’s? In Surah 19:19, the angel Gabriel said to Mary: “I am only a
messenger of thy Lord, to announce to
thee the GIFT of a holy son .” Here, Gabriel refers to a son who was to be
given as a “gift” by God to Mary. Since
the Qur’an makes it very clear that the
son is a gift from God, it shows that Mary was only the recipient of that gift. She is not the source of that gift but God. The gift belongs to God. The gift was a son. Therefore, the son belongs to God which means the son was His or His
son. In other words, God’s son. This
testifies to the Gospel truth that Jesus is
the Son of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 12:09am On Jun 25, 2015

Confirmer:
The words in bold shows he met Abraham.

Now the words in bold shows Jesus wasn't referring to melachia except and unless Abraham met with "Jesus" before the world began

he was a priest of God and did I conclude Melchizedek is Jesus christ? He meet Abraham yes, soo?

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 12:03am On Jun 25, 2015

[quote author=guru1234 post=35121839][/quote]wikipedia? Wiki is not a reliable source. Open your thread ask your questions and invite me. I will answer you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 11:59pm On Jun 24, 2015

guru1234:
VERIFY FOR URSEF AND DONT BE TOO DEFENSIVE OTHERWISE U WONT SEE THE TRUTH UR SEARCHING FOR.

you want me to verify the geanology of Jesus or what? I tell you the truth, if you know who you are chatting with, you will not ask me to do such. Good night.

Islam › Re: From A Model To Islam - Joy From Delta State Convert To Islam by malvisguy212: 11:51pm On Jun 24, 2015

MKO4ever:
I am happy that you accepted that there is only one God almighty. I am sure that very soon you will realize that Islam is the true religion
it is only a matter of time for you to know that bible is a scam, and the biggest scammer in the bible Paul.
And funny that Paul never even met face to face with Jesus christ, talkless of being one of his disciples. Yet so much noise about him in the bible.
Ask yourself why was gospel of Barnabas not part of the chapters in the bible?
Please come to Islam before its too late

no need to say much, read here
https://www.nairaland.com/1981918/did-paul-invent-christianity

And Paul encounter Jesus.

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 11:48pm On Jun 24, 2015

Confirmer:
So Melchizedek met with Abraham before the "world began"(according to the previous verse quoted where he blessed Abraham). Bible in its self is self contradictory.

what are you saying here?

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 11:46pm On Jun 24, 2015

guru1234:
He cannot be jesus christ because he has no geneology and jesus do have geneology...even the bible listed his geneology in two narrations even though they are quite contradicting.....PEACE OUT

did I conclude, he is Jesus ? The claims made by Jesus alone is more than enough to proved He is God . And the geanology of Jesus is not contradicting, matthew trace his legal line and Luke trace his biological line. Shallom.

Islam › Re: From A Model To Islam - Joy From Delta State Convert To Islam by malvisguy212: 11:42pm On Jun 24, 2015

khattab02:
lol.... This guy sounds funny. proclaiming the shahada is a thing all muslims say every day and it is bearing witness and calling Allah to bear witness too. That is what makes a muslim being a muslim, this is the Islamic creed . I will explain the parts later. And it not a thing of secret cult, that only exist in your brain.

How did Muhammad sallallahu Alayhi wa salam discourage asking questions? I don't get that part?

Surah 5:101-102: “O ye who believe!
Ask not questions about things
which if made plain to you, may
cause you trouble …Some people
before you did ask such questions,
and on that account lost their
faith.” (Yusuf Ali)

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3,
Number 92:
Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet was
asked about things which he did not
like, but when the questioners
insisted, the Prophet got angry.

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 11:36pm On Jun 24, 2015

Confirmer:
It's not about being God but about his miraculous existence far outweighs that of Jesus according to your bible.

bible say he is a priest of God. And on the other hand, bible say Jesus shere the glory with God BEFORE time began;

John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your
presence with the glory I had with you
before the world began.

No prophet ever made this claim.

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 11:31pm On Jun 24, 2015

Confirmer:
God bless you for this. The op is only copying and pasting. Get a Quran and read.

if you know who the op is, you will not say this.

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 11:26pm On Jun 24, 2015

guru1234:
THE BIBLE IS CLEAR ABOUT THE FACT HE HAS NO BEGINING NO GENEOLOGY AND NO END OF DAYZ....I BELIEVE THAT IS SELF EXPLANATORY.....JUST WITH UR RATIONALE HE HIS A GREATER god THAN JESUS

he has no beginning and no genealogy,let us review the book of genesis again:
"And Melchizedek king of Salem
brought out bread and wine; HE WAS A PRIEST OF GOD Most High. And he
[Melchizedek] blessed him [Abraham]
and said, 'Blessed be Abram by God
Most High, maker of heaven and
earth; and blessed be God Most High,
who has delivered your enemies into
your hand!' And Abram gave him
[Melchizedek] a tenth of everything"
that is, a tithe of all, for a tithe means
a tenth (Genesis 14:18-20, RSV).

You see, he was a priest and king of Salem also known as "Jerusalem" means he was not God, many bible interpretation belief he was Jesus christ.
Are you a muslim? What do you say about the op?

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 11:10pm On Jun 24, 2015

guru1234:
WHAT ABOUT KING MECHISEDEK?....HE HAS NO BEGINING, NO GENEOLOGY, NO END OF DAYZ, SO ACCORDING TO UR ARGUMENT IS HE GREATER THAN JESUS?

the bible never give much details about him.

Islam › Re: From A Model To Islam - Joy From Delta State Convert To Islam by malvisguy212: 10:59pm On Jun 24, 2015

khattab02:
hmmm.... Mr man you are so wrong! When you clicked were you forced to accept?? Were you not questioned? Common man, it is no a secret cult. Whether you accept or not as long as it doesn't comes from your heart, mouth or willingness, it non and void before all of us and even before Allah.

it's not a secret cult then what are they hiding? Why did muhammed discourage you to ask questions? How is asking a questions amount to someone abandoned his religion? Only the Islamic section this term apply, even the main religion section don't do this.

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Islam › Re: From A Model To Islam - Joy From Delta State Convert To Islam by malvisguy212: 10:54pm On Jun 24, 2015

Ridhwan1:
Conversation Between Pastors and a Child
Catholic Pastor: In Jesus Name.
Child: in the Name of who created Jesus and other things.
Pastor: hmm, Why did you say that?
Child: let's me ask you these questions, if you could answer them correctly, I
shall abide by your doctrine.
Pastor: I am all Hear.
Child: Why do we call Jesus the son of God?
Pastor: it is because, he didn't have a father .
Child: What of Adam that has neither father nor mother or Eve that did not have
mother
Pastor: hmm !
Child: why some people call him God ?
Pastor: This is because He is Alpha and omega; the controller of everything.
Child: Did Jesus die and resurrect?
Pastor: yes, died for three days and resurrect.
Child: Who was administering day and nights, moons and sun, animals and plants,
living and non livings within the two days of his departure?
Pastor: hmmmm !
Child: Do you think as mighty as God is , can He creates what He can't control ??
Pastors: Noo Child : Why did Death kill Jesus or why is he pleading to someone
else to rescue him.
Pastor: Metaphysics !
Child: it seems you don't have anything to offer me , I will rather follow Allah
who created everything including Jesus,Adam,Eve etc, who can never die because
He created death. I will rather follow the invincible and Invisible God of
everything !!!
O God of the world ! I am ready to abide by You, no matter how some people
staging terrorist such Boko harram, Isis, Al-Qaeda to destroy Muslims and to
tarnish the image of Islam,I shall remain Your believer. Please, shower your
abundant pleasing on Prophets Muhammad, Issa -jesus , Musa, Ibrahim ,and a host
of others. Please ,forgive my sins and shower Your blessings on me! And all
Muslims of the world. RAMADAN MUBARAK..

if you are ready for debate, meet me here https://www.nairaland.com/2156788/conclusive-evidence-quran-proof-jesus
OR
https://www.nairaland.com/2121425/allahs-invalidate-own-revelation

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Islam › Re: From A Model To Islam - Joy From Delta State Convert To Islam by malvisguy212: 10:47pm On Jun 24, 2015

[quote author=JJCE post=35120019][/quote]you don't know what you are saying spiritually.

Christianity Etc › Re: Universal Atonement.did Jesus Died For All Men Or Only For The Believers? by malvisguy212(op): 10:42pm On Jun 24, 2015

An2elect2:
So Jesus didn't die for the sin of unbelief/rejection of Him?

1 Timothy 4:10, "For therefore we
both labour and suffer reproach,
because we trust in the living
God, who is the Saviour of all
men, specially of those that
believe."

You see, salvation is conditional. Christ died for all men, but not all believe and accept His gift of salvation. Therefore, this answers the dilemma of how Christ died for all men and for his people at the same time! Yes, he died for all men, and salvation is a gift offered to all men,
but only those who choose Christ will have salvation.

Christianity Etc › Re: Two Question. by malvisguy212(op): 10:34pm On Jun 24, 2015

malvisguy212:
Muhammad by his own actions has left a giant “question mark” on his character
because of which he will never ever be
accepted as a holy prophet by sane,
educated, people, brave enough to call
dirty what is dirty.

Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 10:32pm On Jun 24, 2015

malvisguy212:
Satan used Muhammad as a pawn and Islam as a tool to attack the people of God. As Muhammad grew in power, he used violence to subdue those that disagreed with him. He denied the Sonship of Jesus,making him an anti-Christ, and denied other key doctrines of Christianity. Muhammad eventually urged his followers to oppress Christians and instituted laws that deny people basic human rights. Today in Muslim countries, Christians are victimized by those laws. Many of
them have murdered, executed, and or
oppressed for their faith. If a Muslim
converts to Christianity, he is under a
death sentence for apostatizing. In his
last few hours of life, Muhammad
asked Allah to curse the Christians.
Real Islam is a weapon Satan uses to
make war upon God and His people.

Islam › Re: From A Model To Islam - Joy From Delta State Convert To Islam by malvisguy212: 10:09pm On Jun 24, 2015

ebamma:
So
Must I accept Islam first before una gree me comment?

it is only a secret cult that will force people to convert. View my profile, I had to accept there term just to bring the gospel to the muslims as Paul say "to the Jews I became like them"

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Islam › Re: From A Model To Islam - Joy From Delta State Convert To Islam by malvisguy212: 10:03pm On Jun 24, 2015

DravenCreighton:
6:10
Yusuf Ali
Mocked were (many) messengers before thee; but their scoffers were hemmed in by the thing that they mocked.

muhammed is the only messenger of Allah, he was a self proclaimed prophet. Who was the witness of muhammed calling ? Who confirmed it? the Qur’an comes from one source alone, the man to which it was supposedly revealed, Muhammad. Yet there are no external witnesses both before or at the time who can corroborate Muhammad’s testimony.
Not even miracles are provided to
substantiate his claims, nor are there any known documents of such a Qur’an from the century in which it is claimed to have been revealed.

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Islam › Re: From A Model To Islam - Joy From Delta State Convert To Islam by malvisguy212: 8:42pm On Jun 24, 2015*

Who preach to her? It is the lust of the flesh that are attracting people to Islam, the other day I read how people are converting to islam and joined the isis just to have pleasure(se'x) read the quran and bible, which book give more knowledge to the teaching of Jesus? Like I say on the other thread and I quote :

"Muhammad by his own actions has left a giant “question mark” on his character because of which he will never ever be accepted as a holy prophet by sane,educated, people, brave enough to call dirty what is dirty."

If the lady is really searching for truth, she should've read the quran and hadith very well before making a decision,

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Help, I Don't Want To Be An Atheist!!!! by malvisguy212: 5:04pm On Jun 24, 2015

This is my last post for now.

Another reason for rejecting God (choosing atheism), is a willing
acceptance of satanic deception.

The angel Lucifer fell and became Satan (“adversary”) due to his desire to supplant God. This was Lucifer’s single-minded obsession. He not only rejected God by attempting to supplant Him, but he urged humans to do likewise. Satan urged Eve to choose against God for her own self-fulfilment:

He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:1-5 ESV).

The tactic is clear: firstly, question God’s
statements, then, contradict God’s
statements and, finally, urge rebellion in seeking equality with God.

This manifests in atheists as
1. Questioning whether there is a God to
make statements in the first place, so
God did not say anything.
2. Contradicting the statements said to
have been spoken by God.
3. Seeking equality with God by replacing God with the self.

This satanic deception appeals strongly
to atheists as it bolsters two of their
desired delusions: 1) absolute autonomy; being free to do as they please, and 2) the lack of ultimate accountability; there are no eternal consequences for doing as they please.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Help, I Don't Want To Be An Atheist!!!! by malvisguy212: 4:57pm On Jun 24, 2015

johnydon22:
Lol. . How could there be freewill when he already know what i would choose and cannot be wrong. . If you say he doesn't know what i would do then he is not omniscient, if he is omniscient then how could they be freewill..

Again how did perfect satan turn imperfect and then influence perfect man to turn imperfect too . . . You see its a chain of imperfection of which all came out from one source!!

if God already chose you to fall, then why did he say why beware? (1 Peter 5: cool

.

How does God decide who will be His
children? The scripture says,
"...through Jesus Christ;" "...through His blood;" and, "...according to the riches of His grace." The focus of being "predestined" is more on "through Jesus Christ" than it is on us as individuals. It was God's eternal plan that Christ would give His life so that He could have children. Christ coming and dying was predestined. Therefore, our acceptance of that and our ultimate salvation in Him is also predestined (the culmination of God's eternal plan).

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Help, I Don't Want To Be An Atheist!!!! by malvisguy212: 4:50pm On Jun 24, 2015

DrLazDevitan:
This is not a matter of satan.Your lack of comprehension of what freewill is makes this place a mess site.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Help, I Don't Want To Be An Atheist!!!! by malvisguy212: 4:49pm On Jun 24, 2015

GooseBaba:
All hail the great satan... The biblical fall guy..

it's your choice.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Help, I Don't Want To Be An Atheist!!!! by malvisguy212: 4:48pm On Jun 24, 2015

johnydon22:
Great, that man was able to corrupt his own way shows that man had the ability to corrupt and this is imperfect.

So how did perfect man have the ability to corrupt (imperfection)?

very Good, you live God out of this.

Alright, you reject God, were did it start? By your own idea that God does not exist? As long as you cannot disprove his existence, it mean you reject God by your own invention.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Help, I Don't Want To Be An Atheist!!!! by malvisguy212: 4:43pm On Jun 24, 2015

DrLazDevitan:
Free is man's own pride.Freewill has been inviolable,inalienable,transhistorical,immutable,non-transmutable,non-inheritable and does not has a owner or giver of it.

You can't make a car and fuel that car to drive itself at its own speed.Freewill is not like that.Freewill does not pre-occupy itself with any divine demiurge.Freewill is beyond or transcend ethical judgement.

yes, you are right, satan is involved.

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